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Mangrasky
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:22:00 -
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Hi all,
Im playing eve since 6 Weeks (again) and do running missions and mining in sec-space, actually im waiting for my learning skills to be finished. The first weeks i was searching for a corp with nice people not wanting me to be active all the time and there for the guild but with a solidaric feeling, respecting each others, to have some fun together, playing and chatting. I know its hard in every game to find such but i tried. I tried 3 times and either i was in a guild with wrong timezone for me, or people were not the nice types and for me its important to feel good in a guild, i dont need RL-feeling ingame, RL is worse enough but at least i dont pay monthly for it:)
Now here comes the problem, making me quit eve first time years ago: topic says it. "Not sure if we want you, you had many corps before, hm ? Wont you tell me(us) why ?"
And i hate this question really and i hate it when people ask it in the community chat. Makes you looking like an antisocial fool not able to interact with other people, with a bad egoistic character, something like that.
I dont know if its a problem of the german community or if all over EVE people asking this question, not knowing how unfair it can be to judge people after how many corps they left.
I would understand asking this question after a while, when you know each others, but no..its the first thing they ask and a point to consider if they accept you as a member.
In short words this biography system of corps opens bullying and isolation all doors. After i tried to find the right corp for me and i heard that question 3 or 4 times in a not friendly way(like you speak with people just left jail after years) i quit EVE because i were tired of feeling like an odd bird because no one wants me and playing alone.
Now this problem comes up again i fear. Since 1 month im in Aliastra and i dont have the guts to look for a new corp because i fear all things will repeat.
Im not an angel, not that.. i have my mistakes too but i think if a corp is not right you should be able to leave it without carrying a stamp on your forehead, a chance for a new beginning.
As it is now people with many tries to find the right corp are carrying around their pillory with them.
Not sure why i wrote this, i guess i have the hope a responsible person reads it.
Sorry for the bad english.
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Gonada
Gallente
Cross Roads
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:30:00 -
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its not unreasonable to have been in a bunch of corps.
lets face it, poeple are hard to get along with in some cases, and not every corp is as advertised.
eve is the first game ive seen that tracks corps youve been to, and, well, if some ned is going to use that as an excuse then too bad for him.
-I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
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Taram Caldar
Caldari
Acheron Vanguard Armada
The Shadow Ascension
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:31:00 -
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Edited by: Taram Caldar on 05/11/2006 15:38:04
Erm
When you go to a job interview if you have held 9 jobs in the last 2 years your employer is going to ask about it.
Same goes in EVE... in EVE, unlike almost any other MMO being part of a corp gives you access to that corps resources. Some other MMO's have SOME aspects of this but nothing to the extent EVE does. Also since EVE is a PVP game there's a certain element that enjoys making 'alts' to get them into a corp they are targetting to spy ont hem so as to better plan operations against their target.
Thus corp recruiters get curious when we see a toon that has been in numerous corporations in a very short time. It's not the kiss of death just be honest when asked why you were in so many or in them for such short ammts of time. Recruiters are generally not stupid and will understand if it was just 'looking for the right corp' type of things. They're asking because the Recruiter's job is the 1st line of defense against alt spy's or corp thieves. We HAVE to ask.... if we don't and someone loses a bunch of assets out of the corp hanger to someone we brought in it's partially our fault for trusting the person and bringing them into the family.
It's not anything personal against you, the applicant. It's just that we have to safe-guard our corporation. And a frequent change in corps on an applicant does raise some concerns which must be resolved before recruitment should even begin. Sure there are other processes and permissions systems within the corp to prevent horrible things happening even if a spy/thief DOES manage to get invited.... but the first line of defense is recruiters who ask questions. One of those questions just happens to be: "Why so many corps?" if there were a lot in your past... especially if they were frequent changes.
