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Angelic Tallbrooke
Redemption Road Affirmative.
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Posted - 2015.05.10 09:04:19 -
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Silvox Lunae wrote:Angelic Tallbrooke wrote:
They have been nothing but violent towards us capsuleers, and if they charge blindly into New Eden, they will be in for a couple of well-placed returned favors.
Once again, I remind you to consider the facts of the Drifter appearance rather than operating on the assumptions of your fellow capsuleers. I cite my previous post: 1. Drifter technological superiority is undeniable. Examples of such include the fitting of doomsday weapons on their battleships, the artificial generation of wormholes, sophisticated armor and electronic systems that resist scanning attempts and all known damage profiles, and layered shielding and electronic warfare packaging. 2. Given all of the above facts, if the Drifter's original intention was military conquest against the Empires, they would already have done so with overwhelming force. With their uninhibited access to Anoikis and superior weaponry alone, they could have struck the logistical centers and strategic locations of all Empire space simultaneously. 3. Given statements 1 and 2, the fact that they have yet to destroy Empire assets and only destroy capsuleer assets when aggressed points to an objective tangential to interpretations of war. Moreover, while they have shown military posturing maneuvers, it has only been against the Amarr empire. Even in these shows of implied force, they have not destroyed Amarr assets unprovoked. 4. Many cite that the Drifter's lack of response to our communication attempts is somehow associated with clear acts of aggression. I would instead consider a difference in cultural paradigms. It is clear that the Drifters are technologically advanced, far beyond any level capsuleers and the 4 primary Empires have managed to achieve. This level of advancement implies a radically altered developmental circumstance. It is highly likely that such a divergent path would result in different communication methods and interpretations of communication. There has been no recorded instance of unwarranted Drifter aggression against capsuleer assets except when we approach their observatories or provoke them first.
That... is quite an astute observation, Mr. Silvox. Perhaps it would be more prudent to try and communicate with them somehow. Especially after the quite sobering count of the ships seen in the broadcast, I can only imagine the sheer scale of their true force. I think I may need to rethink my stance on the current situation.
And in the meantime, I might want to stock up on those hulls which I can actually fly -- just in case something in the near future causes the general public to panic and leaves trade hubs barren. |

Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
855
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Posted - 2015.05.12 06:21:10 -
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Lord Kailethre wrote:Frenjo Borkstar wrote:As a result of this, I am accelerating my work on developing a new defensive technology to use against them.
I've been saying all along that diplomacy failed, and now they presumably murder a prominent scientist of ours? Where are the DED? They do NOTHING. And that footage doesn't need investigating, we can clearly see HUNDREDS of Drifter battleships waiting for an unknown purpose.
Now is the time to act. There is barely information to act upon. All we know is that the Drifters are amassing a fleet, presumably for invasion, but we know not their goals, their tactics or their targets. Any action we take could possibly weaken our greater position.
*drums at the top of his desk* It's always wise to prepare for the worse and hope for the best. Then adjust as needed. |

Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
453
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Posted - 2015.05.12 06:25:04 -
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Angelic Tallbrooke wrote:Silvox Lunae wrote:Angelic Tallbrooke wrote:
They have been nothing but violent towards us capsuleers, and if they charge blindly into New Eden, they will be in for a couple of well-placed returned favors.
