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Pinky Denmark
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Posted - 2006.11.10 11:08:00 -
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I hear people complaining about Hitpoint Boost and low dronebay (people wanting to use 5 heavy drones on the BC  ). They are afraid people have too much time to kill their drones, and I just want to say that I'm happy those ships might have to fill up their highslots with weapons instead of being 100% dependant of drones...
No flaming - just made me in a good mood to read... Unfortunately I don't believe it myself 
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Awox
Finite Horizon
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2006.11.10 11:22:00 -
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This is a load of crap tbfh.
Drones under fire? Re-deploy.. 100% shield for at most 0.5-2 second(s) of 20% less damage.
What you might see is people fitting remote reps to repair their own drones.. hmmn, one can dream.
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.11.10 11:52:00 -
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One reason is that no droneship can fit guns.
They simply don't have the powergrid to do it.
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DeadDuck
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.10 11:55:00 -
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 Originally by: dalman
One reason is that no droneship can fit guns.
They simply don't have the powergrid to do it.
But they have the grid to fit med nos ...
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Old Geeza
The Retirement Home
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Posted - 2006.11.10 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: Old Geeza on 10/11/2006 11:58:40
Originally by: DeadDuck
Originally by: dalman
One reason is that no droneship can fit guns.
They simply don't have the powergrid to do it.
But they have the grid to fit med nos ...
Edit: Just because something has a bonus to drones doesn't mean it should rely 100% on drones. Otherwise, it wouldn't have any turret points...
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Posted - 2006.11.10 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: dalman
One reason is that no droneship can fit guns.
They simply don't have the powergrid to do it.
Who told that ? WTS blaster vexor.
Now grab ur toys, go to quickfit and check it, drone ships CAN fit guns, but as name suggest, theyr "droneships" so they SHOULD relay on drones in dps, at least imo
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.11.10 12:03:00 -
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Yes, a dominix can fit medium nos
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Old Geeza
The Retirement Home
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Posted - 2006.11.10 12:07:00 -
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Edited by: Old Geeza on 10/11/2006 12:07:42
Originally by: dalman
Yes, a dominix can fit medium nos
Dalman, you know full well that it can fit 4 heavy nos and still have room for an AB, large rep and 1600mm plate at the end of it. Hell, a full rack (6) of Ion IIs use less fitting than 4 heavy nos.
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DeadDuck
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.10 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: dalman
Yes, a dominix can fit medium nos
And heavys alsow... my point is that you prefer to use the usual ew/nos pair and let the drones make all the work... the PG is there you dont fit weapons on the hight slots because you dont want to...
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.11.10 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Old Geeza
Edited by: Old Geeza on 10/11/2006 12:07:42
Originally by: dalman
Yes, a dominix can fit medium nos
Dalman, you know full well that it can fit 4 heavy nos and still have room for an AB, large rep and 1600mm plate at the end of it. Hell, a full rack (6) of Ion IIs use less fitting than 4 heavy nos.
Yes, I know that.
But unlike you I also know a whole lot about PvP.
And a 4x heavy nos dominix as well as a 6x Ion2 dominix are generally bad setups for PvP.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.10 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: dalman
Yes, a dominix can fit medium nos
And I felt you were someone worth listening to in these threads. Guess my first impression was wrong.
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Old Geeza
The Retirement Home
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Posted - 2006.11.10 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: dalman
But unlike you I also know a whole lot about PvP.
And a 4x heavy nos dominix as well as a 6x Ion2 dominix are generally bad setups for PvP.
Firstly, you have no idea what I do and don't know about PVP. Secondly, if you're fitting medium nos instead of heavy nos, well,
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.11.10 12:14:00 -
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Edited by: dalman on 10/11/2006 12:19:02
Originally by: DeadDuck
Originally by: dalman
Yes, a dominix can fit medium nos
And heavys alsow... my point is that you prefer to use the usual ew/nos pair and let the drones make all the work... the PG is there you dont fit weapons on the hight slots because you dont want to...
