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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2006.11.14 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: Rthor This thread is a punishment for those who try to point out scams. I cannot even read it all and what I read inflicts pain on me.
/me roars with laughter.
This may just become a tagline for me in the future.
Still screwing the dictionary, baby. One long word at a time!
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.14 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Calladen Nimitz
I've known Shar Tegral since beta back in our TTI days. We both went our seperate ways after awhile and found our own niche Shar with the news and other things and me with Archbishop and roleplay.
I'd be remiss if I wasnt completely honest here and say Shar can be a real arse sometimes. There were days in TTI when I wanted to wring his neck (literally) and scream "wtf are you doing!!!". But there were also times when I saw he was dedicated and loyal to his friends. In many ways hes alot like Calladen and Archbishop, a bit eccentric (prob in RL too like I am) but dedicated and honorable.
I also know one thing as a fact. Shar Tegral has never lied to me. Never.
That means alot because Eve is a "game of liars" in many ways. Does that mean I'll invest in Shars project? Probably maybe couldbe. But for reputation he is beyond reproach as far as I'm concerned. Does this mean he couldnt turn around and scam us all? Not at all we are all human who knows. But I've longed believed the content of a mans character will show through eventually. Not necessarily in WHO they play in the game but HOW they play it. Thats just my belief and I know others disagree with it so we wont argue it here.
I will make an offer to Shar if he would like to discuss his business plan with me I will give it a "YES" or "NO" ruling as far as how I see its viability. I will also swear to keep it secret (Shar knows I can keep a secret..... I know where several bodies are buried!!!). Will my "YES" or "NO" help? I dont know and it could be a scam even if I say "YES". I could be taken in too.
But I will offer an impartial look at the plan if Shar wants me to. I also trust EMFI or Omber Zombie to keep things confidential and would recommend a second set of eyes to view the plan in confidence as well. Its just an offer.
Will I invest without viewing it? I probably will just because I know Shar and trust him. In many ways its kind of like making that jump into the next 0.0 system in your $100m apoc not knowing if the 20 ship burn eden gankgang is waiting for you or not. Yet I think the odds are a bit better with this so I'd give it a serious look.
Calladen Nimitz
Doing this would be beneficial. Not by any means conclusive, but it would go a long way.
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Obijameskenobi
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Posted - 2006.11.14 12:48:00 -
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I'm feeling saucy......put me down for 150mill to start with. will transfer the ISk to you tonite when i log on.
You always have to balance risk versus reward, so I am gonna risk it. If it is a scam, then so be it <shrugs shoulders> . If it isnt a scam then ....thats even better.
I make this decision on my own, but have taken into account others comments on this forum.
Cheers
Obi
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Dunpeal
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.11.14 13:44:00 -
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simon meyers said: "As a personal note i tend to write off any isk I give to another player, so any return I get is always a nice and enjoyable experience in Eve's harsh universe almost as enjoyable as the aftermath of a battle whatever the result"
Underlying that, and refrasing yet another person... a man once said: "A man should be able to take any decision in 3 breaths.", i believe in this, and i do so.
Could you please contact me ingame so we can have a little chat? thank you already.
Dunpeal, over and out. Bow down, and i'll make your death even more painfull! At least die with some dignity
Maximum dimensions for signature images are 400w x 120h and 24kb file size. --Jorauk |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2006.11.14 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra Doing this would be beneficial. Not by any means conclusive, but it would go a long way.
Having indulged in self-righteousness in the past I can understand, to some extent, your incessant need to continue commenting again and again. After all I'm sure that in your mind you see yourself as the shining example of the seeker for truth, justice, and photoshop to the rescue way.
However the thing that seems to elude one of us, you I think but it might be me, is who here has the axe to grind. After all repeated posting on this thread by me seems to make some sense however I'm confused why you feel the need to continue and continue. Was I supposed to get your permission first or something? You do seem to think you are the final arbitrator of what is valid or invalid... in your own mind that is.
So let's recap Shin Ra's tune, in case anyone forgets in the next 5 minutes while Shin Ra isn't posting it.
#1 - I'm offering you to join in.
#2 - I'm giving no assurances or security other than my word.
#3 - I'm not disclosing my business plan or methods.
Conventional wisdom would be to not invest in my project in any way shape or form. If I were reviewing this investment opportunity I would pointedly tell you that on the face of it it is a high risk investment. I would not state that this is a scam due to the personage(s) involved nor would I continually try to imply this or impinge upon the personage(s) involved or those who have given testimonials for said personage(s). Once I stated my position I would only continue to restate and harp on my position where specifically challenged or where the information I had has significantly changed.
