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God's Apples
Genos Occidere
Warlords of the Deep
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Posted - 2015.04.30 03:02:24 -
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Hello friends.
I have acquired a new found fondness for the RHML weapon system. However, I noticed that the raven's range bonus and typhoon's application bonuses apply to other large missile systems, but not RHMLs. For comparison, the Barghest gets both its damage and range bonus applied to RHMLs. Why should t1 BS be left out?
Applying the bonuses to RHMLs on the phoon and raven will increase battleship class diversity and will not ruin any ship meta currently in place. Please discuss.
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Madd Adda
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Posted - 2015.04.30 04:11:26 -
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Quote:Why should t1 BS be left out?
because they aren't faction ships
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Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
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Posted - 2015.04.30 05:39:59 -
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Madd Adda wrote:Quote:Why should t1 BS be left out? because they aren't faction ships
I'm not sure that's a valid answer.... because the cerb gets bonuses to RLML's..... and I'm not sure if the ortrus/garmur does.....
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2015.04.30 06:17:30 -
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Application bonuses specifically weren't applied to RHML systems, and I believe you'll see the same with RLML systems.
The Barghest is not applying a skill bonus but a general role effect which actually has no effect on overall range of the weapons.
200%*50%=100%.
So, Damage & ROF bonuses apply to 'undersized' weapons.
Explosion velocity and explosion radius bonuses do not.
Now missile range/velocity bonuses probably should apply as Cruisers such as the Caracal do get a velocity/range bonus to the RLML as well as the Medium launchers. So T1 ships do get the same layout.
But the Typhoon is not a mistake, and no T2 or Pirate ships get a bonus to Application either. |
God's Apples
Genos Occidere
Warlords of the Deep
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Posted - 2015.04.30 12:22:26 -
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You're right about application bonuses not being applied to RLMs. The caracal navy doesn't get the bonus either. All range bonuses apply to RML systems except in the case of the raven which confuses me.
Do you think the application bonus would be too strong on the typhoon? Just because something is done historically doesn't mean it should always be done. If the raven got the range bonus would anyone bother using the typhoon for RHMLs?
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afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.04.30 12:26:00 -
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I don't know. They were removed from the battleships in the RHML 1.0 incarnation and never revisited after the 2.0 with the reload thing.
I believe missiles are due a review next (June?) so I lean towards seeing what happens there before altering hulls. If this belief is incorrect then....ignore me 
I have a fond place in my heart for RHML phoons, have done a long time. I wish they were more viable. |
Stitch Kaneland
Trust Doesn't Rust
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2015.04.30 13:06:19 -
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This would be a good change imo and might help curb the frig/cruiser meta that is happening now. I think the raven should definitely have the range bonus applied. Giving application bonus from typhoon would be amazing as well.
A few would mention this would allow a ship 2-3 classes higher to kill smaller ships. However, it might be good to sledgehammer the meta back in line. Lets say the typhoon does get the application bonus applied. An easy counter to RHML is to bring some big guns with your gang (BS). Meaning BS can start having some role again. Or just wait for it to reload. Cant expect your cruiser blob to not have a counter.
Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role
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Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
483
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Posted - 2015.05.01 07:00:52 -
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Ferst gib Rapid Something Something for turret Battleships.
See sig.
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elitatwo
Eve Minions
Poopstain Removal Team
651
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Posted - 2015.05.01 09:45:03 -
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Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:Ferst gib Rapid Something Something for turret Battleships.
See sig.
Wait, you propose rapid fireing autocannons, pulse lasorz and blasters??
I already said what the solutions for missiles of all sizes was, people said I'm nuts, sold to slave- errm someone else, it was perposterous, unthinkable, overpowered, the end of the blue donut, the end of EVE, I am so stupid that it hurt their feelings, some other stuff but hey doesn't sound quite as perposterous now does it?
As I said, I was a little early and as with all my predictions I can get a little carried away and propose things too much ahead of time.
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unidenify
Plundering Penguins
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Posted - 2015.05.01 21:48:59 -
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Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:Ferst gib Rapid Something Something for turret Battleships.
See sig.
sure, as soon as Missile weapon system get their version of tracking computer/enhancer.
For OP question
I am not certain why RHML don't get range bonus from hull (Barghest is only missile BS that boost RHML range) when RLML do get range bonus from Cruiser |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2099
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Posted - 2015.05.01 23:26:54 -
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unidenify wrote:
sure, as soon as Missile weapon system get their version of tracking computer/enhancer.
For OP question
I am not certain why RHML don't get range bonus from hull (Barghest is only missile BS that boost RHML range) when RLML do get range bonus from Cruiser
Sure, Missile weapons can use TC, TE & TD. Making new modules for a single weapon system is just module clutter and punishes split weapon systems while using the TC & TE allows split weapon systems to have a point. Just like CCP tried back when it was first proposed on Sisi. And the missile users then cried because Ewar actually affected them and got CCP to not implement that change. |
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
767
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Posted - 2015.05.02 01:32:56 -
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The Typhoon might get a bit too strong with a application bonus to hml. Not in relation to Cruisers, but too good compared to the Raven. Maybe make the hml application bonus a bit weaker than other weapons, similar to Ishtar damage bonus and give Raven full rangebonus hml.
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