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Annemarie Menis Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2015.05.06 01:25:55 - [1] - Quote Hi, I'm somewhat new to pvp. My partner and I have been trying lowsec roams to try and get into it. However, we've encountered some gatecamps in our travels and it seems that they're very hard or impossible to defend against or avoid while flying a standard combat ship. I'm just curious to know how the community at large feels about gate camps, such as how fun they are for either party (relevant? no?) or how much interesting and engaging gameplay they add to EVE. In addition, I'm curious as to whether CCP plans to remove or modify gatecamps so that there's more interactive gameplay involved. Keep in mind I'm not looking for ship fits, tips, or help avoiding/defending against gatecamps.
Noragen Neirfallas Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective 567	Posted - 2015.05.06 01:31:25 - [2] - Quote C&P commandment 1 1. Thou shalt post with thy main or GTFO When you don't use your forum ALT I'd be happy to discuss this with ya Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment Forum BFFL of Mo
Annemarie Menis Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2015.05.06 01:36:30 - [3] - Quote Noragen Neirfallas wrote: C&P commandment 1 1. Thou shalt post with thy main or GTFO When you don't use your forum ALT I'd be happy to discuss this with ya Thank you. This will be good to know if I ever decide to interact with you for some reason.
Leto Thule Origin. Black Legion. 2467	Posted - 2015.05.06 01:44:51 - [4] - Quote Annemarie Menis wrote: Noragen Neirfallas wrote: C&P commandment 1 1. Thou shalt post with thy main or GTFO When you don't use your forum ALT I'd be happy to discuss this with ya Thank you. This will be good to know if I ever decide to interact with you for some reason. He speaks for pretty much everyone on here (with that statement, at least), and I daresay that was much more polite than the usual expectation here. But you asked a question, and if you'd like an answer, which we will be happy to talk about as its a decent question, then post with your main. Are you an asshole? Do you like flying with other assholes? Can you listen to the FC and not be horribad? Origin. is recruiting!
Annemarie Menis Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2015.05.06 01:47:16 - [5] - Quote Leto Thule wrote: Annemarie Menis wrote: Noragen Neirfallas wrote: C&P commandment 1 1. Thou shalt post with thy main or GTFO When you don't use your forum ALT I'd be happy to discuss this with ya Thank you. This will be good to know if I ever decide to interact with you for some reason. He speaks for pretty much everyone on here (with that statement, at least), and I daresay that was much more polite than the usual expectation here. But you asked a question, and if you'd like an answer, which we will be happy to talk about as its a decent question, then post with your main. Oh, a common sentiment? Interesting. I'll be elsewhere, then. Thanks for the info.
Kaarous Aldurald Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 12906	Posted - 2015.05.06 03:26:15 - [6] - Quote They're serious. If you want to post on an alt, do it on reddit. You're much more likely to get bad advice or outright trolled there, however. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Noragen Neirfallas Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective 570	Posted - 2015.05.06 04:50:00 - [7] - Quote I thought I was being down right polite. Oh well perhaps the next person who claims to have interacted with gate camps in lowsec will have actually interacted with gate camps in lowsec and then we can discuss gate camps in lowsec. And for those wondering if i can say that 3 times fast Gatecamps in low sec gatecramps in lowshreck greatgramps in lowskek. dam Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment Forum BFFL of Mo
Sol epoch HELVEGEN Absolute Defiance 180	Posted - 2015.05.06 05:40:28 - [8] - Quote What they are saying OP is that they know nothing about low sec gatecamps and feel threatened by yout use of an alt to ask!
Noragen Neirfallas Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective 572	Posted - 2015.05.06 05:59:49 - [9] - Quote Sol epoch wrote: What they are saying OP is that they know nothing about low sec gatecamps and feel threatened by yout use of an alt to ask! I'm just going to leave this comprehensive list of the ships and pos mods found in and around dodixie right here Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment Forum BFFL of Mo
Danalee Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective 1481	Posted - 2015.05.06 06:09:02 - [10] - Quote BURN! D. Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Sol epoch HELVEGEN Absolute Defiance 180	Posted - 2015.05.06 06:18:15 - [11] - Quote Pos mods around Dodixie or scraps around Rens, OP can make their own decision. http://p0wnd.nl/kb/index.php/pilot_detail/22775/ Try harder to link the correct info as you seem to come up short on that! https://zkillboard.com/character/302624669/
Sol epoch HELVEGEN Absolute Defiance 180	Posted - 2015.05.06 06:20:17 - [12] - Quote Danalee wrote: BURN! D. No fire without fuel baby!
Noragen Neirfallas Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective 573	Posted - 2015.05.06 06:24:14 - [13] - Quote Sol epoch wrote: Pos mods around Dodixie or scraps around Rens, OP can make their own decision. http://p0wnd.nl/kb/index.php/pilot_detail/22775/ Would you look at that. Page 2 has nullsec stuff. Page 3 wormholes... I see your point tho little lowsec to speak of. But least I don't have to scroll to October to find something outside of high sec. You should stretch your legs once in a while Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment Forum BFFL of Mo
Sol epoch HELVEGEN Absolute Defiance 180	Posted - 2015.05.06 06:29:19 - [14] - Quote Noragen Neirfallas wrote: Sol epoch wrote: Pos mods around Dodixie or scraps around Rens, OP can make their own decision. http://p0wnd.nl/kb/index.php/pilot_detail/22775/ Would you look at that. Page 2 has nullsec stuff. Page 3 wormholes... I see your point tho little lowsec to speak of. But least I don't have to scroll to October to find something outside of high sec. You should stretch your legs once in a while I seem to have touched a nerve with my original quote! My knowledge of low sec is not an issue here the original quote was accurate. Not that I care much!
