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Tyto Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.08 20:59:00 - [1] Trinity Nova Mercenary Services would like to announce they are now engaged in a contract against the forces of Namtz'aar K'in. Trinity Nova will not answer any questions that may breach contract confidentiality or operational security. Regards, Tyto CEO Trinity Nova Click here to visit our site
Ryas Nia Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2006.11.08 23:15:00 - [2] I hope you die well. I have no love, no respect, for a traitor to your own people. I hope the payment is well worth the shame of forever being outcasts from the republic.
Mi Lai Sanguine Legion Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.08 23:27:00 - [3] Interesting contract, considering your earlier relations / business deals with Minmatar friendly corporations. Good luck in your hunts. Having had a little experience with you guys, I'm sure this will be a clean fight.
April Knox Caldari Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.08 23:33:00 - [4] Originally by: Ryas Nia I hope you die well. I have no love, no respect, for a traitor to your own people. I hope the payment is well worth the shame of forever being outcasts from the republic. We are professional mercenaries, and in no way supposed to deal with loyalties of any kind. ThatÆs why we sign contracts. And heyà IÆm Caldari to the bone you know?
Biggus Tankus Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.08 23:59:00 - [5] I'm interested in how we're being branded traitors when in effect we're shooting a target that isn't aligned to the Republic. NMTZ have never said they support the Republic and many of its members are decidely anti-Republic yet pro-tribe. I'm in the view that the Republic is the tribes and therefore NMTZ doesn't represent anyone other than itself. As a long time Republican I don't see this as a traitorous act, in fact I'm being driven by my patriotic feelings more than anything else.
Tyto Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.09 00:19:00 - [6] Originally by: Ryas Nia I hope you die well. I have no love, no respect, for a traitor to your own people. I hope the payment is well worth the shame of forever being outcasts from the republic. Ryas, 3 years ago when I too was fresh into a pod, I would have admired your zeal. Let me simply point out that Trinity Nova is an equal opportunities employer and enjoys a diversity of race within our ranks. Trinity Nova is a professional mercenary corporation with no political affiliations or ambitions. With that in mind your response, to a legal Concord sanctioned action from a commercial mercenary corp, is unwarranted. Regards, Tyto Click here to visit our site
Reatu Krentor Minmatar Void Spiders Fate Weavers	Posted - 2006.11.09 01:05:00 - [7] Fight with honour, that goes for both parties. Crystal-Slave, that way? Potential solution to the current Recon cloak and cyno bug
Camar Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2006.11.09 02:30:00 - [8] I cannot say I like this "decision" either Mr. Tyto, but perhaps not as harsh as Ryas. After all I see nothing that is a direct attack, nor contract, towards the republic, but an alliance made up by the elite from society. Regretfully, with your past in mind, it seems to me that Namtz'aar K'in are still an organisation that is...one of the "loyal" matari organisations. I shall wish both sides great battles with much honor. Giving a stern salute raising a khuumak high before ending the transmission
Nooey Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.11.09 07:30:00 - [9] As always, Omerta Syndicate wishes our mercenary friends well. May this be yet another successful contract, TNT. I have every confidence it will be. ____
Aodha Khan Minmatar The Necroborg The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2006.11.09 09:13:00 - [10] Anyone from NMTZ gets the corpse of Tyto or any other Matari traitors from Trinity Nova, I would be willing to pay well... So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
Ysolde Xen Minmatar Liberal Trading Co Electus Matari	Posted - 2006.11.09 10:37:00 - [11] Originally by: Biggus Tankus (...) in fact I'm being driven by my patriotic feelings more than anything else. Yes because in-fighting and Matari going after Matari over political semantic issues is so very helpful to us. Merc contracts accepted in neutrality are one thing, your statement is something else... ----- It's not a crap ship, you're just flying it all wrong.
Aodha Khan Minmatar The Necroborg The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2006.11.09 10:45:00 - [12] Originally by: Biggus Tankus As a long time Republican I don't see this as a traitorous act, in fact I'm being driven by my patriotic feelings more than anything else. Your shooting at known Republicans within the NMTZ alliance. Let's be straight here, your being driven by the lure of ISK. Nothing patriotic about that, Biggus. So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.09 11:21:00 - [13] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 09/11/2006 11:28:39 Hey, maybe the triggerhappy will hold fire on Gradient and other loyalists inside NMTZ? Yeah, didn't think so either. To be a bit more serious, in all my history in space I have always held that Matari do not shoot Matari, no matter our political differences re: the Republic or the Thukker or whatnot. I do disagree hard, but I do not fire on pilots of the tribes without provocation or allow anyone who serves under me to do so. I have always called such acts treason, and I call them that now. Saying you are just a mercenary, or just a soldier following orders, does not cut it. It is always your decision to pull the trigger; you decide who you follow, and you decide whose money you take. Every war hurts someone, and you decide who you are going to try and hurt. (Edited to add: please note I do not hold a high command position in NMTZ anymore, and read my words accordingly.)
Viqer Fell Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.09 11:38:00 - [14] Let's make a few things clear because there appears to be some misunderstandings here that are clouding people's minds. For a long time several Trinity Nova pilots operated as freedom fighters and as such engaged the Amarrian Empire and its allies and cohorts in combat whenever we could. At no point did this ever suggest that we shared any kinship, loyalty or bonds with the tribes of those pilots that now fly under the banner of NMTZ. The Republic has a long established history of brutal and sometimes long wars between the tribes. This is no different, just another war that will pass in time and be forgotten by all but history academics and military students. So let's try to leave all the knee-jerk hysterics and overly dramatic piffle about how we betrayed this that or the other behind eh? As mercenaries we do not have the luxury of mixing our loyalties. Our loyalties transcend our races, our tribes, our classes, and our nations; and this means we must hold a world perspective. You should not labor under the misapprenhension that accusing us of doing this for Isk is an insult or a slur to us. We are Mercenaries and we sell our abilities for Isk to people with deep enough pockets. Of course we are doing this for the Isk as does every other mercenary corporation. I make no pretense to have any other motivation for this. From our perspective this is a job. Nothing more, nothing less. We do not bear you any emnity and will remain cordial and polite at all times. When the contract ends, so will the Concord sanctioned war. Click here to visit our site
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.09 11:47:00 - [15] What Viqer demonstrates above is probably the one most serious threat we face as a nation: the inability of pilots to see beyond their own family / clan / band of warriors. Yes, it runs deep in us to trust only your closest and to war against the outside, but let us keep in mind these petty wars we fight amongst us are not The War we should be preparing to. We need, all of us, to transform and transcend our loyalty to our closest circles to a higher loyalty to the tribes of the People and to the nation that represents those tribes, if we intend to survive as a free people. And it is that ultimate need to keep the light alive in darkness that you are betraying, Viqer Fell.
Viqer Fell Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.09 12:35:00 - [16] Edited by: Viqer Fell on 09/11/2006 12:35:38 For the money we are being paid I would say it is anything but a petty war. Click here to visit our site
Axen Vormar Minmatar Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.09 12:50:00 - [17] I am looking forward to this. And finally I will meet some famous pilots that I have always considered the most dedicated. Lets fight Tyto, Tecor, Viqer and all other pilots of Trinity Nova.
Camperific Vindication Angels	Posted - 2006.11.09 13:13:00 - [18] Good hunting NMTZ,may your kills be swift.
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.09 13:17:00 - [19] Minmatar mercenaries fighting Minmatar terrorists. Delicious indeed. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.09 13:28:00 - [20] On what grounds exactly you call NMTZ "terrorists", slaver?
