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Dek'athor
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2011.12.06 09:49:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:
Think about how many people would quit if there was no 24 hour skill queue
Funny thing
Waaay back in the day, there was no skill queue. It was implemented rather late after game launch.
Ppl would put 'the long skill' when offline, and juggle with short skills when logged in. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
430
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Posted - 2011.12.06 09:50:00 -
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saltrock0000 wrote:... would just mean, instead of mindlessly clicking a button i could make a coffee ...
Maybe CCP could make you a machine that automatically drips hot water through coffee grounds and then filters it into a cup.
Tassimo.
Today I lost my common sense,
It slipped away between Amamake and Rens,
I think it happened in highsec,
Using a Brutix to gank a Providence.
-- Flunk |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
430
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Posted - 2011.12.06 09:51:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Any addition that makes playing EVE Online less of a pain in the ass is a good one in my book.
Anyone who disagrees simply doesn't have a life.
How is warping to 15km a pain in the ass. You can still walk away and do whatever you want. Warping to 0km simply means you're a carebear who wants to avoid conflict. DIAF!
Today I lost my common sense,
It slipped away between Amamake and Rens,
I think it happened in highsec,
Using a Brutix to gank a Providence.
-- Flunk |
Shivus Tao
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
100
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Posted - 2011.12.06 09:57:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Valei Khurelem wrote:Any addition that makes playing EVE Online less of a pain in the ass is a good one in my book.
Anyone who disagrees simply doesn't have a life. How is warping to 15km a pain in the ass. You can still walk away and do whatever you want. Warping to 0km simply means you're a carebear who wants to avoid conflict. DIAF!
This. If you weren't up making coffee you'd just be sitting around browsing forums of watching **** while your ship flew automatically. You can still autopilot to make coffee, you'll just go one system instead of three. |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled
The.Alliance
127
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Posted - 2011.12.06 10:05:00 -
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Dek'athor wrote:Karn Dulake wrote:
Think about how many people would quit if there was no 24 hour skill queue
Funny thing Waaay back in the day, there was no skill queue. It was implemented rather late after game launch. Ppl would put 'the long skill' when offline, and juggle with short skills when logged in.
yeah ofc.
people would nibble away at those level Vs when they were away from the game. but there was a lot of setting of alarm clocks in the middle of the night
Something Awful. A beacon for tearful, lonely neckbeards. |
Farrisen
MoaR ChickeN
47
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Posted - 2011.12.06 10:09:00 -
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saltrock0000 wrote:So, with this whole warp and jump feature I was jsut wondering why CCP didnt imoplament the same whilst on autopilot.
I know people will moan and say afk travelings baaaaaad, and that it reduces the change to gank someone, but anyone carrying anything worthwhile surely wouldnt be afk anyway.
The whole warp to 0 and jump button just endorces Macros or bots in my opinion, and being one not to break the EULA I would never do this, hense this thread.
Do you think autopilot should be changed so that it warps to 0 or not?
No
Also: Troll lands a Critical hit for over 9000 Dmg |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1936
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Posted - 2011.12.06 10:09:00 -
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Want the benefit of fast travel? Then pay the price of being at your keyboard.
Want the benefit of being AFK? Then pay the price of slowness and exposure.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Shivus Tao
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
100
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Posted - 2011.12.06 10:15:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:Dek'athor wrote:Karn Dulake wrote:
Think about how many people would quit if there was no 24 hour skill queue
Funny thing Waaay back in the day, there was no skill queue. It was implemented rather late after game launch. Ppl would put 'the long skill' when offline, and juggle with short skills when logged in. yeah ofc. people would nibble away at those level Vs when they were away from the game. but there was a lot of setting of alarm clocks in the middle of the night
Alarm clocks were a personal choice unless you had played since 2003 and had literally only one skill left to train.
I only ever alarm clocked once, and that was only because I had to be awake 30 minutes later anyway. |
Alski
Natural Progression
3
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Posted - 2011.12.06 10:49:00 -
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saltrock0000 wrote::Blegh:
Ya know some of us still have fond memorys of Warp to 15 being the absolute minimum, Eve used to be big.  |
Samillian
Trojan Trolls
Controlled Chaos
44
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Posted - 2011.12.06 10:52:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:Dek'athor wrote:Karn Dulake wrote:
Think about how many people would quit if there was no 24 hour skill queue
Funny thing Waaay back in the day, there was no skill queue. It was implemented rather late after game launch. Ppl would put 'the long skill' when offline, and juggle with short skills when logged in. yeah ofc. people would nibble away at those level Vs when they were away from the game. but there was a lot of setting of alarm clocks in the middle of the night
If you were missing sleep in order to change skill then this game has replaced far to much of your life for comfort, it was much easier just to slap a long skill on and replace it when you got online.
