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Cleric JohnPreston	Posted - 2006.11.10 19:23:00 - [1] isnt this what we currently have, i mean by instas.. imho instas IS warp to zero.. so whats the bloody whinging about (question mark here )
KayaYautja Caldari Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.11.10 19:24:00 - [2] The thing is, not everyone has instas, wher as now everyone does I'm the omega baby!
Taedrin Gallente Mercatoris Technologies	Posted - 2006.11.10 19:28:00 - [3] The thing is that there are several people who are either too lazy, or too noobish to own instas. These are the only targets that gate campers can actually kill. The problem is that if you give EVERYONE instas, gate campers no longer have these people to kill. I'm a carebear, and am all for giving everyone warp-to-0km, but I can understand why the gate campers and pirates are complaining.
Machanara	Posted - 2006.11.10 19:29:00 - [4] The whole idea for the warp to 0km is to get everyone that uses gate-to-gate bookmarks to erase them out of their folders and off the DB servers. Just imagine, the avg peson having, oh...say 7-10k of bookmarks, Times 20k people or more. You can see how bloody many there are clogging up the workings of the game. Get rid of all those and "hopefully" it increases game performace and just causes less issues overall. I'm for it.
St Dragon Blood Association of Dragons	Posted - 2006.11.10 19:40:00 - [5] Some so called PvP'ers like to sit on or near gates popping passers by. Now tho they will have to intercept incomming people now which requires planning and care which they are not willing or able to do. What they dont realise is that now we have a better scanner system making finding people much better And there is the possability of sniping incomming ships. ----------------------------------------------- "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
Jack Canon	Posted - 2006.11.10 20:04:00 - [6] Plus for most people change is bad.
Varis Jericho Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.10 20:19:00 - [7] also. instas are for "point A to point B" insta. So if you are blocked on that line of approach you are SoL. with the new warp to 0 in testing, you will have instas for "point A..Y to point z" basically you can insta war/dock from any location in space. its a little more powerful, and also a lot more "convenient" in that you dont ahve to organise people and place, wont need truck loads of bookmarks, and will probably have a lot less lag due to not having so many bookmarks anymore. All the same, I dislike the idea for reasons i've outlined elsewhere.
Awox Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.10 20:25:00 - [8] Another band-aid solution to another poor game mechanic designed by CCP. If CCP remove instas without adding warp to 0: a) people get sick of dieing due to not having friends or scouts b) people stop paying cpp money If CCP remove instas while adding warp to 0: a) every idiot can run around in their battleship avoiding direction bubbles and gatecamps by warp to 0 and logoff if the other side is camped too b) Noone quits EVE except for the small minority of people who like to fight around gates, most people just play for the PvE... CCP are gutless *****s. I wish CCP had the balls to police their game. They probably prefer the income to having a decent game.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.10 20:57:00 - [9] Won't anyone think of Ginger Magician????? Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when backdoor bandit is in local.