Once again, I remind you to consider the facts of the Drifter appearance rather than operating on the assumptions of your fellow capsuleers. I cite my previous post: 1. Drifter technological superiority is undeniable. Examples of such include the fitting of doomsday weapons on their battleships, the artificial generation of wormholes, sophisticated armor and electronic systems that resist scanning attempts and all known damage profiles, and layered shielding and electronic warfare packaging. 2. Given all of the above facts, if the Drifter's original intention was military conquest against the Empires, they would already have done so with overwhelming force. With their uninhibited access to Anoikis and superior weaponry alone, they could have struck the logistical centers and strategic locations of all Empire space simultaneously. 3. Given statements 1 and 2, the fact that they have yet to destroy Empire assets and only destroy capsuleer assets when aggressed points to an objective tangential to interpretations of war. Moreover, while they have shown military posturing maneuvers, it has only been against the Amarr empire. Even in these shows of implied force, they have not destroyed Amarr assets unprovoked. 4. Many cite that the Drifter's lack of response to our communication attempts is somehow associated with clear acts of aggression. I would instead consider a difference in cultural paradigms. It is clear that the Drifters are technologically advanced, far beyond any level capsuleers and the 4 primary Empires have managed to achieve. This level of advancement implies a radically altered developmental circumstance. It is highly likely that such a divergent path would result in different communication methods and interpretations of communication. There has been no recorded instance of unwarranted Drifter aggression against capsuleer assets except when we approach their observatories or provoke them first. That... is quite an astute observation, Mr. Silvox. Perhaps it would be more prudent to try and communicate with them somehow. Especially after the quite sobering count of the ships seen in the broadcast, I can only imagine the sheer scale of their true force. I think I may need to rethink my stance on the current situation. And in the meantime, I might want to stock up on those hulls which I can actually fly -- just in case something in the near future causes the general public to panic and leaves trade hubs barren.
I don't think they want to communicate at all. Their standing policy seems to be: I do my thing and you go about your business. I ignore you and you ignore me. And if you come and start screwing with us we will shove a doomsday up your arse.
Besides, do you really want to talk to the people you know has the hobby of kicking down sandcastles and pissing on the remains whenever he is bored?
Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~ EVERGREEN ~ Evergreen ~ Evergreen ~Evergreen ~ Family
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Max Singularity
House Singularity
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Posted - 2015.05.12 08:45:47 -
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https://twitter.com/MaxSingularity/status/598045462042529792
Time is up... press charges or set The Scope Three Free
Be accountable. Be transparent. Be responsible.
Harbinger of Faith his Holiness Maximilian Singularity of the Sixth Empire, Pope of New Eden
-First of his name-
((My doctors try to tell me Eve is not real... pffft... I've seen the YouTube Video. Eve is Real))
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1147
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Posted - 2015.05.12 09:03:26 -
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That would depend entirely upon which laws they have broken (if indeed they have). Considering the nature of the potential threat this may well be a military matter and as such an entirely different set of laws will apply. Either way I agree that some further clarification would help the situation.
Meanwhile stock up on anti-matter. Just in case. |

Dradis Aulmais
RW Vindicator Connection Phoebe Freeport Republic
796
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Posted - 2015.05.12 14:16:46 -
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My clients are not members of the military, and are Federation Citizens. Military law does not apply here. The Supreme Court has held time and time again that the military (especially the Black Eagles) can not try civilians in a military court under military law, unless the are under direct military contract or draft. Such Drafts and contract can not be implemented after the date of arrest.
And the DED is required under their charter to return all arrested non-capsilers to the Empire of Citizenship with in 48 hours. The last report i seen about my clients shows me that the DED still has them under detainment not the Federation Police Force.
FREE THE SCOPE 3
Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896
Free The Scope Three
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Sahriah BloodStone
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
89
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Posted - 2015.05.12 17:14:16 -
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Silvox Lunae wrote:Angelic Tallbrooke wrote:
They have been nothing but violent towards us capsuleers, and if they charge blindly into New Eden, they will be in for a couple of well-placed returned favors.
Once again, I remind you to consider the facts of the Drifter appearance rather than operating on the assumptions of your fellow capsuleers. I cite my previous post: 1. Drifter technological superiority is undeniable. Examples of such include the fitting of doomsday weapons on their battleships, the artificial generation of wormholes, sophisticated armor and electronic systems that resist scanning attempts and all known damage profiles, and layered shielding and electronic warfare packaging. 2. Given all of the above facts, if the Drifter's original intention was military conquest against the Empires, they would already have done so with overwhelming force. With their uninhibited access to Anoikis and superior weaponry alone, they could have struck the logistical centers and strategic locations of all Empire space simultaneously. 3. Given statements 1 and 2, the fact that they have yet to destroy Empire assets and only destroy capsuleer assets when aggressed points to an objective tangential to interpretations of war. Moreover, while they have shown military posturing maneuvers, it has only been against the Amarr empire. Even in these shows of implied force, they have not destroyed Amarr assets unprovoked. 4. Many cite that the Drifter's lack of response to our communication attempts is somehow associated with clear acts of aggression. I would instead consider a difference in cultural paradigms. It is clear that the Drifters are technologically advanced, far beyond any level capsuleers and the 4 primary Empires have managed to achieve. This level of advancement implies a radically altered developmental circumstance. It is highly likely that such a divergent path would result in different communication methods and interpretations of communication. There has been no recorded instance of unwarranted Drifter aggression against capsuleer assets except when we approach their observatories or provoke them first.
