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Max Singularity
House Singularity
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Posted - 2015.05.05 04:35:48 -
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/header Single channel broadcast from Amarr - Amarr VIII (Oris), Emperor Family Academy
/body There are those that have missed my Sermons in the Temple and for that, all is well as we tend our ships, markets, battles, and/or wheat fields as in my wishful case. How I miss my estate to run my palm over the tops of the Golden Wheat of Amarr. But alas...
Chapter 1: Those that talk of the Sixth Empire talk as if it is something that does not exist yet in duality... it does.
They talk of the Sixth Empire as if it is...
Something that you, others, or alliances must join.
Something that one must declare allegiance to.
Something that has a goal.
Something that must be governed or ruled. etc. etc. etc.
The Sixth Empire is nothing (and more) of those things above!
We as Capsuleers make up the 'de-facto' Sixth Empire be it The Imperium, The Northern Coalition, Legion of xXDEATHXx, Neutral States, N3, and even Providence Bloc. It is the Capsuleers that make up Null Space, LowSec Space, and HighSec Space with the only optional inclusion are those residing away from the madness with the Sleepers. Bless their hearts.
The Sixth Empire is not a thing... it is a state of being, a federation of enemies, a republic of violence, an empire of love.
The only exit from the Sixth Empire is the termination into the endless biomass that is our only escape.
Chapter Two: So what are the aspirations of the Sixth Empire? None. Please see Chapter 1.
Chapter Three: The Sixth Empire is rising. Not as a thing, but as an idea. A realization. We as the Sixth Empire have a chance in front of us right now. Freedom. Not just the slaves of Amarr, not just the downtrodden of the Caldari, not just the homeless of the Gallente, and not just the victims of murderous Minmatar rage. These are ALL FORMS OF SLAVERY in New Eden.
We as Capsuleers have a chance. We have a chance! A chance to bring order to our mortal Mothers and Grandmothers that gave birth to us. The Amarr People held that vision high once upon a time. But that vision has been darkened and blurred. The promise of hope, has not availed itself to us, as indicated by these perilous age.
Chapter Four: At the Symposium of Emergent Threats... the main talks were the clear and present danger of the Drifters. Yet, in a few public forums, in private meetings, during drunken bar roams the talk of OTHER threats were presented.
There is a cure to Vitoxin and it is Insorum. However, the last few years after the current Empress gave her Emancipation Speach that is now known as a ruse... dark Amarr corporations have created new strains of Vitoxin! Strains of Vitoxin for which there is no cure, or worse, no Vitox that can contain it. THINK OF THAT. Anyone be they Capsuleer or Mortal alike are in jeopordy of dieing a powerfully painful death. Blame ye not of the Jove, for the dark greedy power shadows are now a threat to everything we know. This must not be. What God would allow it?
The Good People of Amarr have a chance to save humankind.
The Amarr people had a great promise once upon a time for they saw a different way of Nexum that has devolved into slavery.
This is not the way.
Freedom needs to be an inalienable human right.
Chapter Five:
It's time. Question me. Question Jamyl. Question authority.
It's time. The Sixth Empire is here, as Capsuleer, you can only biomass away from it. That is your choice.
Footnote: For me, I chose not these titles. My name is Max. I'm a wheat farmer. Those that do not care for what I have to say, I say this... I wish I was not this messenger too and I would take your wish that I return to my estate. But alas, there is a coming storm, may we all survive. I love you.
/end transmission
Harbinger of Faith his Holiness Maximilian Singularity of the Sixth Empire, Pope of New Eden
-First of his name-
((My doctors try to tell me Eve is not real... pffft... I've seen the YouTube Video. Eve is Real))
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Graelyn
Tzedakah Aegis Militia
740
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Posted - 2015.05.05 04:55:42 -
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Sounds like the 6th 'Empire' is a big puddle of chaos, unless there is some other way to describe the Unbound (my term for capsuleer...what a clunky term that has always been).
I do not dismiss your arguments of late as quickly as most, but there is an exit from such a 'state' as you put it; a personal refusal to be apart of it.
One is not a component of your 'emerging idea' unless one chooses to be.
Cardinal Graelyn
Owner/Operator, "The Summit"
AM Conclave, Speaker
Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
"Am I losing touch? No. It is the children who are wrong."
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Bel Boma
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
45
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Posted - 2015.05.05 05:01:33 -
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Just... Stop. |
Max Singularity
House Singularity
110
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Posted - 2015.05.05 05:06:01 -
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Graelyn wrote:... a personal refusal to be apart of it. One is not a component of your 'emerging idea' unless one chooses to be.
Aye, you can choose not to be a part of it. Run, and youGÇÖll liveGǪ for at least a while. While you watch your children die in painful screams. You can never die as we are immortal, and for all eternity you will look back upon this Age of Redemption and you would give anything, to come back here and tell our enemies that they can take our PODS but they will never take our FREEDOM!!!
Harbinger of Faith his Holiness Maximilian Singularity of the Sixth Empire, Pope of New Eden
-First of his name-
((My doctors try to tell me Eve is not real... pffft... I've seen the YouTube Video. Eve is Real))
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Graelyn
Tzedakah Aegis Militia
740
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Posted - 2015.05.05 05:46:23 -
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I can't say you've really convinced me there...
Cardinal Graelyn
Owner/Operator, "The Summit"
AM Conclave, Speaker
Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
"Am I losing touch? No. It is the children who are wrong."
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Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
1771
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Posted - 2015.05.05 12:57:47 -
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Max Singularity wrote:/ ... Question me. ...
Umm... Ok Fact: You are a puppet of Mittens
Akrasjel Lanate
Member of Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Citizen of Solitude
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Wendrika Hydreiga
336
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Posted - 2015.05.05 13:24:44 -
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For the Emperor! Yes! |
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
7571
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Posted - 2015.05.05 14:09:07 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Max Singularity wrote:/ ... Question me. ...
Umm... Ok Fact: You are a puppet of Mittens
That doesn't actually retract from his point though, you really should question everything.
I quite like the post, even if the religiosity is cranked a bit too high for my tastes.
Fear and Loathing in Internet Spaceships
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Feu dAstres
Nox Draconum Holding Corp Nox Draconum
31
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Posted - 2015.05.05 14:10:44 -
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I tried calling Jamyl with some questions ... but all I got was a busy signal. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1466
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Posted - 2015.05.05 14:22:28 -
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You speak a lot about freedom. You try to win hearts and minds by promoting it. Yet the only people you will convert with your promises are those not of Amarr. Foreigners, capsuleers, people who care more about their own selfish desires than any higher cause.
It is clear that you never learned humility, Max Singularity. To submit to things greater than yourself, to give of yourself instead of take. Servitude is a blessed, holy thing. As written in Scripture, all things serve one higher.
Slavery exists in Amarr because humanity is sinful. When free of our shackles we fall to our base impulses, we become consumed by temptations. Capsuleers are already the epitome of freedom, and what we have done with it? Unchecked greed, violence, and hedonism. Billions die every year from the rampant destruction of capsuleers.The cluster is descending into a dark age. But it is not caused by the empires. It is caused by capsuleers. It is caused by the people you would give even more power to. You are not only a heretic, you are a fool.
Shackles are needed. The enemies of the inside must be controlled. We are all tainted creatures, capsuleers more than anyone. We need to be bound and chained so that we do not give in to temptation and evil. Freedom is not a right, it is a privilege, one that must be earned through proving our purity, temperance, and responsibility. Freedom can only be given to those who have demonstrated their ability to overcome the Deceiver's lies. Capsuleers have not proven that. Capsuleers have instead proven that we are some of the most foul monsters to roam this universe. We destroyed a century of peace and ruined the lives of trillions of people. We deserve the strongest chains of all.
The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited. Be Careful. Pure Thought is the Instigator of Sin. Be Watchful. Free Thought is the Begetter of Disorder. Be Respectful. Uniform Thought is the Way of Life. The Mercy of our Emperor is Limitless. His Rule is Benign and Righteous. His Love is Perpetual. - The Code of Demeanor
"Embrace those who would learn, defeat those who would make mockery of God's way. Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away."
-- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur
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ValentinaDLM
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
645
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Posted - 2015.05.05 15:24:23 -
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Ah Samira once again proving that with enough internalized self loathing you can justify anything even the mass enslvament and cultural genocide of an entire race. It doesn't even make me angry anymore it just pains my heart when I see my brothers and sisters hate themselves this much. |
Tyrel Toov
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
338
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Posted - 2015.05.05 15:50:02 -
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Feu dAstres wrote:I tried calling Jamyl with some questions ... but all I got was a busy signal. Sorry, she gets drunk sometimes and calls my adult chat line. Spends hours talking dirty to one of my baseline operators, then hours more crying...... I would cut her off, but it's good money.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
4774
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Posted - 2015.05.05 16:39:07 -
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All of us choose what and who we serve - even those who choose to serve themselves.
There is no storm coming. The storm has been here for centuries. For millenia. We are not a new form of life, any more than those with an education were a new form of life centuries ago. Any more than our distant ancestors, coming from who knows where, were a different form of life millenia ago.
I've chosen who I'll serve. I know which side of the fight is mine. I believe my cause is just and my people strong enough and if this turns out not to be the case?
And how can man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers and the temples of his gods?"
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Maria Daphiti
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
32
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Posted - 2015.05.05 17:39:17 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:Feu dAstres wrote:I tried calling Jamyl with some questions ... but all I got was a busy signal. Sorry, she gets drunk sometimes and calls my adult chat line. Spends hours talking dirty to one of my baseline operators, then hours more crying...... I would cut her off, but it's good money.
*narrows her eyes* We should meet in low sec sometime Tyrel.
Empress Jamyl I would never do such a horrid thing. |
Tyrel Toov
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
339
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Posted - 2015.05.05 17:57:56 -
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Maria Daphiti wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:Feu dAstres wrote:I tried calling Jamyl with some questions ... but all I got was a busy signal. Sorry, she gets drunk sometimes and calls my adult chat line. Spends hours talking dirty to one of my baseline operators, then hours more crying...... I would cut her off, but it's good money. *narrows her eyes* We should meet in low sec sometime Tyrel. Empress Jamyl I would never do such a horrid thing. Hey, she's a woman with needs, who am I do deny her an outlet?
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Maria Daphiti
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
32
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Posted - 2015.05.05 18:03:35 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:Maria Daphiti wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:Feu dAstres wrote:I tried calling Jamyl with some questions ... but all I got was a busy signal. Sorry, she gets drunk sometimes and calls my adult chat line. Spends hours talking dirty to one of my baseline operators, then hours more crying...... I would cut her off, but it's good money. *narrows her eyes* We should meet in low sec sometime Tyrel. Empress Jamyl I would never do such a horrid thing. Hey, she's a woman with needs, who am I do deny her an outlet?
I am not continuing this discussion here.
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Tyrel Toov
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
339
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Posted - 2015.05.05 18:07:15 -
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Maria Daphiti wrote: I am not continuing this discussion here.
Bye o/
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Markus Error
Her Majesty's Crown Corporation
36
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Posted - 2015.05.05 18:10:33 -
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He's got a point, Pilot Daphiti.
As to the Amarrians' unique mix of self-loathing and cultural narcissism, I have always wondered how one functions while simultaneiously believing you're impure and horrible ('Humanity are all sinners',) and that you're destined to own New Eden ('The Chosen of God, etc.').
Pator IV - Moon 6 - School of Hard Knocks
Prof. Markus 'Error' Sierra, Cynicism Deptartment
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
4779
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Posted - 2015.05.05 18:12:25 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:Maria Daphiti wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:Feu dAstres wrote:I tried calling Jamyl with some questions ... but all I got was a busy signal. Sorry, she gets drunk sometimes and calls my adult chat line. Spends hours talking dirty to one of my baseline operators, then hours more crying...... I would cut her off, but it's good money. *narrows her eyes* We should meet in low sec sometime Tyrel. Empress Jamyl I would never do such a horrid thing. Hey, she's a woman with needs, who am I do deny her an outlet?
When the Empress has needs I hear she just ****s a fleet of Minmatar capital ships.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Markus Error
Her Majesty's Crown Corporation
36
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Posted - 2015.05.05 18:15:30 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:Maria Daphiti wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:Feu dAstres wrote:I tried calling Jamyl with some questions ... but all I got was a busy signal. Sorry, she gets drunk sometimes and calls my adult chat line. Spends hours talking dirty to one of my baseline operators, then hours more crying...... I would cut her off, but it's good money. *narrows her eyes* We should meet in low sec sometime Tyrel. Empress Jamyl I would never do such a horrid thing. Hey, she's a woman with needs, who am I do deny her an outlet? When the Empress has needs I hear she just ****s a fleet of Minmatar capital ships. Well, yeah, but I doubt one can simply pull an entire fleet out of their rear end every time they feel the urge, as it were.
If you can, I'm uncertain if concern or amusement is called for.
Pator IV - Moon 6 - School of Hard Knocks
Prof. Markus 'Error' Sierra, Cynicism Deptartment
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
4779
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Posted - 2015.05.05 18:35:04 -
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Markus Error wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote: Hey, she's a woman with needs, who am I do deny her an outlet?
When the Empress has needs I hear she just ****s a fleet of Minmatar capital ships. Well, yeah, but I doubt one can simply pull an entire fleet out of their rear end every time they feel the urge, as it were. If you can, I'm uncertain if concern or amusement is called for.
Well, Tyrel there claimed to be able to scratch her itch and it's not like Ushra'khan't can summon a fleet of Minmatar capital ships either, is it?
Maker. This stuff just writes itself.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Tyrel Toov
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
339
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Posted - 2015.05.05 18:36:29 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:Maria Daphiti wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:Feu dAstres wrote:I tried calling Jamyl with some questions ... but all I got was a busy signal. Sorry, she gets drunk sometimes and calls my adult chat line. Spends hours talking dirty to one of my baseline operators, then hours more crying...... I would cut her off, but it's good money. *narrows her eyes* We should meet in low sec sometime Tyrel. Empress Jamyl I would never do such a horrid thing. Hey, she's a woman with needs, who am I do deny her an outlet? When the Empress has needs I hear she just ****s a fleet of Minmatar capital ships. Well, that's hardly sanitary. I do hope she has her tetanus shots....
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Tyrel Toov
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
339
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Posted - 2015.05.05 19:10:14 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Markus Error wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote: Hey, she's a woman with needs, who am I do deny her an outlet?
When the Empress has needs I hear she just ****s a fleet of Minmatar capital ships. Well, yeah, but I doubt one can simply pull an entire fleet out of their rear end every time they feel the urge, as it were. If you can, I'm uncertain if concern or amusement is called for. Well, Tyrel there claimed to be able to scratch her itch and it's not like Ushra'khan't can summon a fleet of Minmatar capital ships either, is it? Maker. This stuff just writes itself. Just because we don't doesn't mean we can't. They're literally the easiest ships to make, we just scrape some rust off an old station l, slap some engines on it, and poof: Capital ship.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Markus Error
Her Majesty's Crown Corporation
36
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Posted - 2015.05.05 19:46:28 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Markus Error wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote: Hey, she's a woman with needs, who am I do deny her an outlet?
When the Empress has needs I hear she just ****s a fleet of Minmatar capital ships. Well, yeah, but I doubt one can simply pull an entire fleet out of their rear end every time they feel the urge, as it were. If you can, I'm uncertain if concern or amusement is called for. Well, Tyrel there claimed to be able to scratch her itch and it's not like Ushra'khan't can summon a fleet of Minmatar capital ships either, is it? Maker. This stuff just writes itself. Just because we don't doesn't mean we can't. They're literally the easiest ships to make, we just scrape some rust off an old station l, slap some engines on it, and poof: Capital ship. Matari engineering at its finest. No better in the cluster.
