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Rannoc
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Posted - 2006.11.06 15:04:00 -
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I am just wondering what folks think about the new Kali ships vs missions. Currently Domi and Raven are the best mission runners, but how do you guys think the new ships would fair in missions?
--R
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Zhaine
B e l l u m
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Posted - 2006.11.06 19:08:00 -
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Don't really see anything surpassing the Raven (or CNR) for alround PvE. I guess against stuff weak to Kin/Therm then the Rohk might just win out, perhaps. For L3s the Drake will certainly rule where the Ferox used to. None of the other races have or will have ships that surpass these two (and the CNR) for L4 and L3 missions respectively. - - - - - - - - - -
Quote: I don't even want a ship, ships are for carebears. Give me a fish bowl for my head (to keep space out) and smear me with lard, then armed with a toasting fork-
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Dolly Parton
Amarr 5punkorp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.07 14:04:00 -
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i solo 60% of all missions in my apoc. super tank nothing of npc will get in. but i will not argue that the raven is better just saying apoc should be included in the list. *** Any comments made are mine and mine alone! *** |
Idara
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.07 14:14:00 -
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Abaddon with 1400mm II's. ---
Go! Go! Go pointless Tier 3s! |
Lord WarATron
Amarr Out Siders Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.07 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Dolly Parton i solo 60% of all missions in my apoc. super tank nothing of npc will get in. but i will not argue that the raven is better just saying apoc should be included in the list.
I have used an apoc for solo lvl4's for a long time - And when I switched to a raven, I was shocked by the vast improvement in tanking and lvl4 squashing time.
Maxed out armour tanking skills vs a month of shield skills = better shield tank. High gunnery vs a mil or 2 sp in missiles = better with missiles
The only way an apoc can match a raven, is to fit 2 10km smartbombs to instablast most of the spawn instantly --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE |
Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2006.11.08 14:35:00 -
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Well the classical mission runner Raven gets a dual nerf 1. Crystal set 2. Javelin torps
However, a combination of damage rigs, shield HP / recharge rigs, missile range rigs, missile implants and the new crystal set might lead to a truely devastating mission runner ship concept: passive tanked drake and nighthawk.
The one problem is the extreme close range of HAMs. 15km is not that good when everything orbits you at 20-50km. Heavies lack punch, but who knows, maybe damage rigs can change that.
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Orrin Danestarr
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Posted - 2006.11.08 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Zhaine Don't really see anything surpassing the Raven (or CNR) for alround PvE. I guess against stuff weak to Kin/Therm then the Rohk might just win out, perhaps. For L3s the Drake will certainly rule where the Ferox used to. None of the other races have or will have ships that surpass these two (and the CNR) for L4 and L3 missions respectively.
The hurricane should be spanking for lvl 3 missions with its boni's & speed. "Imagination is the key that unlocks the door." - ME |
Sokratesz
Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2006.11.08 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Argenton Sayvers Well the classical mission runner Raven gets a dual nerf 1. Crystal set 2. Javelin torps
With any decent bit of skills you dont need the crystal set. Also, who the #^#( uses javelin torps on missions? regular ones work just as well versus large targets and drones will get rid of the smaller ones rather quick - not to mention jav torps are very expensive.
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Krav
Egad Inc. Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.08 17:36:00 -
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Edited by: Krav on 08/11/2006 17:36:19
Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Argenton Sayvers Well the classical mission runner Raven gets a dual nerf 1. Crystal set 2. Javelin torps
With any decent bit of skills you dont need the crystal set. Also, who the #^#( uses javelin torps on missions? regular ones work just as well versus large targets and drones will get rid of the smaller ones rather quick - not to mention jav torps are very expensive.
Cown's alt dissolutor in his FRAPS'd missions always uses jav missiles... alt has no drone skills.
It ain't always your way or the highway...
Krav =====
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Dorah Hawkwing
Chosen Path Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.08 19:41:00 -
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^Just tested a lvl 4 silence the informant with an 8 megapulse abadon. Worked fine.