I agree that we should be considering facts.
1. The Drifters are far superior to us indeed. They posses better technology all around. This makes them automatically a potential threat to be considered. As Mr. Liberta stated - It's always wise to prepare for the worse and hope for the best. Then adjust as needed.
2. Simply because the Drifters did not attack us outright does not decrease their potential threat level, it actually increases it. They are knowledgeable enough to know that you must understand your enemy to beat them. So let us take a look at what they HAVE been doing. They have not only been scanning us, just they have been investigating the Jove observatories which we now learn have been observing us for god knows how long. They probably understand more about us then most of us do.
3. The Drifters presence has been fairly equal throughout space. The did show up in Amarr before any other home system and there may be a slighter higher concentration in Amarr space, but remember the Amarrians also have the largest empire of the four, so this may be simply a correlation to the fact there is a higher population concentration there.
4. They have analyzed us for months and analyzed the Jove observatories. If they did not understand our communication methods/language then i am certain they do now. Why else would they show up at Yulai at the exact moment of the DED autopsy results instead of before or after? That is simply to coincidental for me to reconcile.
Of course there are other possibilities, there is always the chance of that. I am not saying preform a preemptive strike, but it is our responsibility to ensure we are prepared for the worst outcomes. Ignoring possible threats will only end badly for us.
"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
6989
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Posted - 2015.05.12 17:44:03 -
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Relevant to continued discussion.
I'm still surprised that CONCORD is continuing to operate under the auspices of corporate espionage law, when in fact they might have more latitude if they were to operate under security laws. It wouldn't take much to establish a clear and present danger from a large Vigilant Tyrannos fleet...
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
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Dradis Aulmais
RW Vindicator Connection Phoebe Freeport Republic
796
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Posted - 2015.05.12 17:49:52 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Relevant to continued discussion.I'm still surprised that CONCORD is continuing to operate under the auspices of corporate espionage law, when in fact they might have more latitude if they were to operate under security laws. It wouldn't take much to establish a clear and present danger from a large Vigilant Tyrannos fleet...
In order to do that they would have to show that the video was a classified by military, law enforcement, legislative body, or court.
Dradis Aulmais, Federal Attorney Number 54896
Free The Scope Three
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Soldarius
Naliao Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore
1278
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Posted - 2015.05.19 17:16:53 -
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Dradis Aulmais wrote: 2. Material that shows or disseminates capabilities of a corporation or government force.
The video clearly shows ship counts of a recognized corporate force. Vigilant Tyrannos is a DED registered corporation under the Drifter Faction. As such, I believe DED has the right to detain those poeple. At this time the 2 Scope employees have been released. As fo rthe third, unidentified Eifyr employee, good luck getting this person released.
More concerning is the alleged date of the broadcast. If it is months old, where are those drifters now?
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Nakami Saans
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
137
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Posted - 2015.05.19 18:21:27 -
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Soldarius wrote:Dradis Aulmais wrote: 2. Material that shows or disseminates capabilities of a corporation or government force.
The video clearly shows ship counts of a recognized corporate force. Vigilant Tyrannos is a DED registered corporation under the Drifter Faction. As such, I believe DED has the right to detain those poeple. At this time the 2 Scope employees have been released. As fo rthe third, unidentified Eifyr employee, good luck getting this person released. More concerning is the alleged date of the broadcast. If it is months old, where are those drifters now?
Scattered throughout the galaxy, harvesting our corpses.