Pator IV - Moon 6 - School of Hard Knocks
Prof. Markus 'Error' Sierra, Cynicism Deptartment
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Merdaneth
Tzedakah Aegis Militia
360
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Posted - 2015.05.05 21:40:58 -
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Mr. Singularity,
In your position I would suggest that you find someone to write your speeches for you. Considering the forces that are pulling your strings, I have no doubt they an make a number of good writers available to you.
Try and understand your role in the conflict and act like it. It will make things go smoother for you. |
Tyrel Toov
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
341
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Posted - 2015.05.05 22:15:51 -
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Merdaneth wrote:Mr. Singularity,
In your position I would suggest that you find someone to write your speeches for you. Considering the forces that are pulling your strings, I have no doubt they an make a number of good writers available to you.
Try and understand your role in the conflict and act like it. It will make things go smoother for you. (( OOC : Meanwhile, in CFC / Imperium comms they're prepairing ))
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Max Singularity
House Singularity
115
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Posted - 2015.05.05 23:21:47 -
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Merdaneth wrote:Mr. Singularity,
In your position I would suggest that you find someone to write your speeches for you.
Good advice. Wish I had one. Is there a temp agency?
Merdaneth wrote:Considering the forces that are pulling your strings, I have no doubt they an make a number of good writers available to you.
Hmmm... assumptions. Wrong assumptions are assumptions.
Merdaneth wrote:Try and understand your role in the conflict and act like it. It will make things go smoother for you.
Also good advice, try to understand your role in the conflict. All in good time... all in good time... I don't do smooth. Thanks for your input.
Be bold pilot.
Harbinger of Faith his Holiness Maximilian Singularity of the Sixth Empire, Pope of New Eden
-First of his name-
((My doctors try to tell me Eve is not real... pffft... I've seen the YouTube Video. Eve is Real))
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Tyrel Toov
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
343
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Posted - 2015.05.06 00:08:08 -
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Max Singularity wrote:I don't do smooth. Max, I've seen some of the ladies that hang around with you. Are you sure you don't do smooth?
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Jvpiter
Jovelike
3567
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Posted - 2015.05.06 00:48:31 -
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The old Empress is a sham. Max is the new Empress.
The image of a prophylactic being blown up like a balloon comes to mind...
Call me Joe.
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Max Singularity
House Singularity
115
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Posted - 2015.05.06 05:45:10 -
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Jvpiter wrote: You call yourself a leader...
Citation needed.
I lead no one because there is no one behind my back that I'm in front of.
Not one of these titles I have is self proclaimed. Not a single one. I have been offered hundreds of billions for these unique robes I wear that were bequeathed to me by our fellow Capsuleers. If I were to sell them, no amount of money would ever get them back, ever. If I were to take off these titles... the same.
All I ask is one thing...
We as Amarrians do have a right to legally and peacefully call the Emperor Family and Theology Council with the aid of the Speakers of Truth to look into the legitimacy of Jamyl Sarum 1 reign. This is our right as a free and just people, yet this simple message is met with false accusations to my cause.
According to The Scope broadcast, on my behalf The Imperium asked the Emperor Family and Theology Council and did they come back with a determinant defense of their Empress. No. They were not even silent, in fact, they REFUSED to comment. This has never happened before. Why?
Because it's time.
I lead no one but my own house. Do not confuse people standing by my side in just cause as leadership for I know to well and humbly my position, and role.
There is no citation.
Harbinger of Faith his Holiness Maximilian Singularity of the Sixth Empire, Pope of New Eden
-First of his name-
((My doctors try to tell me Eve is not real... pffft... I've seen the YouTube Video. Eve is Real))
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Jvpiter
Jovelike
3569
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Posted - 2015.05.06 06:12:15 -
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Max Singularity wrote:Jvpiter wrote: You call yourself a leader... Citation needed.
Your title which you declare right beneath all your communications is the citation. A 'pope', by definition, is the foremost leader.
If a wheat farmer is all you are, then put that in your universal declaration instead.
Call me Joe.
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Merdaneth
Tzedakah Aegis Militia
360
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Posted - 2015.05.06 17:11:26 -
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Max Singularity wrote:
Not one of these titles I have is self proclaimed. Not a single one.
That was never my claim. However, a true and honest man should refuse to wear titles others bestow upon him, if he doesn't feel worthy to carry said titles.
As for those who bestowed the titles, rest assured I am dealing with them.
Max Singularity wrote: I have been offered hundreds of billions for these unique robes I wear that were bequeathed to me by our fellow Capsuleers.
It seems to me that your dresscode is one of your biggest talents. However, I am of the opinion that a proper dresscode is an insufficient qualification for the titles bestowed upon you. Don't you agree?
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Vulxanis Viceroy
Offworld Trading Company Ethical Carnage
217
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Posted - 2015.05.07 03:09:16 -
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A disturbing show of ignorance of your own people and disastrous display of heresy.
Your words show a lack of education, and reek of an oblivious air of runaway unfounded idealism.
Even if you can corrupt the minds of capsuleers who compare themselves to insects and take pride in it, that does not give your words validity.
And you are surprised when Amarr faithful reject you. Pitiful.
Fide et honore.
Curious about Roleplay in EVE? Message me & I'll help you!
(IC note: Vulxanis only responds to "Lord Draconis".)
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Max Singularity
House Singularity
118
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Posted - 2015.05.07 04:10:26 -
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Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:
And you are surprised when Amarr faithful reject you. Pitiful.
Citation needed.
I'm not surprised, for the poison of corruption runs deep within this Empire now, but that was not always the case.
Nor do I have to have any concurrence, nor do I need any agreement from any Mortal or Capsuleer alike.
This theater is attempting to focus on me, a flawed human that is far from God. This is all Sarumite brainwashed tactics to defer the cause at hand and dilute my message, my questions...
The question I bear to ask... Sarum, where is thy hope the Harbinger of Hope was promised to avail?
Why are the Drifters here now? Why did you desecrate the Wormhole stations of the sleepers? Why did you harvest the bodies? Why did you unleash a second species of immortals of violence upon the lands? Why (and who) are the Elders and why did they come for you? How did she survive the Shathol'Syn?
Her right to rule is simply a question for the Speakers of Truth, and the Theology Council. My questions have caused me no discomfort of my butt as it has for others.
Chide me all thee want. Kill me if you can, for I shall rise again. Make fun of the boil under my left arm pit as it grows hair of its own. <--- Now that hurts my feelings.
There is no Citation. Only my questions.
Harbinger of Faith his Holiness Maximilian Singularity of the Sixth Empire, Pope of New Eden
-First of his name-
((My doctors try to tell me Eve is not real... pffft... I've seen the YouTube Video. Eve is Real))
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Soren Tyrhanos
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
76
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Posted - 2015.05.07 04:13:20 -
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Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:A disturbing show of ignorance of your own people and disastrous display of heresy.
Your words show a lack of education, and reek of an oblivious air of runaway unfounded idealism.
Even if you can corrupt the minds of capsuleers who compare themselves to insects and take pride in it, that does not give your words validity.
And you are surprised when Amarr faithful reject you. Pitiful.
We do reject him. Reject him and his twisted dogma with everything we are as 'loyal' Amarr.
The longer I live, and I have live quite the span of years already with many more on the horizon, the more it become apparent that it is the natural state of the human mind to suffer the curse of ignorance, and that there are many who will defend its sanctity as if expecting you to be impressed with their efforts.
Frankly I am not impressed by this japery. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
672
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Posted - 2015.05.07 04:21:29 -
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Max Singularity wrote:Make fun of the boil under my left arm pit as it grows hair of its own. <--- Now that hurts my feelings. You will hear insult from remarks on your physical faults, such as they are ...
... but none from the sheer numbers people who are going to be killed in your name ...
... in vain ... (and you know why it will be in vain)
...
... respectfully, sir, I think your priorities are pretty messed up.
Maybe that's because I'm just a naive child who hasn't quite learned to live as a capsuleer again.
... or maybe it's because I haven't yet lost my soul a second time. |
Max Singularity
House Singularity
118
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Posted - 2015.05.07 04:50:29 -
[37] - Quote
A storm is coming.
Wars unlike any before are but moments at hand.