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.09 13:42:00 - [21] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 09/11/2006 13:42:36 You did persue an operation in which you purposely targeted Amarrian shipping a few months back. Or did you forget about those hundreds of civilians you killed? I wish my old foes luck in their contract against NMTZ. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Nooey Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.11.09 13:49:00 - [22] Edited by: Nooey on 09/11/2006 13:49:57 We've all killed civilians. Doesn't make us terrorists. Anyways, back to the matter at hand... ____
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.09 13:53:00 - [23] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 09/11/2006 13:54:37 Killing civilians in an attempt to force people to your way of view through the threat of death is the definition of terrorism, Nooey. We arent talking an accidental killing or two, we are talking about NMTZ pilots actively shooting Amarrian convoys in an attempt to bring Amarrians around to their point of view. Edit: But yes, this is an entirly irrelevant discussion to the issue here. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Tyto Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.09 14:09:00 - [24] Originally by: Archbishop Minmatar mercenaries fighting Minmatar terrorists. Delicious indeed. Archbishop Archbishop, excuse me for correcting you, as I stated earlier, Trinity Nova does not consider race when dealing with recruitment or contracts. You may be shocked to discover that some of my colleagues are in fact Amarr! To describe Trinity as a 'minmatar mercenary corporation' is simply untrue. To all parties interested, please do not assume we share any of your racial prejudices. This is business. Tyto Click here to visit our site
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.09 14:09:00 - [25] The incident you refer to was between Gradient and the 1st Praetorian Guard before we joined NMTZ, and in addition was an answer to a direct and public provocation by the 1PG. It is not the incident in my history I am proudest of, but it was a direct response to criminal acts (namely, transporting free people back to slavery) inside Republic territory. That might make us, as in Gradient, over-zealous in defending our own; it does not make us terrorists.
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.09 14:40:00 - [26] Like a chance gust of wind will change a banner, the far quieter hum of funds tramission will turn a mercenary to fight even former friends and business associates. In fact, he must hide his contractor so he won't be persuaded to do that just right away, for even more riches. And at what price will he buy back the former friendship? I will pity them for that, be it Trinity Nova or even the mighty Mercenary Coalition. Now, speaches done, roll on the fight so I can sharpen my prowess in combat on theirs. -- Thukkers do
Stede Bonnet Minmatar Caffeine Commodities Company Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.09 17:04:00 - [27] Edited by: Stede Bonnet on 09/11/2006 17:04:21 So then, what say you about dis? What be da difference between da pirates we have been fightin and yall now? Tis a shame we be flyin side by side now we be flyin 'gainst each other. Dont get ya head confused, ya shoot me once, you be hostile for life, mate. Ya no bedder den da pirates we be shooting, ya kill fer money, just like dey do. I used to think ye be on da side of da light, like us mates. But ye not be, ye be warned, ye are KOS fer life now. Ye pirates. _______________________________________________ Da time be now, Rise up me enslaved brethren. Rise up and fight, Ye darks time is numbered. SEEEEYYYLLLLAAAAAA!
Takanohana Deep Space Explorers	Posted - 2006.11.09 17:17:00 - [28] Fly free pilots of Namtz'aar k'in, I wish you the best of luck in this...conflict.
Stede Bonnet Minmatar Caffeine Commodities Company Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.09 17:22:00 - [29] Originally by: Takanohana Fly free pilots of Namtz'aar k'in, I wish you the best of luck in this...conflict. We be thankin ye for da kind words, and it be just another day fightin da pirates far as i can see. _______________________________________________ Da time be now, Rise up me enslaved brethren. Rise up and fight, Ye darks time is numbered. SEEEEYYYLLLLAAAAAA!
Flaming sambuka Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.09 17:30:00 - [30] Originally by: Aodha Khan Edited by: Aodha Khan on 09/11/2006 09:22:59 Anyone from NMTZ obtains the corpse of Tyto or any other traitors from Trinity Nova, whom are launching a direct attack upon those loyal to the Matari cause purely for the sake of ISK. Send them to me. I am willing to pay well... For what price would one pay for my corpse? , i just had to get my head in this post rofl. You guys are taking it so personal! Lighten up were gonna have a good time! Trinity Nova Mercenary Services
Coramoor Talen	Posted - 2006.11.09 17:37:00 - [31] GL Trinity Nova guys and gals. Kick zealous a*s Sergej.
Kalil d'Maelstromo The Establishment	Posted - 2006.11.09 17:38:00 - [32] ^^ meh alts
Viqer Fell Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:00:00 - [33] Originally by: Stede Bonnet Edited by: Stede Bonnet on 09/11/2006 17:04:21 So then, what say you about dis? What be da difference between da pirates we have been fightin and yall now? Tis a shame we be flyin side by side now we be flyin 'gainst each other. Dont get ya head confused, ya shoot me once, you be hostile for life, mate. Ya no bedder den da pirates we be shooting, ya kill fer money, just like dey do. I used to think ye be on da side of da light, like us mates. But ye not be, ye be warned, ye are KOS fer life now. Ye pirates. Dear Mr Stede, The difference is quite simple. Pirates are pirates. Mercenaries are well erm mercenaries funnily enough. So unless all the da's and ya's and ye's is the way you normally speak please feel free to just talk like everyone else. We don't go Yaargh and we don't wear eye patches. There is a subtle but important distinction between the way pirates and mercenaries fight for money but if you are happy glossing over it then I'll allow you to enjoy your feeling of superiority without disavowing you of your delusions. I speak for myself here of course rather than for TNT as a whole as we have people from many backgrounds but as for being on the same side, this metaphorical light that you speak of, we were neveron the same side.. I fought to help free Matari people the way I saw fit which was by annihilating the Amarrians and their associated hirelings. I never fought for the republic and to be fair pretty much always viewed the Republic as a bunch of cowards and weaklings. They continually failed to act or provide solid leadership and as such 3 and a half years later we still have the same bunch of monkeys leading the same corrupt system supported by the same fools tilting at the same windmills and spouting the same circular arguments. Nothing has moved on. You are still stuck in the same rut that many corporations started in years ago. We are vilified for choosing to accept this contract because we have Matari pilots or because we know you or apparently because you fight for the light and thus fighting you is to support the "dark". Forgive me for not buying into this pseudo-moralistic mumbo-jumbo. Light? Dark? Grow up and smell the Quaffe. There is no light, no dark, only causes and the many shades of grey they come in. You clearly believe your cause is just and right and therefore all that oppose you are wrong. I simply accept that all causes are equally valid to all who follow each cause respectively. After all I've never seen someone fight and risk their life for a cause they only sort of half believed in. Kill On Sight for life? I don't think I'll let that trouble me as I go bank my salary thank you very much. Click here to visit our site
Flaming sambuka Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:23:00 - [34] YARR! I do not endorse the pirate way of life and my posts and actions do not represent my corp, unless i pwn you then im representing. Trinity Nova Mercenary Services
Vicarrah Minmatar Three Kind Buds	Posted - 2006.11.09 19:32:00 - [35] I have thought long and hard before replying to this message, Viqer, Tyto, your path is yours, and yours alone, I do not like what you have become, but I will not attempt to dissuade you. To my friends and one time blood brothers, fly safe. To the NMTZ, stand your ground, use your contacts and experience, ignore the hired tools, and find your enemy, then do unto him as he would do to you from afar. Vicarrah Tahiri Advisor
