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Pham Sirge VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.10 08:24:00 - [1] Hi all, In response to the current ECM is overpowered on both tranquillity and on the test server. One of the major arguments is that they have turned ECM from an overpowered module everyone could use to a overpowered module that only caldari can use. While I see this as a non issue as everyone can skill into caldari ships, it does beg the question of why donÆt other races have EW Battleship platforms, the only real choice for battleship fleet EW is the Scorp currently, let someone else get called primary for once. The recons have a clear connection between each EW and their ships. I put forward that each race should receive an EW battleship. With the correct ship bonuses and a modification to Tracking disruptors to effect missiles boats I believe that you could get a lot more diversity out of the other races Battleships, Minmatar and Amarr spring to mind. , Pham Sirge
Paigan Amarr Katsu Corporation	Posted - 2006.11.11 11:49:00 - [2] /signed it's actually pretty obvious what the new Bs have to be: caldari have a ewar and missile platform now and get the missing rail boat. the other 3 races all have the 2 combat lines up to BS but their ewar line only to cruiser. So the new BSs HAVE to be the missing ewar BS at last. But well, it's CCP we're talking about -- This game is still in beta stage
Osiris Warp Spectral Armada Eternal Empire	Posted - 2006.11.11 11:55:00 - [3] mmm you say that but a Domonix can have a mean ECM setup on it i know i often get jamed by a domi with 2 or 3 jamers on it. So to say that you can only use ECM in a scorp is a bit far fetched. Im not sure about minmatar and amarr that might be right they could use some kinda EW BS. Although from memory alot of the typhon's i fight seem to use sensor damps alot so as far as i can see alot of the BS out there already use EW in one form or another. Member of Eternal Empire
Asariasha Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.11 12:21:00 - [4] It is ridiculous how more ans more people begin to whine about this and everything. Sorry mate, but ECM is the Caldari determined EW weapon. If you fit a ECM setup supposed for lets say fleet OPs a Scorpion becomes a more or less pure teamplay-ship. Maybe it is time for you to introduce Caldari pilots to your corp willing to do some teamplay. It is even more ridiculous to ask for ECM ships for each race. If so all other races could ask for a laser/projectile/Drone ship and so on. Greets Asa
Paigan Amarr Katsu Corporation	Posted - 2006.11.11 13:18:00 - [5] Originally by: Asariasha Edited by: Asariasha on 11/11/2006 12:24:36 It is ridiculous how more ans more people begin to whine about this and everything. Sorry mate, but ECM is the Caldari determined EW weapon. If you fit a ECM setup supposed for lets say fleet OPs a Scorpion becomes a more or less pure teamplay-ship. Maybe it is time for you to introduce Caldari pilots to your corp willing to do some teamplay. It is even more ridiculous to ask for ECM ships for each race. If so all other races could ask for a laser/projectile/Drone ship and so on. Other races EW is powerful, too. If you use dampeners correctly you are able to force enemies to come in at close range. sorry but this is stupid. "ewar" is not about giving every race ECM ships. ewar is: Amarr: Tracking Disruptors Caldari: ECM Gallente: Dampeners Minmatar: Painter THIS is what this thread is about. btw: Spare that "greets [name]" We all read your name, its right next to the posting. You may have noticed it: you're not writing a letter in a forum. -- This game is still in beta stage
Pham Sirge VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.11 13:22:00 - [6] Hi all, I guess they donÆt teach reading to you d2 boys, Notice where I said: Quote: I put forward that each race should receive an EW battleship Notice where I mentioned EW(I even bolded it for you)... That in eve terms means electronic warfare not Electronic Counter Measures so I guess you just made a mistake here: Quote: It is even more ridiculous to ask for ECM ships for each race. Perhaps reading this section might have clued you in: Quote: With the correct ship bonuses and a modification to Tracking disruptors to effect missiles boats I believe that you could get a lot more diversity out of the other races Battleships, Minmatar and Amarr spring to mind. I hope you reread (take an evening class maybe) and then once you have comprehended try and repost. , Pham Sirge
Udyr Vulpayne Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.11 13:22:00 - [7] Originally by: Pham Sirge With the correct ship bonuses and a modification to Tracking disruptors to effect missiles boats I believe that you could get a lot more diversity out of the other races Battleships, Minmatar and Amarr spring to mind. a bs sized arbi would be pretty much perfect for amarr. preferably with tracking disruptor range bonus instead of efficency to allow us to reach long range bs with it like the caldari ew ships can. i dont think tracking disruptors should be changed to work on missiles as well though. better create a different module for that.
Asariasha Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.11 13:34:00 - [8] Sorry, reread it and i agree to your suggestion. Next time one more coffee before checking forums xD Greets Asa
Santa Anna	Posted - 2006.11.11 13:34:00 - [9] I'd love to see a Gallente sensor damper boat, possibly with a special module like the one described by murder one in a different thread that had a weak area of effect penalty to targeting range for both the user's fleet and the target fleet. I'm still a nub and haven't seen any space battles yet, but assuming this whole lag thing ever gets cleared up there needs to be a role in fleet warfare for fast BS's/BC's/Cruisers/Frigs to ranks with the enemy fleet and tackle/destroy with close range weapons.
Zarch AlDain Friends of Everyone	Posted - 2006.11.11 14:18:00 - [10] Originally by: Osiris Warp mmm you say that but a Domonix can have a mean ECM setup on it i know i often get jamed by a domi with 2 or 3 jamers on it. So to say that you can only use ECM in a scorp is a bit far fetched. Im not sure about minmatar and amarr that might be right they could use some kinda EW BS. Although from memory alot of the typhon's i fight seem to use sensor damps alot so as far as i can see alot of the BS out there already use EW in one form or another. Have you looked on the test server? ECM just got massively weakened for non-ECM ships. Zarch AlDain
Khralen	Posted - 2006.11.11 18:37:00 - [11] /signed Caldari having a deathgrip on ECM isn't bad when each race has a deathgrip on their own EWAR. And, as much as I like target painting, its not EWAR. If it were Ewar, I'd have a module that would couter it, or provide a reduced effect. Give the minnies something real.

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