Only a few thee focus not on the 'root cause', but upon me.
Tis not be the Sleepers who are truly asleep.
Harbinger of Faith his Holiness Maximilian Singularity of the Sixth Empire, Pope of New Eden
-First of his name-
((My doctors try to tell me Eve is not real... pffft... I've seen the YouTube Video. Eve is Real))
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
1696
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Posted - 2015.05.07 09:24:23 -
[38] - Quote
Am I the only one looking forward to any future discussions on the IGS between Vaari and Max Singularity? Truly it would a clash between Amarrian Titans. |
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
958
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Posted - 2015.05.07 11:27:50 -
[39] - Quote
Max Singularity wrote:
The question I bear to ask... Sarum, where is thy hope the Harbinger of Hope was promised to avail?
Why are the Drifters here now? Why did you desecrate the Wormhole stations of the sleepers? Why did you harvest the bodies? Why did you unleash a second species of immortals of violence upon the lands? Why (and who) are the Elders and why did they come for you? How did she survive the Shathol'Syn?
Her right to rule is simply a question for the Speakers of Truth, and the Theology Council. My questions have caused me no discomfort of my butt as it has for others.
Sir... While those questions are perfectly legitimate and valid... I think there is a place and a time for that.
Also, a question of form, overall. Kicking and crusading against the very institutions of the Empire itself is actually achieving the opposite of what you might advocate. |
Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
83
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Posted - 2015.05.07 12:08:53 -
[40] - Quote
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Am I the only one looking forward to any future discussions on the IGS between Vaari and Max Singularity? Truly it would a clash between Amarrian Titans.
And that is the point that is being missed here.
He is Amarrian.
I recently attended a discussion held between Max and some of the more prominent figures of the Amarr Bloc and what did I witness? I witnessed the Amarr Bloc behave like a mob of angry, petulant children. No decorum. No respect for a peer. Just whining and crying because "Max might take Providence away from us!"
They were more concerned about an imagined threat to power.
Don't get me wrong. There is a certain level of arrogance that comes with being Amarr. There is a certain amount that is appropriate when you build a Empire the size and breadth of Amarr; when you make it last as long. There is too, the confidence that comes with the faith that you are doing God's Work.
So why all the fear and snarkiness concerning a simple wheat farmer? A Holder, yes, but not a self-styled megalomaniac. A man who questions, not Faith, not Scripture, not God and not Empire, but only House Sarum? A man who professes the same love of Amarr and her people and seeks to make things better than they are?
Power. Wealth. And the protection of it, that's why the Amarr Bloc fears Max Singularity. They fear what he represents.
Considering the state of the Empire, considering the threats from without and within, considering the massive amounts of mismanagement and malfeasance over the past several years, perhaps they have good cause to fear Max. Max signifies change to us, the Capsuleer Bloc. Unlike the usual threats to the Empire, he advocates peace and protection and Law.
I, for one, will not follow this Emperor Max Singualrity IV, First of His Name.
But I have no reason to fear him, so I can be objective and not the least bit bratty concerning him. I look forward to hearing more. I look forward to learning his plans. Unlike the Amarr Bloc, I listened. He is not wrong. There is a storm coming. It's been brewing for years. Max is the weatherman, but to the Amarr Bloc, you would think he's the second coming of the Deceiver.
By God people, you are AMARR.
Act like it.
Dark Amarr: Rumors!
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Graelyn
Tzedakah Aegis Militia
747
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Posted - 2015.05.07 12:19:35 -
[41] - Quote
Sinjin Mokk wrote:He is Amarrian.
Citation needed.
Cardinal Graelyn
Owner/Operator, "The Summit"
AM Conclave, Speaker
Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
"Am I losing touch? No. It is the children who are wrong."
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Max Singularity
House Singularity
121
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Posted - 2015.05.07 15:02:16 -
[42] - Quote
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
He is Amarrian.
I recently attended a discussion held between Max and some of the more prominent figures of the Amarr Bloc and what did I witness? I witnessed the Amarr Bloc behave like a mob of angry, petulant children. No decorum. No respect for a peer. Just whining and crying because "Max might take Providence away from us!"
They were more concerned about an imagined threat to power.
Don't get me wrong. There is a certain level of arrogance that comes with being Amarr. There is a certain amount that is appropriate when you build a Empire the size and breadth of Amarr; when you make it last as long. There is too, the confidence that comes with the faith that you are doing God's Work.
So why all the fear and snarkiness concerning a simple wheat farmer? A Holder, yes, but not a self-styled megalomaniac. A man who questions, not Faith, not Scripture, not God and not Empire, but only House Sarum? A man who professes the same love of Amarr and her people and seeks to make things better than they are?
Power. Wealth. And the protection of it, that's why the Amarr Bloc fears Max Singularity. They fear what he represents.
Considering the state of the Empire, considering the threats from without and within, considering the massive amounts of mismanagement and malfeasance over the past several years, perhaps they have good cause to fear Max. Max signifies change to us, the Capsuleer Bloc. Unlike the usual threats to the Empire, he advocates peace and protection and Law.
I, for one, will not follow this Emperor Max Singualrity IV, First of His Name.
But I have no reason to fear him, so I can be objective and not the least bit bratty concerning him. I look forward to hearing more. I look forward to learning his plans. Unlike the Amarr Bloc, I listened. He is not wrong. There is a storm coming. It's been brewing for years. Max is the weatherman, but to the Amarr Bloc, you would think he's the second coming of the Deceiver.
By God people, you are AMARR.
Act like it.
And as I walk through the waist high wheat fields of my estate... I water my crops with my tears that at least one man understands my words cast to voids like messages in a bottle. I ask for no followers and Sinjin Mokk, blessed be, even he heard this.
There is only one Amarr. Amarr Victor.
Harbinger of Faith his Holiness Maximilian Singularity of the Sixth Empire, Pope of New Eden
-First of his name-
((My doctors try to tell me Eve is not real... pffft... I've seen the YouTube Video. Eve is Real))
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Cakzad Arcashiri
Arcashiri Family
110
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Posted - 2015.05.07 15:22:27 -
[43] - Quote
Max is nothing but a heretic, supporting the independence of the Unbound ((I like that name)).
You will rave for awhile, but eventually you will be silenced. |
Max Singularity
House Singularity
121
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Posted - 2015.05.07 15:33:53 -
[44] - Quote
You say it like it's dirty... yet another title given to thee...
Heritic
n. noun
1. A person who holds controversial opinions, especially one who publicly dissents from the officially accepted dogma of Jamyl Sarum. 2. A heretic is a proponent of any provocative belief or theory that is strongly at variance with established beliefs or customs.
All this childish talk. Should I engage thusly, "I know I am but what are you?" Nay I shan't.... for that is exactly the diversion the Sarumites want to focus on me and not the real issue at hand.
Hmmm... if it not be just and civil discourse of words that can't convey these communications, then what is left? Must it always come to lasers? The storm inches closer, the chill is upon thy forearm.
Harbinger of Faith his Holiness Maximilian Singularity of the Sixth Empire, Pope of New Eden
-First of his name-
((My doctors try to tell me Eve is not real... pffft... I've seen the YouTube Video. Eve is Real))
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Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1194
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Posted - 2015.05.07 15:48:50 -
[45] - Quote
Max Singularity wrote: Must it always come to lasers?
I'm actually saddened by the fact you have to ask this, Max. It will always come to weapons when capsuleers are involved.
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
979
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Posted - 2015.05.07 16:13:50 -
[46] - Quote
So some of Max's biggest supporters are Angels? Sheesh! Next you'll be telling me Nation loyalists form an integral part of the strongest Amarrian Militia force in New Eden. What's the cluster coming to? |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1480
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Posted - 2015.05.07 16:20:27 -
[47] - Quote
Sinjin Mokk wrote:No decorum. No respect for a peer.
He ceased being worthy of respect when he became a heretic and traitor.
Quote:A man who questions, not Faith, not Scripture, not God and not Empire, but only House Sarum?
