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gfldex
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Posted - 2006.11.05 14:19:00 -
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After every body hyperventilating about 800k SP I gave the new char creation a try. In it's layout it's a true gem. You can see now where you are and the new summery at the end is quite nice to. <super_bold>But!</super_bold>
Both the race and the attribute destription are totaly missleading. There is no hind that the race you choose doesnt really matter at all in EVE. Everybody who got a clue will tell you that Caldari are a NPCer race and not a fighter race. All the old pilots that are able to fly both turret and missile boats will chose turret ships in nearly any case. If you watch vids from fleet fights you can easyly see witch side will win if you take a look at the fleet composition befor the fight starts. In most cases it's bob ... err ... the side without ravens. (That's why bob and other successfull parties bring no ravens.)
I have a CEO alt and he is Amarr. Quite nice to be strong willed and all but where are his slaves that work for him? A lie, a **** blunt lie!
Gallente are artists and scientists and all. So? Guess what, all gallente pilots I fly will are killers. True killers and way better fighters then all those missile spammers.
Now about attributes. If I had known that in the beginning! Well I didnt and so a lot of my older mates. We all have low perception and willpower because being smart sound so ... err .. smart. Everybody will tell you that you want more or less even attributes with low charisma. And the new skills wont change that. The attribute descriton in the char creation are still totaly missleading. You dont even give them a friendly hind to read up on the forums. It's all there you just have to give them a friendly push in the right direction.
I'm in the german help channel for months now and we send nearly any char back to the bin that asks if his attributes are a good choice. I dont even want to know how many of those that dont ask will find out that they dont skill in that direction where their attributes point to months after it's to late for a change.
Im not happy with the predefined attributes anyway. If you want good attributes you are more or less bound to 3 faces. If anybody in your town looks like brothers it's most likely incest and that makes a lot of people very angry and is widely regarded as a bad move.
So long and thanks for the fish.
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Philip Sterling
GALAXIAN
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.11.05 16:28:00 -
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Everybody who got a clue will tell you that Caldari are a NPCer race and not a fighter race. All the old pilots that are able to fly both turret and missile boats will chose turret ships in nearly any case. If you watch vids from fleet fights you can easyly see witch side will win if you take a look at the fleet composition befor the fight starts. In most cases it's bob ... err ... the side without ravens. (That's why bob and other successfull parties bring no ravens.)
you must be forgetting about the Rokh, which appears that it will be the new best long range fleet BS.
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kalath1032
Caldari
Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.05 16:47:00 -
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its ok for guys like you but for guys like me who just started a few months ago it means some poeple will get skills weve been trying to get for weeks instantly such as engineering lvl 5r a mechanic level 5 which will tajke me another 7 days
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.11.05 16:52:00 -
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I love it simply for the fact that now when you make a character, you don't have to worry about people yelling crap like:
OMG NUB WHY DIDNT YOU GO FOR FRIG IV SSC II? REMAKE NUBLET!
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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2SecondsTilMidnight
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Posted - 2006.11.05 17:10:00 -
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Starting skills don't mean too much. I chose my race for the attributes, not for the starting skills. Although I do agree new players suffer right now, it's not a huge deal in my opinion.
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Alski
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.05 17:21:00 -
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I Agree with…. Pretty much everything the OP said, although given all the hard work that’s clearly been put into it, and the fact it gives a nice roleplayish flavour to the new player which I think is a nice immersive feature, I think the descriptions should either be kept as they are, but add a message box before that screen is displayed telling the new player it’s a good idea to have balanced attributes.
For a slightly more complex idea, I think it would still be nice to allow people to change there attributes at a later stage, say for instance 3 times at any point in the future, for a cost of 2x the number of skill points they have plus the cost of a new clone, that would be a great help to new players who have botched there attributes, and still hopefully be expensive enough to dissuade them from doing it without knowing what there doing.
One problem with that idea would be balancing it so everyone doesn’t just instantly use it to zero there charisma and boost everything else… but then again maybe that wouldn’t be such a bad thing. Tbh I don’t see that idea happening, but it would be nice. 
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Futuri
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.05 17:59:00 -
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Edited by: Futuri on 05/11/2006 17:59:01
Well, the description of the races are indeed very misleading. Who'd guess that Gallente have all the best fighter ships after reading
"In the world of EVE, the Gallentean are the kings of entertainment, mass-producing everything from cheap ****-flicks to elaborate stage-shows for an ever-hungry public. They boast the most elaborate luxury space yachts, and the most glittering hotel reservoirs. Anything your mind or body could ever crave, the Gallenteans have plenty of it."
Edit: LOL @ the censored description
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Cez
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Posted - 2006.11.05 18:49:00 -
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Its not about the skillpoints... 800k is still quite minimal... its about the time and effort everyone before has already put in. this is just another slap in the face form CCP to the current members and a "yipee!" from new members inhopes to get CCP even more dollars. I persoanlly think they fear a drop in membership with their current Kali proposal, so they offering some new incentives to new guys.
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Pinky Denmark
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:15:00 -
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Well, Noobs are in a severe disadvantage when selecting race and attributes... They don't know the consequences and Character Creation doesn't really help much.