Stede Bonnet Minmatar Caffeine Commodities Company Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.09 20:15:00 - [36] Edited by: Stede Bonnet on 09/11/2006 20:21:01 Originally by: Viqer Fell Originally by: Stede Bonnet Edited by: Stede Bonnet on 09/11/2006 17:04:21 So then, what say you about dis? What be da difference between da pirates we have been fightin and yall now? Tis a shame we be flyin side by side now we be flyin 'gainst each other. Dont get ya head confused, ya shoot me once, you be hostile for life, mate. Ya no bedder den da pirates we be shooting, ya kill fer money, just like dey do. I used to think ye be on da side of da light, like us mates. But ye not be, ye be warned, ye are KOS fer life now. Ye pirates. Dear Mr Stede, The difference is quite simple. Pirates are pirates. Mercenaries are well erm mercenaries funnily enough. So unless all the da's and ya's and ye's is the way you normally speak please feel free to just talk like everyone else. We don't go Yaargh and we don't wear eye patches. There is a subtle but important distinction between the way pirates and mercenaries fight for money but if you are happy glossing over it then I'll allow you to enjoy your feeling of superiority without disavowing you of your delusions. I speak for myself here of course rather than for TNT as a whole as we have people from many backgrounds but as for being on the same side, this metaphorical light that you speak of, we were neveron the same side.. I fought to help free Matari people the way I saw fit which was by annihilating the Amarrians and their associated hirelings. I never fought for the republic and to be fair pretty much always viewed the Republic as a bunch of cowards and weaklings. They continually failed to act or provide solid leadership and as such 3 and a half years later we still have the same bunch of monkeys leading the same corrupt system supported by the same fools tilting at the same windmills and spouting the same circular arguments. Nothing has moved on. You are still stuck in the same rut that many corporations started in years ago. We are vilified for choosing to accept this contract because we have Matari pilots or because we know you or apparently because you fight for the light and thus fighting you is to support the "dark". Forgive me for not buying into this pseudo-moralistic mumbo-jumbo. Light? Dark? Grow up and smell the Quaffe. There is no light, no dark, only causes and the many shades of grey they come in. You clearly believe your cause is just and right and therefore all that oppose you are wrong. I simply accept that all causes are equally valid to all who follow each cause respectively. After all I've never seen someone fight and risk their life for a cause they only sort of half believed in. Kill On Sight for life? I don't think I'll let that trouble me as I go bank my salary thank you very much. What ye be sayin bout da republic tis how I feel about dem mate, however da light I be referrin to is da one that cleanses da darkness from ye pirates. Is da moral way of life, and is da one dat repsects life. Ye pirates, and pirates like ye do not respect da life sah, ye dont respect anythin more den ye isk. It is quite evident in ye tone and ye post. Ye a disrespect for all those who be fightin for a free MH. I dun care what ye say, ye pilots used to fly in da kill pirates gangs with us. Tis now be shown, nothing more den gatherin da intel. Get on with yer pirate ways, ye no longer welcomed in me home. _______________________________________________ Da time be now, Rise up me enslaved brethren. Rise up and fight, Ye darks time is numbered. SEEEEYYYLLLLAAAAAA!
Darius Shakor Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.11.09 20:48:00 - [37] I cannot say that this news has pleased us in the Ushra'Khan. Though we owe a debt to Trinity Nova for their hired assistance in our own invasion of 9UY by pirates and cut throats, and were under no illusion of what a mercenary is, it makes me sad none the less to see so many familiar names willing to bare arms against their own for the sake of isk. I might not go so far as to call you all traitors as has been done here already, but I will ask you; what cost is too great? Today you get paid to shoot a well know Republic loyalist Minmatar alliance. What will you be paid for tomorrow, selling people into slavery? Think about your actions old friends, before they consume you entirely. Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 09/11/2006 13:54:37 Killing civilians in an attempt to force people to your way of view through the threat of death is the definition of terrorism, Nooey. Ohh... my... and there we have it. Proof from an Amarrian mouth that their people have a history of terrorism conducted by the Empire itslelf. Starkmanir genocide ring any bells? Ohh and not to mention the hundreds who die every day from Vitoc, a substanced used "to force people to your way of view through the threat of death" in protest deaths. Yes, you have said all I wanted to hear Gaven. True colours at last. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=3
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.09 21:02:00 - [38] Quote: a well know Republic loyalist Minmatar alliance As a member of the diplomatic team of NMTZ I feel obliged to give the standard answer to this: Namtz'aar K'in as a whole does not give their a loyalty to the Republic, let alone the current leaders of it. We have loyalists in the alliance (as is obvious from me posting this), and the alliance is by no means hostile to the Republic. However, its loyalty is to the somewhat more abstract "Matari people", not to the nation. We have many Thukker and sympathizers in the ranks, too. We get along - if sometimes barely - as the light against a bigger darkness. As the war is now live, I am forbidden by alliance rules to offer further comments.
Takanohana Deep Space Explorers	Posted - 2006.11.09 21:17:00 - [39] Quote: We have many Thukker and sympathizers in the ranks, too. We get along - if sometimes barely - as the light against a bigger darkness. There can be beauty in words. Thank you.
Tyto Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.09 22:37:00 - [40] I would like to make a personal statement regarding the shameful, narrow-minded bigotry that I have seen from the outset of this contract. I began my career as a pod pilot as a firebrand, amarr-hating, nationalistic, minmatar freedom fighter. Many of my colleagues have also fought the oppression of the matari race. The reaction from the NMTZ and their friends is staggering in it's over-simplicity. Are you so uni-dimensional that every dealing you have is about race, race and nothing but your race? Is it beyond your capability to imagine that to many outside Molden Heath, NMTZ is an alliance that happens to be minmatar? To accuse minmatar TNT pilots of race-treachery is the action of a self-obsessed toddler convinced that their world view is the one everyone shares. No other entity we have been contracted against has even mentioned race or our political loyalties. Why should you consider yourselves different? Who are NMTZ to claim a status of representing 'the Matari people'? Each time you say that TNT pilots are shameful, backstabbing, disloyal, matari traitors, that representation is exactly what you are claiming. You no more represent the Matari people than we do. Please do not confuse our mercenary business practices with your shortsighted, jingoistic, tub-thumping bigotry. Shame on your ethnic viewpoint, and shame on others who are unable to see through it. Tyto Click here to visit our site
Rocius Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.10 02:36:00 - [41] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 09/11/2006 13:54:37 Killing civilians in an attempt to force people to your way of view through the threat of death is the definition of terrorism, Nooey. We arent talking an accidental killing or two, we are talking about NMTZ pilots actively shooting Amarrian convoys in an attempt to bring Amarrians around to their point of view. Edit: But yes, this is an entirly irrelevant discussion to the issue here. Isn't that just **** rich... Is that not the basis for your entire empire? History serves me right, this is the only way you can spread your "faith" through fear and death. We arent talking about the accidental deaths of a few hundred Matari, but countless millions. So, by your own admision, the mighty spits Amarrian Empire, is nothing more than terrorists themselves. Thank you for confirming publicly, what every living human in the galaxy already knew. Rocius CEO, Gradient
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.11.10 04:27:00 - [42] This saddens me. It saddens me deeply. Elsebeth, Biggus, it seems like only yesterday we stood side by side as part of the Electus Matari. Now you are enemies. It would seem the Stormriders were prophetic in the naming of their alliance. Perhaps the age of Ragnarok is nearly upon us. An age when brother will slay brother and the darkness will swallow the stars. I will not wish anyone fortune in this bleak conflict. I will also not condemn anyone. You are free men and women. You are free to choose the path you walk. I cannot fight for freedom then deny it to others. All I can say is that this news saddens me. >> RECRUITING <<
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.10 09:31:00 - [43] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 10/11/2006 09:46:07 Alliance leaders have asked me as a member of the diplomatic team to shortly respond to the comment by Trinity Nova above. It is usual for mercenaries to claim that their actions are without political or racial connotations. However, this is never true. Every chosen action has consequences, and every mercenary chooses which actions he takes. Even if their motivations are not political or racial, the wars they fight are. NMTZ ideals are not about racial bigotry. We are devoted to safety and freedom of the tribal lands, but we welcome to those lands everyone, regardless of race, who is not a threat to these. We have people of all races in the alliance. We fight wars against only those who engage in criminal acts inside our operational areas; we do not seek to hurt or remove neutral parties. However, all that is beside the point. The point here is, your actions are helping people who seek to hurt the freedom and/or safety of tribal lands, and you know that. Furthermore, most likely some of those people are actually paying you for to do that, and you are gladly taking their filthy isk. You can pretend you are completely non-political when you do this this, but that is nothing but pretense. There is no such thing as a neutral war. You are always helping someone's goals and hurting someone else's, and it is your choice. If there were no difference whatsoever in the goals of the parties at odds, there would be no fight. Even the most simple territorial war is a political one. By taking this contract against us, you are helping criminals and usurpers and harming those who would keep tribal lands free. You can talk about lack of political connections until you are hoarse, but the fact remains you are taking direct action against those who fight to keep the space of Matari people safe and free. For a Matari pilot to do that, it is treason, whether or not you want to admit it to yourself. (Thrace, indeed, it seems to be I am facing betrayal everywhere these times.)
