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Warloxx Dominus Imperium 0	Posted - 2015.05.20 16:42:03 - [1] - Quote With all the seemly large amount of complainers on the forums about how poorly CCP has handled Eve development, what would you suggest the next steps that need to be done to start bringing in new Subs?
Paranoid Loyd 5245	Posted - 2015.05.20 16:46:14 - [2] - Quote Ponies, possibly Unicorns. A Panda or two couldn't hurt either. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 3947	Posted - 2015.05.20 16:48:05 - [3] - Quote A mobile app!!! Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Warloxx Dominus Imperium 0	Posted - 2015.05.20 16:57:51 - [4] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Ponies, possibly Unicorns. A Panda or two couldn't hurt either. Very well thought out and constructive.
DaReaper Net 7 2072	Posted - 2015.05.20 16:58:55 - [5] - Quote Warloxx wrote: With all the seemly large amount of complainers on the forums about how poorly CCP has handled Eve development, what would you suggest the next steps that need to be done to start bringing in new Subs? They need to keep doing what they are doing, which is repair old and underused or incomplete systems, before they expand eve. They might take some hit sin subs, but they need to rebuild the foundation. Example: 1) POS' (being addressed slowly) 2) Sov (being addressed) 3) Corp and alliance interface and roles (being addressed) 4) remove or adjust stocks 5) revamp or add new mining content 6) repair PI (its an incomplete system) 7) adjust t2 moon goo (personally this needs to become active mining not passive) 8) adjust capitals 9) Finish Dogma and BIAB 10) with 9, keep improving back end to fix performance issues 11) Finish or remove WiS (yes it needs ot be addressed damn it, makes eve feel incomplete) There are more, but foundation must be fixed, then what CCP should do is focus on the eve unverse and create New Eden. As in, all ccp products tied together for ease of use. On one plat form (anything that will be linked or add to eve MUST be on pc so the eve players cna support the new bros.) They also should bring out stand alone, easy to play and use products, like the eve offline arcade game, prjoect nemisis, etc. Things related to the eve universe but can be stand alone. Valk and legion/dust shoudl all link and work together with eve, this will enable future competition to have issues. CCP as a company should eventually relook at WoD. But it should not be a focus. Repair old stuff, expand eve, expand new eden, add new easy to make stand alone games for a rev boost, then look at your other ip's once New Eden is stable. Finally, be making an EVE v. 2 which is a complete rewrite. but i would of started that ages ago. My .02 isk. though alot of this is not nesscarily what they need to do, just what i;'d liek to see. (fix foundation and expand is what needs ot happen, slow expantion) OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
DaReaper Net 7 2072	Posted - 2015.05.20 17:00:37 - [6] - Quote Gully Alex Foyle wrote: A mobile app!!! twice they tried this, twice it failed. once in 06 university of Iceland students were making a blackberry/iphone app. They then graduated and project went pissh then in 2013, before they retooled to 'all new eden on pc' which i think they are retooling again. CCP need sot pick a direction and stick with it lol OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 21416	Posted - 2015.05.20 17:08:57 - [7] - Quote CCP should focus on the starter space forest full of space boars that you may hunt in complete safety, as well as a new space island full of a new wonderous alien panda race, new ships that look like winged robot unicorn zebras that have rainbow sparkle cannons as weapons.. and shoulder fedos. But they should definitely focus ont eh shoulder fedos first. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
admiral root Red Galaxy 2746	Posted - 2015.05.20 17:11:09 - [8] - Quote The game has Angels, but no angel cake. This imbalance needs to be their top priority. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. A recent survey of applicants to CODE. corporations showed that 100% accepted James 315 as their saviour. You can't argue with facts.
Warloxx Dominus Imperium 0	Posted - 2015.05.20 17:12:17 - [9] - Quote I never felt like they did enough over the years for small corps, not all players want to be in Large alliance's and become a number. From the changes they have made over the years to cater to the Large block alliances it has made it impossible for smaller corporations to get a foothold nearly anywhere, but that is just my opinion. POS's were suppose to be the stepping stone for those small corps to eventually grow in null, but now with the types of blobs the large alliances can plop down in your front lawn it is simply a very minor road bump.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 8605	Posted - 2015.05.20 17:15:02 - [10] - Quote Warloxx wrote: With all the seemly large amount of complainers on the forums about how poorly CCP has handled Eve development, what would you suggest the next steps that need to be done to start bringing in new Subs? They need to focus on anything else than the seemingly large amount of complainers on the forums. No faster way to ruin something than giving people what they think they want rather than what they actually want. Give players chunky spaghetti sauce. It's what they actually want. Not what they think they want. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Chance Ravinne WiNGSPAN Delivery Services 242	Posted - 2015.05.20 17:23:01 - [11] - Quote To get NEW players, a few things: 1. NPE, this is obvious. While the NPE is better than it's ever been, it is still clunky and onerous. 2. Cut the crap, stuff like attributes that serve little purpose but confuse newbies should be replaced with more meaningful decision making. 3. Dispel myths, there are a lot of myths out there that say it's too late to start Eve or it's only composed of sociopaths. More PR and Real Stories of Eve to demonstrate what productive Eve gameplay is really like. 4. Brand champions, or KOLs/social influencers. Basically people like me, say Youtubers, except ones with sizeable fanbases and name recognition. If I can get thousands of people to try Eve, I can't imagine what someone like Husky or Day9 could accomplish. I'd imagine tens or even hundreds of thousands. 5. Dust/Legion/Valkyrie, for obvious brand and universe building reasons, and as a differentiating point again the competition. You've just read another awesome post by Chance Ravinne, CEO of EVE's #1 torpedo delivery service. Watch our misadventures on my YouTube channel: WINGSPANTT
