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Leverton Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.11 05:46:00 - [1] I'm thinking about buying a computer, but in my experience computers that are pre-assembled either don't have everything I want in it, or are overpriced. So I'm thinking about building a computer, but I have never done it before. If I wanted to learn how, would it simply be a matter or reading a step-by-step guide, spending a couple days reading up, or a semester long college course? -- The universe is governed by the aggressive use of force. Hows this for a little note! Oh, and YARRRRR!! - Petwraith I prefer the term RAWR - Xorus
oDDiTy V2 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.11 06:17:00 - [2] Edited by: oDDiTy V2 on 11/11/2006 06:17:34 It's a lot closer to reading up on a bunch of things. Be warned though, there's serious potential for wrecking things when you build your own comp, especially if it's your first try :P The most important piece of advice I can give you though is this: ALWAYS ground yourself before you work with anything inside a computer. (Hardware generally doesn't like static discharge.)
Redart Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.11 06:23:00 - [3] Edited by: Redart on 11/11/2006 06:24:39 When I bought my first computer, I was 16 and went to best buy and was looking at some cheap eMachines. The guy selling them to me said "You sound like you know alot about computers. Think you can build one?" I told him "probably." He then handed me a card to a place that sold cheap parts by the airport. (this was in Miami) I went there, asked them what I needed to build a computer, then he handed me some parts and I went home and started playing games a week later. Although, I did almost fry my motherboard in the process. :) I didn't know what those weird little bolts were. hehe' The moral of the story is: 'A dumb 16yr old kid can build a computer.' -------- Gorgeous Gamers
Leverton Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.11 06:29:00 - [4] Well, I'm thinking about a computer that would be in the 1200-1500 dollar range retail, so I do NOT want to mess it up. The reason I want to build it is that I know I can get it cheaper that way, and I can't afford to pay full price I'm not one of those guys who doesn't know the difference between a CPU and RAM, but I haven't taken any classes in computers either. It would be nice if there was a step-by-step guide for it. (1st: Connect that. 2nd: Plug that in... Final: Close it up, you're done building.) -- The universe is governed by the aggressive use of force. Hows this for a little note! Oh, and YARRRRR!! - Petwraith I prefer the term RAWR - Xorus
Quin Tal Fort Knox Inc Expeto Libertas Foedus	Posted - 2006.11.11 07:14:00 - [5] Now a days everything is color coded, and labeled. Like the other guys said, just make sure you ground yourself, especially during those first stages of installing your CPU. Also make sure everything is nicely bundled with zap straps. It's a real pain to have wires hanging every which way in your case. One it looks bad, two its aweful for air flow.
Troia Dante FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.11.11 09:12:00 - [6] Hi. These two sites are about to become your best friends. Remember this advice also. If something costs less then chances are they had to do something to make it cost less. A lot of times lower price = lower quality in computer parts. The only items you can skimp on and get away with are your HD and your ram. Otherwise your entire system will suffer. If you skimp on those two items well your performance will degrade, but not as much as with other things. www.newegg.com www.zipzoomfly.com Infact, because i'm bored i'll give you a parts list for a decent mid/high range comp in your budget. The focus on this is longterm use and upgrade ability. Some parts are expensive, but well worth it as they are quality parts. Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811112025 It's not flashy, but Lian Li makes the best computer cases in the world and that is not an exaggeration. They have the best cooling and are the most sturdy. They aren't as flashy, but you're looking to get the best bang for your buck and glitz costs extra. $90 Power Supply: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103941 Do not buy anything other than antec. I've used every top brand before and antec out performs them all. Not to mention it also has three 12v rails. This will also support dual graphics cards if you later decide to buy a second. $115 Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131068 Asus makes a great motherboard. The only company that really can compete with its quality is MSI. Also AMD is better for gaming. Intel is better for doing large spreadsheets etc, but the way AMD handles its floating point calcs makes it better for games. Also AMD runs a lot cooler than intel and the cooler something is the