All that said:
I generally do interviews with potential recruits in a convo... not a public chat. Most recruiters do as well. Doing it in public chat is just too spammy to keep track of. Easier to keep it in Convos.... that way you can not only keep the privacy of the player but you can generally handle more than 1 convo at a time.
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Capt Harlock
Band of Builders Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:32:00 -
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Usualy people with a lot of corps in their history have it for a reason. The reasons usually aint good. So of course people are going to question you about it. People like consistency, loyalty and trust. Your record is telling people you deffinatly don't seem to have loyaly and consistency so flags up the trust issue. Trust above isk is the no1 comodity in eve. One of the ways you could get over this problem is providing a number of references to back up the fact that you are trustworthy. If you can't do this then you have a problem.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:35:00 -
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Some people have a hard time finding a place they like, others get lucky right off the bat, others find a few they like, and end up in 2-3 over the course of years.
 Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Moghydin
Confederation of Red Moon
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:37:00 -
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I was in 3 corps so far in my Eve carrier. All 3 were and are good corps with nice ppl. I left 2 previous corps because either I felt left out by the corp recent activity or I wanted to try another aspect of Eve, not because of ppl. Just pick your corps carefully, check what they are and what they do, and you'll be fine. Don't accept every invitation that is sent to you.
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Gonada
Gallente
Cross Roads
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:37:00 -
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Same goes in EVE... in EVE, unlike almost any other MMO being part of a corp gives you access to that corps resources.
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lol no it doesnt, why dont you learn about how eve and corp management works.
any new guy can have 0 privlages until hes proven himself.
-I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
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Taram Caldar
Caldari
Acheron Vanguard Armada
The Shadow Ascension
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada
Same goes in EVE... in EVE, unlike almost any other MMO being part of a corp gives you access to that corps resources.
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lol no it doesnt, why dont you learn about how eve and corp management works.
any new guy can have 0 privlages until hes proven himself.
Failing to read the entire post FTW! Duh of course. But the first line of defense against alt-spy's and corp thieves and scammers is not letting them in the front door to begin with.
Like I said... being in a bunch of corps raises CONCERN but it's not the kiss of death.
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Gonada
Gallente
Cross Roads
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Posted - 2006.11.05 15:59:00 -
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Like I said... being in a bunch of corps raises CONCERN but it's not the kiss of death.
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heh ya i didnt fully read yer post 
-I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
-nerf Missles-
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Mangrasky
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Posted - 2006.11.05 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Taram Caldar
Edited by: Taram Caldar on 05/11/2006 15:38:04
Erm
When you go to a job interview if you have held 9 jobs in the last 2 years your employer is going to ask about it.
Same goes in EVE... in EVE, unlike almost any other MMO being part of a corp gives you access to that corps resources. Some other MMO's have SOME aspects of this but nothing to the extent EVE does. Also since EVE is a PVP game there's a certain element that enjoys making 'alts' to get them into a corp they are targetting to spy ont hem so as to better plan operations against their target.
Thus corp recruiters get curious when we see a toon that has been in numerous corporations in a very short time. It's not the kiss of death just be honest when asked why you were in so many or in them for such short ammts of time. Recruiters are generally not stupid and will understand if it was just 'looking for the right corp' type of things. They're asking because the Recruiter's job is the 1st line of defense against alt spy's or corp thieves. We HAVE to ask.... if we don't and someone loses a bunch of assets out of the corp hanger to someone we brought in it's partially our fault for trusting the person and bringing them into the family.
It's not anything personal against you, the applicant. It's just that we have to safe-guard our corporation. And a frequent change in corps on an applicant does raise some concerns which must be resolved before recruitment should even begin. Sure there are other processes and permissions systems within the corp to prevent horrible things happening even if a spy/thief DOES manage to get invited.... but the first line of defense is recruiters who ask questions. One of those questions just happens to be: "Why so many corps?" if there were a lot in your past... especially if they were frequent changes.
