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Maverick Tiberius Kirk Echelon Research SpaceMonkey's Alliance 5	Posted - 2015.05.08 11:52:40 - [1] - Quote I have 2.3 Billion i thought i was rich. I see some of you guys with hundreds of billions... Please tell me how do I make that much money
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 5075	Posted - 2015.05.08 12:18:54 - [2] - Quote I'm space middle class - probably worth about 100b total (not counting the value of my characters were I to sell them). Rich is an EVE player that can decide, on a whim, "I want to buy a Titan and a pilot to sit in it" and can do so without really hurting. How do you get there? Buy low, sell high, and do so on things that are scalable. Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out. I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
Big Lynx 1299	Posted - 2015.05.08 12:19:14 - [3] - Quote Platinum American Express
Samillian Angry Mustellid The Periphery 776	Posted - 2015.05.08 12:22:40 - [4] - Quote Big Lynx wrote: Platinum American Express Aalternatively patience, knowledge and effort. Its much more satisfying. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 546	Posted - 2015.05.08 12:25:03 - [5] - Quote depends if you mean liquid or total including assets, personally i have stopped holding liquid because i end up losing it all on iwantisk so i buy assets instead but trading never worked for me either EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 5077	Posted - 2015.05.08 12:26:21 - [6] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: depends if you mean liquid or total including assets, personally i have stopped holding liquid because i end up losing it all on iwantisk so i buy assets instead but trading never worked for me either Proof running a gambling site is the best scam in EVE You don't even need to lie. Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out. I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 546	Posted - 2015.05.08 12:31:17 - [7] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Lan Wang wrote: depends if you mean liquid or total including assets, personally i have stopped holding liquid because i end up losing it all on iwantisk so i buy assets instead but trading never worked for me either Proof running a gambling site is the best scam in EVE You don't even need to lie. yup but its hard to realise "ah just another bil and ill win this jump freighter" before you know it your down more than the freighter costs in jita EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 5078	Posted - 2015.05.08 12:36:05 - [8] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Lan Wang wrote: depends if you mean liquid or total including assets, personally i have stopped holding liquid because i end up losing it all on iwantisk so i buy assets instead but trading never worked for me either Proof running a gambling site is the best scam in EVE You don't even need to lie. yup but its hard to realise "ah just another bil and ill win this jump freighter" before you know it your down more than the freighter costs in jita You got scammed every bit as much as the people I used to trick into accepting contracts. "halp I got my storyline mission item stolen by a ganker, need Elite Drone AI bad, paying 400m - [Want to Buy]: Elite Drone AI" with a contract that's a renamed 'want to sell' contract. That one probably doesn't work any more, although I guess I could do it with Militants instead. Every mission runner has lots of Militants. Some RL advice to the player behind the screen - read up on the psychology of gambling if you honestly believe 'I deserve to win soon, it's been ages'. You need to take some maths classes IRL to get those misconceptions about probability out of your head - they will cost you a lot of money. Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out. I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 5078	Posted - 2015.05.08 12:36:50 - [9] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Lan Wang wrote: depends if you mean liquid or total including assets, personally i have stopped holding liquid because i end up losing it all on iwantisk so i buy assets instead but trading never worked for me either Proof running a gambling site is the best scam in EVE You don't even need to lie. yup but its hard to realise "ah just another bil and ill win this jump freighter" before you know it your down more than the freighter costs in jita You got scammed every bit as much as the people I used to trick into accepting contracts. "halp I got my storyline mission item stolen by a ganker, need Elite Drone AI bad, paying 400m - [Want to Buy]: Elite Drone AI" with a contract that's a renamed 'want to sell' contract. That one probably doesn't work any more, although I guess I could do it with Militants instead. Every mission runner has lots of Militants. Some RL advice to the player behind the screen - read up on the psychology of gambling if you honestly believe 'I deserve to win soon, it's been ages'. You need to take some maths classes IRL to get those misconceptions about probability out of your head - they will cost you a lot of money. Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out. I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 548	Posted - 2015.05.08 13:28:05 - [10] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Lan Wang wrote: Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Lan Wang wrote: depends if you mean liquid or total including assets, personally i have stopped holding liquid because i end up losing it all on iwantisk so i buy assets instead but trading never worked for me either Proof running a gambling site is the best scam in EVE You don't even need to lie. yup but its hard to realise "ah just another bil and ill win this jump freighter" before you know it your down more than the freighter costs in jita You got scammed every bit as much as the people I used to trick into accepting contracts. "halp I got my storyline mission item stolen by a ganker, need Elite Drone AI bad, paying 400m - [Want to Buy]: Elite Drone AI" with a contract that's a renamed 'want to sell' contract. That one probably doesn't work any more, although I guess I could do it with Militants instead. Every mission runner has lots of Militants. Some RL advice to the player behind the screen - read up on the psychology of gambling if you honestly believe 'I deserve to win soon, it's been ages'. You need to take some maths classes IRL to get those misconceptions about probability out of your head - they will cost you a lot of money. nah not really, your assuming isk has an impact on my rl, which it doesnt, its merely like playing poker with free credits which you dont care about because they dont affect you, it would be nice to win the freighter and sometimes you do but you always do end up spending more than you win in the end i know all this, but yeah it can be fun sometimes, just like flying a blingy ship around solo looking to welp it, you know your gonna get blobbed but you still just go ahead and do it. its all fun in the end EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
u3pog Ministerstvo na otbranata 27	Posted - 2015.05.08 14:18:43 - [11] - Quote There is no easy way of making a lot of ISK. It takes years of effort, some luck and intelligence to get there. Some people may claim: hey, I make 1 bil per hour...however they forget to mention their high skilled pilot, investing in Dreadnought and who knows how many other alts to scan the wormhole, for repairs or simply to keep an eye on the entrances. They also forget how much time it took them to actually find a suitable wormhole, but hey, they earn 1 bil per hour...Maybe, after everything else is prepared. Oh, do not forget you need to move stuff to trade hub where you actually make that money. Trading involves market pvp, so you can lose a lot if you're not careful, or CCP makes a change. Ganking is not always profitable and it takes a lot of survey and some luck. Arguably the safest way to make isk right now is by doing incursions, but there is a huge thread on GD forums regarding the matter. And plenty more activities out there, even scamming takes time to plan and spam.
lord xavier Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 62	Posted - 2015.05.08 17:04:14 - [12] - Quote There are plenty of ways to make isk in this game. All of them take patience and time though. Whether you run level 4 missions in high/null sec, level 5 missions in lowsec, ratting, incursions, wormholes, trading, or whatever you do for isk. It really depends on what you want to do with your time, what you find the most enjoyable so you do not get bored. Also what is available to you with your capabilities. I know people with several hundred bill who do nothing but PVE in Wormholes, Incursions or Level 5 missions. I also know people in the same boat who do market trading, scamming, character trading or just investing. Just depends on what you have the patience for.
HeXxploiT Big Diggers Get Off My Lawn 141	Posted - 2015.05.08 17:13:25 - [13] - Quote Know your products know your markets. Many in eve such as winners of the T2 BPO lotteries just ended up with that money in their lap but still don't have a clue how to make isk. The real trick is to take the capital you have and turn it into more capital. 70% of my assets are items that I believe will be worth more in future then their current valuation. Sitting on stale assets is wasted profit potential. I keep enough liquid isk to trade with and that's it. Taking time to understand products in the eve universe is key as then one can have confidence in one's investment. Successful big traders work the same way as successful small traders just with more expensive items.