Warloxx Dominus Imperium 0	Posted - 2015.05.20 17:34:41 - [12] - Quote Chance Ravinne wrote: To get NEW players, a few things: 1. NPE, this is obvious. While the NPE is better than it's ever been, it is still clunky and onerous. 2. Cut the crap, stuff like attributes that serve little purpose but confuse newbies should be replaced with more meaningful decision making. 3. Dispel myths, there are a lot of myths out there that say it's too late to start Eve or it's only composed of sociopaths. More PR and Real Stories of Eve to demonstrate what productive Eve gameplay is really like. 4. Brand champions, or KOLs/social influencers. Basically people like me, say Youtubers, except ones with sizeable fanbases and name recognition. If I can get thousands of people to try Eve, I can't imagine what someone like Husky or Day9 could accomplish. I'd imagine tens or even hundreds of thousands. 5. Dust/Legion/Valkyrie, for obvious brand and universe building reasons, and as a differentiating point again the competition. Couldn't agree more with the NPE and the myth's of "it's to late" need to be addressed badly, I have read many stories on other forums of players saying they had no idea what to do after they drop you off with no 'theme park' to follow. Which is sad because of they way MMO's are today with the hand holding until max level. I have picked up alot of new players in this game and have had to give them direction on which skills to train and and they never had issues with keeping up with the fleets, but that part is also on the new players themselves to seek out that help from players corps and get out of the NPC corps they never leave.
Big Lynx 1414	Posted - 2015.05.20 17:42:52 - [13] - Quote Super Star Destroyers and Deathstars. Restricted one piece per alliance. The ultimate weapon.
Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 8536	Posted - 2015.05.20 17:51:10 - [14] - Quote Let them first do the new map right, there are still issues. Scanning must be smooth. For a future let them implement avatar gameplay. They had prototype. Exploration in structures. Custom ship skins \| Since 2014 \| Character creator style "repaint" \| Bring back the dream
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 401	Posted - 2015.05.20 18:19:12 - [15] - Quote I think CCP is on the right track, 00, Structures, Backend-Performance, ... and the feedback loop works. I'm my own NPC alt.
Eve Solecist Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD 3086	Posted - 2015.05.20 18:26:21 - [16] - Quote How to turn the mess that is called New Player Experience ... ... into a social contruct that works out of itself. Freedom is Slavery ISD Ezwal > And then Ezwal comes along and takes all that space(s) away. <===== I wished my bra was green as well - 1024x1024
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6656	Posted - 2015.05.20 18:34:09 - [17] - Quote Cake Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Lutz State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.05.20 19:10:06 - [18] - Quote I think devs focus way too much on tweaking/updating what's already in EVE and too little on adding new cool stuff. New icons or ships or skins, even substantial changes to sov, are basically only tweaking an aspect of the game or barely more than that. Ofc a mmo needs that and regularly and I think EVE is doing it admiringly. But it also needs brand new stuff, it needs something outside the eve box. While being very careful to not change the spirit of the game ofc, that would be catastrophic...but Nordgren seems to understand that well, so time to experiment a bit more IMHO. And time to bring Dust, Legion, whatever it's called, to the master race. You could make it open, make dev tools available and modders will turn it into the best fps for you, once you include their work in the game, maybe with recurring competitions w/ prizes.
Jade Blackwind Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 536	Posted - 2015.05.20 19:28:05 - [19] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Ponies, possibly Unicorns. A Panda or two couldn't hurt either. Perhaps, a secret cow level? Just imagine a level IV Burner mission filled with Battle Badgers in Thukker Tribe camo (with burner AI), all scrambling and webbing you while frantically broadcasting a garbled string of "Moo! moooo! MOO MOO MOO! Moooooooooo!!!" in drunk Icelandic voices.
DaReaper Net 7 2074	Posted - 2015.05.20 19:39:47 - [20] - Quote Lutz wrote: I think devs focus way too much on tweaking/updating what's already in EVE and too little on adding new cool stuff. New icons or ships or skins, even substantial changes to sov, are basically only tweaking an aspect of the game or barely more than that. Ofc a mmo needs that and regularly and I think EVE is doing it admiringly. But it also needs brand new stuff, it needs something outside the eve box. While being very careful to not change the spirit of the game ofc, that would be catastrophic...but Nordgren seems to understand that well, so time to experiment a bit more IMHO. And time to bring Dust, Legion, whatever it's called, to the master race. You could make it open, make dev tools available and modders will turn it into the best fps for you, once you include their work in the game, maybe with recurring competitions w/ prizes. you were not here before the summer of rage i take it? CCP adding new stuff will not help eve. Because the old stuff being left to roit is what will kill eve. This was eve before the summer of rage: 2003: ok guys this is our new house! it might be small now, but we will make improvements over time, come on over and hang out. 2011: Guys we just installed a second story! Whats that? yea i know the walls are sagging, i know the floor is a mess with holes, i know the kitchen remodle is not finished, i know the basement is not finished, i know the yard is not finished, but guys this second story is shiney! We will add more to... no we will then go for a thrid story! (house fals) Any new stuff being added right now, is just like adding a second story on a house that has a sub par about to fall apart first story. it doenslt add to the valus eof the game, and will quickly see the issues. becuase it has to be built on what was there before. CCP MUST finish fixing the old issues before they can expand. And for some issues, like pos' its been 10 years since that feature was addressed. Let that sink in. So no, adding new stuff before old is repaired is bad, OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Lost Greybeard Drunken Yordles 639	Posted - 2015.05.20 20:15:47 - [21] - Quote Large amount of complainers? There are, what, a couple hundred people that are even minimally active on the forums in a given month, out of a peak-time population on the order of 20 to 30k? Even if every single one of us was doing nothing but whinging, that wouldn't mean much, man.
