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Kaelli University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.12.05 17:59:00 - [1] - Quote I'm going to be setting up a research and manufacturing POS. This is mainly for the research but I figured I'd throw some assembly arrays on there as well and it seems to fit 2 science/production characters 1 advance lab 1 normal lab =19 jobs then ammo, equipment array/s maybe ship ? Anyway I know nothing about POS defense and don't want to waste time and money by looking like a sitting duck Obviously I want to go for a medium to save on fuel and I was even thinking faction medium. Is defending one of these possible?? In a pos planner I squeezed on 2 of each shield hardener and that's it. Somehow I didn't think this was enough. I suspect I could fit the same amount of ECM I don't want to bother with guns, as they can just logi themselves anyway, I just want to make an unnattractive/ annoying target. So either load up on ECM or Hardeners. That's as far as I got, any tips?
Serial Chi Dust Bunnies 514 55	Posted - 2011.12.05 18:11:00 - [2] - Quote depends on where you are setting it up. if its in high sec, you dont need ship/ammo arrays. a station is better because you dont have to waste the isk/cpu/pwg. if you have enough standings to reanchor your pos, all you do is take it down if you get war dec, wait for war dec to run off, and place the pos back up again.
Minaxa 1st Contact Fade 2 Black 0	Posted - 2011.12.05 18:15:00 - [3] - Quote Serial Chi wrote: If its in high sec, you don't need ship/ammo arrays. a station is better because you don't have to waste the isk/cpu/pwg. With the new POS fuel blocks you don't have to worry about CPU and PG. It's all the same amount of blocks/hr. But the rest of the post is true: if you are in high sec just take down the POS if you get wardecced.
Kaelli University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.12.05 18:18:00 - [4] - Quote Yeah you're probably right, it's not like I would leave it up anyways. But it's more of a "oh **** I didn't log in for 24 hours and I was wardecced OH NO" kind of safe guard.
Minaxa 1st Contact Fade 2 Black 2	Posted - 2011.12.05 18:21:00 - [5] - Quote A few ECM batteries will annoy the possible POS bashers to the point they don't care. This article talks about ECM briefly. If you do decide to anchor weapon systems don't use missiles. They are widely considered crap.
Kaelli University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.12.05 18:25:00 - [6] - Quote Minaxa wrote: A few ECM batteries will annoy the possible POS bashers to the point they don't care. This article talks about ECM briefly. Thanks a lot, also you said something about not having to worry about CPU and PG, I assume you mean in terms of fuel costs and keeping things online correct? Does it effect what I can fit on there?
Arana Mirelin Te'Rava Industries 22	Posted - 2011.12.05 18:26:00 - [7] - Quote Honestly, I don't worry about it. I have a POS with 4 labs, a component array and an equipment array. I had ECM but never bothered putting them back when I moved. One of the major things you can and should do is have a corp office in the same system where your tower is going. ALL of your BPOs go there. It's a good habit to get into, not having to worry about which BPOs are worth over a certain amount, or any of that. You can research, manufacture, copy, whatever those BPOs while they're safely in station. I also tend to keep most of my datacores and material reserves in station as well. If someone wants to wardec me, they can kill the tower and modules, but they won't get a lot for it (if I don't manage to pull it down first). It's also especially true in lowsec, if you're in a system with no stations, and you have labs up, you will be assumed to be a pinata.
Arana Mirelin Te'Rava Industries 22	Posted - 2011.12.05 18:28:00 - [8] - Quote Kaelli wrote: Minaxa wrote: A few ECM batteries will annoy the possible POS bashers to the point they don't care. This article talks about ECM briefly. Thanks a lot, also you said something about not having to worry about CPU and PG, I assume you mean in terms of fuel costs and keeping things online correct? Does it effect what I can fit on there? After the fuel block changes go into effect, CPU and PG levels will no longer change the amount of fuel the tower uses, correct. You will still be subject to the PG and CPU limits when onlining modules though.
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 170	Posted - 2011.12.05 18:28:00 - [9] - Quote Sounds like a small control tower, which are impossible to defend. Either consider it throw-away, or un-anchor when you get a wardec. Medium control towers can be lightly defended, or un-anchored. In hisec, EWAR is generally the best defense. Large control towers are the only ones I'd bother with a substantial defense, as it is usually too much trouble to un-anchor everything.