Noragen Neirfallas Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective 573	Posted - 2015.05.06 06:32:21 - [15] - Quote Sol epoch wrote: Noragen Neirfallas wrote: Sol epoch wrote: Pos mods around Dodixie or scraps around Rens, OP can make their own decision. http://p0wnd.nl/kb/index.php/pilot_detail/22775/ Would you look at that. Page 2 has nullsec stuff. Page 3 wormholes... I see your point tho little lowsec to speak of. But least I don't have to scroll to October to find something outside of high sec. You should stretch your legs once in a while I seem to have touched a nerve with my original quote! My knowledge of low sec is not an issue here the original quote was accurate. Not that I care much! Except for the convenient part where it wasn't right? Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment Forum BFFL of Mo
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 516	Posted - 2015.05.06 08:38:08 - [16] - Quote Annemarie Menis wrote: Hi, I'm somewhat new to pvp. My partner and I have been trying lowsec roams to try and get into it. However, we've encountered some gatecamps in our travels and it seems that they're very hard or impossible to defend against or avoid while flying a standard combat ship. I'm just curious to know how the community at large feels about gate camps, such as how fun they are for either party (relevant? no?) or how much interesting and engaging gameplay they add to EVE. In addition, I'm curious as to whether CCP plans to remove or modify gatecamps so that there's more interactive gameplay involved. Keep in mind I'm not looking for ship fits, tips, or help avoiding/defending against gatecamps. Hi im Lan and id just like to say thank you for bringing this topic up and you can see my answer below i like gatecamps personally, my sensor boosted keres with a long point and 3 scrams can pretty much catch anything , however all it takes is a little common sense to avoid them. we do not need to remove them because you were silly enough to not have a scout or you were too silly to bother burning back to the gate and jumping back to your cushionsec where everything is nice and safe, so please excercise a bit more caution when jumping into low security space. thank you for your time, pirates have feelings to you know EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
Noragen Neirfallas Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective 575	Posted - 2015.05.06 08:59:42 - [17] - Quote Sol epoch wrote: Pos mods around Dodixie or scraps around Rens, OP can make their own decision. http://p0wnd.nl/kb/index.php/pilot_detail/22775/ Try harder to link the correct info as you seem to come up short on that! https://zkillboard.com/character/302624669/ A lovely edit. It paints you in a whole new light Incidentally you should use my z kill or even my ALTs Trosken Neirfallas since I don't spend all my time in high sec corps Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment Forum BFFL of Mo
Mobadder Thworst Perkone Caldari State 345	Posted - 2015.05.06 09:18:13 - [18] - Quote Annemarie Menis wrote: Hi, I'm somewhat new to pvp. My partner and I have been trying lowsec roams to try and get into it. However, we've encountered some gatecamps in our travels and it seems that they're very hard or impossible to defend against or avoid while flying a standard combat ship. I'm just curious to know how the community at large feels about gate camps, such as how fun they are for either party (relevant? no?) or how much interesting and engaging gameplay they add to EVE. In addition, I'm curious as to whether CCP plans to remove or modify gatecamps so that there's more interactive gameplay involved. Keep in mind I'm not looking for ship fits, tips, or help avoiding/defending against gatecamps. Gate camps are good content and they're typically interactable even for 1 or 2 people if you do it right. The two concepts I would push here are: 1) timer management 2) nano ship concepts If you weren't anonymous, and I had a hope of a decent interaction, I might consider explaining what I love about running into gate camps. A little learning talking to these guys can go a long way. Mo
Leto Thule Origin. Black Legion. 2468	Posted - 2015.05.06 11:03:31 - [19] - Quote Sol epoch wrote: What they are saying OP is that they know nothing about low sec gatecamps and feel threatened by yout use of an alt to ask! I think I have a grand total of three kills in highsec. Pretty sure you know quite a bit about undock camping though. Are you an asshole? Do you like flying with other assholes? Can you listen to the FC and not be horribad? Origin. is recruiting!
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 517	Posted - 2015.05.06 11:10:35 - [20] - Quote it amazes me that the OP knows how to make a forum posting alt but doesnt know to make a scout for avoiding gatecamps EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
Mag's the united 19380	Posted - 2015.05.06 13:24:18 - [21] - Quote I love C&P. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Mortlake Somalian Coast Guard Authority 371	Posted - 2015.05.06 13:43:29 - [22] - Quote I substituted the word 'Gatecamps' for the word 'Ladies' and found the post to be much more entertaining.
Ria Nieyli Nieyli Enterprises 33880	Posted - 2015.05.06 13:48:55 - [23] - Quote This thread, my goodness. Why do bad threads happen to good people?
Noragen Neirfallas Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective 586	Posted - 2015.05.06 14:07:19 - [24] - Quote Mortlake wrote: I substituted the word 'Gatecamps' for the word 'Ladies' and found the post to be much more entertaining. My god this thread just got better Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment Forum BFFL of Mo
Mobadder Thworst Perkone Caldari State 345	Posted - 2015.05.06 14:58:03 - [25] - Quote Annemarie Menis wrote: Hi, I'm somewhat new to pvp. My partner and I have been trying lowsec roams to try and get into it. However, we've encountered some gatecamps in our travels and it seems that they're very hard or impossible to defend against or avoid while flying a standard combat ship. I'm just curious to know how the community at large feels about gate camps, such as how fun they are for either party (relevant? no?) or how much interesting and engaging gameplay they add to EVE. In addition, I'm curious as to whether CCP plans to remove or modify gatecamps so that there's more interactive gameplay involved. Keep in mind I'm not looking for ship fits, tips, or help avoiding/defending against gatecamps. Not to nitpick verbiage, but what could be more interactive than a gate camp? If collaboration is the goal (and I think it is the foundation of fun) we need more gate camps. I like gate camps. I like looking at them and interacting with them. I enjoy being in gate camps. Overall, I think gate camps are fantastic. I can't remember the last time I found a non-interactive gate camp. I haven't played much in a while, but this didn't used to be an issue. Mo
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1556	Posted - 2015.05.06 15:01:33 - [26] - Quote I've found non-interactive gate camps before. I'm going to assume they were afk or busy on comms, because the notion that I may have intimidated them is simply silly. I keep a thoughtgun next to the bed, fully loaded with nerdshot. Just in case.
Mobadder Thworst Perkone Caldari State 345	Posted - 2015.05.06 15:07:39 - [27] - Quote Omar Alharazaad wrote: I've found non-interactive gate camps before. I'm going to assume they were afk or busy on comms, because the notion that I may have intimidated them is simply silly. I'm pretty sure that's petition-able. No matter how you look at it, that's a defective gate camp. I would be totally intimidated by you... Especially now that I've been rejected by Marmite and the Holysheet1 corp(even though I said I liked his face piercings). Still trying to be the star of Perkone. Mo
Demerius Xenocratus Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 333	Posted - 2015.05.06 16:16:00 - [28] - Quote Gatecampers always seem to have urgent business in the nearest station when their scout sees something coming that could actually put up a fight.
