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Ager Agemo
I N E X T R E M I S
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.12.05 04:03:00 -
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i saw some people mention Wormhole systems are ISK faucets... i fail to see how they are faucets when Sleeper ships and whatever you get on WH systems doesn't creates any ISK. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
91
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Posted - 2011.12.05 04:06:00 -
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Ager Agemo wrote:i saw some people mention Wormhole systems are ISK faucets... i fail to see how they are faucets when Sleeper ships and whatever you get on WH systems doesn't creates any ISK.
Well its faucet with "effort" in this case time or/and research/manufacturing (which is time anyway)
Same goes for rogue drones.
or faction drops
or complex stuff ..
Straight income / viz bounties / mission reward etc. just require less "effort" (read time) to get it.
So figure it out heh.. 
Only market manipulation is not faucet since it does not create ISK from something which has been created. It creates ISK from nothing. Sound interesting, worked well. / * if i dont count obvious sinks ofc. like taxes. |
Gaius Inferis
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.12.05 04:07:00 -
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fixed that for you |
Ager Agemo
I N E X T R E M I S
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.12.05 04:09:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Ager Agemo wrote:i saw some people mention Wormhole systems are ISK faucets... i fail to see how they are faucets when Sleeper ships and whatever you get on WH systems doesn't creates any ISK. Well its faucet with "effort" in this case time or/and research/manufacturing (which is time anyway) Same goes for rogue drones. or faction drops or complex stuff .. Straight income / viz bounties / mission reward etc. just require less "effort" (read time) to get it. So figure it out heh..
there are no missions and no rewards from wormholes... any isk someone gets from WH explotation already existed in game. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1912
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Posted - 2011.12.05 04:11:00 -
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The wormholes themselves aren't. The NPC buy orders for certain bits of sleeper left-overs are.
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
91
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Posted - 2011.12.05 04:13:00 -
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Ager Agemo wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Ager Agemo wrote:i saw some people mention Wormhole systems are ISK faucets... i fail to see how they are faucets when Sleeper ships and whatever you get on WH systems doesn't creates any ISK. Well its faucet with "effort" in this case time or/and research/manufacturing (which is time anyway) Same goes for rogue drones. or faction drops or complex stuff .. Straight income / viz bounties / mission reward etc. just require less "effort" (read time) to get it. So figure it out heh.. there are no missions and no rewards from wormholes... any isk someone gets from WH explotation already existed in game.
Indeed .. that was my point..
But as Tippia said .. probably.. .
expert at things like faucets and sinks. 
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Ager Agemo
I N E X T R E M I S
Fidelas Constans
19
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Posted - 2011.12.05 04:14:00 -
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Tippia wrote:The wormholes themselves aren't. The NPC buy orders for certain bits of sleeper left-overs are.
ahh thanks a lot tippia, gave you a like for a nice answer, didn't knew there were npc orders for sleeper drops...
now wtf why there are still npc buy orders for stuff in eve?! |
Komen
Capital Enrichment Services
41
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Posted - 2011.12.05 04:16:00 -
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The strict definition of an 'isk faucet' is an in-game activity which causes NEW isk to be generated from NPC sources as payout for player effort.
'Blue loot' (sleeper loot drops) do indeed generate some isk, though no more really than L4 missions.
Most of the isk earned from Wormholes is in player trade, selling nanoribbons and such to other players, for isk that is already in game. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
468
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Posted - 2011.12.05 04:19:00 -
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where did you see someone calling WHs isk faucets
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
91
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Posted - 2011.12.05 04:22:00 -
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Komen wrote:The strict definition of an 'isk faucet' is an in-game activity which causes NEW isk to be generated from NPC sources as payout for player effort.
'Blue loot' (sleeper loot drops) do indeed generate some isk, though no more really than L4 missions.
Most of the isk earned from Wormholes is in player trade, selling nanoribbons and such to other players, for isk that is already in game.
People who buying that stuff ?? Where did they get ISKs ??? From *** ... hen and egg.. Someone, somewhere have to come out with that idea to start the whole process.
But Tippia answered .. And i would leave it at that..
Since another discussion about such is pointless.. |
Ager Agemo
I N E X T R E M I S
Fidelas Constans
19
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Posted - 2011.12.05 04:22:00 -
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Morganta wrote:where did you see someone calling WHs isk faucets
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=454262#post454262
NPC buy orders should be totally removed from the game, i don't get why they still exists if there is such a huge amount of players that needs to buy stuff all the time. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
468
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Posted - 2011.12.05 04:31:00 -
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well thats certainly proof positive of the widely held belief that WHs are isk faucets.
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Jovan Geldon
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
195
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Posted - 2011.12.05 04:53:00 -
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Ager Agemo wrote:NPC buy orders should be totally removed from the game, i don't get why they still exists if there is such a huge amount of players that needs to buy stuff all the time.
The Sleeper blue loot is their equivalent of a bounty, since it would be rather silly to have bounties on the heads of individual Sleeper drones. If you remove the NPC buy orders, who's gonna buy that blue loot now? It doesn't *do* anything, so players certainly won't want it.