You guys don't get it.
At all.
I flew a blaster domi pre-RMR.
I've had large blaster spec 5 trained for a very long time.
I'd love to fit blasters on it.
But it doesn't work.
That's the whole point. Unless you're gonna do a fight that starts at 3km range so you don't have to fit a MWD, you simply can't do a good blaster-fitting. Simple as that.
Originally by: Old Geeza
Firstly, you have no idea what I do and don't know about PVP. Secondly, if you're fitting medium nos instead of heavy nos, well,
You can come do a 1vs1 with me whenever you want. After 3 years and many many hundreds of solo-kills I've never been killed vs less than 3 pilots.
And that's because I know how to fit a ship, k?
Why don't you give some suggestions on fittings instead, so I can tell you how much they suck?
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Pinky Denmark
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Posted - 2006.11.10 12:28:00 -
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Sry for getting you into this argument, but doesn't the Dominix have enough medslots for dampeners to forcing the enemy into range?
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Miklas Laces
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A
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Posted - 2006.11.10 12:49:00 -
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Edited by: Miklas Laces on 10/11/2006 12:51:01
Originally by: dalman
Why don't you give some suggestions on fittings instead, so I can tell you how much they suck?
6x Electron II (void)
Mwd, Web, Scram, CapBooster, TrackingDisrupt or whatever
MAR II, 3 Active Hardeners, 1600mm plate, 2 MFS II
Ogre II
Around 1100 DPS with maxed skills, only medium rep though.
If you put a RCU for a MFS, you can fit a Large Armor Rep and damage is only about 1k.
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Old Geeza
The Retirement Home
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Posted - 2006.11.10 12:51:00 -
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Swap those 3 active hardeners for 2 EANM IIs and a DC.
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Miklas Laces
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Posted - 2006.11.10 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Old Geeza
Swap those 3 active hardeners for 2 EANM IIs and a DC.
2 EANM II and 1 good DC give 78 52 65 65.
3 active hardeners give 60 60 71 71, which looks better to me but it's personal choice I suppose.
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Old Geeza
The Retirement Home
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Posted - 2006.11.10 13:01:00 -
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With maxed skills and good modules, you'll get 79.8 EM, 54.6 EX, 67.2 KI and 67.2 TH.
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Posted - 2006.11.10 13:24:00 -
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megathron ftw 
3 ions 3 electrons 1 neutron II- true sansha NOS
some sort of MWD-webber-scrammer-capbooster
3 true sansha EANM (with skills thats 30ish% to all)
2 1600mm tungsten plate
1 repairer
DCU II
5x wasp EW drones (the heavyECM drones  )
tanks like a god, hurts like hell with void, ecm drones gives u time to breath inbetween being shot.
this setup allows u to tackle about 2-3 battleships at once.
Originally by: Aramendel
A harderner also only works against ships firing on you. ECM is effeciently a harderner for your whole gang/fleet.
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Thoris Levithar
Gallente
Gadget Factory
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Posted - 2006.11.10 15:29:00 -
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Edited by: Thoris Levithar on 10/11/2006 15:30:30
Originally by: Old Geeza
With maxed skills and good modules, you'll get 79.8 EM, 54.6 EX, 67.2 KI and 67.2 TH.
Nice, but even with 3x t1 active hardeners and lousy skills I still get better resists - except for EM, which as we all know is a widely used dmg type in PvP ;)
As to guns on droneships, I personally always fit some. On my Domi I use 3x named electron blasters, 1x heavy NOS, a drone link and a small tractor beam (yes, thats for a mission setup). Even with my mediocre gunnery skills they add about 100 dps to the damage my drones do. Not for use in every situation, but I would miss it :)
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dralid
Vortex.
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.10 15:45:00 -
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On my mission domi I fit 4x 250mm Rail II.