All that said:
I generally do interviews with potential recruits in a convo... not a public chat. Most recruiters do as well. Doing it in public chat is just too spammy to keep track of. Easier to keep it in Convos.... that way you can not only keep the privacy of the player but you can generally handle more than 1 convo at a time.
First, i understand corps in RL do it, they lose real money sometimes when they take the wrong people. In no single game in the net newbies get all trust, and its simply clear that you have to earn trust over time before they really trust you, what are words ?
Its a game, there is no need to put RL-rules into a game, not generally.
None of the people asking the topicquestion asked in a correct way, in a way to make sure im not a corpthief, but in a way of distrust and antipathy. As a newbie in a corp i dont want trust from the start but not distrust too. Remember its a game, and you play a game to have FUN with it. In RL things you do because they are necessary and a job is necessary to survive, its another case.
Actually i have expectations. I give respect and i want respect, if people dont give that, or have a bad behaviour in another way im gone, this can be after 2 days. i dont look for new corp actually because im sure my list of corps would be pretty long and i still would be in aliastra. Im no corpthief, no betrayer , nothing. i just have expectations, thats my problem. and this puts me at the edge of community.
the corp bio is: "be like we all or stay away". The big leveller.
A game is not only isk and posession, its human interaction, feelings too.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.05 16:07:00 -
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Most corps seem to want slaves that dont change corp when they arent happy. I think its good, because then you know right away which corps to not care about. :)
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Mangrasky
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Posted - 2006.11.05 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Most corps seem to want slaves that dont change corp when they arent happy. I think its good, because then you know right away which corps to not care about. :)
i really like eve, but this is a real disadvantage in my sight, and all practical reasons ppl may throw into do not balance the stigmatisation. Its doing more worse then good, but maybe eve is a game of making isk and wealth, not for having fun
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Taram Caldar
Caldari
Acheron Vanguard Armada
The Shadow Ascension
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Posted - 2006.11.05 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Mangrasky
Originally by: Taram Caldar
Edited by: Taram Caldar on 05/11/2006 15:38:04
Erm
When you go to a job interview if you have held 9 jobs in the last 2 years your employer is going to ask about it.
Same goes in EVE... in EVE, unlike almost any other MMO being part of a corp gives you access to that corps resources. Some other MMO's have SOME aspects of this but nothing to the extent EVE does. Also since EVE is a PVP game there's a certain element that enjoys making 'alts' to get them into a corp they are targetting to spy ont hem so as to better plan operations against their target.
Thus corp recruiters get curious when we see a toon that has been in numerous corporations in a very short time. It's not the kiss of death just be honest when asked why you were in so many or in them for such short ammts of time. Recruiters are generally not stupid and will understand if it was just 'looking for the right corp' type of things. They're asking because the Recruiter's job is the 1st line of defense against alt spy's or corp thieves. We HAVE to ask.... if we don't and someone loses a bunch of assets out of the corp hanger to someone we brought in it's partially our fault for trusting the person and bringing them into the family.
It's not anything personal against you, the applicant. It's just that we have to safe-guard our corporation. And a frequent change in corps on an applicant does raise some concerns which must be resolved before recruitment should even begin. Sure there are other processes and permissions systems within the corp to prevent horrible things happening even if a spy/thief DOES manage to get invited.... but the first line of defense is recruiters who ask questions. One of those questions just happens to be: "Why so many corps?" if there were a lot in your past... especially if they were frequent changes.
All that said:
I generally do interviews with potential recruits in a convo... not a public chat. Most recruiters do as well. Doing it in public chat is just too spammy to keep track of. Easier to keep it in Convos.... that way you can not only keep the privacy of the player but you can generally handle more than 1 convo at a time.
First, i understand corps in RL do it, they lose real money sometimes when they take the wrong people. In no single game in the net newbies get all trust, and its simply clear that you have to earn trust over time before they really trust you, what are words ?
Its a game, there is no need to put RL-rules into a game, not generally.