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c4 t
Archangel Investments
1
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Posted - 2011.12.06 11:05:00 -
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this troll thread has really brought about some hilarious responses. after all the above mentioned, this is also a balance issue. high sec wtz autopilot would make suicide ganking more difficult as you could only scan one side of a gate (outgoing only) |
Willy Wanka
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.12.06 11:10:00 -
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saltrock0000 wrote:.... but anyone carrying anything worthwhile surely wouldnt be afk anyway.
My wallet says otherwise... Autopilot warp to 0 would just shield the incompetent/unwary/ignorant/foolish/arrogant/complacent** players from the dark harsh reality which is EvE...
**Delete as applicable.
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RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed
RED.Legion
79
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Posted - 2011.12.06 12:28:00 -
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Eyup Mi'duck wrote:Maybe we could also have a 'run mission' button in the agent window, that allows your toon to complete a mission whilst AFK.
I support this with the caveat that the run mission AI shoot those who steal loot from the mission runner. |
Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2011.12.06 13:47:00 -
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Alski wrote:saltrock0000 wrote::Blegh: Ya know some of us still have fond memorys of Warp to 15 being the absolute minimum, Eve used to be big.
You should ammend that to something like:
Fond memories of warping to 15 in systems you've not visited, then spending 5 to 10 minutes flying 15km past each gate, station and maybe some belts to drop bookmarks at the right location so you never had to warp to 15 in that system again.
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
Petition Blizzard
375
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Posted - 2011.12.06 14:40:00 -
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I think it's important that a game like Eve do things to reward players who actually pay attention to the game. Autopiloting SHOULD take longer than manual control, if for no other reason than to penalize people who want to start something and walk away from the computer.
I feel like people are forgetting that this is a GAME. You're supposed to PLAY a game, not set up a mechanism by which the game plays itself for you. It's like people want to play chess by setting up their computer to stand in for them. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
74
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Posted - 2011.12.06 15:11:00 -
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Hauling is a profession. There should never be a (legal) way to efficiently* automate any EVE profession.
AFK mission running is very inefficient.
AFK mining can be inefficient.
AFK exploring.... is impossible.
AFK hauling should be (and currently is) inefficient.
*Compared to actively. |
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
2
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Posted - 2011.12.06 17:36:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:saltrock0000 wrote:... would just mean, instead of mindlessly clicking a button i could make a coffee ... Maybe CCP could make you a machine that automatically drips hot water through coffee grounds and then filters it into a cup. Tassimo.
I feel lucky CCP has no jurisdiction on how I can fly a business jet. I can therefore activate the auto-pilot.... and assist the flight attendant in doing the coffee  ...
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Gorepig
Quebec Criminals Association
Mayhem.
0
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Posted - 2012.01.28 15:37:00 -
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Zifrian wrote:saltrock0000 wrote:It is strange actualy, why people would not want something to make thier lifes easier. But hey i guess thats thier choice
*CCP can you patch my client to have warp to 0 AP then pleaase* Because it makes the game less 'real'. Pick any mmo, do you want an auto run feature to get you everywhere? Why have travel at all then? Just make everyone able to insta-jump to any system or location. I mean, it makes my life so much easier after all.
yeah right more real???look i have a 2 billion ship and my crew cannot set a ******* jump to 0 km what kind of idiots are they? |
Disdaine
234
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Posted - 2012.01.28 16:09:00 -
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People don't like it when you talk about taking away any advantage they gain by using hacks. |
Ares Kesar
Perkone
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.19 00:32:00 -
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How is watching your ship on autopilot for 4 hours playing a game ? I could be doing something more worthwhile in that time. OR the damn autopilot could remember the route the next time and set the warp to those gates to 0. Or if the people at CCP are feeling a little more sadistic, they could give us the option of making bookmarks and chaining them together for the autopilot to follow. And wouldn't it make sense ? That when you visit the same gate the second time you know where to park your ship ?
God! I hate the ignorance of people who can only think of satisfying their pride. |
MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
141
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Posted - 2012.02.19 01:22:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Want the benefit of fast travel? Then pay the price of being at your keyboard.
Want the benefit of being AFK? Then pay the price of slowness and exposure.
^^ This is THE point. You want to change the game mechanic out of laziness and nothing else. Even I will admit there would be times where a WTZ autopilot out be wonderful (flying a Fenrir comes to mind) but if it were permitted it would just promote more laziness. Ships like the Tornado are good for dealing with people not wanting to be at the keyboard, and even I think those are overpowered.
Recently someone got popped with 15 PLEX in their cargo in an unarmored industrial because they were on autopilot and all I can say is 'too bad, so sad'. You were lazy and you just lost your cargo. You want to be 'safe'? Stay at the keyboard.
