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Kalq Later Caldari Solar Wind Productions	Posted - 2006.11.07 03:39:00 - [1] Now you know it ;)
Mimiru Gallente BIG Advanced Assault R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.07 03:41:00 - [2] my district doesnt use em darn. I was going to change them all to write ins for the fonz --------- Join my corp! shoot people!
dennyreborn	Posted - 2006.11.07 04:52:00 - [3] 1. nowadays only ghetto's and inner cities use diebold. 2.and why it would be nice for a 90% African American turn out for the republican party. I doubt any election office allows computer hackers to access their memory cards.
Gindar Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom iPOD Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.07 04:56:00 - [4] WTF!! time to go kick some ****** grrrr that makes me mad. im in hillsorough county and i personally used one to vote early. does this mean they used a hacked card to change the votes in favor of bush in 2000?
Mitten Caldari SAS Strike Team	Posted - 2006.11.07 05:19:00 - [5] Edited by: Mitten on 07/11/2006 05:20:33 ...nm wrong topic -- Nerfed Siggy... Signature removed - Please resize your signature graphic to be smaller than 24,000 bytes in filesize - Jacques([email protected])
dennyreborn	Posted - 2006.11.07 05:21:00 - [6] again only if your county is dumb enough to let hackers supply their cards. I don't know about your county but Denton county Texas keeps all voting machines under lock and key. not to mention this would require then then Clinton government to want to change votes to BUSH?? then again AL gore claiming to have invented the internet most likely put off Clinton since net nerds never get the girls.
Muthsera S.A.S	Posted - 2006.11.07 06:16:00 - [7] Does this account for the irragularities in the 2004 exit polls? And the final outcome? I tbh don't think this is beyond rebublican sympatisers. When you belive to strongly in a candidate you might end up whit some really strange situations. But this however whould mean a serius organiced pre activity to actually change the outcome. And leads me to think that manual counting should be manditory. This is kinda like the 19th century where everyone belived the secret societies runned the world from behind a secret curtain. Personally. I do not really know what to belive about this. I see the potential for it to actually happend. But then again. That doesn't mean it actually did. Though the secret societies had an impact on the deals made in the 19th century. It's very unlikely it actually manifested itself so strongly that it actually could dictate world politics. Same goes for this. It might have happend. But it whould mean that all the counting mashines had been pre rigged. In every disputed county there was. I whould imagine that whould be a fairly large number in total. What it boils down to though. Is if you actually want to belive that sertain elements of rebublicans actually allied itself whit ppl who could have carried out such pre arrangements. Or if you chose to belive that pro moralism and deep fundamental christian belifs actually secured Bush his victory. You got to look at this in a context. As former president Clinton use to say. Even though Bush might have won under shady sircumstances. Other elements whould have needed to be in place to actually secure him the victory. To me however. This really just shows the backside of the two party system. In my mind that needs to go. That is a hole other story though Even though as I said. That I can see sertain elements could have done this. I highly doubt it actually happend. I reserve the right to change my mind if new proof should come into light. Rabble
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.07 06:23:00 - [8] Originally by: Muthsera Does this account for the irragularities in the 2004 exit polls? And the final outcome? Doesn't matter. Today, it is quite possible for a single person to steal an entire state's election without any connections or resources. All they would need would be a few online guides, hacking skills, and most of all, a lack of morals. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Muthsera S.A.S	Posted - 2006.11.07 07:23:00 - [9] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Muthsera Does this account for the irragularities in the 2004 exit polls? And the final outcome? Doesn't matter. Today, it is quite possible for a single person to steal an entire state's election without any connections or resources. All they would need would be a few online guides, hacking skills, and most of all, a lack of morals. Look. Where there is a will and a way. Things can happen. There is no such thing as impossible. I find it odd though. That the exit polls and the final outcome was so far apart. And yes that whould be a conspiracy theory that rebublicans organiced from the top down. To rig this election. The fact that the ceo of diebold is a fierce republican to, and have dubius statements to. Doesn't help either to calm it either. I think it's odd. And I've wondered about it for a long time. But to me I reserve judgement until futher evidence is put forward. As it is now. I think it's very odd. But unlikely. Rabble
Ikarushka A.O.U. Corp	Posted - 2006.11.07 07:25:00 - [10] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Muthsera Does this account for the irragularities in the 2004 exit polls? And the final outcome? Doesn't matter. Today, it is quite possible for a single person to steal an entire state's election without any connections or resources. All they would need would be a few online guides, hacking skills, and most of all, a lack of morals. that's politics and power, I am rather sure that there are no morals around there... on topic: I guess it doesn't matter for me much, since I live in the God **** Texas and don't like the republican party but that's really crazy ----------------------------------------- Your ad could be here :)