EDIT:- And if you were planning on replying "Well W-space is profitable enough already, it doesn't need the NPC blue loot buyers" then that's an entirely different arguement altogether and has nothing to do with NPC buy orders. |
Soldarius
Peek-A-Boo Bombers
85
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Posted - 2011.12.05 04:54:00 -
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe an isk faucet is an activity that directly generates isk where none was before. Isk faucets include npc bounties, insurance payouts, and npc buy orders. W-space generates only salvage, loot, and PI, none of which actually enriches your wallet until you sell it to another player for isk which already exists in game.
The opposite, isk sinks, include sovereignty bills, skillbook purchases, LP store payments, and unused insurance.
"How do you kill that which has no life?" |
Sidicarus
Gatica Ltd.
7
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Posted - 2011.12.05 04:57:00 -
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Its not an ISK faucet.
An ISK faucet is when ISK is "poofed" into existence via bounties and mission rewards. Selling a gained item to someone is zero sum, money is simply changing hands, ergo. WH's are not ISK faucets.
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Jovan Geldon
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
195
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Posted - 2011.12.05 05:05:00 -
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...did the two posters above me even read the thread, or have the first clue about w-space?
There are fixed NPC buy orders for the blue loot dropped by every Sleeper. This blue loot of a fixed quantity and type every time, and varies by ship class. It is the equivalent of a bounty, except with the added hassle of having to haul it out to k-space to sell. This particular facet of w-space is an ISK faucet. |
Sidicarus
Gatica Ltd.
7
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Posted - 2011.12.05 05:10:00 -
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Jovan Geldon wrote:...did the two posters above me even read the thread, or have the first clue about w-space?
There are fixed NPC buy orders for the blue loot dropped by every Sleeper. This blue loot of a fixed quantity and type every time, and varies by ship class. It is the equivalent of a bounty, except with the added hassle of having to haul it out to k-space to sell. This particular facet of w-space is an ISK faucet.
If that's the case then, yeah, I was wrong. Wasn't aware that there were NPC buy orders for Sleeper stuff, thought it all went into T3 production.
And in that case, I also agree that its flawed and very Eve Online circa 2005.
-If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions?
Scott Adams
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Selinate
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Posted - 2011.12.05 05:57:00 -
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since I never noticed this isk faucet in comparison to ribbons and the income I get from them, I hardly think it's really that important... |
Marcanious
0be Trading
0
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Posted - 2011.12.05 09:07:00 -
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The Isk faucet isnt the blue loot dropping from the sleepers.
The isk faucet is the actual NPC buy orders for said blue loot |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
39
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Posted - 2011.12.05 11:03:00 -
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WH also have good explorations sites to run aka ABC ores in them. As well as good planets for PI. Also helps that a drake then tengu can solo the lower lvl WHs. |
Zendon Taredi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2011.12.05 11:10:00 -
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wh "tags" are sold to npc buy orders. |
Hathrul
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD
Narwhals Ate My Duck
15
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Posted - 2011.12.05 11:14:00 -
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problem is that if the npc buyorders for the blue loot were gone wh space would be worthless. Nano ribbons are a nice extra but just a minor part of the income from the (higher class) sleeper sites. and for those who mention abc: lol. mining isnt worth the effort, not even with full abc ores in wh space
blue loot is the majority of the income from sleeper space. though i can agree it should be changed, removing it at this moment would kill wormhole space as a viable living ground. |
Hauling Hal
The Black Ops
26
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Posted - 2011.12.05 11:51:00 -
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Hathrul wrote:problem is that if the npc buyorders for the blue loot were gone wh space would be worthless. Nano ribbons are a nice extra but just a minor part of the income from the (higher class) sleeper sites. and for those who mention abc: lol. mining isnt worth the effort, not even with full abc ores in wh space
blue loot is the majority of the income from sleeper space. though i can agree it should be changed, removing it at this moment would kill wormhole space as a viable living ground.
Blue loot for C2s equates to about 30% of the total value of the nanoribbons and other items sold to players. i.e. If you sell 10 million ISK worth of stuff at Jita you'll have approx 3 mill ISK of stuff to sell to NPCs. This ratio does change depending on the WH Class, as Hathrul has stated. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2011.12.05 12:14:00 -
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Blue loot is CCP's way of giving Sleepers a bounty.
Ideas and stuff
EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
664
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Posted - 2011.12.05 12:53:00 -
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I wonder how long this thread about a non-issue will continue?
Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
Tallianna Avenkarde
Beasts of Burden
128
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Posted - 2011.12.05 13:29:00 -
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Ingvar Angst wrote:I wonder how long this thread about a non-issue will continue?
This is the thread that never ends,
It just goes on and on my friend,
Some people, started posting it
not knowing what w-space was,
and they'll continue posting it forever
JUST BECAUSE!
And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |
Lisa Starblazer
Defiant..
Narwhals Ate My Duck
0
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Posted - 2011.12.05 16:33:00 -
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Non issue.
No mission/bounty/incursion reward in wh space, blue sleeper drops are just a rpish way of rewarding same activity.
Now, where's the thread about removing mission / rat bounty facets? |
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