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.11.10 11:39:00 - [44] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon (On a more personal note: Thrace, indeed, it seems I am facing betrayal everywhere these times. I am also not denying freedom from anyone. However, part of freedom is the freedom to discuss the choices you and others make. Freedom without ethics is not true freedom, it is decadence or insanity.) You are indeed facing the wrath of many but perhaps you put too much on your own shoulders. I could, and in fact we have already, argue with you about betrayal. You say I betrayed you and in a narrow sense I did. Really I betrayed the Republic, it was not personal. From my perspective though the Republic betrayed me, it betrayed a noble warrior when it hung Captain Muritor out to dry and it betrays those tribesmen it left behind in the hands of the slavers. We have the insorum that can cure so many of their Vitoc poisoning yet the Republic will not help them. I can go on but it has all been said before. You want to see the tribes strong and united. So do I, all the tribes. Biggus Tankus, do you remember your speech, the one that inpired me to sign-up. Not Sebiestor, not Brutor, not Vheriokor but Matari? What changed? We disagree on the method but we all want the same outcome. This is madness. >> RECRUITING <<
Meklon Caldari Minmatar United Freedom Front Electus Matari	Posted - 2006.11.10 13:58:00 - [45] As one of the Alliances involved in the Molden Heath security force, Electus Matari have had close involvement with pilots from both Namtz'aar k'in and Trinity Nova in combined efforts to make Molden Heath a safe and prosperous region. We have sat on this announcement for several days trying to figure out who would place such a vicious contract onto Namtz'aar k'in and we have decided the most likely source would be one, if not a collection, of the various pirate factions which operate through Molden Heath and The Great Wildlands. Now, by turning Trinity Nova's contract sight onto those from Namtz'aar k'in they have removed not one, but two groups from the fight to stabilize Molden Heath and hence forth we find it impossible not to see this as a move to diminish the Republic. What we believe makes this conflict a heated debate is not the fact that Trinity Nova are upholding their contract; after all, as mercenaries they must, or risk a crippling damage to their reputation. It is more the fact that several of Trinity Nova's pilots and some of those from Namtz'aar k'in hold - or at least held - a great friendship and respect for each other. So, to those Matari within Trinity Nova who are turning their guns towards your brothers and sisters who have fought with you side by side - I leave this final message for you. It is with a sheer deep sadness that we see this bond broken and I believe what is surely more upsetting, even though it is a common sighting within the true 'Pirate' corporations, is the thought of Matari brethren taking their fierce war-mongering skills against another of Matari kin - however, what does make this situation worse is the fact that you are not doing it for honour or just as a test of strength, you are merely selling your heretige and links to your people for some scrapings of ISK. To our old friends in Trinity Nova, are you really sure your being paid enough for this? -=======- -=======- -=======- -=======- -=======- -=======- -=======- -=======-
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.10 14:32:00 - [46] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 10/11/2006 14:38:39 Originally by: Telemicus Thrace You say I betrayed you and in a narrow sense I did. Really I betrayed the Republic, it was not personal. You betrayed the Republic, yes, but you also betrayed me, personally, as a sister in the tribes loyal to the Republic, and many others who counted on your loyalty. My quarrel is not only with your new alliance, it is with you, personally. I have friends in Ushra'Khan I do not call traitors - only by some other names related to their ability to think clearly - but with your history, what you did was not just a choice of politics. Quote: You want to see the tribes strong and united. So do I, all the tribes. Biggus Tankus, do you remember your speech, the one that inpired me to sign-up. Not Sebiestor, not Brutor, not Vheriokor but Matari? What changed? We disagree on the method but we all want the same outcome. This is madness. On this, we still agree, but I am no longer certain if 'the triggerhappy' does. Trinity Nova is in this for isk and for mercenary honor, both motives far removed from the man he was.
Solusar Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.10 14:42:00 - [47] Excellent.
Tyto Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.10 17:38:00 - [48] Edited by: Tyto on 10/11/2006 17:39:04 Originally by: Meklon To our old friends in Trinity Nova, are you really sure your being paid enough for this? Meklon, we have a progressive pricing model, the fact that we took the contract surely says the answer to your question is 'yes'. The confusion comes from NMTZ attempts to portray TNT as a racially 'aware' corporation. As a final note on this rather outmoded, provincial response from NMTZ (who either genuinely believe that their race is the only factor people consider about them, or are making a deliberate attempt to use other people's genuinely held beliefs in a cynical ploy to garner support in a perfectly legal war) I personally have no respect or love for the Minamatar Republic. To claim me as a traitor to it, is to display your own ignorance of history. The People's Front of Minmatar politically divorced from the Republic years ago, I was the initial architect in the creation of the People's Republic. I then went on to fight institutions such as the Republic (and particularly the blinkered racial views they support) in Jericho Fraction. We have indeed sold our skills to our client, and the client before them, and before them. NMTZ is just another contract. It was stated earlier that everything was political, including this war. Possibly so, but our involvement is not. We have no political affiliations, to anyone. NMTZ are muddying waters that are in fact very, very clear to anyone with wisdom enough to see. They are the target of a mercenary contract. Nothing more. To use emotive terms like race traitor, is a political manipulation of their allies. Enough has been said, we are proud to offer a professional mercenary service to our clients. Tyto Click here to visit our site
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.10 18:33:00 - [49] I do not think there is anything to add to here from our side, either. Those who can read can verify for themselves, if we tried to paint TNT as "racially aware" or if we actually commented on the lack of their awareness, and also what I said of NMTZ and the Republic, and draw their own conclusions. Those who cannot read our words but rather fall for those the enemy puts into our mouth would not benefit from one more repetition anyway. See you in space, Trinity Nova.