Mag's the united 19383	Posted - 2015.05.06 17:16:37 - [29] - Quote Demerius Xenocratus wrote: Gatecampers always seem to have urgent business in the nearest station when their scout sees something coming that could actually put up a fight. Yea we all suck. Go figure. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 2320	Posted - 2015.05.06 18:02:24 - [30] - Quote Demerius Xenocratus wrote: Gatecampers always seem to have urgent business in the nearest station when their scout sees something coming that could actually put up a fight. They'd be pretty ******** if they just sat there waiting to die when they see a fight they can't take coming.
admiral root Red Galaxy 2736	Posted - 2015.05.06 18:10:31 - [31] - Quote Vimsy Vortis wrote: Demerius Xenocratus wrote: Gatecampers always seem to have urgent business in the nearest station when their scout sees something coming that could actually put up a fight. They'd be pretty ******** if they just sat there waiting to die when they see a fight they can't take coming. But honourable PvP! No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. A recent survey of applicants to CODE. corporations showed that 100% accepted James 315 as their saviour. You can't argue with facts.
Tengu Grib Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 1145	Posted - 2015.05.06 18:19:04 - [32] - Quote Noragen Neirfallas wrote: I thought I was being down right polite. Oh well perhaps the next person who claims to have interacted with gate camps in lowsec will have actually interacted with gate camps in lowsec and then we can discuss gate camps in lowsec. And for those wondering if i can say that 3 times fast Gatecamps in low sec gatecramps in lowshreck greatgramps in lowskek. dam I tried it and also failed.
Tengu Grib Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 1145	Posted - 2015.05.06 18:20:35 - [33] - Quote Vimsy Vortis wrote: Demerius Xenocratus wrote: Gatecampers always seem to have urgent business in the nearest station when their scout sees something coming that could actually put up a fight. They'd be pretty ******** if they just sat there waiting to die when they see a fight they can't take coming. I would agree that failing to avoid a clearly impossible fight that can easily be avoided (your scout sees it coming) would make their FC really bad at their job.
Deuce McGuilicuddy Jebediah's Minimally Invasive Salvage and Recovery 17	Posted - 2015.05.06 18:59:09 - [34] - Quote OP: Think outside the box. Fit a probe launcher and use wormholes. Hell, find one that drops you into the system they are gatecamping in, find a few friends (friendship best ship), sneak in behind enemy lines and dunk their camp. Does this take effort? Yes. Is it fun as hell? Hell yes! The universe is your oyster, don't whine about the shell, find a shucker ************!
Mag's the united 19384	Posted - 2015.05.06 19:21:36 - [35] - Quote admiral root wrote: Vimsy Vortis wrote: Demerius Xenocratus wrote: Gatecampers always seem to have urgent business in the nearest station when their scout sees something coming that could actually put up a fight. They'd be pretty ****** if they just sat there waiting to die when they see a fight they can't take coming. But honourable PvP! But not real PvP, amiright? Destination SkillQueue:- ** It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 2325	Posted - 2015.05.06 23:47:51 - [36] - Quote Good old e-bushido. Allowing habitual losers to feel better about their incompetence since 2003. "Waaa I exploded, damn those guys and their dishonorable ECM/Logistics/Numbers/Links/Implants/Boosters/Spies/Cynos/More SP/Better ships/Whatever else I want to blame my loss on, if only they had been honorable we would have won". It doesn't matter to the victor if the loser considers them honorable, all the concept does is appease the ego of the loser.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 1667	Posted - 2015.05.07 02:27:05 - [37] - Quote Annemarie Menis wrote: Hi, I'm somewhat new to pvp. My partner and I have been trying lowsec roams to try and get into it. However, we've encountered some gatecamps in our travels and it seems that they're very hard or impossible to defend against or avoid while flying a standard combat ship. I'm just curious to know how the community at large feels about gate camps, such as how fun they are for either party (relevant? no?) or how much interesting and engaging gameplay they add to EVE. In addition, I'm curious as to whether CCP plans to remove or modify gatecamps so that there's more interactive gameplay involved. Keep in mind I'm not looking for ship fits, tips, or help avoiding/defending against gatecamps. While you probably won't see this post, I'll try to reply seriously. First, what standard fit combat ships are you flying? Most MWD fit cruisers can burn back to the gate moderately safely, as can most ships with oversized prop mods, though this is a little riskier. Steps when encountering a gate camp: 1. Don't panic. 2. Hold gate cloak and look around for a bit. Observe where their tackle ships are located. Check for logistics or Ewar on field. If you decloak now, and attempt to warp, what are the chances you will be caught? If you burn away from the gate, align and attempt to kill their tackle, do you have a chance of warping off? Can you make it back to the gate? 3. Create a plan of action based on the previous questions. 4. Execute. Move to either A, B, or C below based on the plan chosen. 4a. Decloak and warp off. Good job, they didn't have enough sensor boosters, and you aligned too quickly. Or maybe their tackle was out of position. If you didn't survive, suck it up and get a new ship. 4b. Decloak, align to a celestial, and try to pick off any tackle in range. This usually depends on having a anti-support ship such as a nomen or caracal, and hoping that your enemies don't have a super tanked keres with logi support. Trying this in a lightly tanked frigate will not work against most camps. 4c. Crash the gate. Click on the gate. Hit appproach. Within 1 server tick (second) of your ship declocking, shift click and then normal click your microwarpdrive. If you do this right, your MWD will activate immediately after decloaking. Cross your fingers and pray. Hopefully you will reach the gate alive. Pay attention to who attacks you. Those people will have weapons timers. If you are in a frigate or destroyer, you might get away with jumping the gate immediately and attempting to warp. In slower ships you will want to split their forces by jumping after they attack, so some of their fleet can't follow. You can keep crashing the gate looking for an oppurtunity to execute either A or B above. As for removing gate camps, well, screw that. Yes they are an annoying choke point, but they've been here for 12 years, and are an integral part of the game. Founder of Violet Squadron, a small gang NPSI community! Mail me for more information. BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie's Space Mediation Service!
