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Ria Sotori Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.15 07:42:00 - [1] Out of respect to the original poster (my ceo) of the turn the screw thread I am opening up this thread to accept your challenge and hope others will take non on topic comments here or to other related threads. Originally by: Gungankllr Tell you what, find the three biggest examples of items you believe to be lies and I'll address those. If they are lies, and I know them to be lies, then I will concede the argument to you. If they are a persons perception of the situation, that is different from an outright lie. Quote: Now that we are in Week 5 and BoB realize that ASCN is not going to be beat through brut force alone, they are spending A LOT of ISK and time getting ready for a POS spam war. (Breaking yet another famous line: ôwe donÆt fight lame POS warsö) -- Cyvok To date Bob has deployed the minimal required POS to take soverignity and has not "spammed a single system. == FACT == Quote: This will be a short and sweet post. There's something I need you all, the general populace of ASCN to understand because I'm not sure you do. The majority of BoB, their core membership, is leaving Eve. They are going to play Pirates of the Burning Sea when it's released next Spring, i.e. they have roughly six months left in Eve. Their Leadership has told Cyvok catagorically that they want to go out in a blaze of glory. That blaze of glory is nothing less than the total destruction of ASCN. -- John McCreedy At no point in time has any offer of proof of the above absurdly stupid lie been produced since it was first written. Quote: Things were also not helped by a GM moving BoB en masse back into TPAR from TCAG just as ASCN was gaining the upper hand, then moving them back when we didn't expect it and without warning, allowing them to kill a sizeable proportion of our fleet. We're petitioning that. -- John McCreedy This one gets the prize as the lamest attempt at a outright lie spinjob of the entire war gung. Start Dancing Jr. -- Love Mom
Sun Ra Brutor tribe	Posted - 2006.11.15 07:51:00 - [2] pew pew Arcane Frankologies - 'plz stop guys it's xmas'
Darkstar BP Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.15 07:53:00 - [3] Edited by: Darkstar BP on 15/11/2006 07:55:13 Well let's add the other collection of lies, so we can have a good debate. Just a good old REPETITIVE discussion. Recycling the same material over and over again. Until infinity. First quote by DB Preacher: Originally by: DB Preacher However, here are three very large ones we have encountered from different members of your leadership during the war that I will post anyway. Quote: 1. Samuraijack > DB Preacher was seen flying a barge in PNQ. He lied to try to prove to the Eve public that BoB had ANY sort of tie to Xelas and their outpost. Second version of the quote according to DB Preacher, filed about 30 mins later as an edit on the first quote: Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 15/11/2006 01:10:44 Quote: 1. SamuraiJack > and if not bob... why was DBP at a pos there in a barge? in the shield Well DBP, because you seem so pre-occupied with quotes about yourself: I'll give you another one. This one actually can be found on the ASCN Forums. Originally by: Samuraijack It seems that DBP really didnt like the EVE-Tribune piece that had him cowering at a POS in a barge in PNQ. Maybe you can also find a LARGE LIE in that post about yourself of which the Eve-community must be informed. No ego of an actual human being was hurt in the process of compiling this post. It was just the ego of a game character.
Antidoll Caldari EverCorp.	Posted - 2006.11.15 07:56:00 - [4] And this was worth another post because you still feel the urge of promoting BoB as uber?
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.15 07:59:00 - [5] Nope... I think the challenge was laid down in good faith, now it's been picked up. I say give Gungan some time to find this post and make his response. Blog
Fedaykin Naib 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.15 08:00:00 - [6] Sir. Seriously. Im not tryint go become a BoB fanboy. But, is there seriously something wrong in the head of common BoB pilots? Is there no thinking for yourselves? Can you not see that the classes of BoB propaganda is destorying your brain cells? Seriously, is there something that their feeding you that prevents you from acting with common sense? All, I can say is that my ingame character is pulling out his bueatiful blond hair at the idiocy of the common member of BoB alliance. I mean, actually, I cant put the expression into words. The least i can say i, "What the **** is wrong with you?" "Long Live the Fighters!"
Darkstar BP Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.15 08:07:00 - [7] Originally by: Avernus Nope... I think the challenge was laid down in good faith, now it's been picked up. I say give Gungan some time to find this post and make his response. Issue has been raised in slightly other words in the other thread and addressed in the other thread. I think it is wise to cease spamming threads about these issues with recycled material. You will not get a quality debate the second time around. Good post - Especially the "the challenge was laid down in good faith". You showed your subservience well again today. Your masters must be pleased.