Cz Ire Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.10 19:43:00 - [50] I am saddened by your actions, trinity nova. I know we have had disagreements in the past, But I thought better of you than this. If you are not willing to paint it in terms of a betrayal to the matari people (which I definatly do believe it is) then let me phrase it in a netural's perspective in a term you might understand. You war dec'd one of your greatest allies, who you have fought side by side with for such a long time. Betrayal to us, it is still, even if you try to shrug it off, claiming "but - we were paid for it" If this is indeed the way your heart works, then I am ashamed I did not see this side of you before now. Not as bad as pirates? at least many of the pirates I know have a sense of honor, and will never break their bonds of trust. You may not be as unselective of your targets, but you are still no better. As for fighting, brother against brother? I have killed as many matari as amarrians. the ammatar, pirate thukkers, angel cartel... It does not bother me to fire upon those who have, as our eldar pacal would say, fallen into darkened ways. We will continue our operations with minimal disruption. While we can personally attest for trinity nova's abilities, and their knowledge of us, this betrayal was more emotionally important than anything else. I do not know what your employers expect you to accomplish in the grand scheme. Thank you, all those who posted your support. It is heartining to know there are others out there who share our vision. -Cz Ire NMTZ diplomat. --- "They saw the long road, the harder road. The road that would ensure what we had gained in the vicious rebellion would not be squandered... our freedom." - Republic Fleet Admiral Kanth Filmir
Inquisitor K'han Minmatar Void Spiders Fate Weavers	Posted - 2006.11.10 19:57:00 - [51] We all know what Trinity Nova are they have never said any different im sure, they are Mercs to the word, and IÆm afraid thatÆs the price of being friends with mercs. So Namtz'aar fight your war like the many others wars that have been at your door and fight with honor and no matter what it takes find out who is behind all this.
Sergej Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.10 22:42:00 - [52] Edited by: Sergej on 10/11/2006 22:47:02 What we do is perfectly legal. There is no crime commited by any TNT pilot. What you accuse us of is a lack of morals and betryal. I ask you, what gives you the right to impose your set of morals on law abiding pilots of TNT? How are you still strugling for the ideal of freedom, when you are no different than the Amarr, following a certain version of reality that you perceive is the rightful world order and you measure other people's worth on how they conform to your image of how things should be? Am I only to be free in your world, as long as I do exactly as you tell me to? In that, I am different from you, from pirates and from political entities. I do not try to impose my view on how I perceive the world should be on anyone else. I choose to be free and I allow you that same freedom, within the rules defined by law. Yes, I work for the highest bidder. No doubt, my actions have consequences, that's what I am paid for, after all. But consider, that even though I'm pulling the trigger, someone else pointed the gun. If it wasn't me, it'd be someone else pulling that trigger and I'd be poorer for it and you'd still be shot at. It was your actions that caused people to want to point the gun at you. While I refuse to discuss morals with zealots, I'd just like to point out that while you preach our actions will have consequnces, consider that they might be a consequnece of your prior actions in the cluster. Causality, as I'm sure you'll appreciate, is not quite that simple as you'd like it to be. Before you accuse me of betryal, consider what debt I had to you? If I have a debt to you, not by choice, but simply by what I am, isn't it then the simplest way to describe me as your slave? I refuse to be your slave. I never promised loyalty to you. I did not betray you. It's not a personal job for me. It's a contract like any other. And I have a feeling that when I close down the unnecesary comms channel, it's going to be a fun war.
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.11.11 03:01:00 - [53] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon You betrayed the Republic, yes, but you also betrayed me, personally, as a sister in the tribes loyal to the Republic, and many others who counted on your loyalty. My quarrel is not with your new alliance, it is with you, personally. I have friends in Ushra'Khan I do not call traitors - only by some other names related to their ability to think clearly, occasionally - but with your history, what you did was not just a choice of politics. There are two sides to every story. While you and my kin in the Sebiestor tribe say I betrayed you all remember I am a half-breed. My father was a Thukker. I served the Republic well but if you look over your archives you will note that while you were all pledging yourselves mind, body and spirit to the Republic I was silent. I want to see our people free, I want to see them strong and I want to see all the tribes united. The Republic does not. The Republic turns it's back on the Thukker, they leave the remnants of the Starkmanir on a devastated world in the heart of the Empire. What is worse yet they will turn on a warrior who risks all for his people. Not to his face, they will just send him where he can die easy. Captain Muritor was marginalised for no reason save the petty ambition of his rivals. An ambition that serves only to keep the elite of the Republic in power. Comfort and peace with the Amarr and at what price? the liberty of millions of our kin. Muritor is not alone, all of us on the front lines know the zeitgeist of the Republic. Officials routinely take in freed slaves while Republic customs officials try to stop us bringing them home. Routinely I see pilots taking crash or sticks to escape the anger and dissatisfaction they feel. Why do they feel this way? Because Midular sits silently in her plush office with a full plate in front of her while a few light years away a holocaust is being commited against our people. Since my liberation I have lived as long with the Thukker as I have the Sebiestor. I have seen from both sides of the wall. I have lived under an Amarrian lash and I know how much a slave will risk for a taste of freedom. There are many who look to me for help, there are many who depend on my loyalty. The Republic does a very good job of looking after itself, especially those at the head table. They may have counted on my loyalty but they certainly don't need it. My brothers here with me on the edge of space depend on me as I do them. My kinsmen in the Thukker, left out in the cold by the Republic, count also on my loyalty. Millions of our people still in Amarrian death camps look to me and my brothers as their only hope of ever being free. The Republic, with you as their Emissary made me choose. You forced me into a corner. You made me decide whether to betray those we left behind, betray my brothers and betray Captain Muritor or to betray a self serving Republic. I made the right choice, I made the only choice any decent Matari could make. I fight every day to bring freedom to those the Republic has forgotten. If that makes me a traitor to the Republic I am proud of it for I say the Republic is a traitor to our people. The Republic has lost it's way. Until it finds the path again I will be out here on the rim fighting our real enemies. Perhaps when you have all finished fighting amongst yourselves you'll join us. >> RECRUITING <<
Nebulous Minmatar Thukker Nomads	Posted - 2006.11.11 12:51:00 - [54] Nebulous spits on the contract negotiated between trinity nova and its slimeball customer Above me I read about loyalty to the republic and loyalty to tribes etc etc, but one of the great things about Namtz'aar K'in is that they hold many different minmatar of very different backgrounds, republican, thukker, brutor etc. By accepting this contract trinity nova have created a war in an attempt to destroy this great meeting of many minds and backgrounds in the name of ISK, this im afraid is an act of traitors and will be considered one by me and many, plus to make it even worse I have a strong suspicion as to who your customer is and if it is, who I think it is, then this war is even more of a disgrace. Finally trinity nova will be one of many who have come and tried to break Namtz'aar K'in's resolve, but like the others before you, you will FAIL!!. Good luck Namtz'aar K'in may cizin bring light in this time of darkness. Nebulous turns his back in shame towards trinity nova then closes his comms
Atandros Gallente Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.11 13:13:00 - [55] Edited by: Atandros on 11/11/2006 13:16:12 Originally by: Flaming sambuka YARR! I do not endorse the pirate way of life and my posts and actions do not represent my corp, unless i pwn you then im representing. A fact the gentlemen concerned should be very grateful for indeed. ------- Sun! Sex! Sin! Death and destruction!
smeggy Minmatar Red Dwarf Mining Corps Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.11 19:49:00 - [56] whoever hired TNT out on contract ask for your isk back. You have been duped and have wasted your isk. These so called fearsome mercs as they call themselves are spineless non fighters. They only fly with cloaks on or hide in stations. They have caused little if no damage to operations for the dwarfs. I cant say much about other corps in the alliance but if this is the way they fight by hiding only then mercs they are not more like pirates who will only attempt to kill noobs. Costing a few noob pilot ships isnt what I would call disrupting an alliance, if anything it is ruining your reputation as a true and frightening merc corp. Ive fought man many corps alliances and mercs as many in TNT know MC for a fact are a fearsome group of mercs who if you spend your money with, will fight and cause havok in a group they are contracted against. If you are thinking of hiring a merc corp to fight your battles you will do well not to contract these people spend your money with a group who have a backbone. smeggy ceo of Red Dwarf Mining signing off bored of watching cloaker ships only.