better it performs. $95 CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103758 A little pricey, but will last you a long time.Great cpu and will work well with vista and WinXP 64 (You MUST have either linux or xp64 to get the most out of this system. Both are easily err "obtained".) $390 GFX Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814195024 Use the 6.10 and up drivers. Pricey, but top of the line. This is the crossfire compatible card and lets you use ATIs version of SLI(called crossfire) if you decide to buy the crossfire edition card later on. $441 (Never ever ever ever buy anything with the word sapphire in the title as they are complete and utter crap. Also only buy the 512mb cards as anything under won't perform as well) RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820231073 Decent ram at a good price. Don't overclock this though as this particular RAM isn't designed well for overclocking, but it performs really well at stock speeds anyways. Gaming HD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822136054 This is a raptor drive.It runs at 10,000 rpm as opposed to the 7200 that most run at.What this means to you is that it seeks information faster aka it's great for games. Use this for your games and not necessarily as your primary storage drive. You have an old computer I take it so just format that HD and use it for primary mass storage. Otherwise this HD works well: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144408 It's just a standard 320gb mass storage internal drive. Will work just fine for anything you need to do with it. (Same price for both) $105 Artic Silver: DO NOT forget this. This is a godsend for your CPU. It will let it run a few degrees cooler than without it.(Always a good thing) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835100007 Personal preference parts NIC: The MB comes with one, but it's always better to buy one from a company that specializes in making them. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16833124107 $18 Cables: To improve air flow buy round IDE cables and floppy cables. Helps cooling by a
Troia Dante FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.11.11 09:15:00 - [7] Edited by: Troia Dante on 11/11/2006 09:16:31 Total cost for the above mentioned computer is $1463(Remember if you buy online there is no tax in most cases) This leaves you $37 in your budget for a few more fans and cables if you so choose. I recommend at least a few more fans other than what comes with the case. Lian Li is amazing though so cooling shouldn't be much of an issue. If you need any more help just reply to this and i'll do what I can. I've only ever owned one prebuilt computer and hated it. I've built all mine since I was 13. (I'm 21 now.) Since you already have a monitor/keyboard/mouse etc I left those parts out, but if you want to buy new ones they are pretty cheap. The price would be about 1800 total for everything if you include those items. (Wireless keyboard/mouse and an LCD screen)
Volyte Lion's Emporium	Posted - 2006.11.11 10:00:00 - [8] Originally by: Leverton I'm thinking about buying a computer, but in my experience computers that are pre-assembled either don't have everything I want in it, or are overpriced. So I'm thinking about building a computer, but I have never done it before. If I wanted to learn how, would it simply be a matter or reading a step-by-step guide, spending a couple days reading up, or a semester long college course? Go to www.ibuypower.com - they have the most reasonably built custom computers anywhere in the world - I've never been able to find anyone cheaper. Honestly, I just bought a computer from them and after pricing the parts out to build it myself, the ibuypower version came to about $50 bucks more. They are a wonderful company, and highly reccomended (especially if you have never built one before and are considering building a $1400 computer). "Some days you're the bug. Other days, you're the windshield."
Volyte Lion's Emporium	Posted - 2006.11.11 10:03:00 - [9] Originally by: Troia Dante Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131068 Asus makes a great motherboard. The only company that really can compete with its quality is MSI. Also AMD is better for gaming. Intel is better for doing large spreadsheets etc, but the way AMD handles its floating point calcs makes it better for games. Also AMD runs a lot cooler than intel and the cooler something is the better it performs. $95 AMD USED to have the best performance for games, that is until Core 2 Duo's came out. The low end Core 2 Duos (especially when overclocked) outperform the AMD FX-60s and come very close to the FX-62's. The E6600 overclocked will absolutely decimate either of the aforementioned AMD's in gaming benchmarks - Intel is the better choice, especially considering they aren't that much more expensive then the AMD-AM2's. "Some days you're the bug. Other days, you're the windshield."