Arshes Nei Dark-Rising	Posted - 2006.11.10 21:00:00 - [10] Edited by: Arshes Nei on 10/11/2006 21:02:22 Originally by: Taedrin The thing is that there are several people who are either too lazy, or too noobish to own instas. These are the only targets that gate campers can actually kill. The problem is that if you give EVERYONE instas, gate campers no longer have these people to kill. If that was true it would mean in an inversion of the argument that people with instas never get caught by gate camps, which is simply incorrect. I would go so far as to say that most proper gatecamps are designed to kill people using instas. Exception being low sec sniper gankers i guess. Edit: Originally by: F'nog Won't anyone think of Ginger Magician????? I wanted to write his name but instead referred to low sec sniper gankers cause that sounds less vulgar
Zhaine B e l l u m	Posted - 2006.11.10 21:17:00 - [11] Originally by: Awox Another band-aid solution to another poor game mechanic designed by CCP. If CCP remove instas without adding warp to 0: a) people get sick of dieing due to not having friends or scouts b) people stop paying cpp money If CCP remove instas while adding warp to 0: a) every idiot can run around in their battleship avoiding direction bubbles and gatecamps by warp to 0 and logoff if the other side is camped too b) Noone quits EVE except for the small minority of people who like to fight around gates, most people just play for the PvE... CCP are gutless ****s. Awox you're really quite an irritating idiot. This is the guy that walked out of a huge, important fleet op because the FC politely told him to stop making an utter fool of himself smacking needlessly on local. Do we really need to listen to him? That, which I've wanted to for long time, out of the way: warp-to-0 isn't quite the same as instas. For a start it nerfs warp bubbles slightly, espcially small type ones, for reasons which others have explained far better than I can be bothered to here. Secondly no, people don't have instas everywhere and people are* silly enough to transport high value ships and goods through low sec and 0.0 without instas. For these people the game has now been made easier. In terms of 0.0 this isn't a problem as you have a range of options to nullify this change. That is you can use interdictors or deployable bubbles to interrupt warp, or most simply you use a ceptor or other fast locker to get them before they warp on the other side. Anyway in my experience at least, almost everyone with anything worth killing in 0.0 has the required instas. In conclusion, if Warp-To-0 seriously affects your opportunity for targets in 0.0 then you're either incompetant or lazy. Adapt. Low sec is slightly different. Dictors and bubbles can't be used and anything less than a very well tanked cruiser will die to sentries if it tries to tackle. This makes people a lot harder to catch in Low Sec with Warp-To-0, especially as this is where, in my experience, most non-insta users are found. However people can still be caught with sensor boosted ships before they warp, easier travel means more people about so more people at belts etc and frankly if all your targets are people who warp at 15km to objects, you suckat PvP. And again for the sheer satisfaction: Axow you're an dumb over-reactionary fool and really don't like you. - - - - - - - - - - Quote: I don't even want a ship, ships are for carebears. Give me a fish bowl for my head (to keep space out) and smear me with lard, then armed with a toasting fork-
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen	Posted - 2006.11.10 21:43:00 - [12] Edited by: hydraSlav on 10/11/2006 21:44:16 Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston isnt this what we currently have, i mean by instas.. imho instas IS warp to zero.. so whats the bloody whinging about (question mark here ) I am confused too. Do you want to say that you have instas from every single planet/moon/asteroid belt directly to every belt in every single system in EvE? Do you want to say that you have an insta dock to every single station in every single system? Do you want to say that you have a magic way of automatically obtaining and insta from every single random safespot you make, directly to the gate, the moment the safespot is created? Well? Thought so... you don't. No one does. Sure, people can buy G2G instas for regions; sure, people can make instadocks to station's they've visited before. But people don't have every single instadock, nor are there such BMs on escrow. And sure, people have instas from belts and SSs, and moons in systems that they visit frequently. But in a year of playing, i've never seen an escrow BM set called "Every moon in Syndicate to Gates instas" . If people have them, they make them on their own, through investment of time (and risk of being in hostile space when applicable). Now every gets it for nothing? Every single warp in from any random SS? Think before you yap trying to be funny. And if you are so narrow minded that you can't see anything besides G2G, you better stop wasting people's time on forums and actually play the game, to get a better understanding of what it involves. =================================== Above comments are my personal views Originally by: Oveur Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