By questioning Her Imperial Majesty, he questions the Theology Council's decision to confirm her as Empress. By questioning Her Imperial Majesty, he questions the authority bestowed upon her by Scripture and thus questions Scripture. And by questioning Her Imperial Majesty, he questions the Voice of God and thus questions God.
But it's more than that. He has called for the end of the Reclaiming. The Reclaiming, the Destiny of Faith, God's Divine Mandate for Amarr. He has called for the end of this. Max Singularity does not simply question the Empress, he denies Scripture and he refuses God's Will. He claims to love God and Amarr, but his beliefs show clearly that he does not. He calls himself the Harbinger of Faith, but he has abandoned the Faith.
"The Theology Council hereby reaffirms the most ancient principle and doctrine of our faith, the word of the Empress is the word of God, the will of the Empress is the will of God. Let no man seek to shirk his obligations before God and His chosen representative in this world." - Datna Jesebel, Principal Clerk of the Theology Council
Quote:Unlike the usual threats to the Empire, he advocates peace and protection and Law.
He advocates none of those things. He is stirring unrest, ignoring traditions, and calling for the uprooting of lawful authority and divine mandates. He calls for more power to capsuleers, beings bound by neither morality nor laws, monsters of destruction and the cause of the greatest atrocities of the last decade. He is not an advocate of peace and law, he is an advocate of chaos and disorder.
Were it just him alone, there wouldn't be any threat. But he has an army of faithless capsuleers supporting him. What he represents is something bigger and more awful than simple heresy. What he represents is the capsuleer monster and its voracious hunger for more and more power.
He is right that a storm is coming. It is a vortex of evil, and he is helping it grow.
"Embrace those who would learn, defeat those who would make mockery of God's way. Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away."
-- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur
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Markus Error
Her Majesty's Crown Corporation
41
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Posted - 2015.05.07 16:33:17 -
[48] - Quote
Pilot Polevhia, well...
We not only allow, but sanction and approve of nigh-immortal sociopaths flying around with immensely powerful ships, corporations, and alliances. We sanction open combat between proxy militias. The recognized governments entirely ignore the threat of Sansha's Nation (it would seem). Said governments also continue putting more sociopathic demigods into space. We regularly fight over things as trivial as a few extra planets or systems when there's resources enough for all. We spend more time bickering than trying to solve problems. International and intranational realpolitik seems neverending. And I just dropped my teacup.
So, to summarize, the cluster is likely coming to it's doom.
Pator IV - Moon 6 - School of Hard Knocks
Prof. Markus 'Error' Sierra, Cynicism Deptartment
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Max Singularity
House Singularity
122
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Posted - 2015.05.07 16:44:34 -
[49] - Quote
Samira Kernher wrote:He has called for the end of the Reclaiming. The Reclaiming, the Destiny of Faith, God's Divine Mandate for Amarr. He has called for the end of this.
This is true. Thank you for hearing at least this. For I ask thee... gaze upon the Sixth Empire rising. There is only one Amarr. The Capsuleers of the enlightened have recognized that Amarr is the best hope of humankind despite the poison on the throne. Independent Capsuleers from Caldari, Gallente, even... yes... even Minmatar are now rising to stand with... WITH... Amarr. What reclaiming in 300 years have done what a simple message of Love has done in 3 months.
REDEMPTION
My redemption has come. Capsuleers once were scourge... are becoming good citizens of humankind... their redemption is at hand.
This is the Age of Redemption.
Inclusion of all our enemies to find the road to Amarr God is upon our doorstep. Reclaiming has only caused exclusion, greed, and corruption. Corruption of mind. Corruption of heart. Corruption of spirit and soul.
Redemption is the revolution you fear, for those that fear God, seek no Love of his heart.
Samira Kernher wrote: He is stirring unrest, ignoring traditions, and calling for the uprooting of lawful authority and divine mandates.
You say unrest as if it is a bad thing. I call upon our deepest traditions as Holders to question as it has been for time remembered, what motivates thee I wonder. I advocate the legal and just (again must I say this over and over?) the rightful reign of serious doubt of confidence that others to timid of heart, to scared of profits, to sinful of public attention, would bring forth these questions.
Continue to focus on me, you are only doing your mistresses will, and this I understand. We need not agree for the drops of rain choose no friend when upon us they land. The mist is in the air... the rains are coming.
Harbinger of Faith his Holiness Maximilian Singularity of the Sixth Empire, Pope of New Eden
-First of his name-
((My doctors try to tell me Eve is not real... pffft... I've seen the YouTube Video. Eve is Real))
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Merdaneth
Tzedakah Aegis Militia
365
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Posted - 2015.05.07 16:46:10 -
[50] - Quote
Samira Kernher wrote:Sinjin Mokk wrote:No decorum. No respect for a peer. He ceased being worthy of respect when he became a heretic and traitor.
I do not treat people with respect and decorum because of who they are, but because of who I am.
If you cannot uphold proper decorum in front of a certain individual, better to not to address that someone at all.
Poor manners reflect more upon oneself and less upon the one you address.
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Tiberious Thessalonia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
2358
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Posted - 2015.05.07 16:46:39 -
[51] - Quote
Evi Polevhia wrote:So some of Max's biggest supporters are Angels? Sheesh! Next you'll be telling me Nation loyalists form an integral part of the strongest Amarrian Militia force in New Eden. What's the cluster coming to?
Shocking! |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1482
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Posted - 2015.05.07 17:06:42 -
[52] - Quote
Max Singularity wrote:This is true. Thank you for hearing at least this. For I ask thee... gaze upon the Sixth Empire rising. There is only one Amarr. The Capsuleers of the enlightened have recognized that Amarr is the best hope of humankind despite the poison on the throne. Independent Capsuleers from Caldari, Gallente, even... yes... even Minmatar are now rising to stand with... WITH... Amarr. What reclaiming in 300 years have done what a simple message of Love has done in 3 months.
REDEMPTION
My redemption has come. Capsuleers once were scourge... are becoming good citizens of humankind... their redemption is at hand.
This is the Age of Redemption.
Inclusion of all our enemies to find the road to Amarr God is upon our doorstep. Reclaiming has only caused exclusion, greed, and corruption. Corruption of mind. Corruption of heart. Corruption of spirit and soul.
Redemption is the revolution you fear, for those that fear God, seek no Love of his heart.
The Reclaiming is redemption. It is God's Mercy for the fallen.
I am Minmatar. I was a slave. It is because of the Reclaiming that I am today a devoted servant of God. I worked for my redemption. My family and the families of trillions of other slaves have worked for it. Redemption is not given, it is earned, through the penance of deeds.
You call for sin to be ignored. You call for people to be allowed to commit evil and never suffer punishment for it. You call for a universe in which redemption is cheap.
The Reclaiming is God's Divine Mandate for Amarr. It is His Mercy. It is redemption.
Quote:You say unrest as if it is a bad thing. I call upon our deepest traditions as Holders to question as it has been for time remembered, what motivates thee I wonder. I advocate the legal and just (again must I say this over and over?) the rightful reign of serious doubt of confidence that others to timid of heart, to scared of profits, to sinful of public attention, would bring forth these questions.
Unrest is a bad thing. It is not our place to question our betters. There is no legal and just way to doubt in the Voice of God. Her Imperial Majesty represents the Will of God.
Be Careful. Pure Thought is the Instigator of Sin. Be Watchful. Free Thought is the Begetter of Disorder. Be Respectful. Uniform Thought is the Way of Life. - The Code of Demeanor
"Embrace those who would learn, defeat those who would make mockery of God's way. Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away."
-- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1483
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Posted - 2015.05.07 17:19:07 -
[53] - Quote
Markus Error wrote:The Sciptures also seem to describe God as loving and/or benevolent. And while suffering might be good for the soul, it does beg the question of why a loving God would demand that his Chosen cause pain, suffering, and the like... but only to others? Are the majority of the Amarr free of that whole shebang for any particular reason?
Because they did not abandon God as the rest of humanity did. Because they continued to live righteously. They proved their devotion already. Those Amarr that fail in this, those who engage in crime, or heresy, they lose their place as Chosen just as anyone else and must earn redemption again under slavery.