Salcon Cliff Aliastra Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2011.12.05 18:54:00 - [10] - Quote Our POS (hi sec) has a ton of ECM that can be onlined (45+ at once, plus some backup), hardeners that can be put online if you start losing the battle, and an assortment of guns/scrams in case you feel like taking down a few ships. A couple of friendly folks in BS can cause havoc for an assault fleet that is being subject to 45 ewar arrays. Minmatar towers also have 50% EM/25% Therm resists, which match up well against the favored weapon of POS bashing - lasers. Now that CPU/Grid is always maxed, we will also be leaving more defenses online, so ramping up the defenses will be easier, as well
RubyPorto Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion 76	Posted - 2011.12.06 07:14:00 - [11] - Quote Hisec POSes can't be killed via wardec. Make sure there's nothing outside your shields to shoot at then use a decshield to be out of wardec by the time your POS comes out of RF. You can even time it so that there's a DT in there to make sure you've broken any aggro timers. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1111/DecShield.jpg https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19881
KrakizBad Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension 91	Posted - 2011.12.06 09:16:00 - [12] - Quote RubyPorto wrote: Hisec POSes can't be killed via wardec. Make sure there's nothing outside your shields to shoot at then use a decshield to be out of wardec by the time your POS comes out of RF. You can even time it so that there's a DT in there to make sure you've broken any aggro timers. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1111/DecShield.jpg https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19881 Yep. Now there is literally no reason to put defenses on hisec posses at all other than to be a **** to the attacker. I suggest as many ECM modules as you can fit after using the PG/CPU for the stuff you need. Then sit in the tower and laugh. Then use a decshield. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39006524/DumbHiseccers.jpg
Kaelli University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.12.06 10:27:00 - [13] - Quote RubyPorto wrote: Hisec POSes can't be killed via wardec. Make sure there's nothing outside your shields to shoot at then use a decshield to be out of wardec by the time your POS comes out of RF. You can even time it so that there's a DT in there to make sure you've broken any aggro timers. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1111/DecShield.jpg https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19881 Does this work with the militia? Say the corp joins caldari militia with it's standings. Then leaves, you can join caldari again or amarr? Same effect?
Kaelli University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.12.06 10:42:00 - [14] - Quote KrakizBad wrote: RubyPorto wrote: Hisec POSes can't be killed via wardec. Make sure there's nothing outside your shields to shoot at then use a decshield to be out of wardec by the time your POS comes out of RF. You can even time it so that there's a DT in there to make sure you've broken any aggro timers. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1111/DecShield.jpg https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19881 Yep. Now there is literally no reason to put defenses on hisec posses at all other than to be a **** to the attacker. I suggest as many ECM modules as you can fit after using the PG/CPU for the stuff you need. Then sit in the tower and laugh. Then use a decshield. Does ECM have to go outside the shields?
RubyPorto Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion 79	Posted - 2011.12.06 10:58:00 - [15] - Quote Kaelli wrote: KrakizBad wrote: RubyPorto wrote: Hisec POSes can't be killed via wardec. Make sure there's nothing outside your shields to shoot at then use a decshield to be out of wardec by the time your POS comes out of RF. You can even time it so that there's a DT in there to make sure you've broken any aggro timers. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1111/DecShield.jpg https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19881 Yep. Now there is literally no reason to put defenses on hisec posses at all other than to be a **** to the attacker. I suggest as many ECM modules as you can fit after using the PG/CPU for the stuff you need. Then sit in the tower and laugh. Then use a decshield. Does ECM have to go outside the shields? AFAIK Militia doesn't work, ECM goes out of the shields and in thus not recommended (you can time putting a dt between coming out of dec and coming out of RF, but it's a pain. There is a Decshield Alliance that charges something something like 50mil for the service.
Kaelli University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.12.06 11:02:00 - [16] - Quote RubyPorto wrote: AFAIK Militia doesn't work, ECM goes out of the shields and in thus not recommended (you can time putting a dt between coming out of dec and coming out of RF, but it's a pain. There is a Decshield Alliance that charges something something like 50mil for the service. I think I'll put up a lot of shield hardeners just to be a pain then since they can go inside. I'll be in the militia probably then leave and join the decshield alliance. Sounds like a plan. I'm not necessarily a fan of immunity mechanics but vOv will use them while they exist like every other loophole that comes up in EVE
Velicitia Open Designs 167	Posted - 2011.12.06 12:43:00 - [17] - Quote Kaelli wrote: RubyPorto wrote: AFAIK Militia doesn't work, ECM goes out of the shields and in thus not recommended (you can time putting a dt between coming out of dec and coming out of RF, but it's a pain. There is a Decshield Alliance that charges something something like 50mil for the service. I think I'll put up a lot of shield hardeners just to be a pain then since they can go inside. I'll be in the militia probably then leave and join the decshield alliance. Sounds like a plan. I'm not necessarily a fan of immunity mechanics but vOv will use them while they exist like every other loophole that comes up in EVE um, if you're joining the militia corp, you're not gonna be able to set up a tower... Don't bother with faction towers, they're stupidly expensive (multi-billion ISK investments at this point for the larges, I assume small and med are also exorbitantly priced).