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 551	Posted - 2015.05.08 17:22:31 - [14] - Quote Also if you have rl skills and provide something relevant to eve then you can make some good isk EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 5083	Posted - 2015.05.09 00:03:55 - [15] - Quote HeXxploiT wrote: Know your products know your markets. Many in eve such as winners of the T2 BPO lotteries just ended up with that money in their lap but still don't have a clue how to make isk. The real trick is to take the capital you have and turn it into more capital. 70% of my assets are items that I believe will be worth more in future then their current valuation. Sitting on stale assets is wasted profit potential. I keep enough liquid isk to trade with and that's it. Taking time to understand products in the eve universe is key as then one can have confidence in one's investment. Successful big traders work the same way as successful small traders just with more expensive items. Liquid ISK can be a productive asset if you have it on the day a balance change is announced. Fly/JC to Jita, buy 10b worth of something that you have good reason to believe will go up, and you can make enough to merit having had that 10b sitting idle for a while. Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out. I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
Maverick Tiberius Kirk Echelon Research SpaceMonkey's Alliance 6	Posted - 2015.05.09 00:04:54 - [16] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: HeXxploiT wrote: Know your products know your markets. Many in eve such as winners of the T2 BPO lotteries just ended up with that money in their lap but still don't have a clue how to make isk. The real trick is to take the capital you have and turn it into more capital. 70% of my assets are items that I believe will be worth more in future then their current valuation. Sitting on stale assets is wasted profit potential. I keep enough liquid isk to trade with and that's it. Taking time to understand products in the eve universe is key as then one can have confidence in one's investment. Successful big traders work the same way as successful small traders just with more expensive items. Liquid ISK can be a productive asset if you have it on the day a balance change is announced. Fly/JC to Jita, buy 10b worth of something that you have good reason to believe will go up, and you can make enough to merit having had that 10b sitting idle for a while. I do not have 10bil
TheSmokingHertog TALIBAN EXPRESS 311	Posted - 2015.05.09 00:41:37 - [17] - Quote What if ISK would not make / brake the day, but a reliable turnover to accomplish your EVE goals? Sitting on a nice PLEX a month in income, thats enough... isn't it? My net worth in trade would be about 45 bil, I could double it, but it would double the work. Lets just be happy. * To answer your question, how rich are people? Its better to ask how rich are Corporations, Alliances, Coalitions? The big (single) players in hubs / markets have not just their own funds, they manage funds of other people. So, asking traders; what is your NW minus loans? would give a better answer to your question. For me that would be about 40 bil NW "Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X "Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron -= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 5083	Posted - 2015.05.09 02:17:40 - [18] - Quote TheSmokingHertog wrote: What if ISK would not make / brake the day, but a reliable turnover to accomplish your EVE goals? Sitting on a nice PLEX a month in income, thats enough... isn't it? My net worth in trade would be about 45 bil, I could double it, but it would double the work. Lets just be happy. * To answer your question, how rich are people? Its better to ask how rich are Corporations, Alliances, Coalitions? The big (single) players in hubs / markets have not just their own funds, they manage funds of other people. So, asking traders; what is your NW minus loans? would give a better answer to your question. For me that would be about 40 bil NW ISK is only ever a means to an end. The more ISK you have, the more insane the end can be. Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out. I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
HeXxploiT Big Diggers Get Off My Lawn 141	Posted - 2015.05.09 03:11:07 - [19] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: HeXxploiT wrote: Know your products know your markets. Many in eve such as winners of the T2 BPO lotteries just ended up with that money in their lap but still don't have a clue how to make isk. The real trick is to take the capital you have and turn it into more capital. 70% of my assets are items that I believe will be worth more in future then their current valuation. Sitting on stale assets is wasted profit potential. I keep enough liquid isk to trade with and that's it. Taking time to understand products in the eve universe is key as then one can have confidence in one's investment. Successful big traders work the same way as successful small traders just with more expensive items. Liquid ISK can be a productive asset if you have it on the day a balance change is announced. Fly/JC to Jita, buy 10b worth of something that you have good reason to believe will go up, and you can make enough to merit having had that 10b sitting idle for a while. Which is exactly what I was talking about when I said keeping enough cash to trade. It's no different then when a company like apple uses its PR department to announce the release of a new iphone. Want to have the isk on hand to buy on news(or rumor).