The rest of us come from people who abandoned God. The Gallente, the Caldari, the Minmatar, all our fallen peoples once were united in worship of God. But we spurned Him, we forgot Him. It is for that reason that we are punished. We do not even deserve a place in Heaven, but God in His great mercy gave us a chance to cleanse ourselves of our sins. That is the Reclaiming. It is redemption.
"Embrace those who would learn, defeat those who would make mockery of God's way. Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away."
-- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur
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Tyrel Toov
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
345
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Posted - 2015.05.07 17:22:07 -
[54] - Quote
Samira Kernher wrote:
The Reclaiming is redemption. It is God's Mercy for the fallen.
You can keep your god, his mercy, and your vaunted "redemption"
Samira Kernher wrote: I am Minmatar.
No, you are not. You may have been, once, but you're less then that now.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Max Singularity
House Singularity
123
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Posted - 2015.05.07 17:26:38 -
[55] - Quote
Samira Kernher wrote:I am Minmatar. I was a slave. It is because of the Reclaiming that I am today a devoted servant of God.
It is only RESPECT for your personal space that I shall not reach out and give thee the biggest bear hug I can muster. Bless your heart!!! This brightened my dreary day.
Harbinger of Faith his Holiness Maximilian Singularity of the Sixth Empire, Pope of New Eden
-First of his name-
((My doctors try to tell me Eve is not real... pffft... I've seen the YouTube Video. Eve is Real))
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Tabor Murn
Kaitaua Whamere
93
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Posted - 2015.05.07 17:34:44 -
[56] - Quote
Tyrel Toov wrote:Samira Kernher wrote: I am Minmatar. No, you are not. You may have been, once, but you're less then that now.
And what of the Nefantar and Starmanir tribes that now make up part of our Republic? |
Tyrel Toov
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
345
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Posted - 2015.05.07 17:47:18 -
[57] - Quote
Tabor Murn wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:Samira Kernher wrote: I am Minmatar. No, you are not. You may have been, once, but you're less then that now. And what of the Nefantar and Starmanir tribes that now make up part of our Republic? What of them?
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Tabor Murn
Kaitaua Whamere
93
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Posted - 2015.05.07 18:18:35 -
[58] - Quote
Do you think of them as less than Minmatar? |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
8050
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Posted - 2015.05.07 18:19:56 -
[59] - Quote
People say they are afraid of changes.
But its always ongoing process.
People are in fact afraid of losing their illusions.
The Sixth empire is not an illusion.
Jamyl is. Her mind is an illusion, she is a tool, a tool of days past.
I believe only in Cold Wind, but sixth empire is real, and I can't deny this.
Custom ship skins | Since 2014 | Character creator style "repaint" | Bring back the dream
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Tyrel Toov
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
346
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Posted - 2015.05.07 18:28:56 -
[60] - Quote
Tabor Murn wrote:Do you think of them as less than Minmatar? Have they turned their backs on their tribes to follow the false god of a cult who delights in the destruction of all other cultures?
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Tabor Murn
Kaitaua Whamere
93
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Posted - 2015.05.07 18:49:32 -
[61] - Quote
Tyrel Toov wrote:Tabor Murn wrote:Do you think of them as less than Minmatar? Have they turned their backs on their tribes to follow the false god of a cult who delights in the destruction of all other cultures?
The fact that you even have to ask this question shows how out of touch with our Kin you are. Many of them do, including the chosen representatives of their Tribes. It is their right according to the principles of Tribal Autonomy to do as they wish in this regard.
Anyone who turns their back on these Tribes because the religion they follow is placing religion above kinship. That is a concept which is less than Minmatar. |
Tyrel Toov
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
346
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Posted - 2015.05.07 19:07:02 -
[62] - Quote
Tabor Murn wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:Tabor Murn wrote:Do you think of them as less than Minmatar? Have they turned their backs on their tribes to follow the false god of a cult who delights in the destruction of all other cultures? The fact that you even have to ask this question shows how out of touch with our Kin you are. Many of them do, including the chosen representatives of their Tribes. It is their right according to the principles of Tribal Autonomy to do as they wish in this regard. Rhetorical Question....
Tabor Murn wrote: Anyone who turns their back on these Tribes because the religion they follow is placing religion above kinship. That is a concept which is less than Minmatar. Basically, what I said.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Tabor Murn
Kaitaua Whamere
93
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Posted - 2015.05.07 19:19:36 -
[63] - Quote
Clearly you missed the implication. I was suggesting that you are no better than the Amarrians you so despise.
Your alliance's famous slogan is "We come for our people." not "We come for our people, except for the ones that worship the Amarr God." |
Maria Daphiti
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
34
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Posted - 2015.05.07 19:33:46 -
[64] - Quote
Tabor Murn wrote:Clearly you missed the implication. I was suggesting that you are no better than the Amarrians you so despise.
Your alliance's famous slogan is "We come for our people." not "We come for our people, except for the ones that worship the Amarr God."
Yeah! and Except for the ones held by Nauplius too!
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ValentinaDLM
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
655
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Posted - 2015.05.07 19:50:23 -
[65] - Quote
Tyrel Toov wrote:Tabor Murn wrote: Anyone who turns their back on these Tribes because the religion they follow is placing religion above kinship. That is a concept which is less than Minmatar. Basically, what I said.
So....everyone is agreed then that regardless of the masters you serve or the god you worship, you are born Minmatar, and will die Minmatar? |
Svetlana Laknaya
Hoplite Brigade
0
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Posted - 2015.05.07 19:56:20 -
[66] - Quote
Maria Daphiti wrote:Tabor Murn wrote:Clearly you missed the implication. I was suggesting that you are no better than the Amarrians you so despise.
Your alliance's famous slogan is "We come for our people." not "We come for our people, except for the ones that worship the Amarr God." Yeah! and with respect to U'K, Except for the ones held by Nauplius too!
While you are clearly on the wrong side, I must grudgingly admit my respect for you Ms. Daphiti. My people deserve to be free, and I will do all of I can to see that happen, and I am sure my brothers and sisters in Ushra'Kahn feel that way too, even if I can't speak for them. |
Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
84
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Posted - 2015.05.07 20:11:55 -
[67] - Quote
Samira Kernher wrote: By questioning Her Imperial Majesty, he questions the Theology Council's decision to confirm her as Empress. By questioning Her Imperial Majesty, he questions the authority bestowed upon her by Scripture and thus questions Scripture. And by questioning Her Imperial Majesty, he questions the Voice of God and thus questions God.
You know, I had this big sweeping history lesson written out that would have shown you exactly where you are mistaken.
Then I decided your lack of a proper education isn't my responsibility and I deleted it.
For those interested, look up the history of Emperor Zaragram II, the Council of Apostles vs Emperor Heideran V's moral reforms, Garkeh Khanid and the Succession Trial of Doriam Kor-Azor. Then get back to me on how solid Amarr traditions are.
YC105 wasn't that long ago. The succession was won by Doriam Kor-Azor. Jamyl Sarum lost. She died. Yet she returned five years later with a Drifter-like super weapon and assumed the Throne. If the Council hadn't ratified her position, she would have been burned at the stake. And that doesn't necessarily mean that the Council's decision was unanimous.
So among Holders like Max Singularity, there is room for debate and discussion. Among Khanid, most certainly. No Emperor's right to rule is carved in stone. God decides.
And please don't talk to me about the Reclaiming. It's important to the 24th because it gives you an excuse to hunt Matari in the Bleaks. Since the Gallente-Amarr Free Trade Agreement it really hasn't been a thing outside of Khanid. What, if any reclaiming has occurred since the Yulai Accords? Even the Empress has cooled on the idea. The Reclaiming isn't about people, it's about souls. Individual Holders may emancipate a slave and his family at any time, if the Holder feels he has proven his faith and loyalty to the Empire. Additionally, the Royal Heirs or even the Emperor himself may make a decree freeing slaves of certain generations or vocations throughout their holdings. Max just wants to see that happen on a larger scale. I don't, but but I can see his viewpoint. This is called "Understanding."