Cz Ire Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.11 19:49:00 - [57] Thrace, this is not the place to bring up that argument again. We could endlessly discuss the events around all those points you brought up. You should have an idea of how much I was involved around the Karishal affair, and I regret the whole event deeply. If you wish, we can hold another discussion elsewhere on that subject. However, this discussion is meant to be about trinity nova and nmtz. -Cz Ire --- "They saw the long road, the harder road. The road that would ensure what we had gained in the vicious rebellion would not be squandered... our freedom." - Republic Fleet Admiral Kanth Filmir
Futher Bezluden Minmatar Red Dwarf Mining Corps Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.11 19:56:00 - [58] Edited by: Futher Bezluden on 11/11/2006 20:05:26 Originally by: Biggus Tankus I'm interested in how we're being branded traitors when in effect we're shooting a target that isn't aligned to the Republic. NMTZ have never said they support the Republic and many of its members are decidely anti-Republic yet pro-tribe. I'm in the view that the Republic is the tribes and therefore NMTZ doesn't represent anyone other than itself. As a long time Republican I don't see this as a traitorous act, in fact I'm being driven by my patriotic feelings more than anything else. You, Biggus Tankus, have been branded a traitor by those who once called you friend, who once fought alongside you against the tide of darkness eternally ebbing and flowing throughout Molden Heath. Long time Republican? You were branded a traitorous wretch once for your involvement with the blood raiders, but we welcomed you back into Molden Heath and called you brother. This is a betrayal of trust and brotherhood without precedent. Quote: NMTZ have never said they support the Republic and many of its members are decidely anti-Republic yet pro-tribe. NMTZ does what the republic will not do for the weak and ill-prepared, how quickly you forget what we do. We hold no bitterness toward the Republic, give our life's blood each and every day. How dare you, a former blood raider, tell us of patriotism, republican pride, or anything of Minmatar ways. I think your time with them did some long term brain damage. As for the remainder of TNT forces, see clearly that the isk in your coffer is tainted with the blood of innocents and stamped with a skull. You cause is immoral, serves only to embolden the lawless, and will fail. THUKKER -Be Paranoid
Tyto Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.11 20:25:00 - [59] Originally by: Futher Bezluden You cause is immoral, serves only to embolden the lawless, and will fail. I assume you're referring to the strategic cause we have been hired to further. If so, it isn't our cause. If you're refering to our cause - the pursuit of ISK and regular combat operations, I am pleased to report that since TNT began we have made very significant inroads to our goals. Tyto Click here to visit our site
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.11 23:19:00 - [60] Thrace, get me on comm channels you want me further. You know how I feel and I have heard all the arguments of the separatists several times. We have been through this and we are both clever enough to know GalNet is not the place were true discussion takes place. My comm lines are always open - even for traitors. NMTZ, I fully approve of everything that has been said here, but please remember we are in a war and these are the hostiles.
Tyto Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.11 23:54:00 - [61] Heartwarming as this tearful reconciliation is proving to be, perhaps it deserves to be private? Click here to visit our site

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TECOR Caldari Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.12 18:25:00 - [63] Edited by: TECOR on 12/11/2006 18:43:29 Originally by: smeggy whoever hired TNT out on contract ask for your isk back. You have been duped and have wasted your isk. These so called fearsome mercs as they call themselves are spineless non fighters. They only fly with cloaks on or hide in stations. They have caused little if no damage to operations for the dwarfs. I cant say much about other corps in the alliance but if this is the way they fight by hiding only then mercs they are not more like pirates who will only attempt to kill noobs. Costing a few noob pilot ships isnt what I would call disrupting an alliance, if anything it is ruining your reputation as a true and frightening merc corp. Ive fought man many corps alliances and mercs as many in TNT know MC for a fact are a fearsome group of mercs who if you spend your money with, will fight and cause havok in a group they are contracted against. If you are thinking of hiring a merc corp to fight your battles you will do well not to contract these people spend your money with a group who have a backbone. smeggy ceo of Red Dwarf Mining signing off bored of watching cloaker ships only. Please take a look at one of the links on our services page for your answer. TECOR
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2006.11.12 19:44:00 - [64] And what is Trinity Nova's view now that your employer has revealed here that he hired you because he wanted you to die just as badly as your opponents? Re-Awakened Technologies Inc "That looks interesting... Let's nick it!
Tyto Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.12 20:12:00 - [65] Tyto struggles to hide a smile. You aren't serious, surely? Click here to visit our site
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2006.11.12 20:27:00 - [66] Eva's eyes twinkle as she replies I'm thinking that, for you, a contract's probably a contract, so yeah, I think I already know your answer in that regard, but I am wondering how much his option to renew has gone up by I also know you won't comment on confidential contracts, but, well, you guys know that contracts with the mentally imbalanced aren't binding, right? On a serious note, is there any clause in your agreement that prohibits your being hired against a former employer? And all cheekiness aside, it really is heart-wrenching to watch old friends shooting each other. Re-Awakened Technologies Inc "That looks interesting... Let's nick it!
Tyto Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.12 20:38:00 - [67] There has been no negotiation for this contract which precludes a contract on a previous employer. The difficulty is, we won't reveal our employer (unless it is specified that we should) so it isn't possible to say "Can I hire you to shoot the person that hired you before?". T Click here to visit our site
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2006.11.12 20:43:00 - [68] Even if I were quite prepared to take your word for it that you'd thrashed them without telling me who it is you'd thrashed? Re-Awakened Technologies Inc "That looks interesting... Let's nick it!
Tyto Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.12 21:02:00 - [69] It would be terribly unprofessional of me to comment this early into the contract. Click here to visit our site
Evanda Char Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2006.11.12 22:47:00 - [70] You don't find this tide of smug Amarr even a little bit galling? Re-Awakened Technologies Inc "That looks interesting... Let's nick it!
Viqer Fell Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.13 22:31:00 - [71] We are not being paid to hold views on the manner of someone else's news. Click here to visit our site
Dead BoB	Posted - 2006.11.14 08:38:00 - [72] The fact is, all politics aside, Trinity Nova has acted with the utmost profesionality up to this point. Other mercenary corps could learn a lot from the likes of these.
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.14 09:08:00 - [73] With all due respect, I personally would like to suggest keeping this fight in space, where much fun is being had ). Actions speak much louder than all the useless words being spoken here from pilots some of which I hardly ever see in space, in combat. It should be a sign that the most amusing voice in these matters comes from a tiny Amarrian outfit claiming to fund this war - haha, thank you, you made me laugh. Let me suggest however that no, you're wrong: it was actually me. As the mercenaries like to point out, we need the exercise. I also hired the MC. See you later, between the stars. ) So far I especially liked the Brutor trying to hit on the Sebiestor while camping her, and also the incident where the Transport killed the Battleship. -- Thukkers do
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.15 11:21:00 - [74] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 15/11/2006 11:22:10 Hadari, if I catch you with this one more time you are going to be in so much trouble you wish you left with the Troriak. And I don't mean the hiring of the mers.