Otherwise you've taken trying to look out for the little guy over to the witch hunt stage. After all, you've made some sort of deliberation as to the content of my project, and/or me, and nothing I can say or do will change that. Even if I do right by my investors you will say, "So what... he did right this time."
You've done your duty.
Now you are simply trolling.
Still screwing the dictionary, baby. One long word at a time!
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Rthor
Gallente Smugglers Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.14 17:44:00 -
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#4 we are giving you a bird
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2006.11.14 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Rthor #4 we are giving you a bird
This has not influenced my activities in the least mate. My goals are being mate in a nice calm and timely fashion. Just becuase I choose not to display facts to the public at large is only proof of intelligence on my part. (Which is the point to start with.) I think the only real problem here is one of my own: I commonly make the mistake of taking some of you seriously and try to respond in kind. Of course I should exclude the popcorn eaters who add something to liven up the drama... maybe I'll learn one day. Not today but someday.
Still screwing the dictionary, baby. One long word at a time!
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Treelox
Amarr Solar Storm Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.14 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Rthor #4 we are giving you a bird
un called for comment from the popcorn munching gallery --
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Renox
Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.11.14 19:47:00 -
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I have known Shar since the glory days of TTI and have more then once since then put pretty much everything I own into his care. Never once have I been disappointed and always come out a little better then before.
He's as fair a person as I know in this game. He will not scam you out of your money.
TheJay > grrr slow stupid garlic eating surrender monkeys |
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Suvetar
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.11.14 19:53:00 -
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Please remain constructive and respectful when posting here.
Thanks.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.11.15 08:24:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
#1 - I'm offering you to join in.
#2 - I'm giving no assurances or security other than my word.
#3 - I'm not disclosing my business plan or methods.
As long as people know what they are getting themselves into, they should be able to make up their own mind from this point on. I would ask you to put those 3 lines in your first post and in any sell orders thread.
And for the record, I am not some holy truth seeker on the side of justice. I kill and smack people daily in the game. Hell, I've even killed Naph a couple of times. But what I'm saying in these threads is just common sense. I puts pressure on the CEOs, but it is not an attempt at flaming. I save that from Corp + Alliances discussion.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2006.11.15 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra As long as people know what they are getting themselves into, they should be able to make up their own mind from this point on. I would ask you to put those 3 lines in your first post and in any sell orders thread.
This statement I agree with. As an example, I was pretty darned sure that Omnigen PLC was a scam however I bought into it (very lightly) and I've not been upset in the least when it turned out that way. Live, learn, adapt. (Good lord I sound like a Bob alt!)
However for two very clear reasons I am not adjusting my original post. Those three points are clearly defined and stressed in the original. If people can't be arsed to read whatever may come then disaster be on their own danged heads for all I will care. You can scream warnings and reminders at them till you turn blue and there will always be some idiot screaming and crying that he didn't know. (Notice I don't exactly have a high opinion of my fellows do I?)
The second reason is strictly one of wise protocol on these forums. Even if there is a typo that drives me nuttier than a march hare I still do not edit my posts or points. In this forum reading community all you need is to have "edited by" to show up to flame up a whole bunch of rabble rousing. So I've learned to live with typoes and misspeaking in favor of being known for never ever lying.
I am not going to be ho'ing my project to every forum out there. I specifically chose this forum for the fact that the common inhabitant tends to be cannier and savvier then those who visit sales or any other forums. The available isk is greater, for sure, but the people tend to be a bit more critical and objective in equal measure.
Making your bones here is an accomplishment with suitable accolades and acknowledgement. People remember. Be it failure, success, or deceit. People remember. The higher grade the people, the better the memories, and tales, will be.
Still screwing the dictionary, baby. One long word at a time!