Mobadder Thworst Perkone Caldari State 351	Posted - 2015.05.07 02:47:48 - [38] - Quote BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: Annemarie Menis wrote: Hi, I'm somewhat new to pvp. My partner and I have been trying lowsec roams to try and get into it. However, we've encountered some gatecamps in our travels and it seems that they're very hard or impossible to defend against or avoid while flying a standard combat ship. I'm just curious to know how the community at large feels about gate camps, such as how fun they are for either party (relevant? no?) or how much interesting and engaging gameplay they add to EVE. In addition, I'm curious as to whether CCP plans to remove or modify gatecamps so that there's more interactive gameplay involved. Keep in mind I'm not looking for ship fits, tips, or help avoiding/defending against gatecamps. While you probably won't see this post, I'll try to reply seriously. First, what standard fit combat ships are you flying? Most MWD fit cruisers can burn back to the gate moderately safely, as can most ships with oversized prop mods, though this is a little riskier. Steps when encountering a gate camp: 1. Don't panic. 2. Hold gate cloak and look around for a bit. Observe where their tackle ships are located. Check for logistics or Ewar on field. If you decloak now, and attempt to warp, what are the chances you will be caught? If you burn away from the gate, align and attempt to kill their tackle, do you have a chance of warping off? Can you make it back to the gate? 3. Create a plan of action based on the previous questions. 4. Execute. Move to either A, B, or C below based on the plan chosen. 4a. Decloak and warp off. Good job, they didn't have enough sensor boosters, and you aligned too quickly. Or maybe their tackle was out of position. If you didn't survive, suck it up and get a new ship. 4b. Decloak, align to a celestial, and try to pick off any tackle in range. This usually depends on having a anti-support ship such as a nomen or caracal, and hoping that your enemies don't have a super tanked keres with logi support. Trying this in a lightly tanked frigate will not work against most camps. 4c. Crash the gate. Click on the gate. Hit appproach. Within 1 server tick (second) of your ship declocking, shift click and then normal click your microwarpdrive. If you do this right, your MWD will activate immediately after decloaking. Cross your fingers and pray. Hopefully you will reach the gate alive. Pay attention to who attacks you. Those people will have weapons timers. If you are in a frigate or destroyer, you might get away with jumping the gate immediately and attempting to warp. In slower ships you will want to split their forces by jumping after they attack, so some of their fleet can't follow. You can keep crashing the gate looking for an oppurtunity to execute either A or B above. As for removing gate camps, well, screw that. Yes they are an annoying choke point, but they've been here for 12 years, and are an integral part of the game. +1 bebop. In light of this, I'll add something of value. Read lesson 7 (timers) in this old tutorial I wrote: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=290227 It'll explain the basis of your options if you land in the camp on gate and have not jumped. Bebop accurately describes your situation if you discover the camp after you jump. The next lesson is building nano ships for gate camps. I explain nano ships either in this tutorial or the one before it (linked in the start of the tutorial). Idea is this: make a battle cruiser/hac so fast that nothing that could catch it can withstand flying into its guns. Then you always run away so that you can project damage perfectly behind you. This doesn't work well solo with missiles due to their weaknesses at speed. It, as well as oversized AB ships, is viable and fun.
Demerius Xenocratus Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 341	Posted - 2015.05.07 16:41:38 - [39] - Quote Mobadder Thworst wrote: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: Annemarie Menis wrote: Hi, I'm somewhat new to pvp. My partner and I have been trying lowsec roams to try and get into it. However, we've encountered some gatecamps in our travels and it seems that they're very hard or impossible to defend against or avoid while flying a standard combat ship. I'm just curious to know how the community at large feels about gate camps, such as how fun they are for either party (relevant? no?) or how much interesting and engaging gameplay they add to EVE. In addition, I'm curious as to whether CCP plans to remove or modify gatecamps so that there's more interactive gameplay involved. Keep in mind I'm not looking for ship fits, tips, or help avoiding/defending against gatecamps. While you probably won't see this post, I'll try to reply seriously. First, what standard fit combat ships are you flying? Most MWD fit cruisers can burn back to the gate moderately safely, as can most ships with oversized prop mods, though this is a little riskier. Steps when encountering a gate camp: 1. Don't panic. 2. Hold gate cloak and look around for a bit. Observe where their tackle ships are located. Check for logistics or Ewar on field. If you decloak now, and attempt to warp, what are the chances you will be caught? If you burn away from the gate, align and attempt to kill their tackle, do you have a chance of warping off? Can you make it back to the gate? 3. Create a plan of action based on the previous questions. 4. Execute. Move to either A, B, or C below based on the plan chosen. 4a. Decloak and warp off. Good job, they didn't have enough sensor boosters, and you aligned too quickly. Or maybe their tackle was out of position. If you didn't survive, suck it up and get a new ship. 4b. Decloak, align to a celestial, and try to pick off any tackle in range. This usually depends on having a anti-support ship such as a nomen or caracal, and hoping that your enemies don't have a super tanked keres with logi support. Trying this in a lightly tanked frigate will not work against most camps. 4c. Crash the gate. Click on the gate. Hit appproach. Within 1 server tick (second) of your ship declocking, shift click and then normal click your microwarpdrive. If you do this right, your MWD will activate immediately after decloaking. Cross your fingers and pray. Hopefully you will reach the gate alive. Pay attention to who attacks you. Those people will have weapons timers. If you are in a frigate or destroyer, you might get away with jumping the gate immediately and attempting to warp. In slower ships you will want to split their forces by jumping after they attack, so some of their fleet can't follow. You can keep crashing the gate looking for an oppurtunity to execute either A or B above. As for removing gate camps, well, screw that. Yes they are an annoying choke point, but they've been here for 12 years, and are an integral part of the game. +1 bebop. In light of this, I'll add something of value. Read lesson 7 (timers) in this old tutorial I wrote: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=290227 It'll explain the basis of your options if you land in the camp on gate and have not jumped. Bebop accurately describes your situation if you discover the camp after you jump. The next lesson is building nano ships for gate camps. I explain nano ships either in this tutorial or the one before it (linked in the start of the tutorial). Idea is this: make a battle cruiser/hac so fast that nothing that could catch it can withstand flying into its guns. Then you always run away so that you can project damage perfectly behind you. This doesn't work well solo with missiles due to their weaknesses at speed. It, as well as oversized AB ships, is viable and fun. If they are not utter morons they will have instalock + ranged web/scram (Arazu and Ashimmu are popular for these purposes). Fit all the nanos you want, it won't matter. If it's a half ass gate camp you can probably warp off or burn back to gate before they wake up.
