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Blue Wolf2k
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Posted - 2006.11.06 16:06:00 -
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OK, so i bought this nightmare..
solos most lv4s. problem being; not all lv4s.
my issue is that armour reps are far too slooow, and take far too much power complared to a sheild booster with say a boost amp. however a rattlesnake price is stupidly high, passing 2.5bn most times. so poor me needs to make do. i can run my 2 large armour reps, 3 active hardeners and 4 large beams non stop, but the armour reps just cant quite keep on top of things. ok they fail the moment you come under heavy fire.
do any of you know a setup thats not a list of the most expensive faction items you read in escrow, but a more wallet friendly normal market stock setup that can tank any lv4?
if not, any of you know of a perfect lv4 runner thats around the 1bn --> 1.5bn mark (or cheaper!)
will a caldary navy issue raven do the trick? like to hear a setup for that too
thanks guys
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Chupacabro
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Posted - 2006.11.06 16:17:00 -
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I would like an answer also. I lost a domi. I had 2 heavy electro boosters. 2 L armor rep 2's, 2 active Thermals, 2 active EM Both Tech 2, adaptiv nano Tech 2, I had over 85 percent resist on the two damage types but and did not have any cap issues, but yet they still broke my tank.
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Shardrael
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.06 16:20:00 -
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is this a joke 
ok well here is rule number 1 faction ships need faction fittings to work well, not the case with all but with one like the nightmare that rule is life.
secondly armor reps use way less cap then shield per second. and it is very possible to setup a mission running nightmare to run two large armor repairers on full time indefinetly while firing beam lasers constantly.
but all that is a moot point, if you want a perfect mission runner then yes caldari navy raven is what you want, again though dont fit it with t1 crap, if you do you will find it pop, why only spend 50 million on fitting a 1-2 billion ship? spend 1-2 billion fitting a 1-2 billion ship and you will do all lvl 4's without a second thought. If a navy raven is actually affordable to you then you should be able to afford the fitting for it, and no having the 1-2 billion to buy a navy raven does not make it affordable.
honestly you can do em all in a regular raven anyways so I would build up your money stockpile quite abit futher before going faction
 Originally by: Pinky Denmark
Caldari have other options like using rails or train for other ships/weapons...
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.06 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Shardrael
is this a joke
ok well here is rule number 1 faction ships need faction fittings to work well, not the case with all but with one like the nightmare that rule is life.
secondly armor reps use way less cap then shield per second. and it is very possible to setup a mission running nightmare to run two large armor repairers on full time indefinetly while firing beam lasers constantly.
but all that is a moot point, if you want a perfect mission runner then yes caldari navy raven is what you want, again though dont fit it with t1 crap, if you do you will find it pop, why only spend 50 million on fitting a 1-2 billion ship? spend 1-2 billion fitting a 1-2 billion ship and you will do all lvl 4's without a second thought. If a navy raven is actually affordable to you then you should be able to afford the fitting for it, and no having the 1-2 billion to buy a navy raven does not make it affordable.
honestly you can do em all in a regular raven anyways so I would build up your money stockpile quite abit futher before going faction
It's all wrong, don't listen to him.
If you have missile skills, sell nightmare, buy raven and gisti xl booster and voila.
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Shirazz
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Posted - 2006.11.06 17:01:00 -
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My friend does lvl 4s in a tech 2 fitted raven and he only has 10mil sp, try that
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2006.11.06 17:03:00 -
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just get a regular raven, buy a gist b-type xl booster and you're all set
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Arbenowskee
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.06 17:10:00 -
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missions in t2 fitted raven are easy. in t2 fitted navy raven even easier. why put facion gear on. they're boring enough, no need to make them easier.
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Tobias Raddick
Caldari
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2006.11.06 18:37:00 -
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Raven + tech 1 fittings x skills = solo lvl4 ship.
Except for the last stage of 'Vengeance' - those sentries are a pain.
If you honestly think you need faction fittings to run lvl4 agent missions, you need to rethink the way you're tackling those missions.
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Hellspawn01
Amarr
The Phantom Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.06 18:43:00 -
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A nightmare can run dual rep setups all day for lvl4¦s.