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Paper Pusher
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Posted - 2006.11.15 11:42:00 -
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If Shar Tegral has been around since Beta and there are these other "respected" players saying "he" is ok. Why dont they give him the ISK? Your telling me a player thats been around since "beta" dosnt have enough ISK and that none of the people she knows has either? I cant say for sure that the poster is the person that sent me to see this post and claimed to be Shar Tegral , but if they were id be leary. They were telling me that they would "lose money" to stop me from "controlling the market". Either way I cant see how anyone can have played that long and need ISK. Ive played less than a year and all my characters have 1 to 5 billion ISK in thier wallet and another 3 to 5 billion in buy orders.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2006.11.15 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Paper Pusher If Shar Tegral has been around since Beta and there are these other "respected" players saying "he" is ok. Why dont they give him the ISK? Your telling me a player thats been around since "beta" dosnt have enough ISK and that none of the people she knows has either? I cant say for sure that the poster is the person that sent me to see this post and claimed to be Shar Tegral , but if they were id be leary. They were telling me that they would "lose money" to stop me from "controlling the market". Either way I cant see how anyone can have played that long and need ISK. Ive played less than a year and all my characters have 1 to 5 billion ISK in thier wallet and another 3 to 5 billion in buy orders.
I agree with you... reading is dead and should never ever come back in style. However alt trolling forever remains in style.
Still screwing the dictionary, baby. One long word at a time!
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Proton Power
Amarr Power Corrupts Trading Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.15 19:47:00 -
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I am confused, do we invest in this or not lol.
Put me down for 100mil -----------------------------------------------
Keep the Game Rolling. |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2006.11.15 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Proton Power I am confused, do we invest in this or not lol. Put me down for 100mil
If you are unsure I'd say don't. But I'll jot you down, in pencil, for 100M and eve mail you the starter info. Not a whole lot, just investor relations info. And I'd prefer what details you do "find out" you keep on the down low if you will. Again not much but I still prefer a bit of discretion regarding any already involved people.
Still screwing the dictionary, baby. One long word at a time!
Arknox > shar with bad hair day >>> solution = suicide and spawn fresh clone :D |
Proton Power
Amarr Power Corrupts Trading Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.15 23:23:00 -
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Edited by: Proton Power on 15/11/2006 23:24:51
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Proton Power I am confused, do we invest in this or not lol. Put me down for 100mil
If you are unsure I'd say don't. But I'll jot you down, in pencil, for 100M and eve mail you the starter info. Not a whole lot, just investor relations info. And I'd prefer what details you do "find out" you keep on the down low if you will. Again not much but I still prefer a bit of discretion regarding any already involved people.
Edit - No offense Shar, But I am not saying I back this in anyway at all, so please dont see me investing in it and invest in due to me.
Nope, keep me down for 100mil please, and I will keep your plans and info you send me confidential. I am actually very interested in seeing how this turns out tbh, and is really the main reason I am investing in it. -----------------------------------------------
Keep the Game Rolling. |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2006.11.16 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Proton Power Edit - No offense Shar, But I am not saying I back this in anyway at all, so please dont see me investing in it and invest in due to me.
No offense taken at all.
I'm not looking to get vindication or validation from the involvement of various peoples. Some have spoken up for what they have seen of my character and nature, for several years, simple fair testimonials, and I appreciate that. I also appreciate that is all that has been posted.
In many ways I am making the decision, to invest, all about character and integrity as opposed to any potential business acumen. It is not the social experiment I would have chosen but I did kind of luck into this as a fringe benefit.
However I can say my prime motivation is, and will always be on such matters, clear quantifiable profit. My wallet has the "No Social Do-Gooding" sign prominently on display.
Still screwing the dictionary, baby. One long word at a time!
Arknox > shar with bad hair day >>> solution = suicide and spawn fresh clone :D |
Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.16 17:38:00 -
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Have you agreed or refused to submit the business plan to a number of trusted parties to gain approval?
-[23] Member-
Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON! |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2006.11.16 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Have you agreed or refused to submit the business plan to a number of trusted parties to gain approval?
Pointedly, yes but not due to any influence from these forums. I have shared my plans with various people. Some we may have mutual trust in and some that are known here. But only those people whose integrity I do not question and have any reasonable need to know.
However it is not for me to say who I've talked to or who has chosen to invest. Confidentiality, even in the face of adversity, is one of my other well demonstrated qualities.(Pig headedness, sadly, is another one.)
Still screwing the dictionary, baby. One long word at a time!
Arknox > shar with bad hair day >>> solution = suicide and spawn fresh clone :D |
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Omber Zombie
Gallente Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2006.11.17 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Have you agreed or refused to submit the business plan to a number of trusted parties to gain approval?