Demerius Xenocratus Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 341	Posted - 2015.05.07 17:01:18 - [40] - Quote Vimsy Vortis wrote: Good old e-bushido. Allowing habitual losers to feel better about their incompetence since 2003. "Waaa I exploded, damn those guys and their dishonorable ECM/Logistics/Numbers/Links/Implants/Boosters/Spies/Cynos/More SP/Better ships/Whatever else I want to blame my loss on, if only they had been honorable we would have won". It doesn't matter to the victor if the loser considers them honorable, all the concept does is appease the ego of the loser. Pretty sure you can't light a cyno in highsec. So you needn't worry. And you can just hide all your other CONCORD-protected trump cards on neutral alts. No one with a brain is impressed.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 1673	Posted - 2015.05.07 18:28:10 - [41] - Quote Demerius Xenocratus wrote: If they are not utter morons they will have instalock + ranged web/scram (Arazu and Ashimmu are popular for these purposes). Fit all the nanos you want, it won't matter. If it's a half ass gate camp you can probably warp off or burn back to gate before they wake up. Why do people assume that anyone not fielding t2/pirate faction cruisers shouldn't be in low/null? You also assume that the Azaru/Keres/Gamur/Lachesis/Interceptor is actually paying attention and positioned correctly. Even if it is, you can sometimes get off enough of a cycle to have the momentum to make it back to the gate when the scram lands. As for webs, yes having them is ideal, but this also means another ship perma tanking gate guns. I think we can all agree that if you jump a gate solo and there is 25+ people there with resbos and a long point ship you aren't going to survive. If the camp is 5 people, you probably have a shot depending on fits. Founder of Violet Squadron, a small gang NPSI community! Mail me for more information. BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie's Space Mediation Service!
Mobadder Thworst Perkone Caldari State 353	Posted - 2015.05.07 20:25:58 - [42] - Quote Demerius Xenocratus wrote: Mobadder Thworst wrote: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: Annemarie Menis wrote: Hi, I'm somewhat new to pvp. My partner and I have been trying lowsec roams to try and get into it. However, we've encountered some gatecamps in our travels and it seems that they're very hard or impossible to defend against or avoid while flying a standard combat ship. I'm just curious to know how the community at large feels about gate camps, such as how fun they are for either party (relevant? no?) or how much interesting and engaging gameplay they add to EVE. In addition, I'm curious as to whether CCP plans to remove or modify gatecamps so that there's more interactive gameplay involved. Keep in mind I'm not looking for ship fits, tips, or help avoiding/defending against gatecamps. While you probably won't see this post, I'll try to reply seriously. First, what standard fit combat ships are you flying? Most MWD fit cruisers can burn back to the gate moderately safely, as can most ships with oversized prop mods, though this is a little riskier. Steps when encountering a gate camp: 1. Don't panic. 2. Hold gate cloak and look around for a bit. Observe where their tackle ships are located. Check for logistics or Ewar on field. If you decloak now, and attempt to warp, what are the chances you will be caught? If you burn away from the gate, align and attempt to kill their tackle, do you have a chance of warping off? Can you make it back to the gate? 3. Create a plan of action based on the previous questions. 4. Execute. Move to either A, B, or C below based on the plan chosen. 4a. Decloak and warp off. Good job, they didn't have enough sensor boosters, and you aligned too quickly. Or maybe their tackle was out of position. If you didn't survive, suck it up and get a new ship. 4b. Decloak, align to a celestial, and try to pick off any tackle in range. This usually depends on having a anti-support ship such as a nomen or caracal, and hoping that your enemies don't have a super tanked keres with logi support. Trying this in a lightly tanked frigate will not work against most camps. 4c. Crash the gate. Click on the gate. Hit appproach. Within 1 server tick (second) of your ship declocking, shift click and then normal click your microwarpdrive. If you do this right, your MWD will activate immediately after decloaking. Cross your fingers and pray. Hopefully you will reach the gate alive. Pay attention to who attacks you. Those people will have weapons timers. If you are in a frigate or destroyer, you might get away with jumping the gate immediately and attempting to warp. In slower ships you will want to split their forces by jumping after they attack, so some of their fleet can't follow. You can keep crashing the gate looking for an oppurtunity to execute either A or B above. As for removing gate camps, well, screw that. Yes they are an annoying choke point, but they've been here for 12 years, and are an integral part of the game. +1 bebop. In light of this, I'll add something of value. Read lesson 7 (timers) in this old tutorial I wrote: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=290227 It'll explain the basis of your options if you land in the camp on gate and have not jumped. Bebop accurately describes your situation if you discover the camp after you jump. The next lesson is building nano ships for gate camps. I explain nano ships either in this tutorial or the one before it (linked in the start of the tutorial). Idea is this: make a battle cruiser/hac so fast that nothing that could catch it can withstand flying into its guns. Then you always run away so that you can project damage perfectly behind you. This doesn't work well solo with missiles due to their weaknesses at speed. It, as well as oversized AB ships, is viable and fun. If they are not utter morons they will have instalock + ranged web/scram (Arazu and Ashimmu are popular for these purposes). Fit all the nanos you want, it won't matter. If it's a half ass gate camp you can probably warp off or burn back to gate before they wake up. I have been mostly forums lately, but by your definition I've clearly not encountered many gate camps that aren't half assed. Yeah, if they've got the right stuff you'll lose any fight. However, I think a gun fit t1 MWD nano bc or 100mn t3 remains valid( has to be gun fit if you are solo). I'm not talking about using nano to burn back to the gate, the theory of using the fast BC is to burn away from your enemy so they have to fly up your tail taking full dps with small fast ships. I can post some battle logs where this worked if you want. I As for the oversized AB fits, have you ever tried to tackle a 100mn cruiser or 10mn frig? It's not easy.
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 2331	Posted - 2015.05.07 21:45:07 - [43] - Quote Demerius Xenocratus wrote: Pretty sure you can't light a cyno in highsec. So you needn't worry. And you can just hide all your other CONCORD-protected trump cards on neutral alts. No one with a brain is impressed. Firstly what the hell are you talking about? Secondly you sound super upset about something, but I don't know what.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1562	Posted - 2015.05.07 21:55:19 - [44] - Quote Mag's wrote: admiral root wrote: Vimsy Vortis wrote: Demerius Xenocratus wrote: Gatecampers always seem to have urgent business in the nearest station when their scout sees something coming that could actually put up a fight. They'd be pretty ******** if they just sat there waiting to die when they see a fight they can't take coming. But honourable PvP! But not real PvP, amiright? Any PvP that is not my PvP is not honourable PvP. Any PvP that is not my PvP is not real PvP. We all get set in our own worldviews as to what is right and good and worthy, sometimes we fail to accept that differing views are just as valid. I honestly cannot say that my PvP is honorable, but I'm honest. Who knows, maybe it is? I do honor any ransoms I offer, but they tend to be pretty rare. I know others who are honorable, but are dishonest. And then those who are neither, but are great fun to fly with. shrug I keep a thoughtgun next to the bed, fully loaded with nerdshot. Just in case.
