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Dante Xaphan
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Posted - 2006.11.14 13:42:00 -
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I was wondering if you could use heavy drones against cruisers. Or are those ships to small to hit already for the poor guys , and should I thus use meds?
Regards,
DX
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.14 13:48:00 -
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Heavy drones work fine against cruisers. They shouldnt, but they do.
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DarkElf
Caldari
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2006.11.14 13:50:00 -
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Depends raelly. they track fine enough to hit them but they can be easily outrun by a cruiser orbiting fast.
DE
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madaluap
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolance
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Posted - 2006.11.14 15:30:00 -
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 Originally by: Jim McGregor
Heavy drones work fine against cruisers. They shouldnt, but they do.
Why not? i dont see cruisemissiles, 2X targetpainter + torp or webber+[insert any large typegun] have problems with them?
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Trefnis
Solidline Enterprise
Kith of Venal
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Posted - 2006.11.14 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Heavy drones work fine against cruisers. They shouldnt, but they do.
Why not? i dont see cruisemissiles, 2X targetpainter + torp or webber+[insert any large typegun] have problems with them?
plz point me one large turret that hit cruisers orbiting at 12-15km as easly as drones
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Halroth
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Posted - 2006.11.14 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Heavy drones work fine against cruisers. They shouldnt, but they do.
Why not? i dont see cruisemissiles, 2X targetpainter + torp or webber+[insert any large typegun] have problems with them?
Ok, on a torp raven, thats 9 module slots. On a turret battleship, its between 10 and 11 slots. That's against a domis zero slots to use drones. Kthxbye.
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Bazman
Caldari
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.14 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Halroth
Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Heavy drones work fine against cruisers. They shouldnt, but they do.
Why not? i dont see cruisemissiles, 2X targetpainter + torp or webber+[insert any large typegun] have problems with them?
Ok, on a torp raven, thats 9 module slots. On a turret battleship, its between 10 and 11 slots. That's against a domis zero slots to use drones. Kthxbye.
Newsflash genius. All battleships have Dronebays
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Taipan Gedscho
Taipan Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.14 15:41:00 -
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Edited by: Taipan Gedscho on 14/11/2006 15:42:57
oh man, i read the title, and KNEW that there would be complaining, about 3 posts into the thread.
first of all... its not too hard to outrun heavies.
yeah just plain speed screws them over.
and secondly... how many times has it been mentioned, that drones are a weapon system that was designed to work well enough OUTSIDE its size class.
so to quote this rude and stupdid phrase:
kthxbye
and to include some useful info for the OP:
you can use heavies, without any problems.
if the cruiser starts going... lets estimate... roughly 600 to 800 ms (sometimes more is required, depending on skills and drones) youre better off using meds.
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Bazman
Caldari
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.14 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Trefnis
Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Heavy drones work fine against cruisers. They shouldnt, but they do.
Why not? i dont see cruisemissiles, 2X targetpainter + torp or webber+[insert any large typegun] have problems with them?
plz point me one large turret that hit cruisers orbiting at 12-15km as easly as drones
Blasters, Auto's, Pulses
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Halroth
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Posted - 2006.11.14 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Bazman
Originally by: Halroth
Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Heavy drones work fine against cruisers. They shouldnt, but they do.
Why not? i dont see cruisemissiles, 2X targetpainter + torp or webber+[insert any large typegun] have problems with them?
Ok, on a torp raven, thats 9 module slots. On a turret battleship, its between 10 and 11 slots. That's against a domis zero slots to use drones. Kthxbye.
Newsflash genius. All battleships have Dronebays
A lot of battleships don't have drone bays large enough to take 5 heavy drones. A lot of battleships that can take 5 heavy drones don't have enough space for replacements when their drones get blown up. Fact is, 9 slots vs 0 slots... kinda unfair, mmkay?
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CptEagle
Gallente
Stargate Command...