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Duncan Storne
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Posted - 2006.11.08 20:02:00 -
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What was the nerf to Javelins? I missed it somehow.
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Ranged Airman
Caldari The Shadow Order
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Posted - 2006.11.08 21:58:00 -
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Well, I tried doing some lvl4s with a drake on the test server. I was actually able to do them about as well as with a Raven. 7x arbalest heavies and a passive tank made things pretty easy.
Granted I have 11mil SPs almost all in Shields/Missiles, but still possible with fewer skill points
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Sokratesz
Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2006.11.08 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Krav
Cown's alt dissolutor in his FRAPS'd missions always uses jav missiles... alt has no drone skills.
It ain't always your way or the highway...
Krav
Well, for the average mission runner it shouldnt be a problem to spend 2 weeks on drone skills - saves you awhole lot of ISK buying jav torps...
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MuffinsRevenger
EmpiresMod
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Posted - 2006.11.09 07:56:00 -
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harbringer will absolutly squish l3's tbh, you can fit a good enough tank and get enough dps out of it to kill most things before they even get through your shield
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Sokratesz
Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2006.11.09 08:07:00 -
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Originally by: Duncan Storne What was the nerf to Javelins? I missed it somehow.
Theyre going to nerf damage against bigger targets on them. So instead of 450 standard damage on a torp you can expect something more like 300 with kali. This will make the javs really only usable versus cruisers and smaller.
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Rafein
Eye of God Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.09 11:06:00 -
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Edited by: Rafein on 09/11/2006 11:08:17 It does not really matter, AFAIK, mission rats did not get the HP boosts, so killing them will be easy as before, but you will last much longer, making the missions pretty redundant, so will probably see people able to do level 4's in a Brutix.
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Sokratesz
Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2006.11.09 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Rafein Edited by: Rafein on 09/11/2006 11:08:17 It does not really matter, AFAIK, mission rats did not get the HP boosts, so killing them will be easy as before, but you will last much longer, making the missions pretty redundant, so will probably see people able to do level 4's in a Brutix.
Err...all you get is more HP, not better tankability. The average level 4 stage takes 10 minutes so HP won't save you there - you need tank.
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.09 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Duncan Storne What was the nerf to Javelins? I missed it somehow.
Theyre going to nerf damage against bigger targets on them. So instead of 450 standard damage on a torp you can expect something more like 300 with kali. This will make the javs really only usable versus cruisers and smaller.
If it were only that. They nerf the damage from 450 to 380, making them worthless against large targets. AND they nerf the exp radius from 300 to 400, making them worthless against small targets. In the end, T1 torps will be better than T2 Javs --------- ZOMG my sig was concordokkened! Link removed due to bad language on remote site. -wystler
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Sendraks
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.09 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Orrin Danestarr The hurricane should be spanking for lvl 3 missions with its boni's & speed.
I agree. The Hurricane will definitely be up there with the Brutix as the top two vessels for level 3 mission running.
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Mikal Drey
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Posted - 2006.11.09 11:45:00 -
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hey hey
Certainly /signed for the hurricane for L3 missions. i'll probably buy one for the collection and abuse it on some L3s till it explodes.
L4's for matari .. Sticking to my Claymore. as for the malestrom. it will probably still have no troubles as any BS should be able to do L4 missions but the price might not suit the Mission runners.
I expect the hurricane to come in around 50-60mil then settle around 40ish. Malestroms more 200mil at first then will most likely settle around 120ish
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Sokratesz
Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2006.11.09 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar
If it were only that. They nerf the damage from 450 to 380, making them worthless against large targets. AND they nerf the exp radius from 300 to 400, making them worthless against small targets. In the end, T1 torps will be better than T2 Javs
**** i hadnt taken that close a look..
So the only bonus they will have over regular torps is the explosion velocity and travel distance (speed * flight time) with a nearly 20% damage reduction :/
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OneSock
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Posted - 2006.11.10 11:10:00 -
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I'll be curious to see how a tanked Myrmidon and a set of T2 drones do on lv3s. Might take over duties from my domi in lv3 config.
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