Rexthor Hammerfists Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.15 08:10:00 - [8] "Seriously. Im not tryint go become a BoB fanboy. But, is there seriously something wrong in the head of common BoB pilots? Is there no thinking for yourselves? Can you not see that the classes of BoB propaganda is destorying your brain cells? Seriously, is there something that their feeding you that prevents you from acting with common sense? All, I can say is that my ingame character is pulling out his bueatiful blond hair at the idiocy of the common member of BoB alliance. I mean, actually, I cant put the expression into words. The least i can say i, "What the ** is wrong with you?"" no need to be rude here ;), i think its pretty obvious why ria made this topic, and i can wholeheartly understand it. when u have all sorts of ppl shouting crap over the forums about you, half lies, lies, assumptions etc. u can get lightly annoyed by it, especially when you and your corp/alliance try to play this game serious, without exploits or as ria said, without spamming pos. hope that explains what the ** is goin on with us. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.15 08:12:00 - [9] Originally by: Darkstar BP Originally by: Avernus Nope... I think the challenge was laid down in good faith, now it's been picked up. I say give Gungan some time to find this post and make his response. Issue has been raised in slightly other words in the other thread and addressed in the other thread. I think it is wise to cease spamming threads about these issues with recycled material. You will not get a quality debate the second time around. Good post - Especially the "the challenge was laid down in good faith". You showed your subservience well again today. Your masters must be pleased. How about you kiss my subservient ass? Have I shown any disrepect towards ASCN or Gungan himself? If this was answered in one of the previous threads from which it came, that's fine. Truth is, I don't read through all the BoB and ASCN threads past the first couple of pages normally. I'd expect that if someone was making a seperate thread for something of this nature, it would be due to the original being buried, without response, in one of those 14 pages threads that seem to be rather common. Blog
Darkstar BP Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.15 08:20:00 - [10] Originally by: Avernus If this was answered in one of the previous threads from which it came, that's fine. Truth is, I don't read through all the BoB and ASCN threads past the first couple of pages normally. I'd expect that if someone was making a seperate thread for something of this nature, it would be due to the original being buried, without response, in one of those 14 pages threads that seem to be rather common. Avernus, If you really mean in good faith - my apologies. I do see a constant stream of all kind of supporting posts, like yours, following each of these what I consider flame-baits. I consider them flame-bait because the issue has been discussed elsewhere extensively. Material is recycled over and over again. The second time around the debate is not going to be better.

Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.15 08:31:00 - [11] Originally by: Darkstar BP Avernus, If you really mean in good faith - my apologies. I do see a constant stream of all kind of supporting posts, like yours, following each of these what I consider flame-baits. I consider them flame-bait because the issue has been discussed elsewhere extensively. Material is recycled over and over again. The second time around the debate is not going to be better. No problem, consider it forgotten. While I don't know Gungan very well, he used to be a part of FIX in the past. He always came across to me as be a level headed guy who stands by his friends. The reason for my original post is because I figure that he writes what he means, and that he'd want the opportunity to reply. As for this being covered in another thread... well I'm not going to go wading through all that has been written, things are often a bit out of hand with multiple issues being addressed at the same time that far into a thread. Makes it difficult to have a dialogue as such; I prefer getting into threads early on. Blog
hantwo S.A.S	Posted - 2006.11.15 08:35:00 - [12] Originally by: Avernus Nope... I think the challenge was laid down in good faith, now it's been picked up. I say give Gungan some time to find this post and make his response. shhh puppy your master didn't say bark yet
King Fury Caldari New Justice	Posted - 2006.11.15 08:37:00 - [13] Another pointless BoB thread
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.15 08:38:00 - [14] Originally by: hantwo Originally by: Avernus Nope... I think the challenge was laid down in good faith, now it's been picked up. I say give Gungan some time to find this post and make his response. shhh puppy your master didn't say bark yet Perhaps read up on the rest of the replies made? Blog
slothe Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.11.15 09:18:00 - [15] Originally by: Sun Ra pew pew what he said.
mr passie Minmatar Purgatorial Janitors Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.15 09:27:00 - [16] Edited by: mr passie on 15/11/2006 09:28:12 I'm in a bob thread! let the smack begin! abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz<space> now take the most offensive lettercombination from the line above and direct it at yourself =D You are allowed to use the letters and <space> multiple times. ----------------------------------------------- I'm a reversed paranoid schizophrenic. I have voices in my head I just think I don't hear them
Rift Scorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.15 09:38:00 - [17] Originally by: Fedaykin Naib Seriously. Im not tryint go become a BoB fanboy. For someone who's not trying, you're doing a pretty good job. Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03
Ria Sotori Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.15 10:10:00 - [18] While I appreciate support as well as critcism there pointless in this thread. All the Bob and ASCN folks really can sit this one out. Im not looking for a flamefest, Im not looking for a epeen contest. In the previous thread the challenge was laid down. It was responded to by DBP who included one lie he personally found insulting as any of us would do. The response he got back was a tap dance. The other 2 lies he cited were avoided and the one involving him personally was never answered as well. Instead more tap dancing, trolling and general side step behavior. The three "alleged" lies I state at the beginning still stand awaiting refutal. So please stop trying to derail the thread and give gung a chance to respond. My post does not criticize there alliance, bolster my own or serve as chest beating it is simply the acceptance of a challenge and movement of it to an appropriate thread so the original thread doesnt get locked by the side stepping squad. Thank You