Steven Gerrard	Posted - 2006.11.11 10:13:00 - [10] Originally by: Troia Dante CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103758 A little pricey, but will last you a long time.Great cpu and will work well with vista and WinXP 64 (You MUST have either linux or xp64 to get the most out of this system. Both are easily err "obtained".) $390 I thought an Intel core duo E6300 or E6600 would wipe the floor with that AMD cpu and at $183 for an E6300 is way cheaper. Leaving you to spend the money where it counts on a graphics card. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115005
gfdhggfddgfdgf	Posted - 2006.11.11 10:57:00 - [11] Edited by: gfdhggfddgfdgf on 11/11/2006 11:06:46 edit2 I stand corrected. Just reread a lot of reviews and yep it seems intel finally got something right and fixed their old design flaws.
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolance	Posted - 2006.11.11 11:24:00 - [12] Edited by: madaluap on 11/11/2006 11:25:30 Originally by: gfdhggfddgfdgf Edited by: gfdhggfddgfdgf on 11/11/2006 11:06:46 edit2 I stand corrected. Just reread a lot of reviews and yep it seems intel finally got something right and fixed their old design flaws. LoL i just wanted to quote you I was a big AMD fan, but well they cost money and so you buy the best cpu, which is intel atm. 1. They run cooler 2. They are faster with dualcore 3. They are cheaper No point really in using AMD. 2.4ghz proc running @ 5ghz and 4.9ghz stable.. Intel ftw You will need some cooling though. Linky to awesome site /edit: thats not my pc offcourse, im to noobish for all that. _________________________________________________
Troia Dante FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.11.11 11:27:00 - [13] Hmm only one problem with AMD that I see right now. The core 2 duo MBs only have one PCIEx16 slot which makes using 2x gfx cards pretty much impossible.
Redart Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.11 12:52:00 - [14] Oh hey. I forgot to mention.... Do NOT buy anything from TigerDirect.com. They may be cheap, but I bought a set of items to build a computer with once from them and only 2 were what I ordered. The rest were technically what I ordered, but the specs they gave me on the site were VERY VERY wrong. They did nothing to correct it. -------- Gorgeous Gamers
Leverton Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.11 15:57:00 - [15] Troia Dante I found your information INCREDIBLY helpful, thank you. I'm just looking to gather information so when I go and do it I don't *k it up. -- The universe is governed by the aggressive use of force.** Hows this for a little note! Oh, and YARRRRR!! - Petwraith I prefer the term RAWR - Xorus
Leverton Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.11 23:25:00 - [16] After doing some extensive reading, I think it may be possible to simply upgrade some aspects of my current machine, rather than make a new one from scratch. The BIG problem I have now is that the motherboard does not have a PCIe x16 slot, only a regular PCI. This makes high-end gaming a nightmare (I CAN run oblivion with oldblivion on low settings!) Other than that I've got 1GB of RAM, a sizeable HD, and a decent processor, 2.93Ghz. It looks to me like purchasing a new motherboard might solve the problem entirely. What I'm mostly looking for is a website to go to that has lots of information about how all of this works. -- The universe is governed by the aggressive use of force. Hows this for a little note! Oh, and YARRRRR!! - Petwraith I prefer the term RAWR - Xorus
Constantine Arcanum Gallente IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.	Posted - 2006.11.12 02:09:00 - [17] Originally by: Leverton After doing some extensive reading, I think it may be possible to simply upgrade some aspects of my current machine, rather than make a new one from scratch. The BIG problem I have now is that the motherboard does not have a PCIe x16 slot, only a regular PCI. This makes high-end gaming a nightmare (I CAN run oblivion with oldblivion on low settings!) Other than that I've got 1GB of RAM, a sizeable HD, and a decent processor, 2.93Ghz. It looks to me like purchasing a new motherboard might solve the problem entirely. What I'm mostly looking for is a website to go to that has lots of information about how all of this works. Just make sure that your mobo is the same socket as your CPU fotheloveofgod! Same chipset as your old one helps too, but not vital. I helped - Cortes What a shiny and lovely place here - Eshtir Well lets make it a party atleast :D -Xorus RAWWWR!11!!1!2 SIG HIJACK!!11!1 I found it first, get orrrfff moiiii laaannnd - Cortes
Lithalnas Amarr Hadean Drive Yards	Posted - 2006.11.12 02:33:00 - [18] new egg is always good about their returns, i just got some more ram in the mail from them, i should install next week. (because i haven't technically gotten it for the birthday yet) And if you freak out there is always the backup of Ibuypower.com, they make good stuff with good components, i have bought 5 of them for family, and have yet to get on a plane to fix one. You can tell who is the computer repair man in the family. And prevent static discharge, build your computer n4ked. ------------- Cadet Lithalnas - Logistics Division - Hadean Drive Yards
Verizana Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.12 02:42:00 - [19] I took a day to take a computer down to pieces that I didnt care for if it got destroyed. So I learned how to plug every single wire, harddrives, cd-trays, putting in video, sound or just a modem. it's real simple now. Only thing that buggeed me was the right combination for the wires from the start button and all that.