Demerius Xenocratus Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 341	Posted - 2015.05.07 21:59:53 - [45] - Quote BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: Demerius Xenocratus wrote: If they are not utter morons they will have instalock + ranged web/scram (Arazu and Ashimmu are popular for these purposes). Fit all the nanos you want, it won't matter. If it's a half ass gate camp you can probably warp off or burn back to gate before they wake up. Why do people assume that anyone not fielding t2/pirate faction cruisers shouldn't be in low/null? You also assume that the Azaru/Keres/Gamur/Lachesis/Interceptor is actually paying attention and positioned correctly. Even if it is, you can sometimes get off enough of a cycle to have the momentum to make it back to the gate when the scram lands. As for webs, yes having them is ideal, but this also means another ship perma tanking gate guns. I think we can all agree that if you jump a gate solo and there is 25+ people there with resbos and a long point ship you aren't going to survive. If the camp is 5 people, you probably have a shot depending on fits. The beauty of 20k+ web and scram is that you don't actually need to be paying attention. As for your first sentence, I agree it's quite the opposite. You can do great pvp in cheap ships up to and including T1 cruisers, and a frigate is not going to be caught except by a very awake instalocker with high alpha. Gatecampers would love to see less of those and more loot pinata faction cruisers. 5-6 ships is plenty for an effective camp. Just try to fly through a place like Rancer where gatecamping is someone's full time job.
Demerius Xenocratus Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 341	Posted - 2015.05.07 22:05:27 - [46] - Quote Vimsy Vortis wrote: Demerius Xenocratus wrote: Pretty sure you can't light a cyno in highsec. So you needn't worry. And you can just hide all your other CONCORD-protected trump cards on neutral alts. No one with a brain is impressed. Firstly what the hell are you talking about? Secondly you sound super upset about something, but I don't know what. Maybe your assertion that anyone criticizing things like OGB, constant risk averse blobbing and ignorance of the role SP plays in engagements is a habitual loser. Elitism from highsec mercs is laughable. What you do is not hard.
Demerius Xenocratus Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 342	Posted - 2015.05.07 22:54:58 - [47] - Quote Mobadder Thworst wrote: Demerius Xenocratus wrote: Mobadder Thworst wrote: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: Annemarie Menis wrote: Hi, I'm somewhat new to pvp. My partner and I have been trying lowsec roams to try and get into it. However, we've encountered some gatecamps in our travels and it seems that they're very hard or impossible to defend against or avoid while flying a standard combat ship. I'm just curious to know how the community at large feels about gate camps, such as how fun they are for either party (relevant? no?) or how much interesting and engaging gameplay they add to EVE. In addition, I'm curious as to whether CCP plans to remove or modify gatecamps so that there's more interactive gameplay involved. Keep in mind I'm not looking for ship fits, tips, or help avoiding/defending against gatecamps. While you probably won't see this post, I'll try to reply seriously. First, what standard fit combat ships are you flying? Most MWD fit cruisers can burn back to the gate moderately safely, as can most ships with oversized prop mods, though this is a little riskier. Steps when encountering a gate camp: 1. Don't panic. 2. Hold gate cloak and look around for a bit. Observe where their tackle ships are located. Check for logistics or Ewar on field. If you decloak now, and attempt to warp, what are the chances you will be caught? If you burn away from the gate, align and attempt to kill their tackle, do you have a chance of warping off? Can you make it back to the gate? 3. Create a plan of action based on the previous questions. 4. Execute. Move to either A, B, or C below based on the plan chosen. 4a. Decloak and warp off. Good job, they didn't have enough sensor boosters, and you aligned too quickly. Or maybe their tackle was out of position. If you didn't survive, suck it up and get a new ship. 4b. Decloak, align to a celestial, and try to pick off any tackle in range. This usually depends on having a anti-support ship such as a nomen or caracal, and hoping that your enemies don't have a super tanked keres with logi support. Trying this in a lightly tanked frigate will not work against most camps. 4c. Crash the gate. Click on the gate. Hit appproach. Within 1 server tick (second) of your ship declocking, shift click and then normal click your microwarpdrive. If you do this right, your MWD will activate immediately after decloaking. Cross your fingers and pray. Hopefully you will reach the gate alive. Pay attention to who attacks you. Those people will have weapons timers. If you are in a frigate or destroyer, you might get away with jumping the gate immediately and attempting to warp. In slower ships you will want to split their forces by jumping after they attack, so some of their fleet can't follow. You can keep crashing the gate looking for an oppurtunity to execute either A or B above. As for removing gate camps, well, screw that. Yes they are an annoying choke point, but they've been here for 12 years, and are an integral part of the game. +1 bebop. In light of this, I'll add something of value. Read lesson 7 (timers) in this old tutorial I wrote: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=290227 It'll explain the basis of your options if you land in the camp on gate and have not jumped. Bebop accurately describes your situation if you discover the camp after you jump. The next lesson is building nano ships for gate camps. I explain nano ships either in this tutorial or the one before it (linked in the start of the tutorial). Idea is this: make a battle cruiser/hac so fast that nothing that could catch it can withstand flying into its guns. Then you always run away so that you can project damage perfectly behind you. This doesn't work well solo with missiles due to their weaknesses at speed. It, as well as oversized AB ships, is viable and fun. If they are not utter morons they will have instalock + ranged web/scram (Arazu and Ashimmu are popular for these purposes). Fit all the nanos you want, it won't matter. If it's a half ass gate camp you can probably warp off or burn back to gate before they wake up. I have been mostly forums lately, but by your definition I've clearly not encountered many gate camps that aren't half assed. Yeah, if they've got the right stuff you'll lose any fight. However, I think a gun fit t1 MWD nano bc or 100mn t3 remains valid( has to be gun fit if you are solo). I'm not talking about using nano to burn back to the gate, the theory of using the fast BC is to burn away from your enemy so they have to fly up your tail taking full dps with small fast ships. I can post some battle logs where this worked if you want. I As for the oversized AB fits, have you ever tried to tackle a 100mn cruiser or 10mn frig? It's not easy. I would enjoy seeing examples of this.