DaReaper Net 7 2076	Posted - 2015.05.20 20:41:59 - [22] - Quote doing what people complain about will cause more complaints, see people whining about 'force projection' then immediately going 'OH GODS NO CCP DON;T NERF MY JUMP DRIVE I DID NOT MEAN IT!' when phoebe fix was announced OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Oracle of Machina Brave Provisions Brave Collective 12	Posted - 2015.05.20 21:03:46 - [23] - Quote New player experience. There is a great phrase I keep hearing from people. "Wow, this game looks amazing, but I'd never play it, it's too hard to get into."
Lutz State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.05.20 23:32:43 - [24] - Quote DaReaper wrote: Lutz wrote: I think devs focus way too much on tweaking/updating what's already in EVE and too little on adding new cool stuff. New icons or ships or skins, even substantial changes to sov, are basically only tweaking an aspect of the game or barely more than that. Ofc a mmo needs that and regularly and I think EVE is doing it admiringly. But it also needs brand new stuff, it needs something outside the eve box. While being very careful to not change the spirit of the game ofc, that would be catastrophic...but Nordgren seems to understand that well, so time to experiment a bit more IMHO. And time to bring Dust, Legion, whatever it's called, to the master race. You could make it open, make dev tools available and modders will turn it into the best fps for you, once you include their work in the game, maybe with recurring competitions w/ prizes. you were not here before the summer of rage i take it? CCP adding new stuff will not help eve. Because the old stuff being left to roit is what will kill eve. This was eve before the summer of rage: 2003: ok guys this is our new house! it might be small now, but we will make improvements over time, come on over and hang out. 2011: Guys we just installed a second story! Whats that? yea i know the walls are sagging, i know the floor is a mess with holes, i know the kitchen remodle is not finished, i know the basement is not finished, i know the yard is not finished, but guys this second story is shiney! We will add more to... no we will then go for a thrid story! (house fals) Any new stuff being added right now, is just like adding a second story on a house that has a sub par about to fall apart first story. it doenslt add to the valus eof the game, and will quickly see the issues. becuase it has to be built on what was there before. CCP MUST finish fixing the old issues before they can expand. And for some issues, like pos' its been 10 years since that feature was addressed. Let that sink in. So no, adding new stuff before old is repaired is bad, The game is 12 years old, it's been "fixed", done, tweaked, re-tweaked, changed and re-changed several times over. If something hasnt been fixed yet for you, they either are unable to or it's just not gonna happen if not by sheer luck. Usually MMOs are never "fixed" for the entire player base anyways, since changes usually please one and displease the other, I'm afraid it's just a case of "deal with it". And actually, I think, CCP's willingness to listen and address all the players' bitching is probably what's keeping EVE in a stalemate. It's kinda CCP weakness and strength at the same time, it keep its current players happy (mostly) but also keeps the game stagnant since, alas, players arent game designers. I guess I won't be all that popular after saying that, OH WELL. I don't think that an attempt gone wrong to add something new should preclude other attempts to add cool stuff to the game. And nope, I wasnt thinking of walking with the avatar in stations, clothes or other stuff like that, the game is clearly about internet spaceships, which is what I said about not changing the spirit of the game above. I just hope it moves forward though.
beakerax Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 95	Posted - 2015.05.20 23:46:50 - [25] - Quote Lutz wrote: The game is 12 years old, it's been "fixed", done, tweaked, re-tweaked, changed and re-changed several times over. If something hasnt been fixed yet for you, they either are unable to or it's just not gonna happen if not by sheer luck. Portions of Eve's code are, at this point, just creaking along. Some parts, like the POS code, are essentially unmaintainable. The devs are putting a lot of effort into redesigning and rewriting it from scratch in order to have a stable foundation to work from. It isn't true that everything has been "re-changed several times over" at this point. As for the OP, CCP should focus on the middle distance and take deep breaths.
Shederov Blood Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 1601	Posted - 2015.05.21 00:24:38 - [26] - Quote Harsher penalties for criminals. Quicker CONCORD responses. More HP for industrials, barges and freighters. Better pay for missions and incursions. Higher war-dec fees. Who put the goat in there?