Cixi Hedion University Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2015.05.09 08:29:28 - [20] - Quote Richest players in EvE play with Trillions of ISK, in comparison, we are poor people
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 5084	Posted - 2015.05.09 10:43:34 - [21] - Quote HeXxploiT wrote: Sabriz Adoudel wrote: HeXxploiT wrote: Know your products know your markets. Many in eve such as winners of the T2 BPO lotteries just ended up with that money in their lap but still don't have a clue how to make isk. The real trick is to take the capital you have and turn it into more capital. 70% of my assets are items that I believe will be worth more in future then their current valuation. Sitting on stale assets is wasted profit potential. I keep enough liquid isk to trade with and that's it. Taking time to understand products in the eve universe is key as then one can have confidence in one's investment. Successful big traders work the same way as successful small traders just with more expensive items. Liquid ISK can be a productive asset if you have it on the day a balance change is announced. Fly/JC to Jita, buy 10b worth of something that you have good reason to believe will go up, and you can make enough to merit having had that 10b sitting idle for a while. Which is exactly what I was talking about when I said keeping enough cash to trade. It's no different then when a company like apple uses its PR department to announce the release of a new iphone. Want to have the isk on hand to buy on news(or rumor). I regard trading capital, production capital and speculation capital as different amounts. Presently I hold about 30b of each and about 10b of idle capital (fitted combat ships, etc) Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out. I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
Hemmo Paskiainen 477	Posted - 2015.05.09 12:06:51 - [22] - Quote Buy low sell high or invest low and cash high. Always have your expenses covered by your plex outcome: You dont want to bleed out your investment pool. Copy people: How are they making isk, how much vs which effort? Learn to think on your own: what why how Think like a hedgefund: how fast are you getting your profit % back vs the investment that is locked up? Is it worth the % vs time? Last but most important; park your spacerich assets on a secure, privet, anonymous account Near friends call me jewish spacerich, i just call myselve extremely burned out and bored: Besides Isk milking, tear collecting drives EVE> do you know what you are going to do when there is no challenge in doing both anymore? "Relativity equals time plus momentum: if it can be erased by a single click on a button, would it be worth spending your time?"
Big Lynx 1302	Posted - 2015.05.10 08:56:26 - [23] - Quote Another HowTo Trillionaire: Get a lot of T2BPOs dirt cheap in early eve days, wait for insanely inflated sell rates, sell em for a super sick price, trillionaire check. Pretend to be a professional trader.
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 5086	Posted - 2015.05.10 09:29:22 - [24] - Quote Hemmo Paskiainen wrote: Buy low sell high or invest low and cash high. Always have your expenses covered by your plex outcome: You dont want to bleed out your investment pool. Copy people: How are they making isk, how much vs which effort? Learn to think on your own: what why how Think like a hedgefund: how fast are you getting your profit % back vs the investment that is locked up? Is it worth the % vs time? Last but most important; park your spacerich assets on a secure, privet, anonymous account Near friends call me jewish spacerich, i just call myselve extremely burned out and bored: Besides Isk milking, tear collecting drives EVE> do you know what you are going to do when there is no challenge in doing both anymore? Either set bigger goals that require the use of that ISK, or give it to someone (me) that will. Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out. I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
Xtreem Echelon Research SpaceMonkey's Alliance 282	Posted - 2015.05.10 19:15:25 - [25] - Quote Big Lynx wrote: Another HowTo Trillionaire: Get a lot of T2BPOs dirt cheap in early eve days, wait for insanely inflated sell rates, sell em for a super sick price, trillionaire check. Pretend to be a professional trader. I am in game chums with 3 people who have over 1T 2 of them indeed got rich this way. I remember when i was a younger char a T2 cap recharger BPO reached 30bil in price on the forums and being in awe of such isk.. seems almost nothing now. Needs more sinks.
Zahara Cody Imperial Corrections Service. 174	Posted - 2015.05.10 21:27:21 - [26] - Quote For the birds.
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 5086	Posted - 2015.05.10 23:59:00 - [27] - Quote Xtreem wrote: Big Lynx wrote: Another HowTo Trillionaire: Get a lot of T2BPOs dirt cheap in early eve days, wait for insanely inflated sell rates, sell em for a super sick price, trillionaire check. Pretend to be a professional trader. I am in game chums with 3 people who have over 1T 2 of them indeed got rich this way. I remember when i was a younger char a T2 cap recharger BPO reached 30bil in price on the forums and being in awe of such isk.. seems almost nothing now. Needs more sinks. We did just have a very, very, very large sink added in Crius last year. It's not ISK that's in excess in the economy, it's products. Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out. I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