You are not required to like Max. You are not required to like his message. But you are required to allow him to speak until the Empress, the Council or the Law decides he's crossed the line. And they've refused to comment on Max's words.
I know this is a bit of an odd suggestion, but maybe if you feel Max is in error you could try constructive methods to bring your viewpoints in line with each other. This is called "Diplomacy."
And that is how Capsuleers communicate without lasers.
Dark Amarr: Rumors!
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Tyrel Toov
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
346
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Posted - 2015.05.07 20:22:10 -
[68] - Quote
Tabor Murn wrote:Clearly you missed the implication. I was suggesting that you are no better than the Amarrians you so despise.
Your alliance's famous slogan is "We come for our people." not "We come for our people, except for the ones that worship the Amarr God." You're under the impression I hate Amarrians, you're wrong. I hate the religion that says non-Amarrians are to be subjected to "Reclaiming", the religion that uses a "God" to justify destroying entire populations of planets, enslaving generations of my people, and wiping out centuries of our culture. That is what I hate, and the ones willing to act upon it. The individuals are easy enough to get along with, I even fly with a few. Good people all of them. As for our alliance's slogan.... It's not my personal mantra.
ValentinaDLM wrote: So....everyone is agreed then that regardless of the masters you serve or the god you worship, you are born Minmatar, and will die Minmatar? No. If you make an enemy of the Tribes, you are no Minmatar. If you seek to enslave us, you are no Minmatar. If you talk during a holo, you are no Minmatar. You may serve who you see fit as you see fit to serve them. But don't try to force others on pain of death and/or suffering to do the same.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1483
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Posted - 2015.05.07 20:43:45 -
[69] - Quote
Sinjin Mokk wrote:You know, I had this big sweeping history lesson written out that would have shown you exactly where you are mistaken.
Then I decided your lack of a proper education isn't my responsibility and I deleted it.
For those interested, look up the history of Emperor Zaragram II, the Council of Apostles vs Emperor Heideran V's moral reforms, Garkeh Khanid and the Succession Trial of Doriam Kor-Azor. Then get back to me on how solid Amarr traditions are.
There was no Emperor Zaragram II. The heretic to which you are referring, who has no name as he was struck, was self-proclaimed and never ruled over Amarr.
Emperor Heideran V was the lawful emperor in his time. The Council of Apostles opposed him and attempted to place a usurper on the throne. They were removed for their treason.
His Majesty Khanid II committed grave heresy and he should consider himself very lucky that Her Imperial Majesty was so merciful as to offer him forgiveness.
It is never appropriate to question the emperor.
Quote:YC105 wasn't that long ago. The succession was won by Doriam Kor-Azor. Jamyl Sarum lost. She died. Yet she returned five years later with a Drifter-like super weapon and assumed the Throne. If the Council hadn't ratified her position, she would have been burned at the stake. And that doesn't necessarily mean that the Council's decision was unanimous.
She returned to us by the grace of God. She would not have been confirmed by the heirs and the Theology Council if her ascension was not the will of God.
Quote:And please don't talk to me about the Reclaiming. It's important to the 24th because it gives you an excuse to hunt Matari in the Bleaks. Since the Gallente-Amarr Free Trade Agreement it really hasn't been a thing outside of Khanid. What, if any reclaiming has occurred since the Yulai Accords? Even the Empress has cooled on the idea. The Reclaiming isn't about people, it's about souls. Individual Holders may emancipate a slave and his family at any time, if the Holder feels he has proven his faith and loyalty to the Empire. Additionally, the Royal Heirs or even the Emperor himself may make a decree freeing slaves of certain generations or vocations throughout their holdings. Max just wants to see that happen on a larger scale. I don't, but but I can see his viewpoint. This is called "Understanding.
It is important to Amarr. The Reclaiming is ongoing. Just because it is no longer being fought with lasers does not mean it has stopped. The Reclaiming is our divine mandate from God. It is the Destiny of Faith. There are many missionaries in every empire working to Reclaim lost souls daily. This is a task that every Amarr must aid in, and I do what I can to bring those I associate with into the faith.
The Reclaiming has not ended and will not until all of creation is united under God.
Quote:You are not required to like Max. You are not required to like his message. But you are required to allow him to speak until the Empress, the Council or the Law decides he's crossed the line. And they've refused to comment on Max's words.
I am required by my Lords in PIE to oppose those who speak against the Empress. Max Singularity speaks against the Empress.
"Embrace those who would learn, defeat those who would make mockery of God's way. Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away."
-- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur
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Jade Blackwind
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
502
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Posted - 2015.05.07 21:08:53 -
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There is an ancient Jin-Mei curse. It is rather hard to translate it properly, because it references reincarnation, karma and such alien things. But, simplified, it goes like:
May you live in interesting times.
We certainly live in interesting times, aren't we? We all?
The world changes! Are you ready? The world changes, and we all must change or die!
*gives out a drunken laugh, screen fades to black*. |
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Markus Error
Her Majesty's Crown Corporation
41
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Posted - 2015.05.07 21:26:42 -
[71] - Quote
I'm agreeing with Pilot Toov here. You can start life as a Minmatar... but that doesn't mean you'll end - or continue - it as such.
Turning your back on the Matari and siding with the old enemy is one of two things. Treason, when done willingly, or indlctrination. If treason, you deserve, and get, nothing but contempt from your former kin. If indoctrination... we can try to at least teach you of the Matari and leave you to your own decision.
As to the cultral Reclaiming... it's an improvment, at least. Y'see, I've no issue with folks who just want to peacefully spread their religion. If you preach until everyone worships as you, cool - though you may need to wait a while - but busting out the lasers when they disagree isn't really the best way forward, perhaps. Taking slaves and trying to crush their culture and essentially indoctrinate them isn't either, really.
I'm a believer in the spirits and their messages, and in the mysticism associated with. Doesn't mean I need to interpret their messages as an absolute divine mandate.
Pator IV - Moon 6 - School of Hard Knocks
Prof. Markus 'Error' Sierra, Cynicism Deptartment
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Max Singularity
House Singularity
126
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Posted - 2015.05.07 21:41:42 -
[72] - Quote
Sinjin Mokk wrote: This is called "Understanding. You are not required to like Max. You are not required to like his message. But you are required to allow him to speak until the Empress, the Council or the Law decides he's crossed the line. And that is how Capsuleers communicate without lasers.
No one follows me, when I'm standing beside such great voices. You Sinjin Mokk,are the Clarion of Reason and speak clear.
Harbinger of Faith his Holiness Maximilian Singularity of the Sixth Empire, Pope of New Eden
-First of his name-
((My doctors try to tell me Eve is not real... pffft... I've seen the YouTube Video. Eve is Real))
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
958
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Posted - 2015.05.07 21:45:11 -
[73] - Quote
How do you make the difference between indoctrination, and treason ? |
Markus Error
Her Majesty's Crown Corporation
42
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Posted - 2015.05.07 21:59:11 -
[74] - Quote
Treason is siding with the enemy willingly and withput coercion on their part. Indoctrination is being, well, indoctrinated to their way of thinking - generally when one is raised as a slave, or similar.
Pator IV - Moon 6 - School of Hard Knocks
Prof. Markus 'Error' Sierra, Cynicism Deptartment
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Max Singularity
House Singularity
126
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Posted - 2015.05.07 21:59:15 -
[75] - Quote
Samira Kernher wrote:I am required by my Lords in PIE to oppose those who speak against the Empress. Max Singularity speaks against the Empress.
And this is why your ears are closed and mouth open wide by so long forced obedience of your former slave psyche. You even bring discord to your Minmatar brethren here as demonstrated. #typical
I speak of legal process and warmongers of your ilk are banging war drums.
Be prepared if we answer those drums, but know it's you and your Butterfly Effect that is a cause of war. WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER. We await an answer in RATIONAL discussion, not pro, not against... but explanation and that explanation needs to come not from you but upon the query. I am Kador (mother) and Tash-Murkon (father) it is my right to query. A Just cause.