Hal Morsh Aliastra Gallente Federation 314	Posted - 2015.05.21 00:28:03 - [27] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: They need to focus on anything else than the seemingly large amount of complainers on the forums. No faster way to ruin something than giving people what they think they want rather than what they actually want. Mr Epeen All the yes. CCP needs to pin this on the wall in case they ever forget. Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
stoicfaux 5648	Posted - 2015.05.21 00:28:31 - [28] - Quote Exotic Strippers... but in 3D! Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
stoicfaux 5648	Posted - 2015.05.21 00:33:43 - [29] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: No faster way to ruin something than giving people what they think they want rather than what they actually want. Actually, there is a faster way: "Don't give us what we actually don't want." (i.e. Incarna.) /no_pressure_ccp Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Solecist Project Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD 25109	Posted - 2015.05.21 00:45:20 - [30] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: Exotic Strippers... but in 3D! I can help with that ... ? Alwo welcome back stoicfaux ! I still don't know how to pronounce your name. ^_^ Brüste.
Solecist Project Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD 25109	Posted - 2015.05.21 00:50:13 - [31] - Quote Oracle of Machina wrote: New player experience. There is a great phrase I keep hearing from people. "Wow, this game looks amazing, but I'd never play it, it's too hard to get into." This is completely meaningless ... ... as it does not actually express the problems people had. Besides ... there is no such thing as "too hard" ... ... there's only "haven't tried hard enough". Everyone can learn everything out there, given time and effort. That or he's simply too stupid. Considering that there are tens of thousands of people playing ... ... I can guarantee you that the issue is not the game ............ Brüste.
stoicfaux 5650	Posted - 2015.05.21 00:55:12 - [32] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: stoicfaux wrote: Exotic Strippers... but in 3D! I can help with that ... ? Alwo welcome back stoicfaux ! I still don't know how to pronounce your name. ^_^ a) Yes, yes you can. b) I didn't leave, I've just been lurking due to Room With No Ceiling issues. c) "st+ìik f+ì" Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
admiral root Red Galaxy 2747	Posted - 2015.05.21 00:58:51 - [33] - Quote Shederov Blood wrote: Harsher penalties for criminals. Quicker CONCORD responses. More HP for industrials, barges and freighters. Better pay for missions and incursions. Higher war-dec fees. I think you've mistaken this for the one-line bad ideas thread, which you'll find in F&I. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. A recent survey of applicants to CODE. corporations showed that 100% accepted James 315 as their saviour. You can't argue with facts.
Solecist Project Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD 25109	Posted - 2015.05.21 01:07:27 - [34] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: Solecist Project wrote: stoicfaux wrote: Exotic Strippers... but in 3D! I can help with that ... ? Alwo welcome back stoicfaux ! I still don't know how to pronounce your name. ^_^ a) Yes, yes you can. b) I didn't leave, I've just been lurking due to Room With No Ceiling issues. c) "st+ìik f+ì" You were homeless ?? O: I can do 3D. Can you pay ? ^_^ Brüste.
Harrison Tato Yamato Holdings 360	Posted - 2015.05.21 01:12:49 - [35] - Quote Spirit Animals.
Xercodo Xovoni Directorate 4192	Posted - 2015.05.21 08:48:35 - [36] - Quote DaReaper wrote: 1) POS' (being addressed slowly) 2) Sov (being addressed) 3) Corp and alliance interface and roles (being addressed) 4) remove or adjust stocks 5) revamp or add new mining content 6) repair PI (its an incomplete system) 7) adjust t2 moon goo (personally this needs to become active mining not passive) 8) adjust capitals 9) Finish Dogma and BIAB 10) with 9, keep improving back end to fix performance issues 11) Finish or remove WiS (yes it needs ot be addressed damn it, makes eve feel incomplete) Yup, these, as well as: - solidify the interaction between DUST/Legion and EVE - WiS, yes seriously. But meaningful to use - It was mentioned to add more to NPE, so yes ALL OF DAT - Proper skins in two ways: 1) The faction based skins be SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper and be LP based. 2) Full blown player customization like was shown Fanfest 2014 but let tit cost about as much as the skin do now, maybe a little more. - One thing I'd REALLY love for them to do is to let the NPC priates have more precedence in our lives . I wanna mission for them, but it's not really worth it. Once anyone figures out I'm doing it they'll just bubble the station. And on top of that repairing faction standing is a ***** and a half, and CONCORD standing cant be repaired at all, ever. I want pirate FW and I want it to be part of lowsec too. Or maybe change the minimum bubble anchor range on stations so it's not a problem to do null missions? I dunno. Make more epic arcs, do more COSMOS missions, that sorta stuff. Always the flirt Solecist, all bark, you are :P The Drake is a Lie
Delt0r Garsk Shits N Giggles 358	Posted - 2015.05.21 09:57:53 - [37] - Quote Black Jack and Hookers! More seriously, TiDi. I wouldn't care if they worked on nothing else for a whole year. Problem is that it would probably take 2 years to fix. Death and Glory! Well fun is also good.