Mobadder Thworst Perkone Caldari State 356	Posted - 2015.05.07 23:14:58 - [48] - Quote 100mn Tengu and nano came http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/engagement.php?id=13774265 Usually you just kill tackles, this is about the only example of a full party wipe I have. Mo
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 2332	Posted - 2015.05.08 01:59:43 - [49] - Quote Demerius Xenocratus wrote: Maybe your assertion that anyone criticizing things like OGB, constant risk averse blobbing and ignorance of the role SP plays in engagements is a habitual loser. Elitism from highsec mercs is laughable. What you do is not hard. Please explain more about how winners are bad for winning, and how complaints about people using completely legitimate game mechanics to win fights is in any way legitimate.
Noragen Neirfallas Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective 601	Posted - 2015.05.08 03:49:58 - [50] - Quote Vimsy Vortis wrote: Demerius Xenocratus wrote: Pretty sure you can't light a cyno in highsec. So you needn't worry. And you can just hide all your other CONCORD-protected trump cards on neutral alts. No one with a brain is impressed. Firstly what the hell are you talking about? Secondly you sound super upset about something, but I don't know what. He is a butt hurt lowsec elitist who got touched by highsec station campers once and has never fully recovered from the experience as it was a huge blow to his ego Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment Forum BFFL of Mo
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 1674	Posted - 2015.05.08 04:04:33 - [51] - Quote Demerius Xenocratus wrote: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: Demerius Xenocratus wrote: If they are not utter morons they will have instalock + ranged web/scram (Arazu and Ashimmu are popular for these purposes). Fit all the nanos you want, it won't matter. If it's a half ass gate camp you can probably warp off or burn back to gate before they wake up. Why do people assume that anyone not fielding t2/pirate faction cruisers shouldn't be in low/null? You also assume that the Azaru/Keres/Gamur/Lachesis/Interceptor is actually paying attention and positioned correctly. Even if it is, you can sometimes get off enough of a cycle to have the momentum to make it back to the gate when the scram lands. As for webs, yes having them is ideal, but this also means another ship perma tanking gate guns. I think we can all agree that if you jump a gate solo and there is 25+ people there with resbos and a long point ship you aren't going to survive. If the camp is 5 people, you probably have a shot depending on fits. The beauty of 20k+ web and scram is that you don't actually need to be paying attention. As for your first sentence, I agree it's quite the opposite. You can do great pvp in cheap ships up to and including T1 cruisers, and a frigate is not going to be caught except by a very awake instalocker with high alpha. Gatecampers would love to see less of those and more loot pinata faction cruisers. 5-6 ships is plenty for an effective camp. Just try to fly through a place like Rancer where gatecamping is someone's full time job. I regularly jump through Tama while its camped. It can be quite fun, but then again I usually fly frigates. Founder of Violet Squadron, a small gang NPSI community! Mail me for more information. BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie's Space Mediation Service!
Demerius Xenocratus Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 342	Posted - 2015.05.08 17:12:44 - [52] - Quote Mobadder Thworst wrote: 100mn Tengu and nano came http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/engagement.php?id=13774265 Usually you just kill tackles, this is about the only example of a full party wipe I have. I like playing nano ships. Note: this isn't the entire fight... We killed a lot more than this. We were using a gate to split them so it broke up the battle logs. Check that date for kills in the Eve Pilot Help Center killboard on BC. Mo I can't really tell what happened there. Battleclinic is useless since they decided it needed "fixing." Also I believe nano canes are no longer viable as I'm told they were nerfed hard before I even started playing.
Demerius Xenocratus Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 342	Posted - 2015.05.08 17:20:38 - [53] - Quote Vimsy Vortis wrote: Demerius Xenocratus wrote: Maybe your assertion that anyone criticizing things like OGB, constant risk averse blobbing and ignorance of the role SP plays in engagements is a habitual loser. Elitism from highsec mercs is laughable. What you do is not hard. Please explain more about how winners are bad for winning, and how complaints about people using completely legitimate game mechanics to win fights are in any way legitimate. You make me laugh. You're full of yourself for "winning" at the laziest form of combat in the game. Why don't you just go play Tetris?
Demerius Xenocratus Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 342	Posted - 2015.05.08 17:23:45 - [54] - Quote Noragen Neirfallas wrote: Vimsy Vortis wrote: Demerius Xenocratus wrote: Pretty sure you can't light a cyno in highsec. So you needn't worry. And you can just hide all your other CONCORD-protected trump cards on neutral alts. No one with a brain is impressed. Firstly what the hell are you talking about? Secondly you sound super upset about something, but I don't know what. He is a butt hurt lowsec elitist who got touched by highsec station campers once and has never fully recovered from the experience as it was a huge blow to his ego I play in every region of space. My observation has been that the bittervet pvp'ers in highsec have egos disproportionate to their actual accomplishments.