Awox Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.10 22:18:00 - [13] Originally by: Zhaine Awox you're really quite an irritating idiot. This is the guy that walked out of a huge, important fleet op because the FC politely told him to stop making an utter fool of himself smacking needlessly on local. Do we really need to listen to him? Not my fault most of the people in local didn't understand the difference between pastries and cakes. I had to educate them. As for me being an idiot, well, I fail to see how talking in local with people are actually interesting ruins a safespot hugging op tbfh. I am irritating... like a rash. Originally by: Zhaine That, which I've wanted to for long time, out of the way: warp-to-0 isn't quite the same as instas. For a start it nerfs warp bubbles slightly, espcially small type ones, for reasons which others have explained far better than I can be bothered to here. That's what I said.. Originally by: Zhaine Secondly no, people don't have instas everywhere and people are silly enough to transport high value ships and goods through low sec and 0.0 without instas. For these people the game has now been made easier. Just because people have balls doesn't make them silly. Instas meant there was also a chance you would arrive at the next gate to find your prey might have stressed out and selected the wrong bookmark. Originally by: Zhaine In terms of 0.0 this isn't a problem as you have a range of options to nullify this change. That is you can use interdictors or deployable bubbles to interrupt warp, or most simply you use a ceptor or other fast locker to get them before they warp on the other side. Anyway in my experience at least, almost everyone with anything worth killing in 0.0 has the required instas. In conclusion, if Warp-To-0 seriously affects your opportunity for targets in 0.0 then you're either incompetant or lazy. Adapt. I wish I could carry around enough bubbles in my cargo to stop everyone for when I run around solo, you know, not with 200 other people? Originally by: Zhaine Low sec is slightly different. Dictors and bubbles can't be used and anything less than a very well tanked cruiser will die to sentries if it tries to tackle. This makes people a lot harder to catch in Low Sec with Warp-To-0, especially as this is where, in my experience, most non-insta users are found. However people can still be caught with sensor boosted ships before they warp, easier travel means more people about so more people at belts etc and frankly if all your targets are people who warp at 15km to objects, you suckat PvP. I kind of agree with you on that one. ;) Originally by: Zhaine And again for the sheer satisfaction: Axow you're an dumb over-reactionary fool and really don't like you. Atleast I'm not dislexic. Here, I'll make it easier for you: A w o x I wish CCP had the balls to police their game. They probably prefer the income to having a decent game.
Scoundrelus Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.10 22:50:00 - [14] LMAO! Axow! Thats your new name now! =============================================== We are Watching You.
Athena Starfire Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.10 23:15:00 - [15] Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston isnt this what we currently have, i mean by instas.. imho instas IS warp to zero.. so whats the bloody whinging about (question mark here ) Well, you see, you have to understand how to make an 'instas', some don't.. Warp to 0 will make it so you don't need instas or 1/2 a million bookmarks to gates and stations. Me and mine couldn't care less there is nothing in low-sec we want. But being able to travel a route or missiom with low-sec gates will be nice without worrying about some pathtic peice of space scum screwing your game for you.. Good on ya CCP... --Proud Winner of the "Carebear of the Year!" Award.
Elle D Caldari Ars Caelestis	Posted - 2006.11.10 23:45:00 - [16] Inflation is going to be insane. On the economic side of things, mining ops are going to be A LOT easier to set up because you won't have to make instas to all the cans before hauling. There are several things that can be done to fix this, but i doubt CCP will implement them (and my alt is ok with that).
Zhaine B e l l u m	Posted - 2006.11.11 01:05:00 - [17] To clarify. The beginning and end of my post was a rant at Awox because his post was such a vast over-reaction (and I don't like his posts in general). The rest of the post (from "That.. out of the way" to the last line) was about the OP and how insta's differ from Warp-To-0, and not an answer to Awox's post at all (so parts of it agreed and parts of it disagreed with him). Didn't make that clear sorry. I always seem to mis-spell important things when I flame, I think it's some sort of inbuilt mechanism to stop me being a forum-idiot. Btw Awox: If I was dyslexic then I wouldn't consider myself inferior to you in any way. Consequentially, being someone who is not dyslexic, I don't consider the end of your post a very mature way to speak on a public forum, or a particularly hurtful insult. - - - - - - - - - - Quote: I don't even want a ship, ships are for carebears. Give me a fish bowl for my head (to keep space out) and smear me with lard, then armed with a toasting fork-
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.11.11 01:29:00 - [18] Originally by: Taedrin The thing is that there are several people who are either too lazy, or too noobish to own instas. These are the only targets that gate campers can actually kill. The problem is that if you give EVERYONE instas, gate campers no longer have these people to kill. I'm a carebear, and am all for giving everyone warp-to-0km, but I can understand why the gate campers and pirates are complaining. actually your wrong, the only people who don't have instas are new people, these are the only targets that gate campers can actually kill. The problem is that if you give EVERYONE instas, gate campers no longer have these people to kill. there fixed it for ya I want to die quietly in my sleep just like my dear old grandma, and not screaming in terror like her passengers!!

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