Scarlett Anstian An My Space Monkey Protectorate 26	Posted - 2015.05.21 10:43:35 - [38] - Quote CCP needs to work on Walking in Stations, in its current capacity its pretty much redundant. I know this is a game about spaceships but iI joined in 2011 because of Incarna and the ideas they had for the future. Player run bars, clubs and shops would just be fantastic and would really help diversify the tedious nature of high sec pve and mining. As much as people may complain the new avatars are here to stay and right now it just feels like a front for the NEX Store. There are other games coming out which will have avatars walking around in stations AND spaceship combat. If EVE Online is going to stay the top dog for space its got to follow through on those great ideas and implement them to the best of their ability.
corebloodbrothers Volition Cult The Volition Cult 1229	Posted - 2015.05.21 11:21:50 - [39] - Quote Warloxx wrote: I never felt like they did enough over the years for small corps, not all players want to be in Large alliance's and become a number. From the changes they have made over the years to cater to the Large block alliances it has made it impossible for smaller corporations to get a foothold nearly anywhere, but that is just my opinion. POS's were suppose to be the stepping stone for those small corps to eventually grow in null, but now with the types of blobs the large alliances can plop down in your front lawn it is simply a very minor road bump. With your questions in mind, how do you see fozzie sov and the new structures as an answer to both these themes? Personally i feel both are a way of adressing those, individual industrial structures wiht higher efficiency rate then the noc or player owned station will be a reality. With fozzie smal laliances can ninja sov
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 2409	Posted - 2015.05.21 11:41:39 - [40] - Quote A large, well advertised PVE based expansion like apocrypha or incursion.
Delt0r Garsk Shits N Giggles 359	Posted - 2015.05.21 12:32:13 - [41] - Quote Scarlett Anstian wrote: CCP needs to work on Walking in Stations, in its current capacity its pretty much redundant. I know this is a game about spaceships but iI joined in 2011 because of Incarna and the ideas they had for the future. Player run bars, clubs and shops would just be fantastic and would really help diversify the tedious nature of high sec pve and mining. As much as people may complain the new avatars are here to stay and right now it just feels like a front for the NEX Store. There are other games coming out which will have avatars walking around in stations AND spaceship combat. If EVE Online is going to stay the top dog for space its got to follow through on those great ideas and implement them to the best of their ability. I do believe star citizen is for you. Or second life. Is that still a thing? Second life? Oh and eve never was top dog. But it has staying power because of space ships. Not space toilets! Death and Glory! Well fun is also good.
Zel Juk Dutch East Querious Company Phoebe Freeport Republic 6	Posted - 2015.05.21 13:13:02 - [42] - Quote CCP need to keep doing what they're doing. They're updating and fixing the core mechanics of the game as well as expanding on them, all the while adding even more content to the game (shattered WH, Thera, T3, Drifters). Once they've eliminated the structure grind from 0.0 they can focus on sorting something else out, like mining mechanics or WiS.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 11072	Posted - 2015.05.21 13:39:47 - [43] - Quote Scarlett Anstian wrote: CCP needs to work on Walking in Stations, in its current capacity its pretty much redundant. I know this is a game about spaceships but iI joined in 2011 because of Incarna and the ideas they had for the future. Player run bars, clubs and shops would just be fantastic and would really help diversify the tedious nature of high sec pve and mining. You know what really helps diversify the tedious nature of high sec pve and mining? Experiencing the other 86.5% of EVE space that isn't High Sec. As for WiS wishing (WiShing? lol), I will never understand the concept of asking a company to pull back (even if just a little) on doing what they do very well (spaceships and spaceship gameplay) so they can spend time on something that they have proven time and time again they are not good at doing (ie anything that is not spaceships and spaceship gameplay). Everything CCP has done that involved legs (Incarna, DUST, the way Legion isn't even mentioned anymore) has been disappointing at best. How many times does a company have to do something badly before people say "ok dudes, nevermind, just do what you know best"?
Brant Tivianne Reckless-Endangerment The CORVOS 0	Posted - 2015.05.21 14:05:59 - [44] - Quote Perhaps not something they should focus on next, but I do think an upgrade to WiS will help with the new player experience. Having only been playing for a few years, WiS has always been there for my experience of EVE. As a wide-eyed newbro, the experience of sitting on the WiS couch, realizing I could click on the TV screen and see updates in real time of different happenings around New Eden, really helped flesh out the universe. As much as this is a game about spaceships, having the human element in it, it's something new players can identify with a little easier and helps the atmosphere. It's something a new player wants more of, then they get shut down when they try to use the door. ------------- Break ----------------- Now I'd like to recommend something I know is probably not possible, but I can dream right? One of the things that I used to do as a new player is try to visualize just how BIG the ships are. I would use the little lights on them to help visualize it by picturing they were all windows. I would zoom in as much as possible to change my perspective while cruising around and it helped some, but unfortunately, the ship models can be only so-detailed. When we are in a station in the ship view, can we get tiny little maintenance craft and crews to come out and pretend-work on our ships? Something, anything to give us a better sense of scale? The ships in EVE just don't seem BIG like they should. We need more visual cues to show it.
Delt0r Garsk Shits N Giggles 360	Posted - 2015.05.21 14:11:04 - [45] - Quote Brant Tivianne wrote: When we are in a station in the ship view, can we get tiny little maintenance craft and crews to come out and pretend-work on our ships? Something, anything to give us a better sense of scale? The ships in EVE just don't seem BIG like they should. We need more visual cues to show it. When you fly a cruiser around a dread, and your the same size as the turret, you get a pretty good sense of scale. Death and Glory! Well fun is also good.