Kisle AGM Incorporated Fidelas Constans 0	Posted - 2015.05.11 11:26:02 - [28] - Quote PLEX also used to be insanely expensive at 300M :D
Erika Mizune The Soul Society DeepSpace. 1415	Posted - 2015.06.10 11:39:54 - [29] - Quote Kisle wrote: PLEX also used to be insanely expensive at 300M :D Oh how I wish it was that much again ... That's around the price it was when I joined. I'm hoping plex will go down more by the time I need one (ie: 6 days). But on topic: I am horrible at keeping liquid isk since whenever I get enough, I tend to buy stuff ... yea, especially those damn bpo's, and the like. I am also a big sucker for collector/vanity items. So most of my isk is in assets; I follow the market, have toons stationed in various sections, scan - buy low, sell higher. Outside of that, I also have a couple mining alts that I use to pound out minerals to manufacture and also run inventions, ect. Or course, there is passive income: PI and Moon Mining :) It's just putting all your skills to use and work hard at it. Not easy, but def worth the effort. DJ Yumene of Eve Radio \| My Blog \| Sounds of New Eden \| Eve Radio My Insane Quest: Obtain Every BPO Ingame (921 / 1257)
Surreal Angeline Hobbs End Industries 0	Posted - 2015.06.10 12:56:16 - [30] - Quote the "trick" to get rich via the market and production is in the end just solid planning and a basic understanding of market mechanics Whilst i have been making some money in the early days of my corp by just producing stuff that "is used a lot", nothing can really replace solid spreadsheets and calculations if you are still on the way to make money for more speculative long-term trading through production and market pvp There was a time where i almost invested more time in building spreadsheets and updating them, refining their structure and connecting them with each other than playing EVE inside the client - whilst free tools such as fuzzworks are a great resource, they can't really replace sheets that you create with your own needs in mind to be honest - one issue that i've always had is not really knowing how much money i had at a given time, just due to the fact that some materials were always in production, in contracts or otherwise unavailable - i always expected to make a lot of ISK, which i didn't really do...i never got "rich" or had a lot of ISK to spend on stuff, because if you are doing things "right" (from my point of view), your buisness gets bigger, but you never really get more than a few billion in cash before reinvesting - was quite frustrating at times until i got really used to not caring how much money i had exactly and just relied on my calculations to be correct
Alex Grison Grison Industrial Group 922	Posted - 2015.06.10 17:29:04 - [31] - Quote Years of hard work. And a bit of PFM (Pure ******* Magic) yes
joyous the Slippery Penguin The Crystal Palace 85	Posted - 2015.06.10 20:28:04 - [32] - Quote make all the things more expensive
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 490	Posted - 2015.06.11 06:51:50 - [33] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Xtreem wrote: Big Lynx wrote: Another HowTo Trillionaire: Get a lot of T2BPOs dirt cheap in early eve days, wait for insanely inflated sell rates, sell em for a super sick price, trillionaire check. Pretend to be a professional trader. I am in game chums with 3 people who have over 1T 2 of them indeed got rich this way. I remember when i was a younger char a T2 cap recharger BPO reached 30bil in price on the forums and being in awe of such isk.. seems almost nothing now. Needs more sinks. We did just have a very, very, very large sink added in Crius last year. It's not ISK that's in excess in the economy, it's products. Eh? Products & resources get destroyed, so there's more ISK chasing the same assets and inflate everything without due sinks. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
Bad Bobby Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust 853	Posted - 2015.06.11 07:05:31 - [34] - Quote GankYou wrote: Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Xtreem wrote: Big Lynx wrote: Another HowTo Trillionaire: Get a lot of T2BPOs dirt cheap in early eve days, wait for insanely inflated sell rates, sell em for a super sick price, trillionaire check. Pretend to be a professional trader. I am in game chums with 3 people who have over 1T 2 of them indeed got rich this way. I remember when i was a younger char a T2 cap recharger BPO reached 30bil in price on the forums and being in awe of such isk.. seems almost nothing now. Needs more sinks. We did just have a very, very, very large sink added in Crius last year. It's not ISK that's in excess in the economy, it's products. Eh? Products & resources get destroyed, so there's more ISK chasing the same assets and inflate everything without due sinks. More products get created than destroyed. It is essentialy the same faucets/sinks dynamic as the game wide isk pool. With reprocessing devalued such that turning a useless product back in to raw materials isn't so much of a thing anymore, you're left with mounting piles of products chasing a limited amount of demand. The Crius ranks change was a massive change and it has increased the productivity of most low end industrialists so that they can now overproduce by an even larger margin than previously. The Crius industry isk sink was a massive change and while the gamewide isk pool may still be large and growing, it's the balance between that and the gamewide product pool that really matters.