I've spoken to Shar about his plans for this, and agreed not to disclose the actual plan to the public. On the face of it, it's a good plan (although one that is more than likely to have some spirited competition) and the system he has in place to protect investors should the plan fail is pretty foolproof. What it boils down to is he has the isk to make the plan a reality as it is, the investment would just increase the profit levels, should th eplan not work as intended, he's happy to reimburse investors out of his own pocket. I will also divulge that I am an investor in this. ----------------------
[FTEK] Pwning Eve Carebear Style |
Vix3n
Power Corrupts Trading Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.17 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
As long as people know what they are getting themselves into, they should be able to make up their own mind from this point on. I would ask you to put those 3 lines in your first post and in any sell orders thread.
And for the record, I am not some holy truth seeker on the side of justice. I kill and smack people daily in the game. Hell, I've even killed Naph a couple of times. But what I'm saying in these threads is just common sense. I puts pressure on the CEOs, but it is not an attempt at flaming. I save that from Corp + Alliances discussion.
I'm starting to get the feeling that Shin Ra, at some point, invested in an IPO scam that cost him a detrimental dent in his wallet.
Signed, -- Vixen -- |
Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.17 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Omber Zombie
Originally by: Dark Shikari Have you agreed or refused to submit the business plan to a number of trusted parties to gain approval?
I've spoken to Shar about his plans for this, and agreed not to disclose the actual plan to the public. On the face of it, it's a good plan (although one that is more than likely to have some spirited competition) and the system he has in place to protect investors should the plan fail is pretty foolproof. What it boils down to is he has the isk to make the plan a reality as it is, the investment would just increase the profit levels, should th eplan not work as intended, he's happy to reimburse investors out of his own pocket. I will also divulge that I am an investor in this.
Does it involve something new in Kali, and does it have possibility of catastrophic failure (e.g. Carrier full of equipment getting shot down in 0.0)?
-[23] Member-
Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON! |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2006.11.17 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Vix3n I'm starting to get the feeling that Shin Ra, at some point, invested in an IPO scam that cost him a detrimental dent in his wallet.
Don't think negatively of Shin Ra on this matter. His critical eye is extremely justified in this area of Eve life. Do you think you, yourself, might have avoided this scam if someone like Shin Ra had been very vocal about it? Originally by: Dark Shikari Does it involve something new in Kali, and does it have possibility of catastrophic failure (e.g. Carrier full of equipment getting shot down in 0.0)?
Now that would be telling would it not? ( Don't fault you your efforts at investigating but why haven't you tried the source?)
Still screwing the dictionary, baby. One long word at a time!
Arknox > shar with bad hair day >>> solution = suicide and spawn fresh clone :D |
Vix3n
Power Corrupts Trading Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.18 06:05:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Vix3n I'm starting to get the feeling that Shin Ra, at some point, invested in an IPO scam that cost him a detrimental dent in his wallet.
Don't think negatively of Shin Ra on this matter. His critical eye is extremely justified in this area of Eve life. Do you think you, yourself, might have avoided this scam if someone like Shin Ra had been very vocal about it? Originally by: Dark Shikari Does it involve something new in Kali, and does it have possibility of catastrophic failure (e.g. Carrier full of equipment getting shot down in 0.0)?
Now that would be telling would it not? ( Don't fault you your efforts at investigating but why haven't you tried the source?)
I honestly don't have the capitol or interest in investing in IPO's yet. And I wasn't thinking negative; just being speculative. I enjoy his deconstruction of every IPO and critical analysis on all of them, it humors and enlightens me.
Signed, -- Vixen -- |
Bluespike
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.19 02:09:00 -
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This is the worst attempted scam i've ever seen. Anyone who invests in this is pathetic
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2006.11.19 02:32:00 -
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Originally by: Bluespike This is the worst attempted scam i've ever seen. Anyone who invests in this is pathetic
And you are?
Still screwing the dictionary, baby. One long word at a time!
Arknox > shar with bad hair day >>> solution = suicide and spawn fresh clone :D |
Rthor
Gallente Smugglers Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.20 03:18:00 -
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Somebody should report the name calling.
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Korthan
House of Tempers Kurai Komichi
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Posted - 2006.11.20 03:30:00 -
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Skipping all the arguing and nay-saying and blah blah blah blah, is there any requirements per-say (i.e. minimum amount of ISK to be transfered etc) that you have for those of us who are interested in your plans?
IF you've already posted this, then I probably missed it between all the 3000 word arguement posts some people have been having.
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.11.20 03:37:00 -
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Edited by: Ezoran DuBlaidd on 20/11/2006 03:37:34 I like this Shar guy.
edited to add the below for the guy that posted before me:
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