Brant Tivianne Reckless-Endangerment The CORVOS 0	Posted - 2015.05.21 14:18:57 - [46] - Quote Delt0r Garsk wrote: Brant Tivianne wrote: When we are in a station in the ship view, can we get tiny little maintenance craft and crews to come out and pretend-work on our ships? Something, anything to give us a better sense of scale? The ships in EVE just don't seem BIG like they should. We need more visual cues to show it. When you fly a cruiser around a dread, and your the same size as the turret, you get a pretty good sense of scale. Exactly! Flying a small ship by a much larger ship definately helps give you an idea of how large the ships actually are and it's those types of visual cues we need more of.
DaReaper Net 7 2081	Posted - 2015.05.21 16:28:32 - [47] - Quote Lutz wrote: DaReaper wrote: Lutz wrote: I think devs focus way too much on tweaking/updating what's already in EVE and too little on adding new cool stuff. New icons or ships or skins, even substantial changes to sov, are basically only tweaking an aspect of the game or barely more than that. Ofc a mmo needs that and regularly and I think EVE is doing it admiringly. But it also needs brand new stuff, it needs something outside the eve box. While being very careful to not change the spirit of the game ofc, that would be catastrophic...but Nordgren seems to understand that well, so time to experiment a bit more IMHO. And time to bring Dust, Legion, whatever it's called, to the master race. You could make it open, make dev tools available and modders will turn it into the best fps for you, once you include their work in the game, maybe with recurring competitions w/ prizes. you were not here before the summer of rage i take it? CCP adding new stuff will not help eve. Because the old stuff being left to roit is what will kill eve. This was eve before the summer of rage: 2003: ok guys this is our new house! it might be small now, but we will make improvements over time, come on over and hang out. 2011: Guys we just installed a second story! Whats that? yea i know the walls are sagging, i know the floor is a mess with holes, i know the kitchen remodle is not finished, i know the basement is not finished, i know the yard is not finished, but guys this second story is shiney! We will add more to... no we will then go for a thrid story! (house fals) Any new stuff being added right now, is just like adding a second story on a house that has a sub par about to fall apart first story. it doenslt add to the valus eof the game, and will quickly see the issues. becuase it has to be built on what was there before. CCP MUST finish fixing the old issues before they can expand. And for some issues, like pos' its been 10 years since that feature was addressed. Let that sink in. So no, adding new stuff before old is repaired is bad, The game is 12 years old, it's been "fixed", done, tweaked, re-tweaked, changed and re-changed several times over. If something hasnt been fixed yet for you, they either are unable to or it's just not gonna happen if not by sheer luck. Usually MMOs are never "fixed" for the entire player base anyways, since changes usually please one and displease the other, I'm afraid it's just a case of "deal with it". Oh noobs are so cute! as said above me, no alot of systems have not been fixed. would you like a list? Alright then.. Dogma is a huge one, this is the system that controls attributes and states, suchs as bounus'thouse 4 alone and effects TIDI POS system has not changed in 10 years. Corp system and roles have not changed in 12 years. (no cosmetic is not a change) The porecurser to BIAB has bene here form day one. BIAB is that replacement thouse 4 alone are huge and intertwined with a boat load of other systems. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Memphis Baas 420	Posted - 2015.05.21 17:17:43 - [48] - Quote Keep doing what they're doing. Personally I don't give a **** anymore.
Xtreem Echelon Research SpaceMonkey's Alliance 291	Posted - 2015.05.21 18:22:05 - [49] - Quote New player experience and decent tv/film advertising
March rabbit Federal Defense Union 1651	Posted - 2015.05.21 18:38:10 - [50] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Ponies, possibly Unicorns. A Panda or two couldn't hurt either. /thread The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Krell Kroenen The Devil's Shadow 254	Posted - 2015.05.21 19:51:36 - [51] - Quote Brant Tivianne wrote: Delt0r Garsk wrote: Brant Tivianne wrote: When we are in a station in the ship view, can we get tiny little maintenance craft and crews to come out and pretend-work on our ships? Something, anything to give us a better sense of scale? The ships in EVE just don't seem BIG like they should. We need more visual cues to show it. When you fly a cruiser around a dread, and your the same size as the turret, you get a pretty good sense of scale. Exactly! Flying a small ship by a much larger ship definately helps give you an idea of how large the ships actually are and it's those types of visual cues we need more of. It might be a fine example of scale but it isn't very awe inspiring when you know that the dreadnought can't do much of anything to the cruiser. shrugs
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 3957	Posted - 2015.05.21 19:56:12 - [52] - Quote DaReaper wrote: The porecurser to BIAB has bene here form day one. BIAB is that replacement What's a biab? Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai 3557	Posted - 2015.05.21 20:07:51 - [53] - Quote Gully Alex Foyle wrote: DaReaper wrote: The porecurser to BIAB has bene here form day one. BIAB is that replacement What's a biab? "Brain in a box". It's an ancilary server which calculates skillpoints and reduces them to a simpler data feed so Tranquility is relieved of some massive calculation tasks each time a player enters space. That should improve the performance during any big battles. 73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 3958	Posted - 2015.05.21 20:09:30 - [54] - Quote Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: Gully Alex Foyle wrote: DaReaper wrote: The porecurser to BIAB has bene here form day one. BIAB is that replacement What's a biab? "Brain in a box". It's an ancilary server which calculates skillpoints and reduces them to a simpler data feed so Tranquility is relieved of some massive calculation tasks each time a player enters space. That should improve the performance during any big battles. Thanks! Aye, read about that, sounds cool. Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Tao Dolcino Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 349	Posted - 2015.05.21 20:11:10 - [55] - Quote Break the big null blobs and make sure that they can never happen anymore. Null space should be a place where smaller entities can thrive, just like worm space. I hope the new sov system will help with that. I would also do something with the "pipes" to access null space. They are much too few and too easy to block. By multiplicating the stargates between low and null, null space would become a much more dynamic environment. Against all imperialism