4x cap recharger (named or T2)
2x L armor reps
2-3x hardeners (depends on the mission)
2-3x cap relays
1x Damage mod
The high slots depend on your style. I prefer 4x Cruise launchers and 4x mega pulse II.This setup runs all day and can take a beating. I also suggest med drones against incoming scramblers.
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MuffinsRevenger
EmpiresMod
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Posted - 2006.11.06 18:55:00 -
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You could also try:
4 modulated tacyon beams (multifrec/xray/infrared/microwave)
4 arby sige launchers
1 target painter (or webber/ab/sensorbooster/whatever)
3 cap rechargers (true sansha for coolnesspoints)
1 LAR
1 MAR
3 hardners
3 cpr
the cpr can be changed around depending on your cap skills etc, a damge mod/secondary hardner/DCU would also be a good idea
use faction or t2 wherever you can, preferebly faction, and preferebly true sansha, mainly becous of the coolness factor if somone would scan your ship/you wanted to take some bragging screens |
Presidente Gallente
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Posted - 2006.11.07 08:04:00 -
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Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 07/11/2006 08:05:36
Let me tell you about my actual experience.
I am at this moment a 8.6 Million SP clone born in March in Bourynes.
When I had the skills and ISK for my first BC - a Brutix - I was wondering if it's possible to run l4's with this underestimated ship.
I have the impression the common ship career in EVE is getting a BS like a Raven as fast as possible. On one side it's good for reaching l4's, more LP and bigger ISK in a short schedule. On the other side most of the clones believe that l3's were made for BC and l4's just for BS. With low skills you get some surprises when you are used to fly l3's in a BC and entering the first l4 in a BS totally sure that this is now an easy ride. One of my corp mates was freaking out in Silent The Informant with his brand new Raven because caps were drained out fast, he got scrambled and could escape in the last second with the lesson: I need better skills, better fittings and ... training.
So one main goal for successful mission run is IMO - what most of the newer clones don't see: SKILLS!
When I figured out that I could deal with all l3's I was wondering: what happens when entering a l4?
At this time my skills weren't that good and the first easier l4's were quite hard to tank with the RIGHT tactics.
And that's another point: beside SKILLS it's all about tactics and knowlegde about what's going on in those missions.
So I set up a special skill plan with EVEMon concentrating mainly on Drones, Gunnery, Mechanics, Navigation.
Even with t1 fittings and 5 med drones I was able to deal some l4's solo. My first lesson what l4 really means was: Worlds Collide.
At this time I accomplished Serpentis Extra solo, so why not WC? After warping in, getting agro, escaping out I had to scream in local for backup.
Most of the BS pilots joining my gang were wondering that I run l4's in a Brutix solo. "Are you crazy? That is mainly impossible!"
It's not! It's all about a skill plan, the right setups and tactics. While most of the "get a Raven" pilots do their long range camping games in missions I have always to be in AB action of course which gives you a nice thrilling and sophisticated experience every time. And: it's getting better and better.
For me it's my personal challenge to figure out the BC limits on l4's. But I have to say: since I have t2 fittings and a Meditation Repper it's surprising what's possible with a Brutix even in harder l4's. BC IV or better V is a must for that. And this baby tanks quite nice while repping and running away from those spawns.
The main tactics are to agro the spawns in 62km with Spike or Iron and intercept the faster NPC's at <40km with Iridum, switching to Antimatter at 30km. Dual 150mm Rails will use Iron at <30km and switching to Iridium/Antimatter <15km. A 90% webber is a must to take down faster orbiting ships efficient. BS's will get down by drones and close "webbed" combat while tanking them.
Just to make clear what that means: I soloed Zazzmatazz. Not easy to tank that missile whip but it's possible. Actually I soloed many l4's. Some are easy IMO some are nasty.
My latest experience at the BC limits was Silent The Informant Stage 2. It took 20 minutes to discuss in local if I should enter or not. I checked that deadspace with a shuttle first and was aware that this isn't an easy task.
The local clone were sure: get in and die in honor!