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 490	Posted - 2015.06.11 07:25:38 - [35] - Quote Bad Bobby wrote: More products get created than destroyed. It is essentialy the same faucets/sinks dynamic as the game wide isk pool. Destruction, mining, refining, procurement, trading has zero effect on the net total ISK in the system - apart from the broker, sales tax along with station fees, of course. Quote: The Crius ranks change was a massive change and it has increased the productivity of most low end industrialists so that they can now overproduce by an even larger margin than previously. The Crius industry isk sink was a massive change and while the gamewide isk pool may still be large and growing, it's the balance between that and the gamewide product pool that really matters. The issue brought up was ISK accumulation, not its relationship to products, destruction of which, is not an ISK sink. Crius, however, did bring a very vital feature - an additional ISK sink in the form of the System Index, which now probably accounts for more ISK drained than all the broker & sales taxes paid, combined. Without a capital gains tax or an income tax, that is a decent substitute, but then again - most of these people don't produce. I'd like to thank all the mindless, hot money for my current disposition - a big thank you goes out to the former & current (semi-)ISBotters. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
Bad Bobby Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust 853	Posted - 2015.06.11 08:13:43 - [36] - Quote GankYou wrote: Bad Bobby wrote: More products get created than destroyed. It is essentialy the same faucets/sinks dynamic as the game wide isk pool. Destruction, mining, refining, procurement, trading has zero effect on the net total ISK in the system - apart from the broker, sales tax along with station fees, of course. GankYou wrote: Bad Bobby wrote: The Crius ranks change was a massive change and it has increased the productivity of most low end industrialists so that they can now overproduce by an even larger margin than previously. The Crius industry isk sink was a massive change and while the gamewide isk pool may still be large and growing, it's the balance between that and the gamewide product pool that really matters. The issue brought up was ISK accumulation, not its relationship to products, destruction of which, is not an ISK sink. I see, so it's ok for you to relate the two in your posts, but not for anyone else?
GankYou Redshield Holding Company 490	Posted - 2015.06.11 09:42:25 - [37] - Quote The point was about Incursion/anom farming and overall ISK printing - these people are unaffected by Crius. They'll keep on printing more than you drain via the Indices. They don't do production or research. ...And They All Crave One Thing - ISK. Gÿ+ Nullsec Ore Changes - Lowend Mineral Price Tracking [2015]
Elizabeth Norn Nornir Research Create Alliance 597	Posted - 2015.06.11 10:15:53 - [38] - Quote Assuming they're not also spending their ISK in the LP Store. .
Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance 567	Posted - 2015.06.11 11:02:45 - [39] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Some RL advice to the player behind the screen - read up on the psychology of gambling if you honestly believe 'I deserve to win soon, it's been ages'. You need to take some maths classes IRL to get those misconceptions about probability out of your head - they will cost you a lot of money. Well yes. Probability even assuming it was some universal law that demands some player somewhere be winning and some player somewhere be losing certainly doesn't impact on single people. In other words, you could be amongst that small % of people who never win anything ever, were born with 1 leg deformed and are ugly as **** to boot. The green eyed lady is capricious indeed. Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
Tiddle Jr Galvanized Inc. 230	Posted - 2015.06.11 23:14:00 - [40] - Quote Go rob an Eve Iron Bank.
Baldrick UK Ironforge Commerce Guild 0	Posted - 2015.06.13 02:24:26 - [41] - Quote read around the blogs - there are plenty that are dedicated to making ISK from trading to manufacturing et al. Personally, i do manufacturing these days though i started off as a trader. Current wealth 198bn - so not that rich, but i can always make 2 bn a month if i only log on at Friday and Saturday for an hour or 10bn if i log on more often. if you read my blog from the very first post i talk about my experiences and what i did to make my wealth: http://marketsforisk.blogspot.co.uk/ the blog also has a list of other business related blogs as well as some useful videos on making ISK.
Dextrome Thorphan Intrepid Crossing 127	Posted - 2015.06.13 07:45:47 - [42] - Quote Maverick Tiberius Kirk wrote: I have 2.3 Billion i thought i was rich. I see some of you guys with hundreds of billions... Please tell me how do I make that much money You played for 3 months and you thought you were rich? How horrible would that be for all the players that have been playing for years, some over a decade...