None of the people asking the topicquestion asked in a correct way, in a way to make sure im not a corpthief, but in a way of distrust and antipathy. As a newbie in a corp i dont want trust from the start but not distrust too. Remember its a game, and you play a game to have FUN with it. In RL things you do because they are necessary and a job is necessary to survive, its another case.
Actually i have expectations. I give respect and i want respect, if people dont give that, or have a bad behaviour in another way im gone, this can be after 2 days. i dont look for new corp actually because im sure my list of corps would be pretty long and i still would be in aliastra. Im no corpthief, no betrayer , nothing. i just have expectations, thats my problem. and this puts me at the edge of community.
the corp bio is: "be like we all or stay away". The big leveller.
A game is not only isk and posession, its human interaction, feelings too.
I can't speak to how you were spoken to as I wasn't there. Whenever I interview a potential corp member I always try very hard to be respectful. Some folks don't... If you're still looking for a corp look me up in game. I'm usually on after about 00:00 EVE time till about 03:00 or so... Except on my weekends (thurs-saturday) when I'm on much more often. I'll be happy to interview ya if you don't mind moving to the Rens area (we're not actually in rens but it's not far away).
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Ernest Graefenberg
Minmatar
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.05 17:08:00 -
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In no way is the supposed stigmatisation large enough to counterbalance what can be done by having any form of actual character. If you're having trouble getting into any decent corps in a game with such a high demand for active members, then to be quite honest you're probably doing something wrong.
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Mangrasky
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Posted - 2006.11.05 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ernest Graefenberg
In no way is the supposed stigmatisation large enough to counterbalance what can be done by having any form of actual character. If you're having trouble getting into any decent corps in a game with such a high demand for active members, then to be quite honest you're probably doing something wrong.
thank you for this post. its the royal argument of the ppl troubling others because of a long corp list.
"if you different its your fault"
"we are right, and we are ok because we are many people and youŠre alone"
"get along with us or go away"
this real ignorant and stupid(sorry) thoughts are supportet by this corp-biography. are we humans or a herd of nerd ?
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Ernest Graefenberg
Minmatar
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.05 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: Ernest Graefenberg on 05/11/2006 17:52:55
If a wide range of unrelated people dislike you, and you manage to alienate a bunch of complete strangers when trying to plea for sympathy - I'd venture a guess and say I'm pretty much correct, and you're indeed a douchebag.
I don't really need to draw on your employment history to come to that conclusion, what little interaction we've had so far seems fairly sufficient. If anyone here is being blamed unfairly, it's your employment history - it's done nothing to deserve being picked on.
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Auron Shadowbane
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Posted - 2006.11.05 21:29:00 -
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well basically it runs to the following:
If your a nice guy then a corp which is good for you will learn your character over time if you give them that time (fly with em & be in their public chanell).
if your a nice guy those corps who dont want you only cause of your history arent worth your time.
if your a bad guy it's your own fault and you might want to work on your personality to become a nice guy.
basically you have one of 2 probs:
a) beeing shy; give the ppl some time!
b) beeing an ass; change yourself :)
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Cheechako
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.05 21:35:00 -
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Corp ADD is an issue, and is something that a lot of the upper corps consider as a huge negative.
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.05 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Gonada
any new guy can have 0 privlages until hes proven himself.
A new person has your corp's tags on. I'd love to know how to prevent them from reading alliance/corp chat, docking at your outposts, attacking your allies, and all sorts of other things that require no rights. Theres more to it than just hangar access and POS access you know.
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Taram Caldar
Caldari
Acheron Vanguard Armada
The Shadow Ascension
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Posted - 2006.11.05 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Cheechako
Corp ADD is an issue, and is something that a lot of the upper corps consider as a huge negative.
I really hate it when people equate activities in a game to a real world disease/disorder that is actually quite serious and very difficult to live with. I consider that a huge negative.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.11.05 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Taram Caldar
Originally by: Cheechako
Corp ADD is an issue, and is something that a lot of the upper corps consider as a huge negative.