McChicken Combo HalfMayo The Happy Meal 635	Posted - 2015.05.08 17:25:08 - [55] - Quote I've got a full bag of popcorn here so if anyone needs some extra don't hesitate to ask. There are all our dominion Gate camps: "Its like the lowsec watercooler, just with explosions and boose" - Ralph King-Griffin
Mobadder Thworst Perkone Caldari State 365	Posted - 2015.05.08 18:55:34 - [56] - Quote Demerius Xenocratus wrote: Mobadder Thworst wrote: 100mn Tengu and nano came http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/engagement.php?id=13774265 Usually you just kill tackles, this is about the only example of a full party wipe I have. I like playing nano ships. Note: this isn't the entire fight... We killed a lot more than this. We were using a gate to split them so it broke up the battle logs. Check that date for kills in the Eve Pilot Help Center killboard on BC. Mo I can't really tell what happened there. Battleclinic is useless since they decided it needed "fixing." Also I believe nano canes are no longer viable as I'm told they were nerfed hard before I even started playing. I've enjoyed some of your posts and have no issue with your playstyle. However, I find you very dismissive when I try to converse with you. Yes, the cane was nerfed. Yes, the Tengu was nerfed. However, high speed maneuver tactics are just as valid today as they were then. If you want to talk about gameplay, that's cool. If you've already realized there is nothing anyone else can teach you, then I'll start saving myself the effort of responding. Mo
Demerius Xenocratus Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 343	Posted - 2015.05.08 19:09:34 - [57] - Quote Mobadder Thworst wrote: Demerius Xenocratus wrote: Mobadder Thworst wrote: 100mn Tengu and nano came http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/engagement.php?id=13774265 Usually you just kill tackles, this is about the only example of a full party wipe I have. I like playing nano ships. Note: this isn't the entire fight... We killed a lot more than this. We were using a gate to split them so it broke up the battle logs. Check that date for kills in the Eve Pilot Help Center killboard on BC. Mo I can't really tell what happened there. Battleclinic is useless since they decided it needed "fixing." Also I believe nano canes are no longer viable as I'm told they were nerfed hard before I even started playing. I've enjoyed some of your posts and have no issue with your playstyle. However, I find you very dismissive when I try to converse with you. Yes, the cane was nerfed. Yes, the Tengu was nerfed. However, high speed maneuver tactics are just as valid today as they were then. If you want to talk about gameplay, that's cool. If you've already realized there is nothing anyone else can teach you, then I'll start saving myself the effort of responding. I would gladly go out and try to crash a gate camp with you. I'm currently limited to Gallente HACs/T3s and BC/BS with level 4 skills, not sure if any of those would be effective. Killing gate campers is immensely more satisfying than being one of them. I tend to lean towards drone boats, 100mn Ishtar or hull tanked VNI are options.
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 3879	Posted - 2015.05.08 22:36:57 - [58] - Quote I've got killed by gatecamps and podded too. I've evaded them and fought them. I've gate camped myself, killed stuff, died (even to gate guns rofl), repped gate gunfire. The day gatecamps disappeared I'll feel sad and probably cry. Are gatecamps elite pvp? Ehm, no. But then again Mag's wrote: Yea we all suck. Go figure. Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Mobadder Thworst Perkone Caldari State 366	Posted - 2015.05.08 22:42:58 - [59] - Quote Demerius Xenocratus wrote: Mobadder Thworst wrote: Demerius Xenocratus wrote: Mobadder Thworst wrote: 100mn Tengu and nano came http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/engagement.php?id=13774265 Usually you just kill tackles, this is about the only example of a full party wipe I have. I like playing nano ships. Note: this isn't the entire fight... We killed a lot more than this. We were using a gate to split them so it broke up the battle logs. Check that date for kills in the Eve Pilot Help Center killboard on BC. Mo I can't really tell what happened there. Battleclinic is useless since they decided it needed "fixing." Also I believe nano canes are no longer viable as I'm told they were nerfed hard before I even started playing. I've enjoyed some of your posts and have no issue with your playstyle. However, I find you very dismissive when I try to converse with you. Yes, the cane was nerfed. Yes, the Tengu was nerfed. However, high speed maneuver tactics are just as valid today as they were then. If you want to talk about gameplay, that's cool. If you've already realized there is nothing anyone else can teach you, then I'll start saving myself the effort of responding. I would gladly go out and try to crash a gate camp with you. I'm currently limited to Gallente HACs/T3s and BC/BS with level 4 skills, not sure if any of those would be effective. Killing gate campers is immensely more satisfying than being one of them. I tend to lean towards drone boats, 100mn Ishtar or hull tanked VNI are options. If I ever manage to log in again, let's do it. If you look the day after that Battle log I posted earlier, I lost my nano cane. You could check build there if you want. I've lost quite a few nano canes, it was my favorite playstyle for a long time. Missiles are bad for this solo, but if you are doing it in fleet it's great if someone has them. They're just too weak against small fast ships... But they're great for harassing fire. I don't like drones for this, but I've heard of people doing it. Deimos actually does this quite well and I've used it this way( though with the advancement of rails, I bet you could do thorax or Brutix... Though I've never tried) I left a Deimos fit for this somewhere in low sec, I'm sure we could meet up and go for a jaunt. Keep in mind that I also still owe Tengu Grim an Ibis match in Umokka that I'm a month behind on delivering. Please be patient, fresh baby in the house.
Daerrol Quantum Singularities Half Massed 150	Posted - 2015.05.08 23:02:54 - [60] - Quote Demerius Xenocratus wrote: Vimsy Vortis wrote: Demerius Xenocratus wrote: Pretty sure you can't light a cyno in highsec. So you needn't worry. And you can just hide all your other CONCORD-protected trump cards on neutral alts. No one with a brain is impressed. Firstly what the hell are you talking about? Secondly you sound super upset about something, but I don't know what. Maybe your assertion that anyone criticizing things like OGB, constant risk averse blobbing and ignorance of the role SP plays in engagements is a habitual loser. Elitism from highsec mercs is laughable. What you do is not hard. SP barely matters after ~10-15m depending on level of specialization.
Chukin Nova Basgerin Pirate 2	Posted - 2015.05.08 23:58:58 - [61] - Quote Hmm after reading through this thread I only have one question. What the heck is a Gate camp? I have never seen or heard of these elusive things, maybe you could be so kind as to explain in layman's terms.
Noragen Neirfallas Dedicated and Dangerous The Marmite Collective 607	Posted - 2015.05.09 00:09:48 - [62] - Quote Chukin Nova wrote: Hmm after reading through this thread I only have one question. What the heck is a Gate camp? I have never seen or heard of these elusive things, maybe you could be so kind as to explain in layman's terms. To quote a great capsuleer 'gate camps are like the water cooler of low sec. Except with alcohol and explosions' Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment Forum BFFL of Mo
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 1676	Posted - 2015.05.09 02:29:32 - [63] - Quote Chukin Nova wrote: Hmm after reading through this thread I only have one question. What the heck is a Gate camp? I have never seen or heard of these elusive things, maybe you could be so kind as to explain in layman's terms. So you hike out to the wilderness (low sec), build a campfire in a flat area (hump the gate like a rabid dog), and periodically shoot any deer (other capsuleers) that walk by. Founder of Violet Squadron, a small gang NPSI community! Mail me for more information. BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie's Space Mediation Service!
SghnDubh BattleClinic 31	Posted - 2015.05.09 03:33:06 - [64] - Quote If you want better results on BattleClinic put your corp API in, and your members. The more APIs the better the accuracy. Of course you could just petition CCP to release a feed of all KMs...instead of this weird half-ass killboard interface they've concocted. Killboard, Loadouts, PLEX and EVEMon at BattleClinic

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