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai 3557	Posted - 2015.05.21 20:25:43 - [56] - Quote As for the topic of the thread: Everybody does some PvE. 62% of players do mostly PvE. 25% of players do ONLY PvE. PvE content is totally sub-par and fails to allow the kind of content generation which makes EVE PvP so successful, and that translates into shorter tenures and a faster turnout rate for PvE players despite how they are the backbone of the subscriber base. Thus, CCP should focus on wormhole gameplay by adding new wormhole space with new different rewards and mechanics, and this time with the intent of it being colonized. This worked great in 2009 with Apochrypha and certainly the 5% of players who actually play inside of wormholes love that content. Oh excuse me: this thread is NOT about what CCP is actually focusing on, but on what should they focus according to me... According to me, CCP should focus on PvE. But I have the advantage that I'm not going to lose my job no matter how Hilmar Veigar Petursson and Andie Nordgren do theirs. 73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
Memphis Baas 425	Posted - 2015.05.21 21:12:20 - [57] - Quote Delt0r Garsk wrote: When you fly a cruiser around a dread, and your the same size as the turret, you get a pretty good sense of scale. Yeah but they screwed up the "windows" on a lot of the ships; you have some cruisers that have portholes sized as if they were carriers, so that breaks the whole perspective completely. Not to mention the fact that the ship models appear to be the same size because the camera doesn't zoom in to all ships in a universal way. For example, zoom to within 1 m of the surface of the ship, regardless of whether it's a frigate or titan. They'd need much bigger textures for the titans, so I understand that it's a performance issue, but still, the camera controls break perspective too.
Velarra 376	Posted - 2015.05.21 21:15:18 - [58] - Quote Cookies, milk and cake as unique separate market commodities.
Vic Jefferson The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple 302	Posted - 2015.05.21 23:44:12 - [59] - Quote Shederov Blood wrote: Harsher penalties for criminals. Quicker CONCORD responses. More HP for industrials, barges and freighters. Better pay for missions and incursions. Higher war-dec fees. Procurer/Skiff are already some of the most tanky ships in their size class. Change definitely not needed there. Nereus and several others are also capable of fitting insane tanks or more than 4 warp stabs. Industrials as a whole are already questionable, if anything they need to be toned down. Freighters as well are in a good spot - they need to be gankable for the game to work. Missions and Incursions already pay way too much; the fact that they meet or exceed low/null income streams while being in Hi Sec means an emptier low and nullsec. Ship balance really needs to be addressed; there's a lot of work being done on giving better frameworks for getting ships on grid with each other, which is good, but the speed creep meta is really toxic to things being actually fun. Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X
Paranoid Loyd 5304	Posted - 2015.05.21 23:46:27 - [60] - Quote Shederov definitely wins this thread. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Carrie-Anne Moss Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 139	Posted - 2015.05.22 04:06:37 - [61] - Quote I think they should focus on Walking in Stations again.
Pimpinaint Easy Rim Collection RC Sorry We're In Your Space Eh 0	Posted - 2015.05.22 08:05:09 - [62] - Quote I honestly believe that EVE is too big of a project for CCP to take on successfully. It's like giving a handicapped child to a teenage mom who is afflicted with ADD. That being said, I still enjoy the game in a sado-massochistic way. I always end up re-subbing like some love starved stalker.
Iroquoiss Pliskin Hedion University Amarr Empire 694	Posted - 2015.05.22 11:33:44 - [63] - Quote Sov 5.0, then Citadels & the new structure system, then Walking & Interacting with other players in Stations. Yes. // Turret-Equivalent of the Rapid ML Concept // Cruisers Online - [Damage done in PvP by Shiptype]
Memphis Baas 426	Posted - 2015.05.22 13:41:59 - [64] - Quote Pimpinaint Easy wrote: I honestly believe that EVE is too big of a project for CCP to take on successfully. It's like giving a handicapped child to a teenage mom who is afflicted with ADD. First of all, they weren't given EVE, they created EVE. And second, CCP is not a person, they are a business, and businesses can GROW along with their product, in order to manage it no matter how complex it gets. It's actually the whole point of a business. They can "take it on successfully" just fine. If they're acting like a teenager afflicted with ADD (I'm not sure that they are), that's not the fault of the product or its complexity. It's just a reflection of their management and company policies.
Yarda Black Militaris Industries Northern Coalition. 656	Posted - 2015.05.22 14:09:41 - [65] - Quote I don't think there's a large amount of people complaining in general. You notice them because people that are happy aren't complaining. So you only hear them when they're not. I would not call that group big. I'd rather have more people being introduced to EVE than changing things to cater for a wider audience. More advertisement and a discount on subscription price after the trial might go a long way.