On my PVP domi I don't see the point with the pvp style I prefer
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Hinkledolph
Hinkledolph and K Associates
The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.11.10 16:14:00 -
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Edited by: Hinkledolph on 10/11/2006 16:20:54
Here is my current pvp 'uber tank' setup. I tanked a phoon and raven till they warped off, and 5 cruisers and an apoc till aggro timer was gone i could jump through gate with 80% structure.
High:
E500 Nos
E500 Nos
Mid:
20km Scram
AB
2x cap recharger II
cap booster
Low:
2x Large rep II
2x N-type Active Exp
1x True Sansha Active Kinetic
1x True Sansha Active Thermal
1x True Sansha Active EM
Of course, this does rely on drones... but the point isn't damage output. It's just tanking.
Any advice for a better tank would be good. (Besides the obvious, like more faction gear)
(sorry to hijack thread)
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Siakel
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Posted - 2006.11.10 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Miklas Laces
Originally by: Old Geeza
Swap those 3 active hardeners for 2 EANM IIs and a DC.
2 EANM II and 1 good DC give 78 52 65 65.
3 active hardeners give 60 60 71 71, which looks better to me but it's personal choice I suppose.
Although your resists will be slightly lower(except EM) you also get the equilavent of a second plate through the DCU. Easily worth the lower resists, IMO.
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Zed Nash
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Posted - 2006.11.10 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Pinky Denmark
I hear people complaining about Hitpoint Boost and low dronebay (people wanting to use 5 heavy drones on the BC ). They are afraid people have too much time to kill their drones, and I just want to say that I'm happy those ships might have to fill up their highslots with weapons instead of being 100% dependant of drones...
No flaming - just made me in a good mood to read... Unfortunately I don't believe it myself
Actually, the HP boost encourages the use of Nos.
Longer fights makes cap more valuable, just look at the reports of ships running capdead before breaking tanks on test.
I, personally, will start fitting a remote repper (or two) after Kali, and continue to fly my Domi with Nos in the highs.
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.10 20:05:00 -
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I don't understand how anyone can possibly use remote reps with drones - you need to stay within 7.5km of the drone for its entire cycle, considering you don't have very good control of the drones, this can be very hard. They also wreck your cap...
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Posted - 2006.11.10 20:17:00 -
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Dedicated droneships will lose out a little because drones as a source of DPS is no longer as important as utility.
What i'm saying is, a Dominix with 5 ECM Heavy drones is just as effective as a Typhoon with 5 ECM Heavies except that the Domi will have higher HPs and more replacements. Which is hardly worth a ship bonus, imho.
Oh and Dominix is still a fine ship, lower tier large railguns have good DPS for their fitting cost..
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.11.11 11:54:00 -
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So, after 24 hours none has managed to post a single decent setups with guns (or with 4 heavy nos). I guess that's point proven?
It's quite fun that you're debating the best 3-slot hardening (which in this case obviously is 2x EANM + DC when you only have 1600 + med rep, unless you know what ship you'll fight), when the setup is crap regardless.
1100 DPS is in no way anything special - and certainly not when you're restricted by the extremely short range of electrons and your tank is really bad.
Which also is a paradox in itself; if you're gonna use electron blasters on a BS you better have a kick-ass tank as it takes a long time to get into range and slow down your own speed so you start hitting.
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Sir Bart
Vendetta Underground
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Posted - 2006.11.11 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: dalman
One reason is that no droneship can fit guns.
They simply don't have the powergrid to do it.
Domi can. I think it's much better with guns than nos tbh, although I haven't tested the nerf to gallente guns in kali yet...
50% tracking penalty? If that is cumulative per gun like most ammo penalties, the may as well delete the ammo as it will be useless.
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Sir Bart
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.11.11 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: dalman
You can come do a 1vs1 with me whenever you want. After 3 years and many many hundreds of solo-kills I've never been killed vs less than 3 pilots.
And that's because I know how to fit a ship, k?
You're full of crap. I'm the best player in EVE and even I lose sometimes. If you never lose, it's because you are only ganking npc'ers, not because you're good.
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