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Dannek
Llama F5 and Associates
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Posted - 2006.11.05 19:23:00 -
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I dunno, I started a month and a half ago so this sorta sucks for me, but I've already surpassed 800k points so I'm ahead of any new nublets anyway.
I don't really think it's all that bad to give new players a leg up in the game. It's hard enough to start in as it is. Vets just need to accept that they shouldn't get the same kind of help that new players will get.
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2006.11.05 23:56:00 -
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I think the 800k sp character creation is ridiculous. A new player (caldari in this example) will be able to have T2 rails in less than a day, and flying an assault frigate within a week.
CCP wants to make life easier on players coming to the game for the first time. IMHO, this will instead create the largest fleet of alt characters in eve history.
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MissileRus
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Posted - 2006.11.06 00:38:00 -
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agree completely with LUGAL MOP'N'GLO.
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Rasputin Jones
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Posted - 2006.11.06 00:53:00 -
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You can't be serious with your T2 guns & AF analogy... Firstly, I don't think you can start with Frig 5 ( = ~14d of training time for a nublet), so there's two weeks gone, and let's not forget about the all important capacitor/misc equipment skills. Plus, it's an AF, not a Titan. A pre-new char generation alt with +4 implants and no learning skills could be in an AF within three weeks. Don't make mountains out of molehills.
Honestly, this is one of the best ideas CCP have come up with so far. I can guarantee you that if this was implemented when a friend and I started playing... well, he'd still be playing because his attention and imagination would have been grasped so much more thoroughly by the opportunity to actually do something within the first few days of playing. And that's just one tiny case in point. He paid for a month's worth, so CCP made $19.95 or whatever it is but he didn't even play for the whole time because he was so disillusioned by it.
This is an excellent first step towards allowing new players to actually feel like they're playing a game, rather than doing chores - and let's face it, even if you start with Frig IV you're still utterly and absolutely crap and you won't be able to do diddly squat for at least a week and a half, two weeks and to new players a week and a half of only logging on to change skills is a very similar thing to doing chores - and why the hell would you pay someone to do their chores for them? It's just a better way of making the game more user-friendly. CCP have mouths to feed and beer to buy, remember.
I've only just hit 2.8m SPs and am finally starting to feel useful... Do I feel bitter over this, because a new character could start right now and have access to T2 equipment and free L5s before me? No, because I can definitely say that there were a few times during the preceding months where I was ready to throw in the towel because things were so slow and I couldn't really do anything, and I understand how that ruins so many people's days. Having a headstart will give people a massive boost to morale and will simply make the game better for everybody.
And to all of you that feel as if you're being ripped off by this... Get over yourselves and grow up. It's 800k SPs for christ's sakes. If you have even half decent learning skills you'll do that in around two weeks.
Bah. I tire of repetition.
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar
The Nest
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.06 02:15:00 -
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800k SP starting out isn't the end of the world. It offsets the new HP changes to get more people into combat worthy ships faster and give newer players less of a hard time trying being useful.
Team Minmatar
Carriers need Clone Vats
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Rasputin Jones
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Posted - 2006.11.06 02:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylana Syi
...newer players less of a hard time trying being useful.
And that equates to more people staying with the game, more goods being bought & sold, more minerals being moved around, more ships being built and destroyed... and monthly subscription revenue from said people per month. Everybody wins. Nobody loses.
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2006.11.06 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Rasputin Jones
You can't be serious with your T2 guns & AF analogy... Firstly... rant on
Not quite a week, but very close. Came out with Gunnery V, Frigate III, Small Rail V, Mechanic IV, etc. Open your eyes and read what I said, you came to your incorrect conclusion of my statement too fast.
I'm not worried about the new players coming to the game getting 800k sp. I also don't feel cheated by not getting 800k sp when I built my character (although it would have been REALLY nice). What I AM worried about is the impunity this will give people to create rather 'uber' alt characters and use them for whatever they wish.
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And to all of you that feel as if you're being ripped off by this... Get over yourselves and grow up. It's 800k SPs for christ's sakes. If you have even half decent learning skills you'll do that in around two weeks.
I totally understand why some people feel botched by the deal and I think you need to get off your horse and stop preachin'.
800k SP is almost half of what I have trained in learning. You know how long it took me to train that up? **** near two months. With that said, I don't feel cheated. However, I do think that CCP might look into giving everyone a Christmas present (of 800k SP of course).
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I can definitely say that there were a few times during the preceding months where I was ready to throw in the towel because things were so slow and I couldn't really do anything, and I understand how that ruins so many people's days. Having a headstart will give people a massive boost to morale and will simply make the game better for everybody.
I think you're wrong. Unless the new players start off with 100 million in the bank too. They are going to say "Wow look at all this cool **** I can't afford! What do I do now?"
...Of course, then they'll hop in their covetor that they trained for at the character selection screen and go make some isk 
Truly, I don't see this changing the experience of a new player all that much. EVE isn't easy and at 10m sp, its still not easy for me. What I do see it changing is allowing current eve players create alt characters that can do very essential and highly specialized tasks without much effort, isk, time, or political consequence.
In otherwords... Alts suck, and I'm tired
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