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 1241	Posted - 2015.05.22 15:09:12 - [66] - Quote Heavy advertising and a free month or 2. Stop catering to asshats who's mission statement is literally to kill the game. I mean really, there have been CSM's whos doctrine was to destroy Eve. Literally ******* unbelievable. Imagine if your next elected leader had a website that stated they were out to destroy your country. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á
stoicfaux 5664	Posted - 2015.05.22 15:15:36 - [67] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: Heavy advertising and a free month or 2. Stop catering to asshats who's mission statement is literally to kill the game. I mean really, there have been CSM's whos doctrine was to destroy Eve. Literally ******* unbelievable. Imagine if your next elected leader had a website that stated they were out to destroy your country. We had to destroy the MMO to save the MMO? It worked with Star War Galaxies' NGE, no? Sorry, still too soon? Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 633	Posted - 2015.05.22 15:18:13 - [68] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: Imagine if your next elected leader had a website that stated they were out to destroy your country. atleast they telling you the truth instead of lying and destroying it anyway, like current governments EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 11084	Posted - 2015.05.22 16:03:10 - [69] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: Heavy advertising and a free month or 2. Stop catering to asshats who's mission statement is literally to kill the game. I mean really, there have been CSM's whos doctrine was to destroy Eve. Literally ******* unbelievable. Imagine if your next elected leader had a website that stated they were out to destroy your country. That is the stealthiest "Grr Goons" post I have ever seen lol.
Harrison Tato Yamato Holdings 360	Posted - 2015.05.22 16:47:59 - [70] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: Heavy advertising and a free month or 2. Stop catering to asshats who's mission statement is literally to kill the game. I mean really, there have been CSM's whos doctrine was to destroy Eve. Literally ******* unbelievable. Imagine if your next elected leader had a website that stated they were out to destroy your country. I can easily imagine that.
Joey Bags School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 20	Posted - 2015.05.22 17:06:16 - [71] - Quote A marketing department that focuses on gaining new players would be key IMO. ATM it seems to be focused on bringing old players back into the fold (like me). New players brings new money which brings in new hardware and people for software. I think CCP has made some great strides in resolving the worst of the old problems even while reintroducing new problems. The new problems are not game breakers anymore (remember when 60 vs 60 would literally crash the system? I'll take TiDi over that any day). New player experience needs to be addressed in order to retain those new customers. The forums need less policing, they used to be more fun and more people. The locks get put on WAY to frequently and with too little provocation. The other things are getting worked on, but they are not just a few lines of code here. Skins are not even an issue and that seems to be peoples biggest complaint these days. In other words, keep on keeping on CCP.
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 1243	Posted - 2015.05.22 17:18:38 - [72] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Cipher Jones wrote: Heavy advertising and a free month or 2. Stop catering to asshats who's mission statement is literally to kill the game. I mean really, there have been CSM's whos doctrine was to destroy Eve. Literally ******* unbelievable. Imagine if your next elected leader had a website that stated they were out to destroy your country. That is the stealthiest "Grr Goons" post I have ever seen lol. Not at all. It's a GRRR CCP post. Every abusive relationship needs an enabler. Like ours. J/K Maybe. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á
admiral root Red Galaxy 2752	Posted - 2015.05.22 17:30:16 - [73] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: Stop catering to asshats who's mission statement is literally to kill the game. I mean really, there have been CSM's whos doctrine was to destroy Eve. Literally ******* unbelievable. Imagine if your next elected leader had a website that stated they were out to destroy your country. I agree that carebears are bad for the game. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff \| No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that. A recent survey of applicants to CODE. corporations showed that 100% accepted James 315 as their saviour. You can't argue with facts.
evotta Territorial Hanseatic League 1	Posted - 2015.05.22 18:45:08 - [74] - Quote They seem like they have been starting to focus on the right things since they actually started to add more stuff to the game. I'm quite enjoying the effect of these announced changes is having on nullsec players
DaReaper Net 7 2088	Posted - 2015.05.22 19:42:14 - [75] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: I think they should focus on Walking in Stations again. OMG hell just froze over... i ... agree OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
DaReaper Net 7 2088	Posted - 2015.05.22 19:44:08 - [76] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: Heavy advertising and a free month or 2. Stop catering to asshats who's mission statement is literally to kill the game. I mean really, there have been CSM's whos doctrine was to destroy Eve. Literally ***** unbelievable. Imagine if your next elected leader had a website that stated they were out to destroy your country. this would be great.. except for the fact that CSM has zero power what so ever. so the entire CSM could want to kill eve, but unless CCP wants to kill eve, then they can;t do **. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Yuri Ostrovskoy State War Academy Caldari State 13	Posted - 2015.05.22 21:50:23 - [77] - Quote Ego checking the current player base would be a fantastic start frankly.
Prt Scr 569th Freelancers 131	Posted - 2015.05.22 21:54:02 - [78] - Quote they should focus on fixing the damm launcher u+É-¦ssn+¦ p+É¦¥+¦ -ç,u+É+ö -¦ -çnq -Ä+¦+¦os +»,-¦

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