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Posted - 2006.11.14 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Halroth
A lot of battleships don't have drone bays large enough to take 5 heavy drones. A lot of battleships that can take 5 heavy drones don't have enough space for replacements when their drones get blown up. Fact is, 9 slots vs 0 slots... kinda unfair, mmkay?
Mmmno... Dominix will be nerfed enough when the ECM nerf comes, so stop talking bull****... Dominix's drones can't come close to large weapons DPS, and Dominix cant really fit the best weapons, so its needs its drones to be alot better to be competitive, mmkay?
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Keitaro Baka
Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises
Babylon Project
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Posted - 2006.11.14 16:37:00 -
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The short reply:
if you're using a Dominix, feel free to use heavies. Otherwise you're usually better off with meds:
Heavy drones are horribly slow and drone nav computers are horribly silly (stupid drone bug where they overshoot and take another 10 secs before they do dmg). The hit cruisers ok, but unless you're using tech 2 heavies or webbers, tech 2 meds will do way more dps vs cruisers.
PVP: people tend to use heavies if they can fit a full load, but not many ships can. A drone ship needs spares so only the domi and high skill ishtar/eos are viable.. I use tech II heavies (specific) vs cruisers in mishes, and they are ok, but I tend to go through a group of cruisers in about the same time if not faster when using tech II meds. Travel time becomes a big issue.
Also the slot argument is a slightly ignorant thing, since you need several slots to perform well with just drones. You need a bigger/badder tank, since your dps is utterly gimped compared to guns or even missiles, you prolly need at least a drone link augmentor and omnidirectional drone mod and when doing missions you need an aggro device to make sure you don't lose millions in drones.
Also you don't even need that many slots to hit cruisers .. if your skills are nice and you're using useful weapons for the range you're usually fine. Try hitting a cruiser circling at 15km with wardens for a change. Missiles aren't even funny if I see people with rather low sp (less sp than I have in drones) rampage through npc cruisers faster than my heavies can get from one target to the next...
- All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me
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Mr dummy
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Posted - 2006.11.14 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Halroth
A lot of battleships don't have drone bays large enough to take 5 heavy drones. A lot of battleships that can take 5 heavy drones don't have enough space for replacements when their drones get blown up. Fact is, 9 slots vs 0 slots... kinda unfair, mmkay?
Perfectly fair.
1) The large drone bay of the Dominix is balanced by it's incredibly poor power grid, such that it can't effectively mount many guns. The Domi's versatility is balanced by it's lack of raw firepower. Sure your turret users have to use more modules to be effective. But the fact is that they have more slots (and more grid to fill them) than the domi. There's a reason so many people are forced to undergun the dominix.
2) If you can field heavy drones, and have sufficient drone support skills (Drone Nav, Drone Sharpshooting) to be able to effectively use drones against cruisers, then you are comparable to someone who has sufficent skills in gunnery to hit cruisers with large turrets.
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Dante Xaphan
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Posted - 2006.11.14 17:32:00 -
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Well, thanks all for the information, sorry for those who don't like the discussion that followed (didn't know that would happen).
As for the issue of the drone bay, the ship I'm gonna use is a Typhoon with 175m3 drone bay.
Thanks for the replies, cu out there,
DX
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.11.14 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 14/11/2006 17:41:13
Originally by: Dante Xaphan
Well, thanks all for the information, sorry for those who don't like the discussion that followed (didn't know that would happen).
I think people are all for discussions, but there must be some limits to what stupid arguments some people can throw out there with a straight face...
Typhoon can carry 5 heavy and 5 mediums btw. Or a crapload of mediums. :)
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Rafein
Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.14 17:42:00 -
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T2 heavies hit cruisers fine.
T1 heavies have issues, since they are slow, and don't track nearly as well.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.14 18:20:00 -
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Edited by: Aramendel on 14/11/2006 18:21:43
er..ndm (read something wrongly)
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