Troia Dante FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.11.12 07:52:00 - [20] Originally by: Verizana I took a day to take a computer down to pieces that I didnt care for if it got destroyed. So I learned how to plug every single wire, harddrives, cd-trays, putting in video, sound or just a modem. it's real simple now. Only thing that buggeed me was the right combination for the wires from the start button and all that. This is an excellent idea! Once you buy the parts for your new one you can simply take apart and rebuild your existing computer until you're comfortable building your new one. As previously stated by others. Make sure you ground yourself! Static electricity and sensitive components = bad. Here is a quick step by step. May differ for some computers, but this is the general gist of it. Install the power supply. It only goes in one way so no worries there. Line up the metal plate that goes over the ports of your motherboard to the back of your case and pop it into place. GENTLY set your motherboard into the case and determine where you are going to have to put in your anchor screws.These you are going to hand tighten and then set the motherboard over and screw in another set on top to hold the motherboard in place. Your case may come with plastic tabs you can use also. These you just pop in and pop the mb on top. Put your cpu onto your motherboard before you screw it in though now and make sure you put it in correctly. There should be a gold tab on one side and a corresponding marker on the mb that you need to align it to. Place artic silver on top of your cpu now and then put the cpu fan on top of it and latch it into place. (There will be a metal bar used to latch it in and you have to press hard on it) Next install your hd, floppy disk drive, and dvd drives by inserting them into their appropriate bays. You're either going to srew them in or use plastic holders. This is easy to figure out though and there are directions with the case. Next connect your IDE cables from the mb to your drives and then the fun part. Jumper cables. These are actually very easy to install. Your motherboard will come with a guide that will tell you exactly where to put them. Once that's done you install your gfx card and NIC and connect the PSU to your components and install your software. This is just a quick and dirty guide and some steps will be different depending on what cooling option you choose. So take this as just a basic reference point only.
Kindakrof Caldari Cruor Frater Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2006.11.12 17:16:00 - [21] Start with cement. --- --- ---
mamolian Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.12 17:29:00 - [22] Edited by: mamolian on 12/11/2006 17:31:49 Originally by: oDDiTy V2 The most important piece of advice I can give you though is this: ALWAYS ground yourself before you work with anything inside a computer. (Hardware generally doesn't like static discharge.) ^^ Once that much is done, you can afford to put it together, and take it apart.. and put it back together again.. etc.. while you iron out any issues you have during the build. You can buy one of those little wrist straps that you can attach to somthing thats well grounded(kitchen taps maybe?) -------------------------------
Leverton Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.12 19:22:00 - [23] I like the idea of building it naked to prevent static It seems to me like it is a lot easier than it used to be, and as long as I move slowly and use my head, there shouldn't be any problems. Does this sound right? -- The universe is governed by the aggressive use of force. Hows this for a little note! Oh, and YARRRRR!! - Petwraith I prefer the term RAWR - Xorus
Lithalnas Amarr Hadean Drive Yards	Posted - 2006.11.12 20:21:00 - [24] something for those of us who are visual learners, there is a guy who does video reviews. He usually shows you on video how do do everything. http://www.3dgameman.com/ ------------- Cadet Lithalnas - Logistics Division - Hadean Drive Yards
HolographicEntrypoint Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.13 10:34:00 - [25] Make god**** sure you install the CPU Cooler facing the correct way ... that cost me a CPU once. Didnt realize the cooler was assymetric. --- ^ Custom Sigs for ISK My custom Sigs Gallery

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