I really hate it when people equate activities in a game to a real world disease/disorder that is actually quite serious and very difficult to live with. I consider that a huge negative.
I've got no problem with my ADD...
If people are worried about cap issues in Kali, they might want to ask for a 25% over cap increase or something.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Mouse15
Caldari
Pelican Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.05 22:07:00 -
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tbh i dont see the point in checking the amount of corps people have been in before you decide whether to have em or not....... its a game....
....My answer is cos if the corp doesnt do anything to keep you interested then im gonna leave and do sommat else...
No point in sitting there in front of your computer goin... "yay im paying to sit around being bored every month woooooo!"...
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.05 22:22:00 -
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Corphopping can indicate a passive stance towards creating your own content rather then an active stance towards it.
People that can make their own gameplay fun dont need to switch corps much.
Or at least, that's the idea. And there's the spying stuff ofc. In general, having been in loads of corps is indeed seen as bad.
I've persoanlly been in two corps in the last three years and something with this character. Choose wisely and you won't need to move.
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Caleb Paine
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.05 22:39:00 -
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In my case I had trouble finding a corp with the same drive I have (I can be somewhat annoyed by inactivity, indecivness and all that and I'm not afraid to voice my opinion). Other corps I was in just had some people I'd rather not be with so I left, again other corps just went inactive and dissolved a month after I left.
So yeah, my rap sheet does look bad but I refuse to settle for less if I have/want to work and play together with other people. But I can completely understand why someone would be weary when they see a long corp history.
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Ferrosa
Gallente
Lyonesse Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.05 23:06:00 -
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It's all about the way they approach you when you first meet (in convo or wherever)
I for one, don't like people that talk all the time, that end every sentence with 'lol' or 'lal' or 'pwnd' or whatever. That gives you a sense of what they are all about. If they appear to you as noobs or too childish or retarded, then they probably are...
If you're a social person, and you're recruiting, you can sense someone's character in a matter of minutes, simple as that.
I'm a very social person, I know how most people think and I'm a true social engineer, I can tell very fast if a person is someone to be bargained with or not. You have it, or you don't.
My point is, leave it to the recruiters to decide how far you'll decide to trust someone...
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2006.11.05 23:23:00 -
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I spend 4 months in each corp on average, and tend to return as well. So even though I have moved corp 16 times now, I have been playing with the same few groups of people for 2.5 years.
I think that far more important than the number of times you have had to join/rejoin someone's corp, is getting yourself into a position where a few people can say they have known you for a year or whatever, and can vouch for your abilities. To that end, my advice is, where possible don't burn your bridges. EVE is a game where building lasting relationships can really pay off, again and again. You never know what possibilities will be offered.
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Ozzie Asrail
FATAL REVELATIONS
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.05 23:54:00 -
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It's not really unreasonable for a recruiter to ask that sort of question.
Best way to get to know a corp is to hang is their public channel for at least a week and jsut chat with them. Also worth researching killboards and reading through any posts they make on forums. Also make sure you do actually know what type of corp you want.
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Benco97
Gallente
Fedo Appreciation Group
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Posted - 2006.11.05 23:56:00 -
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I have been in many many many corps in my time, my workaround so that it isnt' assumed i'm a thief? I'm known, tada, easy.
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2006.11.06 00:51:00 -
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When people ask you that question you should give them the courtesy of being honest and up front.
You should be prepared to answer questions about what you want out of Eve, what you want to do in the game, what you plan to contribute to the corp, and what you expect from them.
To me you sound like a freelancer.
Don't be embarassed about being a corp hopper, just tell them you haven't found the right corp.
For a laugh, go look at Joshua Calvert's employment history.
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2006.11.06 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Cheechako
Corp ADD is an issue, and is something that a lot of the upper corps consider as a huge negative.
"Corp A.D.D." ROFL
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