Gary Bell Herp Inc.dot Darwinism. 143	Posted - 2015.06.13 11:56:03 - [43] - Quote I hoenstly find unless your really good at playing the market the easiest way to make isk is char selling. It requires a longer term investment but if you make the right type of chars they can go for a Bil isk per mil sp which is a pretty good return for the cost of skillbooks. Especially with the changes to the skillque where they take near no input and if you have the Money to spend a few RL dollars on the beginner packs. You can get the skill boosters and then buddy invite yourself and you get the game time back on your main. **** exhumer toons and basic starter PVp toons and things can be worth like 3 bil in a 60 day timespan so you essentially double your money
Jelly Fat Greedy Bastards 18	Posted - 2015.06.14 19:47:55 - [44] - Quote All the richiest players uses Magic Crystal Balls. I am a professional Fedo Breeder. Buying high pedigree Fedos since 2013
Sabriz Adoudel Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec 5145	Posted - 2015.06.25 06:03:52 - [45] - Quote Gary Bell wrote: I hoenstly find unless your really good at playing the market the easiest way to make isk is char selling. It requires a longer term investment but if you make the right type of chars they can go for a Bil isk per mil sp which is a pretty good return for the cost of skillbooks. Especially with the changes to the skillque where they take near no input and if you have the Money to spend a few RL dollars on the beginner packs. You can get the skill boosters and then buddy invite yourself and you get the game time back on your main. **** exhumer toons and basic starter PVp toons and things can be worth like 3 bil in a 60 day timespan so you essentially double your money High risk in that - I can name someone that made over a trillion on training characters for resale, but that lost more than I've ever owned when game mechanic changes obliterated the value of around 100 characters he had in training. Think they lost 0.4T out of the washup of the Phoebe changes. They wound up ahead overall, but the ~0.7T they made over their entire time training and trading characters was not a great return for the amount of ISK they had tied up in it. Shoot everyone. Let the Saviour sort it out. I enforce the New Haliama Code of Conduct via wardec ops. Ignorance of the law is no excuse - read about requirements for highsec miners at www.minerbumping.com
Alt Pilot1 Hysera Innovations 0	Posted - 2015.07.05 03:03:16 - [46] - Quote Maverick Tiberius Kirk wrote: I have 2.3 Billion i thought i was rich. I see some of you guys with hundreds of billions... Please tell me how do I make that much money I just passed the trillion mark, but only on paper (asset value). Too bad I don't really care anymore lol. The stuff would take months to liquidate, so it may or may not be a trillion. But I'm probably just gonna keep investing to see how high it can get. I've also been playing for a long time (almost 6 years) However, I started out with almost 100 Billion of initial capital - I used real money to buy GTC's from Markee Dragon. Didn't see any other way to get the initial capital quickly. I don't think I'm the only "space billionaire" who used real money. If you think about it, there is a lot of hardcore players in this game, as you can see from all the meta-gaming, and people flying across the world to attend the fanfest.
Bad Bobby Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust 930	Posted - 2015.07.05 04:00:33 - [47] - Quote Alt Pilot1 wrote: I don't think I'm the only "space billionaire" who used real money to start. It's not that different from paying lots of subs on credit card and using the combined power of all those accounts to get rich, which is pretty much how I progressed from poor newbie to "rich" newbie back in 2005-2006.
Alt Pilot1 Hysera Innovations 0	Posted - 2015.07.05 04:44:18 - [48] - Quote Bad Bobby wrote: Alt Pilot1 wrote: I don't think I'm the only "space billionaire" who used real money to start. It's not that different from paying lots of subs on credit card and using the combined power of all those accounts to get rich, which is pretty much how I progressed from poor newbie to "rich" newbie back in 2005-2006. Yep, the same could be said about training characters to sell for profit. Not sure what I'm gonna do with my ISK when I leave the game for good. Maybe I'll donate all of it in one of those "PLEX for good" drives.
Angelica Everstar 237	Posted - 2015.07.05 08:54:21 - [49] - Quote Alt Pilot1 wrote: Yep, the same could be said about training characters to sell for profit. Not sure what I'm gonna do with my ISK when I leave the game for good. Maybe I'll donate all of it in one of those "PLEX for good" drives. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5703778 Just a suggestion to what you can do with ISK, that you don't want anymore, and want to be given to PLEX for Good. § Help support PLEX4GOOD and become a better trader ¦Æ Bonds: Last AE07 1 Trillion // Total : 2+ Trillon ISK ¢ Any bad spelling or grammar, is free of charge @EveEntrepreneur

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