Kaelli University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.12.06 12:52:00 - [18] - Quote Velicitia wrote: Kaelli wrote: RubyPorto wrote: AFAIK Militia doesn't work, ECM goes out of the shields and in thus not recommended (you can time putting a dt between coming out of dec and coming out of RF, but it's a pain. There is a Decshield Alliance that charges something something like 50mil for the service. I think I'll put up a lot of shield hardeners just to be a pain then since they can go inside. I'll be in the militia probably then leave and join the decshield alliance. Sounds like a plan. I'm not necessarily a fan of immunity mechanics but vOv will use them while they exist like every other loophole that comes up in EVE um, if you're joining the militia corp, you're not gonna be able to set up a tower... Don't bother with faction towers, they're stupidly expensive (multi-billion ISK investments at this point for the larges, I assume small and med are also exorbitantly priced). My corp was going to join a militia for the chat channels, obviously this is all happening when the standings have updated in a week after corp creation. And yeah, I was considering putting up a medium faction to save on fuel costs over the long term, probably should calculate how long it would take to start saving over initial investment. Edit: Just checked on faction towers, they are pretty expensive, for some reason I remember them being much less about a year ago, maybe I'm wrong. Not going to pay 750m for a medium.. lol
Kaelli University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.12.06 13:05:00 - [19] - Quote Why haven't the POS' fuel cost been updated to the fuel cube things?
RubyPorto Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion 80	Posted - 2011.12.06 13:07:00 - [20] - Quote They're expensive because CCP pulled them from the drop list when POSes became buildable with PI They havent been updated (where I don't know) because POSes are not fueled by POS fuel bricks.
KrakizBad Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension 95	Posted - 2011.12.06 14:37:00 - [21] - Quote FYI the decshield alliance is free. On the other hand, being in the militia is being perpetually at war, so if you're doing it only for chat channels(?) as opposed to mission grinding, you may want to reconsider joining the militia. If you are in the militia, you will not have the 24 hour warning before your tower gets attacked and they will be able to kill it before you switch alliances. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39006524/DumbHiseccers.jpg
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association 30	Posted - 2011.12.06 14:47:00 - [22] - Quote RubyPorto wrote: They're expensive because CCP pulled them from the drop list when POSes became buildable with PI They havent been updated (where I don't know) because POSes are not fueled by POS fuel bricks. Ah, that explain why faction POS modals have become so beastly expensive. Been wondering that. Non Nobis Domine Non Nobis Sed Nomine Tua Da Na Glorium
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 174	Posted - 2011.12.06 22:43:00 - [23] - Quote Cygnet Lythanea wrote: Ah, that explain why faction POS modals have become so beastly expensive. Been wondering that. CCP: Why dont Faction tower BPC's drop anymore? CCP Dropbear wrote: Just relaying things here guys, so I can't speak to the matter in detail. For those that missed it, in the "Devs Answer Everything" thread, this was addressed already by CCP Greyscale: Quote: We're looking at adjusting the supply of these at some point in the reasonably near future, possibly. So...we are already aware of it. No need to file bug reports. Faction towers will go back in someday if we can ensure a better distribution of them. That's the issue here, and as others noted, it's exacerbated by high-sec (low-risk) POS, and so on. End of the day it's a distribution method that wasn't working as intended and needs a fix, if one is even possible (hence the "possibly" in Greyscale's reply). I'm sorry we can't provide more details right now, but that's where this particular thing is at right now. BFF has much bigger fish to fry, I think you'd all agree, so it'll get some attention, but only once other priorities are dealt with.
Ruby Inthedust Twilight Alchemy 1	Posted - 2011.12.06 23:00:00 - [24] - Quote I'm going to assume you don't want to cheat the decshield mechanic and you want to defend your POS rather than just dismantling it when wardecced (will only take a few seconds post-crucible). I don't recommend a small POS. 4 battleships can kill one in a few hours for a 2 mil fee, and you can't mount any decent defense. Go medium and preferably faction, you should be able to get a faction medium for less than the freighter I know you have. If there are least two real life players using the POS regularly, you can afford a large (but maybe not faction large, several bil those are) Keep all your BPOs in station. I do everything else at the POS, including manufacturing now that PG and CPU levels don't matter for fuel. Depending on what you are making, the assembly array will give you a manufacture time bonus and has enough room to be used as a corporate hangar. Find out how much ECM, webbers, dampers, and a few small/med guns you can online if all labs are offline. Anchor twice that amount. Anchor enough hardeners to give yourself a 3/3/2/1 spread with even resists. Train up a POS gunner on every account you have to Starbase Defense Management 4. Fill stront to max or 1d16h to give yourself some extra time. If you are wardecced, empty and unanchor all labs and arrays and leave them in the station. This is a large % of the overall cost whereas defense modules are expendable. I usually use 2/2/1/0 hardeners and mostly ECM. Don't forget the damps though as they are cheap and will cause enemy logi to come closer. Webs and guns are really only useful when manned, they can be used in conjunction to get good hits. Jam out their logi as best you can and try to kill them. Call some friends to help you. Good luck!

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