Kemuel Caldari Seraphim Industries Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.16 15:27:00 - [75] * START TRANSMISSION * Greetings Trinity Nova mercs. As a recent immigrant to Molden Heath I can not and will not make comments regarding any previous alliances/tasks that you may or may not have preformed with my newly adopted Alliance NMTZ. As a Caldari ex-patriate I can understand the lure of the almighty ISK and DO respect your conviction to uphold your contracts once issued. I hope however that some manner of reason can be applied to your actions that will not damage future relations with the Molden Heath community. Since arriving here I have found the lure of something... something good, something BETTER than just ISK and profit margins. I have found... home. Now you threaten that home. This I cannot abide. Your actions in this "war" will be of great intrest to me and rest assured I have every intent to defend Molden Heath in any way I can. I offer you this simple advice: If you see miners/haulers or other non-combatants that your contract has set you up to engage think twice about destroying the livelyhood of such individuals.... your ISK cannot possibly pay for the damage to your reputation... or your... soul. Good luck... I'll be watching. Kemuel * END TRANSMISSION * "Trust not those that come swathed in pretty words... but only those that come forth naked in thier actions."
Ffaide Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.16 17:05:00 - [76] Originally by: Kemuel If you see miners/haulers or other non-combatants *that your contract has set you up to engage* think twice about destroying the livelyhood of such individuals.... your ISK cannot possibly pay for the damage to your reputation... or your... soul. * END TRANSMISSION [/quote Sir, out of one side of your mouth, you admire our conviction to uphold our contract; yet out of the other you ask us to breach it. The simple truth is that our employer sets our target list, no one else. Let me put it to you this way, would you* hire a merc corporation that has a reputation for disregarding the employer's wishes for the sake of their personal agendas? I think not. When other potential employers look at our past, they will not feel what it was like to be involved in the conflict. They will not see the conflict through the lens of political affiliation. They will see win to loss ratios, they will be able to look at the market and see how the region was impacted financially during the engagement. They will run the math and try to determine how much the war cost the target. They will look at the holo reels, and review footage of the battles and watch interviews with the witnesses. They will see how many pilots turned deserter. These are the things that will determine our reputation with future employers. When people want to hire someone with "soul"; they hire a musician. Our employers are not interested in such sensitivities, and are therefore only concerned with reults.
Kemuel Caldari Seraphim Industries Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.17 02:47:00 - [77] * START TRANSMISSION * I do not in any way tell your Corp HOW or WHERE to do your job, I only recommend you consider quite deeply your actions and how they will be portrayed on the Molden Heath newsreels and datawaves. I hold no personal grudge against your Corp for this contract.. I only pity the loss that surely has and will happen due to lower dilligence in patrolling for pirates and scavengers of the weak. Hold your head up proud TNT, for you do inspire those around you.... I only ponder which ones... * END TRANSMISSION * "Trust not those that come swathed in pretty words... but only those that come forth naked in thier actions."
Ffaide Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.18 01:11:00 - [78] Originally by: Kemuel I only pity the loss that surely has and will happen due to lower dilligence in patrolling for pirates and scavengers of the weak. As has been stated before, those that are unable to defend themselves are well advised to seek "higher" ground...
Arron S Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.11.18 07:31:00 - [79] Originally by: Archbishop Minmatar mercenaries fighting Minmatar terrorists. Delicious indeed. Archbishop hmmm... Not all the mercenaries or minmatar, I remember one good looking caldari girl Gah!
Ffaide Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.18 18:09:00 - [80] Originally by: Arron S Originally by: Archbishop Minmatar mercenaries fighting Minmatar terrorists. Delicious indeed. Archbishop hmmm... Not all the mercenaries or minmatar, I remember one good looking caldari girl Trinity Nova is an equal opportunity corporation... Every Pilot is considered equally, regardless of race. Every contract is considered equally, regardless of race. Every target is considered equally, regardless of race. (I hope you are starting to see the readily apparent pattern).
Trian Overdark	Posted - 2006.11.23 00:08:00 - [81] Originally by: Ffaide Originally by: Arron S Originally by: Archbishop Minmatar mercenaries fighting Minmatar terrorists. Delicious indeed. Archbishop hmmm... Not all the mercenaries or minmatar, I remember one good looking caldari girl Trinity Nova is an equal opportunity corporation... Every Pilot is considered equally, regardless of race. Every contract is considered equally, regardless of race. Every target is considered equally, regardless of race. (I hope you are starting to see the readily apparent pattern). To be fair not all the not all the NMTZ are minmatar. I'm an Intaki born and raised in Gallente space. I come to fight for something better than ISK or fame. I fight for freedom. But hey your ways good. Some people have a noble calling and some don't. I suppose you just gotta go with what your left with.
Ffaide Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.23 08:22:00 - [82] Edited by: Ffaide on 23/11/2006 08:22:44 Edited by: Ffaide on 23/11/2006 08:22:20 Nobility is a funny thing, isnt it? It can be bought and sold quite easily, so can freedom for that matter.
Trian Overdark	Posted - 2006.11.25 02:04:00 - [83] Originally by: Ffaide Edited by: Ffaide on 23/11/2006 08:22:44 Edited by: Ffaide on 23/11/2006 08:22:20 Nobility is a funny thing, isnt it? It can be bought and sold quite easily, so can freedom for that matter. This is where I feel sorry for mercenaries. You are the most shallow of people. You do not fight for anything save ISK. You are nothing more than shells of people and slaves to money. You cannot buy nobility you have to earn it. And no amount of contracts is going to get you that. My devotion to my cause cannot be purchased. My freedom can be taken against my will. But unlike your kind I will never barter it for trinkets or ISK. While I write this I truly believe I will always oppose the Amarr. However I can say that I respect the fact that they fight for a cause no matter how misguided. You don't even have a belief of your own. For that I pity you.
Feng Schui Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2006.11.25 10:58:00 - [84] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 09/11/2006 13:54:37 Killing civilians in an attempt to force people to your way of view through the threat of death is the definition of terrorism, Nooey. We arent talking an accidental killing or two, we are talking about NMTZ pilots actively shooting Amarrian convoys in an attempt to bring Amarrians around to their point of view. Edit: But yes, this is an entirly irrelevant discussion to the issue here. Wow. Wow indeed. I love the admittance that the Amarrian Empire is nothing but a terrorist organization. Anyways, as an.. outside viewer, of this war, the only thoughts that I have on this, is that all of the parties involved, is to keep this as professional as you can. Do not take friendships into account. By this, I mean, what happens in space, is kept in space. Do not bring your anger and resentment home with you. After this war is finished, and the contract is completed, let the conflict end then and there. To both NMTZ and UK, I am sorry to say this, but you yourselves knew, that you where being involved with a mercenary corporation. Mercenaries have no professional loyalty, other than to thier wallet. They have personal loyalty, however, they do not allow thier personal lives interfere with thier professionalism. You should have known, from the day you started to fly with TNT, that there would be a day when they would be hired to declare war upon you. This should come as no suprise. Anyways, safe flying to everyone involved, I am going to park the Cyclone, grab a bit to eat, and then check in with Concord about some issues that need resolved. Farewell.
Ffaide Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.26 01:00:00 - [85] Originally by: Trian Overdark This is where I feel sorry for mercenaries. You are the most shallow of people. You do not fight for anything save ISK. You are nothing more than shells of people and slaves to money. You cannot buy nobility you have to earn it. And no amount of contracts is going to get you that. My devotion to my cause cannot be purchased. My freedom can be taken against my will. But unlike your kind I will never barter it for trinkets or ISK. Your sympathies are appreciated, even if we do not echo the sentiment. However, you are just as much a slave to your cause, as we are to ours. Perhaps we are the more enlightened, for we fight for all causes, and you fight for just the one. Clearly you speak of the concept of nobility, whilst I refer to the tangible title (and its benefits of course). Perhaps that is the clearest division between us. You are content with the intangible concept that motivate you, whilst I (and others like myself) would much prefer to see and touch what we fight for. Some are content to believe in things that cannot be seen or touched. Quote: I can say that I respect the fact that they fight for a cause no matter how misguided. You don't even have a belief of your own. For that I pity you. Neither your respect nor your pity are factors in this engagement. We have divorced ourselves from the blinders of indoctrinated belief and political affiliation. From my perspective, there is no greater freedom.