You offer no solution but to lie on our backs and spread our legs to the heavens. You can keep your Status-quo as that maybe the position you favor. Not I. Oppose me all you want, the squall approaches closer despite your deprecations. I had great hope your voice had a valid counter. Had.
Good day.
Edit: I'll still give you a hug because you found God, bless your heart. Being a tad confused is not reason enough for me to withhold my affections for your great achievement. I hope thee can find Kindness as well. Good day.
Harbinger of Faith his Holiness Maximilian Singularity of the Sixth Empire, Pope of New Eden
-First of his name-
((My doctors try to tell me Eve is not real... pffft... I've seen the YouTube Video. Eve is Real))
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Ayallah
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
340
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Posted - 2015.05.07 22:01:38 -
[76] - Quote
The Voluval decides if you are Matari, not you people.
-áFear The Tribes
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Markus Error
Her Majesty's Crown Corporation
42
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Posted - 2015.05.07 22:07:16 -
[77] - Quote
I'd argue the matari people as a whole collectively decide that. I was merely stating my own views.
Pator IV - Moon 6 - School of Hard Knocks
Prof. Markus 'Error' Sierra, Cynicism Deptartment
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Tabor Murn
Kaitaua Whamere
94
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Posted - 2015.05.07 22:58:55 -
[78] - Quote
Ayallah wrote:The Voluval decides if you are Matari, not you people.
We went to war to save a lot of people who had never even heard about the voluval from genocide. I would argue the Voluval is an affirmation of one's place in Matari society. After all, children are still considered one's kin. |
Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
43356
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Posted - 2015.05.07 23:30:38 -
[79] - Quote
Empire and religion, I really can't think of anything that churns my stomach harder.
Hmm, well ... I guess that's not true. But I won't go there.
Max, while your mission and the things of which you speak hold little personal relevance to me, or bring any impact to my family's way of life and chosen space, I find your manner, views and attitude very refreshing in this environment and that is enough reason for me to add my own little hands to those who applaud your stance.
Max Singularity wrote:It's time. Question me. Question Jamyl. Question authority. This, especially. Question everything ... and everyone.
May whatever God or force you believe in bless and keep you, Mr Singularity.
Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!
Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel
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Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
87
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Posted - 2015.05.08 00:37:05 -
[80] - Quote
Max Singularity wrote:Sinjin Mokk wrote: This is called "Understanding. You are not required to like Max. You are not required to like his message. But you are required to allow him to speak until the Empress, the Council or the Law decides he's crossed the line. And that is how Capsuleers communicate without lasers.
No one follows me, when I'm standing beside such great voices. You Sinjin Mokk,are the Clarion of Reason and speak clear.
Thank you, but I am not your Herald, Sir.
I am a Khanid who has seen the Empire ***** itself out to CONCORD for far, too long.
While I"m disappointed in people like Lt. Kernher, I'm never really surprised. I was like that once. One day, she'll have enough wisdom and experience to see the galaxy as it is; that faith in Empire can be separate from Faith in God. Her masters, those who should know better, have no such excuse.
I pray she lives long enough to grow into her wisdom. I pray we all live as long.
I am an Archangel. I work outside the law, because I could no longer keep my oath to my God, King and people without breaking the laws of Empire and CONCORD. My King faced this choice too and I admire and try to emulate his honor and convictions. CONCORD and Amarr laws are easily broken. And I can buy forgiveness with them for a pile of ISK. That the Amarr Bloc does not see that our system is broken, that they cannot see the rot at the heart of the Empire, is tragic. But it is not my path to excise that cancer.
It may be your path though.
"I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity." - The Scriptures, Prophet Kuria, Paladin's Creed.
Dark Amarr: Rumors!
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
958
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Posted - 2015.05.08 10:24:46 -
[81] - Quote
Markus Error wrote:Treason is siding with the enemy willingly and withput coercion on their part. Indoctrination is being, well, indoctrinated to their way of thinking - generally when one is raised as a slave, or similar.
So, what do you make of the Ammatars then (the current generations, not the first Nefantar collaborators) ? Traitors, or indoctrinated ? |
Devilish Ledoux
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
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Posted - 2015.05.08 11:12:57 -
[82] - Quote
Praise the Emperor and pass the frequency crystals! |
Markus Error
Her Majesty's Crown Corporation
44
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Posted - 2015.05.08 13:14:32 -
[83] - Quote
Lyn Farel wrote:Markus Error wrote:Treason is siding with the enemy willingly and withput coercion on their part. Indoctrination is being, well, indoctrinated to their way of thinking - generally when one is raised as a slave, or similar. So, what do you make of the Ammatars then (the current generations, not the first Nefantar collaborators) ? Traitors, or indoctrinated ? Indoctrinated, mostly. During that original invasion all those centuries ago, they were collaborators, and thus, traitors; more recent generations, however, have been raised into the Amarr way of thinking. While not intrinsically bad, the Amarr way of thinking involved co quest, forced conversion, and such. And that's terrible.
"The spirits are not the wise elders many are led to believe. The spirits are not the almighty. The spirits are not our gods, nor our inferiors; they are our compaions. And with them, the will of the Minmatar is unbreakable." -The Shaman's Way
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
958
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Posted - 2015.05.08 16:02:36 -
[84] - Quote
So, every amarrian citizen is indoctrinated ? They indoctrinate each other ? |
Markus Error
Her Majesty's Crown Corporation
44
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Posted - 2015.05.08 16:22:21 -
[85] - Quote
They were never Matari in the first place... but it seems they're effectively indoctrinated by their religion, yes.
"The spirits are not the wise elders many are led to believe. The spirits are not the almighty. The spirits are not our gods, nor our inferiors; they are our companions. And with them, the will of the Minmatar is unbreakable." -The Shaman's Way
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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
958
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Posted - 2015.05.08 19:48:37 -
[86] - Quote
And the Minmatar are not ? |
Markus Error
Her Majesty's Crown Corporation
45
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Posted - 2015.05.08 21:05:56 -
[87] - Quote
Considering we lack a single unified religion, have a humber of atheists, and are generally less 'God told me to do it' than the Amarr, I'm going to say no, we're not indoctrinated by our or your religion.
"The spirits are not the wise elders many are led to believe. The spirits are not the almighty. The spirits are not our gods, nor our inferiors; they are our companions. And with them, the will of the Minmatar is unbreakable." -The Shaman's Way
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
4797
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Posted - 2015.05.08 21:22:24 -
[88] - Quote
Markus Error wrote:Considering we lack a single unified religion, have a humber of atheists, and are generally less 'God told me to do it' than the Amarr, I'm going to say no, we're not indoctrinated by our or your religion.
Everyone is indoctrinated into the culture they're raised in. Some religions place more focus on religion than others, but the Matari are not different in this regard.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Claudia Osyn
Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan
1199
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Posted - 2015.05.08 21:29:44 -
[89] - Quote
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Markus Error wrote:Considering we lack a single unified religion, have a humber of atheists, and are generally less 'God told me to do it' than the Amarr, I'm going to say no, we're not indoctrinated by our or your religion. Everyone is indoctrinated into the culture they're raised in. Some religions place more focus on religion than others, but the Matari are not different in this regard. The great Goddess of the IGS, Claudia Amelia Testarossa Wingate Lillithella Osyn MDCXXXIV, refutes this claim. Indoctrination does not exist in the Cult of Claudia and I order my followers to be offended at the notion.
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Kale Silence
Sebietar Scavenging and Hacking
83
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Posted - 2015.05.08 22:26:18 -
[90] - Quote
I haven't seen this much jabber over the IGS about some random person since nauplius misbehaving.
Also, the boil under your armpit? That's what would offend you? Really?
Not the fact that your words literally hurt to read because your translator has to work overtime to get what you have to say across? Like I didn't understand half of what the f**k you were talking about, and the other just sounded like Vaari. Although a lot less intelligent-sounding. (And that's saying a lot) Like what the f**k, man? Do the Amarr not teach people how to talk?
I'm no expert, but this guy seems a little... f***ing insane.
To put it mildly.
"Love me or hate me, but money don't judge me. I don't care about your opinion, unless you intend to pay me. Then I care."
- Anonymous
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