Nikolai Nuvolari Caldari Gilead's Bullet Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.11.07 09:38:00 - [11] --------------------- Originally by: Herko Kerghans Nik = win. Period. Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2006.11.07 13:10:00 - [12] It's astonishing to me that people realise the obvious potential for rigging in this and yet do nothing.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.07 13:45:00 - [13] Originally by: Gamer4liff It's astonishing to me that people realise the obvious potential for rigging in this and yet do nothing. The scariest thing is that while its quite possible for one person in charge (i.e. Diebold executive, etc) to rig the election, which is not surprising, it is just as possible for anyone else to rig the election. There are even guides online. Even if you have no hacking skills whatsoever, here's what you do: 1. Download the program to turn a voting smartcard into a Supervisor card. Put it on your PDA. 2. Go to the voting place. 3. Get the card, go behind the curtain. 4. Quickly put the card in your PDA and turn it into a Supervisor card with the click of a button. 5. Put it in the machine. You'll need a PIN--good thing all the machines have the same PIN number, 1111. 6. Delete or add votes as you choose. If you want, everyone in your precinct can vote for Cthulu. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Suze'Rain	Posted - 2006.11.07 15:28:00 - [14] Originally by: Dark Shikari 6. Delete or add votes as you choose. If you want, everyone in your precinct can vote for Cthulu. well, why vote for the lesser evil?
Frezik Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap	Posted - 2006.11.07 18:39:00 - [15] Originally by: dennyreborn again only if your county is dumb enough to let hackers supply their cards. I don't know about your county but Denton county Texas keeps all voting machines under lock and key. There are demonstratable cases of corrupt election officials throughout the history of American democracy. However, their effect is rarely enough to swing the entire vote. Where they become a problem is in very tight races where a +/- 2% change in the vote is enough. There are ways to make a machine reasonably tamper-proof. In fact, Diebold should be one of the authorities on tamper-proof electronics, since they also make ATMs. However, they apparently keep their ATM and election machine divisions seperate, so lessons learned in making ATMs never spill over.
Alejandro Zapata Minmatar PAK	Posted - 2006.11.07 19:59:00 - [16] Edited by: Alejandro Zapata on 07/11/2006 20:00:30 You would THINK that they could implement some kind of lock on the machine's card slot, or even a function that causes the machine to turn off if it is tampered with. But then you could always have someone placed within strategic voting districts that has access to the locking mechanisms or keys. IF it is true, and this isn't some scam or stunt, and Diebold can't explain it and fix it, then they need to go back to the Mark 1 Eyeball system of counting with observers over each of the counters. What date was this video released? I am curious as to why more news outlets haven't jumped on this. EDIT: just did a search and found the story BURIED in the Science and Technology section of the ABC News website. Guess celebrity births are more important.
Border201 Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.07 23:36:00 - [17] The problem is a lack of control. If you want to make something temper proof then you need to remove the human eliment. Meaning the memory cards are stored in a locked place where 2 keys are needed to open. 1 to the democrats and 1 to the republicans or some other opposing group(s) this way no one person is alone with the cards and further no single group is alone with the cards. Secondly all cards that get used need to have a simple test run put in, with a hand count of the test to confirm the card hasn't been tempered with. Even if you view the first part of my post as to extream the second part is certianly reasonable. tin foil hat on no matter what we do though to ensure that the vote is fair we will never have 100% convidence tin foil hat off Originally by: Tuxford once tried to kick my brother when I had my pants around my ankle. Probably not my brightest moments
Dee Ellis	Posted - 2006.11.07 23:48:00 - [18] Like it mattered before..
Kurren Farscape Mining	Posted - 2006.11.08 01:12:00 - [19] Ummm... politics... not... allowed... I realize this thread was started over a voting technique... but, look what it quickly steam-rolled into. So... IN BEFORE THE LOCK!! --- --- --- --- My Sig Is Not Too Big...
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.11.08 02:25:00 - [20] Edited by: mazzilliu on 08/11/2006 02:25:57 good god how hard is it for them to count ffs people are dumb 1000% awesome guide to logging out

Cat Casidy CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.08 04:15:00 - [21] The OP's link is a short clip of a full 2 hour documentary that was on HBO over the weekend, cant find the name offhand but very , enlightening, informative, scary. I'll post the linkie if i can find it.....Linkage Almost certainly nominated for something somewhere
zeKzn Empire of Destiny	Posted - 2006.11.08 05:07:00 - [22] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari concise summary of the thread, in image form we have a winner. my thoughts are my own and do not represent the thoughts of my corp
dennyreborn	Posted - 2006.11.08 05:31:00 - [23] Originally by: Border201 The problem is a lack of control. If you want to make something temper proof then you need to remove the human eliment. Meaning the memory cards are stored in a locked place where 2 keys are needed to open. 1 to the democrats and 1 to the republicans or some other opposing group(s) this way no one person is alone with the cards and further no single group is alone with the cards. Secondly all cards that get used need to have a simple test run put in, with a hand count of the test to confirm the card hasn't been tempered with. Even if you view the first part of my post as to extream the second part is certianly reasonable. tin foil hat on no matter what we do though to ensure that the vote is fair we will never have 100% convidence tin foil hat off actually they are. this video made it seem like everyone can get these memory cards and place them into the machine. in fact the machines and the memory cards are no where near the place of voting. Anytime the cards or machines are touched representatives of not just both the major parties but several minors parties and with a earlier enough request average joe off the street may watch the process. the guy talking about exit poll difference. Well put people on a camera and ask them how they voted they tend to lie.
solidshot Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.11.08 08:44:00 - [24] There has been claims in the past that they have installed "secret" patches to these machines linkeh

Laurelin1420 Gallente Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.11.08 17:44:00 - [25] Political .... Click Forum Rules I stole your sheep, and traded them for a cookie!- Tirg Oh noes , the evil of Tirg! - Laurelin



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