April Knox Caldari Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.27 07:08:00 - [86] Originally by: smeggy If you are in need of a merc corp dont not hire TNT those who hired TNT out on contract against the alliance I am in ask for your isk back. You have been duped and have wasted your isk. These so called fearsome mercs as they call themselves are spineless non fighters. They only fly with cloaks on or hide in stations. They have caused little if no damage to operations for the dwarfs. I cant say much about other corps in the alliance but if this is the way they fight by hiding only then mercs they are not more like pirates who will only attempt to kill noobs. Costing a few noob pilot ships isnt what I would call disrupting an alliance, if anything it is ruining your reputation as a true and frightening merc corp. Ive fought man many corps alliances and mercs as many in TNT know MC for a fact are a fearsome group of mercs who if you spend your money with, will fight and cause havok in a group they are contracted against. If you are thinking of hiring a merc corp to fight your battles you will do well not to contract these people spend your money with a group who have a backbone. My advise to those who need a Merc corp hire MC or someone else dont even waste your efforts with TNT smeggy ceo of Red Dwarf Mining signing off bored of watching cloaker ships only. 2006.11.26 21:26 The war between Red Dwarf Mining Corps and Trinity Nova is coming to an end. Red Dwarf Mining Corps has surrendered to Trinity Nova. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours. Actions speak louder than words... The opinions expressed here are my own, and in no way they represent Trinity Nova's.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.27 09:53:00 - [87] The Red Dwarves have left Namtz'aar K'in. That is what caused that announcement to you; the standard CONCORD wording about "surrender" is misleading. SMEGH leaving the alliance was because of internal diagreements about policies having nothing to do with this war. -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient now.
Ffaide Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.27 15:45:00 - [88] Edited by: Ffaide on 27/11/2006 15:45:45 Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon The Red Dwarves have left Namtz'aar K'in. That is what caused that announcement to you; the standard CONCORD wording about "surrender" is misleading. SMEGH leaving the alliance was because of internal diagreements about policies having nothing to do with this war. The timing of this departure is a most unfortunate...coincidence
Indiexy Red Dwarf Mining Corps	Posted - 2006.11.27 21:17:00 - [89] Originally by: Ffaide Edited by: Ffaide on 27/11/2006 15:45:45 Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon The Red Dwarves have left Namtz'aar K'in. That is what caused that announcement to you; the standard CONCORD wording about "surrender" is misleading. SMEGH leaving the alliance was because of internal diagreements about policies having nothing to do with this war. The timing of this departure is a most unfortunate...coincidence Actually it is, feel free to re-declare war if you feel deprived of war targets.
MobyMule Minmatar PoliCratton Technologies	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:12:00 - [90] Originally by: Ffaide Edited by: Ffaide on 27/11/2006 15:45:45 Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon The Red Dwarves have left Namtz'aar K'in. That is what caused that announcement to you; the standard CONCORD wording about "surrender" is misleading. SMEGH leaving the alliance was because of internal diagreements about policies having nothing to do with this war. The timing of this departure is a most unfortunate...coincidence Judging from your own killboard it is. Looks like you had some good fights with them.
Futher Bezluden Minmatar Red Dwarf Mining Corps	Posted - 2006.11.28 02:00:00 - [91] Originally by: April Knox 2006.11.26 21:26 The war between Red Dwarf Mining Corps and Trinity Nova is coming to an end. Red Dwarf Mining Corps has surrendered to Trinity Nova. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours. Actions speak louder than words... From SMEGH High Command: Red Dwarf Mining Corps left NMTZ due to philosophical and operational differences. The below losses are SMEGH's found on TNT killboard; the war was not the reason for us leaving the alliance unless those were the official Billion-isk, faction SMEGH reapers we were going to fit doomsday devices to for suicide bombings. 11/26: reaper/pod, reaper/pod, bellicose/pod 11/25: burst, reaper, reaper/pod 11/24: merlin/pod 11/23: arazu/pod 11/19: claymore/pod 11/17: celestis 11/16: Typhoon, Claymore 11/14: taranis How were TNT's to us? THUKKER -Be Paranoid
Tyto Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.29 12:26:00 - [92] While we understand NMTZ and SMEGH's desire to minimise political fallout over the departure, and despite our certain knowledge of the reasons, they are not really relevant to us. "We don't care." to quote TECOR. I would have liked to have been able to say what a pleasure it was to lock horns with Red Dwarf, but sadly after some of the comments made by them I can't. Our contracted target is NMTZ, not Red Dwarf. All that happens for us is a reduction in targets. Tyto Click here to visit our site
Auele	Posted - 2006.11.30 03:27:00 - [93] It have not thought that this horrible day will come. Matari trying to kill another Matari. It is truly unfortunate to have lived in such times. "In the end, people think of the beginning."
Ffaide Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.11.30 07:20:00 - [94] Originally by: Auele Matari trying to kill another Matari. It is truly unfortunate to have lived in such times. You know, so far it really hasn't been that bad...
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2006.11.30 13:06:00 - [95] Ah, it is nice to see the nature of the Civire spreading nicely among foreign cultures. At least then you know where the loyalty is, he he. Do not let the fanatics or daydreamers delude you with talk about moral and ethics, your only standards are in being effective at your work. And do not forget the basic teachings: "Earning isk = Good, Loosing isk = Bad." ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Nachshon Caldari Tyrfing Securities	Posted - 2006.12.01 05:05:00 - [96] A mercenary is a mercenary. They have no loyalty to anyone but themselves, and as such are not beholden to anything but themselves. Some Trinity Nova pilots may be Matari by blood, but not Matari by nation. They are not traitors, they are just mercenaries.
Karum Korinth	Posted - 2006.12.09 11:27:00 - [97] Quote: A mercenary is a mercenary. They have no loyalty to anyone but themselves, and as such are not beholden to anything but themselves. Some Trinity Nova pilots may be Matari by blood, but not Matari by nation. They are not traitors, they are just mercenaries. So a pilot who joins the enemy directly is a traitor, but a pilot who joins a mercenary force being paid by the enemy is not?
cold lazarus Amarr Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.12.09 12:15:00 - [98] Originally by: Karum Korinth Quote: A mercenary is a mercenary. They have no loyalty to anyone but themselves, and as such are not beholden to anything but themselves. Some Trinity Nova pilots may be Matari by blood, but not Matari by nation. They are not traitors, they are just mercenaries. So a pilot who joins the enemy directly is a traitor, but a pilot who joins a mercenary force being paid by the enemy is not? That sounds about right. Firstly unless you have more info than me the client is unknown so how would you know he was your enemy and not just a disgruntled ex employee ? Secondly I do not believe we take in employees (or any merc corp for that matter ) while on contract. So no one JOINS the enemy. when you sign up to be a merc you know that one day you could be facing old friends on the field of battle that is a personal decision when you sign your name on the dotted line.
Viqer Fell Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2006.12.09 14:53:00 - [99] The contract has niow succesfully been completed and as such a brief post regarding this has been made here. Trinity Nova are again available for hire and welcome communications from any interested party. Click here to visit our site

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