Buff Hybrid Guns!!!! |
Sprite Can
39
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Posted - 2012.02.19 01:29:00 -
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saltrock0000 wrote:
I know people will moan and say afk travelings baaaaaad, and that it reduces the change to gank someone, but anyone carrying anything worthwhile surely wouldnt be afk anyway.
That's where your wrong.
Refreshing Lemon-Lime~ |
second Tolate
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.02.19 01:32:00 -
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if your afk what do you care if it takes 10min or 20min, you're not there |
Valentyn3
22
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Posted - 2012.02.19 01:33:00 -
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Gorepig wrote:Zifrian wrote:saltrock0000 wrote:It is strange actualy, why people would not want something to make thier lifes easier. But hey i guess thats thier choice
*CCP can you patch my client to have warp to 0 AP then pleaase* Because it makes the game less 'real'. Pick any mmo, do you want an auto run feature to get you everywhere? Why have travel at all then? Just make everyone able to insta-jump to any system or location. I mean, it makes my life so much easier after all. yeah right more real???look i have a 2 billion ship and my crew cannot set a ******* jump to 0 km what kind of idiots are they?
To be fair you pay them nothing and they don't get fancy escape pods either. Be happy they don't shank you in your sleep.
I used to be a Blade Runner like you, then I took an android to the knee... |
JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration
Lone Star Partners
35
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Posted - 2012.02.19 02:39:00 -
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Little known Eve-lore fact: submarines in space are a side effect of your ship's warp core.
You'll find it right there somewhere in the lore-wiki. |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.02.19 02:48:00 -
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Warping to zero on autopilot doesn't bother me because it would prevent ganking. I'll gank you anyway on the other side of the gate. It bothers me because it just another way to avoid actually playing Eve Online. Same reason I dislike empire miners. |
Castor Narcissus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.19 02:57:00 -
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Disdaine wrote:People don't like it when you talk about taking away any advantage they gain by using hacks.
It ain't hacks! It's python injection! :D |
Cletus Graeme
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
12
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Posted - 2012.02.19 03:04:00 -
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As long as 90% of EvE PvP occurs around gates CCP will never allow people to effectively avoid it while AFK using AP.
Perhaps one day when we can "pull people out of warp" we can finally get warp to zero on AP.
Travelling via gates in EvE is one of the most mind-numbingly boring time wasters in the game - it could use some attention to make it more interesting (dangerous is good too!)
Having said that, the latest trend to use destroyers to suicide gank afkers on AP in hisec is recent proof that the game mechanics are constantly evolving - even if they sometimes became lamer
OT: I wonder if CCP anticipated that their changes to Destroyers would make suicide ganking easier and more profitable? |
Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
338
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Posted - 2012.02.19 03:14:00 -
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We did not always have warp-to-0km in EVE. Originally, the closest you could warp to any destination was 15km away. Players eventually figured out that they could get around this by placing a bookmark 15km behind the object they are warping to, and then warp to that bookmark. These bookmarks were called "instas". Instas gave players a significant advantage in the game, especially in null and low sec. They allowed you to move quickly and safely (as you would no longer have to worry about solo/small gang gate camps which depended upon catching players 15km off the gate). Thus instas soon became a requirement for survival in low sec and null sec.
Now the problem with instas is that in order to be able to warp to any celestial, from any celestial at 0km, you need to have n * (n-1) instas, where n is the number of celestials in a system. Now if you consider that you can copy bookmarks, you will realize that sets of instas were bought and sold on the old escrow system (contracts didn't exist yet). So what you had were a large number of players sitting in Jita copying thousands of bookmarks each constantly.
To put it bluntly, the lag was unbearable. Bookmarks occupied over 80% of the database. If you DARED to open your "people and places" window, you would be lagged for several minutes. Some people report being lagged out for 20 minutes or longer. Jita lag caused horrendous module lag for a system where no combat occurs - 30 seconds at least on the best of days. Usually 2-3 minutes. Basically the lag got so bad, that CCP made a call to arms - they came to the players and asked them for player suggestions to solve the insta problem. The solution that was decided on was to simply make warp-to-0km an official game mechanic.
However, CCP limited this functionality by prohibiting the use of auto-pilot with warp-to-0km. THey felt that this would allow players to travel through lowsec with 100% immunity, and not give "at the keyboard" players any advantage over AFK players.
This is the reason why AFK warp-to-0km will never come into the game - warp-to-0km was only introduced because players found a way to do it on their own and it was killing the server. But players could only do it if they were at their keyboard. CCP didn't actually want warp-to-0km, so they only did the minimal amount of changes needed to solve the problem of insta bookmarks. |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.02.19 03:19:00 -
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Taedrin wrote:... Stuff About Instas...
And a great way for newbies to scam died... ah memories. |
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