"No one can stop death." That's when the Capsuleers pointed and laughed.
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H1de0
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
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Posted - 2015.05.20 08:49:05 -
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Kerena Alabel wrote:This is preparation for an invasion we must unite and crush them all. Destroy the drifters.
Bah.. boke, stupid, as usual. Why does our kind always have to react in such a manner?
Know your enemy and know yourself and you can fight a hundred battles without disaster.. for the time being their knowledge about us seams to be a lot more established then the other way around hence it is they who have the the upper ground.
And yet, with such an advantage, as Lunae-san pointed, they do not seam eager to use it. May I suggest Alabel-san that we focus on solving that riddle before we take any further hasty and ill-conceived actions.
Decrypting the Sleeper cache..
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H1de0
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
1
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Posted - 2015.05.20 08:56:35 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Captain Davison wrote: NOT HELPING. Now is not the time for our petty squabbles, when we're facing down the barrel of the biggest doomsday ever built. Yes, Kim. We know you have a hate-on for the Gallente. Please stop shouting it for a few days and focus on the enemy that wants to kill ALL OF US. Maxi-whatever your name is, stop provoking other people. Third person.... less of that.
You see, the problem is that it is gallenteans and sansha are ones who want to kill us all, and who were actually doing this during last years. While since appearing of the Drifters they were taking defensive stance. The only offensive actions Drifters have taken are against these self-proclaimed "scientists", who were poking them with sticks.
I would advise that You put Your hatred aside and widen Your scope a little Kim-san otherwise soon You might stumble upon a conclusion that the Drifters are in fact another plot of the Gallente Federation.
Decrypting the Sleeper cache..
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Feu dAstres
Nox Draconum Holding Corp Nox Draconum
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Posted - 2015.05.20 10:48:28 -
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"... another plot of the Gallente Federation. "
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Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
782
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Posted - 2015.07.27 18:20:17 -
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transmission wrote:GÇ£This is Hilen Tu- -- aboard scout vessel ArekGÇÖjalaan -- emergency broadc- -- uncharted -- hundreds of these -- signal -- as long as we can-- notify the -- notify the DED -- we may be facing a possible major -- more and more --arriving -- enormous [structure] -- detected -- [sounds of alarms]GÇ¥ I have discussed this with Priano and Victorian to some extend, but considering we could not reach a consensus, I would like to make use of the ears of others on the IGS.
I believe the transcript as above is partly incorrect; namely the "arriving" part between "more and more" and "enormous". [Link to the relevant part of the transmission] I think that it sounds like he's saying "...have been alive and captive". And I don't think he was necessarily referring to himself or his crew.
Anyway, this is my observation, please do some peer review.
Coordination Channel for Consolidated Space Rescue Cooperation
Open Letter to the Aidonis Foundation Directorate
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
626
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Posted - 2015.07.27 20:16:25 -
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I believe he's saying 'have been arriving at this enormous'. |

Sinjin Mokk
Royal Khanid Colonial Exploration
352
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Posted - 2015.07.27 20:24:33 -
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I get:
"More and more ships have been arriving at this enormous structure."
Given the attached video segment, this seems the most likely.
Dark Amarr: Rumors!
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Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
785
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Posted - 2015.07.29 14:14:48 -
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"Ships" While I find it a lot easier to hear that word than "arriving at this", I think it's equally likely, or if done on purpose, more likely, to be just a burst of static. And if the burst of static in that point of the transmission was placed there on purpose, it makes little sense to cover up something that is clearly visible in the visual part of the transmission(or clearly enough, anyway).
Coordination Channel for Consolidated Space Rescue Cooperation
Open Letter to the Aidonis Foundation Directorate
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Borascus
646
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Posted - 2015.07.30 08:18:38 -
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It's an interesting concept worthy of investigation Che Biko.
It did seem to me that the message was subject to periods of compression, with some sentences seeming to be in a quick burst prior to Dr. Tukoss' repetition, I don't have access to the tools I'd need to take a sample and filter each part to remove the parts I'm happy with. It should be possible if anyone has access to a communication filtration program. |
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