Well, I decided to enter, was webbed, took out the spiders, went on escape course under insane DPS fire by those Mercenary Commanders. It was really tough and just one scrambler had made my Brutix history.
But this is one thing you have to live with when running l4's in a BC. It was getting late. I felt I can do that mission solo but I called two wingmen in local for backup to get back to reallife and sleep asap.
Next time ... with better skills ...
One pro about my challenge: when I have my skills for BS, HAC or a Command Ship ... I think I am ready for l4's sightseeing. ;-)
Fly strong skilled and always with drones!
Pres
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Riho
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2006.11.07 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: Shirazz
My friend does lvl 4s in a tech 2 fitted raven and he only has 10mil sp, try that
i do lvl 4s whit 200k sp in missiles and **** skills in all caldari stuff easy on a raven :P
and i do em in low sec :)
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.07 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Presidente Gallente
stuff
Or course you can run them in a Brutix. Hell you can run L4s in an AF. But the real point to L4s is making as much money in as little time as possible. And in that the skills are only a secondary factor, the most important one is your wallet as the fancy faction and deadspace stuff is what allows you optimal fittings (either by pure performance or by low fitting reqs).
Sure you can run lvl4s in a Brutix for a blast, but if it actually becomes exciting, or you even have to warp out, you fail at 'successful' mission running :P
Sure I do stuff like that for fun occasionally too, but if the ISK must flow it is a very bad idea.
So to the OP, get a CNR, its the #1 for missions. Nightmare is a bit subpar because lasers are pretty worthless against the vast majority of NPCs (everyone but sansha and blood has high EM resists) and a gist shieldtank is better against everyone (again except sansha and blood) than a centus/core armortank.
And fitting anything less than that kind of tank on a faction ship is a horrible sacrilege. In fact it is the equipment that makes the ship great. The ship is just the icing on the cake. You can run lvl4s perfectly fine in a standard Raven fitted with all the faction gear. (Yes T2 can run them too but lacks the efficiency).
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Shardrael
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.07 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
Originally by: Shardrael
is this a joke
ok well here is rule number 1 faction ships need faction fittings to work well, not the case with all but with one like the nightmare that rule is life.
secondly armor reps use way less cap then shield per second. and it is very possible to setup a mission running nightmare to run two large armor repairers on full time indefinetly while firing beam lasers constantly.
but all that is a moot point, if you want a perfect mission runner then yes caldari navy raven is what you want, again though dont fit it with t1 crap, if you do you will find it pop, why only spend 50 million on fitting a 1-2 billion ship? spend 1-2 billion fitting a 1-2 billion ship and you will do all lvl 4's without a second thought. If a navy raven is actually affordable to you then you should be able to afford the fitting for it, and no having the 1-2 billion to buy a navy raven does not make it affordable.
honestly you can do em all in a regular raven anyways so I would build up your money stockpile quite abit futher before going faction
It's all wrong, don't listen to him.
If you have missile skills, sell nightmare, buy raven and gisti xl booster and voila.
yeah you listen to luke, then watch how fast he finds you with his locator agent
seriously if you wanna mission run there is no doubt navy raven is king but it is not neccesary either...
Originally by: Pinky Denmark
Caldari have other options like using rails or train for other ships/weapons...
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Minyon
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Posted - 2006.11.07 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Chupacabro
I would like an answer also. I lost a domi. I had 2 heavy electro boosters. 2 L armor rep 2's, 2 active Thermals, 2 active EM Both Tech 2, adaptiv nano Tech 2, I had over 85 percent resist on the two damage types but and did not have any cap issues, but yet they still broke my tank.
If you had 85% resistances and 2 large tech2 repears going non stop with maxed skills you would of been tanking about 950dps which should of been ok its better than my ishtar with 2 medium repears is at tanking hybrids with 90% resitances to kinetic and thermal  .
The only thing i can think your doing wrong is you may be leting your drones fire at any thing geting all the rats on you at once. That or your fighting rats that dont just do em and thermal damae
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Sabine Borgia
Amarr
Antares Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.07 23:03:00 -
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3 hardners 1 large rep 1 med rep thats all fill mids with caps and just fight them away no juice probs ever with that setup
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