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Miroslana
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Posted - 2006.11.14 12:52:00 -
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Well, actually I've thought a bit about atmospheric flying and the ships of eve. Of course I'm not an avionics expert, but I think that the most ships in eve have the atmospheric flight ability of a brick. So what do you think how this will be solved? Will ccp give us some fancy antigravalike-devices? (Guess what? I don't like that antigrav idea.) Or will there be special ships designed for atmospheric flight?
Looked at the (common) ships eve has, there are not much which I consider as planetary-flight-able. Slasher is imho able to fly on planets. Anything bigger as a frigate will need really, really immense engine power imho. Well, as said, I don't know much about avionics.
And yes, I know it will take a long time until flying on planets will become reality (or maybe it never will.) - for this reason, the topic was placed in *this* forum. I'm just curious about your opinions. :)
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Benco97
Gallente
Multiverse Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.14 12:56:00 -
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in my opinion the Burst will be great at plummeting toward the ground, I look forward to many ground adventures in my bursts
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.14 13:09:00 -
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In addition to the aerodynamic problems, it's also mentioned somewhere in the backstory that tritanium is combustible in atmospheres.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Aerial Boundaries Inc.
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.14 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Crumplecorn on 14/11/2006 13:19:52
Interstellar ships handle the atmosphere quite nicely in stargate using anti-gravity (or is it anti-interia?) devices to stop them from going too fast. That works for me.
I think it would be great to fly in an environment where if you go too fast you catastrophically damage your ship and plummet to the ground, killing millions of people below.
It would be even better to attempt to fight people there.
Maybe new modules to allow ships to enter the atmosphere?
I do not like the idea of a dedicated class of ships for it. It's kind of good news bad news then, good news is we have planetary flight, bad news is you can't fly your usual ships in the atmosphere anyway.
As for the tritanium thing, stargates are only supposed to be in binary systems. *shrug*
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Anatolius
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.14 17:24:00 -
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EVE Atmospheric Flight Video
Just remove the jump drive, add in fiery explosions.
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Suze'Rain
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Posted - 2006.11.14 17:38:00 -
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aero-space vehicles would be an absolutely fantastic addition to the ship-types.
the designer in me is twitching at the very thought....
must... not... start..... drawing... :)
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evistin
Multiverse Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.14 17:39:00 -
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There is nothing stopping you from making a car fly, its just a lot easier to use a plane to do it. :)
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Laocoon
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.14 17:43:00 -
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 Originally by: Anatolius
EVE Atmospheric Flight Video
Just remove the jump drive, add in fiery explosions.
Oh, dear god. I didn't know BSG was so awesome. 
/me must go and buy/obtain first 2 series.
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Soratah
Amarr
Yazata Spenta
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2006.11.14 17:45:00 -
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Meh, all ships in Eve have shield generators that're capable of taking heat levels of a direct nuclear blast (Torpedoes anyone). There wont be any problems surviving re-entry.
Indeed considering the abundance of fuel the ships have they can probably slow right down before re-entry thus preventing hot entries.
As for the atmospheric capabilities. Yes, they have AG. As long as each ship has power they can probably sit there suspended over a city or landmass. If they MUST touch down then the big ships can probably go for an ocean landing anyway. Indeed, with appropriate equipment one could scoop heavy hydrogen needed to run the Fusion generators...
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Farrellus Cameron
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.11.14 17:50:00 -
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Imagine a freighter in atmospheric flight. It would wipe out an entire city like a nuclear bomb.
I actually always kinda liked the fact that the ships never needed any practical design because they were always in space.
What if the shields acted as some sort of warp bubble/antigrav field, and when they were taken out you plummeted into the ground? Of course it would screw over armor tankers, but I think it's a funny concept.
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Mort Sinious
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Posted - 2006.11.14 17:50:00 -
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Well, all ships in EVE have shields. And a shield generates a round bubbe around the ship. Maybe the air flows around this bubble and not around the hull of the ship. This would dramatically improve the dynamics of flight. And then, maneuvering end staying in the air is all handled by thrsters and not wings, so... this might be an idea?
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Steppa
Gallente
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.11.14 17:56:00 -
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You're assuming that ships that far in the future would need to use air pressure for lift to "fly". Here are a couple of obvious speculative options;
1) The Pushing Gravity theory turns out to be true. Engines provide negetive gravity to negate or maneuver against a large gravity well such as a planet or moon.
2) String theory ends up displaying the "weave" theory of space-time, in that all existence is cris-crossed with infinite strings of force. Engines would use their own physics to basically treat space-time like an old paddleboat steamer would treat water.
3) The engines are actually teleportation devices that move the entire device, which is attached to the ship and thus the ship as well, in any direction at a given speed. The more teleportations per second, for instance, the faster you can go. It would be limited in that it won't actually let you move any real distance, but rather a huge number of small distances. The end result would look very much like flight, but would not have to deal with inertia. The occupants, on the other hand...
There, right off the top of my head in about five minutes time...
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Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
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Posted - 2006.11.14 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Anatolius
EVE Atmospheric Flight Video
Just remove the jump drive, add in fiery explosions.
hmm wondering if i can find that around here, looks after all quite nice :)
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EchoTheDolphin
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Posted - 2006.11.14 18:21:00 -
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Making a ship aerodynamic would be easy: Simply create a shield system devoted to forming an aerodynamic shell around the ship, but not to interact with any weapons so it can never go down unless the ship is destroyed. Accompany that with some form of anti-gravity system or intertial cancelling system (Easy since EVE universe already invovles bending space for warp drives, and undoubtedly inertial dampeners)
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Billy Sastard
Amarr
Zephyr Enterprises Inc.
Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2006.11.14 18:21:00 -
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I belive that the EVE ships would just use brute power to conduct atmospheric flight, I am not totally up on the 'canon' technology behind the ships, but I belive they use some sort of inertail manipulation, which will work just fine in atmospheric flight. If the guys at Lockheed can make the F-117 fly in this day and age, in a highly advanced technological setting, im sure that a typhoon could manage atmospheric navigation.
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Leviathan Corperation LTD
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Posted - 2006.11.14 18:26:00 -
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Well it might bring back the usage of certain ships, perhaps make it so only frigs can enter an atmosphere (all others are too big bla bla bla excuse or something)
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Uggster
Caldari
Never'where
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Posted - 2006.11.14 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Benco97
in my opinion the Burst will be great at plummeting toward the ground, I look forward to many ground adventures in my bursts
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Kelkyen
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Posted - 2006.11.14 18:32:00 -
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Escape velocity of Earth 11200 m/s, Mars 5000 m/s, and the Moon 2400 m/s.
How fast does your ship go?
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2006.11.14 18:47:00 -
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Most of the minerals are unstable in an atmosphere, it's in the lore somewhere. Imagine your ship being made of frozen mercury, or ice, which the cold of space keeps frozen, but the heat of re-entry and an atmosphere would react with and melt/explode it.
Not sure how they'll explain this bit of lore away.
Perhaps we'll have different ships for atmospheric gameplay. Warp to station in orbit, dock, switch to planetary vehicle, undock, and be able to pilot your plane in the air on the planet, etc. Microsoft Flight Simulator tagged on to the EVE game.
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Leviathan Corperation LTD
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Posted - 2006.11.14 18:50:00 -
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Seems ccp allready solved it one way or another (special coating on the ship bla bla bla excuse) cuz i remember seeing a little clip of a condor/crow/raptor entering an atmosphere and skimming the surface of a planet.
(mebbe someone has a linky to that clip? that would be cool)
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Benco97
Gallente
Multiverse Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.14 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Uggster
Originally by: Benco97
in my opinion the Burst will be great at plummeting toward the ground, I look forward to many ground adventures in my bursts
Disturbing nutter-like one tracked mind
*cries* You have hurt my nutter-like feelings ;.;
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Worms Corp
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Posted - 2006.11.14 19:01:00 -
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frigates are logical for this as they arent really bigger then a 767. and if the USAF can make the B2 Spirit fly then a few thousand years into the future im sure a condor frigate could fly.
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Gloria Pao
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Posted - 2006.11.14 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Letouk Mernel
Most of the minerals are unstable in an atmosphere, it's in the lore somewhere. Imagine your ship being made of frozen mercury, or ice, which the cold of space keeps frozen, but the heat of re-entry and an atmosphere would react with and melt/explode it.
Now I'm REALLY worried about thermal damage to my ship...
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Roshan longshot
Gallente
Ordos Humanitas
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Posted - 2006.11.14 19:09:00 -
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Well I have been working on aircraft for 20+ years...I can make a brick fly! Hope you all know what a F-4 phantom II is....glide ratio of 1:5 that is 1 foot foward, 5 feet down.
Some of the ships will be capable of flight, while others, Raven, tempest, dom...well enough thrust, and you will compensate for the lack of lift.
Some other points...all them flimsy stuff on the minie ships....say bye bye if you try to do to much speed in atmosphere!
But as we all know, we can warp through planets,gates,stations, just about everything but those **** billboards.
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Beringe
Caldari
Raptus Regaliter
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Posted - 2006.11.14 19:12:00 -
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Tritanium is unstable
But I guess they can always say that somebody came up with a compound that wasn't.
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2006.11.14 19:15:00 -
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Maybe they solved them, dunno. I don't think they've posted any sort of story or article related to how, though.
In any case, the joys of locking buildings and facilities on the ground, and setting your "orbit" distance, flying around in circles in the sky, hoping that your computer doesn't consider a "vertical" orbit path and sticks to horizontal ones... shooting your guns at the ground and taking incoming fire and surface-to-air missiles, trying to set your NOS to drain the dratted factory of all its power, and webify its workers so they can't run out and surrender...
Can't wait for all that excitement.
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Rafein
Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.14 19:18:00 -
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each races get a a class of ship specifically designed for planatary flight.
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Hakera
Anari Higard
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Posted - 2006.11.14 19:20:00 -
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almost no hull would be made of a pure metal, it would almost surely be a composite alloy, the mass of the ships would be huge using a pure metal. You could argue that yes that is the mineral form straight from velspar etc, but it would be made into an alloy before it would become a hull part.
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter.
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Posted - 2006.11.14 19:32:00 -
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The flight mechanics and physics already behave like we are in an atmosphere the whole time, so at least our ships will finally behave correctly.....
Originally by: Tuxford
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Midshipman
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.11.14 19:57:00 -
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Edited by: Midshipman on 14/11/2006 19:59:05
Originally by: Kelkyen
Escape velocity of Earth 11200 m/s, Mars 5000 m/s, and the Moon 2400 m/s.
How fast does your ship go?
Escape velocity is only relevant to a ship without propulsion (i.e. one coasting along). If you have enough thrust, you can leave a planet's gravitational field at whatever speed you want.
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