King Fury Caldari New Justice	Posted - 2006.11.15 10:20:00 - [19] Originally by: Ria Sotori While I appreciate support as well as critcism there pointless in this thread. All the Bob and ASCN folks really can sit this one out. Im not looking for a flamefest, Im not looking for a epeen contest. In the previous thread the challenge was laid down. It was responded to by DBP who included one lie he personally found insulting as any of us would do. The response he got back was a tap dance. The other 2 lies he cited were avoided and the one involving him personally was never answered as well. Instead more tap dancing, trolling and general side step behavior. The three "alleged" lies I state at the beginning still stand awaiting refutal. So please stop trying to derail the thread and give gung a chance to respond. My post does not criticize there alliance, bolster my own or serve as chest beating it is simply the acceptance of a challenge and movement of it to an appropriate thread so the original thread doesnt get locked by the side stepping squad. Thank You The amount of propaganda you feed on the forums and abuse you serve your enemies, you deserve everything you get. Awww diddums poor DB Preacher was insulted, what goes around comes around If you want answers use eve-mail and stop making pointless threads, or use blacklights thread. u Nub
Darkstar BP Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.15 10:31:00 - [20] Originally by: Ria Sotori While I appreciate support as well as critcism there pointless in this thread. All the Bob and ASCN folks really can sit this one out. Im not looking for a flamefest, Im not looking for a epeen contest. This is so funny, so now you are coming with your own list of The Most Important ASCN HC Lies which needs to be addressed by Gung. Which, of course is a recycling of stuff that has been discussed elsewhere. So we are going to recycle old discussions AGAIN. When the challenge was laid down, it was taken up, and discussed....time to move on. There is about 1600 BoB, is everyone of you coming out with their own list, in your own thread? Well in that case CCP should start reinforcing the forum servers too. In addition if you didn't want any reaction by anyone else - which is apparently your concern, there is a mechanism called Eve-mail. It is really useful. Originally by: Ria Sotori All the Bob and ASCN folks really can sit this one out. So according to you, so can Gung.......

Coasterbrian Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.15 10:37:00 - [21] Sheesh, I guess CYVOK needs to write a new blog, because the dead horse has been beaten to a pulp already and people are still swinging.... ---------- I say what I mean, but I don't always mean what I say.
Noobaque Amarr BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.15 10:41:00 - [22] Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists "Seriously. Im not tryint go become a BoB fanboy. But, is there seriously something wrong in the head of common BoB pilots? Is there no thinking for yourselves? Can you not see that the classes of BoB propaganda is destorying your brain cells? Seriously, is there something that their feeding you that prevents you from acting with common sense? All, I can say is that my ingame character is pulling out his bueatiful blond hair at the idiocy of the common member of BoB alliance. I mean, actually, I cant put the expression into words. The least i can say i, "What the ** is wrong with you?"" no need to be rude here ;), i think its pretty obvious why ria made this topic, and i can wholeheartly understand it. when u have all sorts of ppl shouting crap over the forums about you, half lies, lies, assumptions etc. u can get lightly annoyed by it, especially when you and your corp/alliance try to play this game serious, without exploits or as ria said, without spamming pos. hope that explains what the ** is goin on with us. if you get so hurt about what people say on the forums i have a super idea for you so you dont waste our time with the e peen threads of bob wisdom............ DONT READ THEM
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.15 10:48:00 - [23] Originally by: King Fury Awww diddums poor DB Preacher was insulted, what goes around comes around Nah, I wasn't insulted, I couldn't careless whether they had used me or anyone else in BoB. The reason I posted that was because Samuraijack made a point of posting it in an interview on eve-tribune as justification for an attack on an alliance who have nothing to do with this war. He not only lied to ASCN members, he also lied to you, the eve-o public which was different to the other quotes and was vindictive of a desperate tactic to try and look like the good guys in the war, making xelas out to be nasty... which they are not in the slightest. Xelas just happen to be our friends, enjoying our 0.0 space for mutual benefit, which is obviously making other corps and alliances jealous (hi celest). dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Ilmonstre Minmatar TYRANTS	Posted - 2006.11.15 11:02:00 - [24] Originally by: Rift Scorn Originally by: Fedaykin Naib Seriously. Im not tryint go become a BoB fanboy. For someone who's not trying, you're doing a pretty good job. so if somoene isnt agreeing with BOB or thinks they are making less intelligent remarks they can not say that becouse then they are a fanboy?? i find that strange but that can be just my f-ed up mind with mucho love from your humble servent
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.15 11:03:00 - [25] Wow, my first thread dedicated to me. Quote: Now that we are in Week 5 and BoB realize that ASCN is not going to be beat through brut force alone, they are spending A LOT of ISK and time getting ready for a POS spam war. (Breaking yet another famous line: ôwe donÆt fight lame POS warsö) -- Cyvok Read that paragraph carefully, and then tell me the difference between that one and the way I believe you read it, below. Quote: Now that we are in Week 5 and BoB realize that ASCN is not going to be beat through brut force alone, they are spending A LOT of ISK and are confirmed starting a POS spam war. (Breaking yet another famous line: ôwe donÆt fight lame POS warsö), -- Cyvok There's a big difference between getting ready for and doing. So the first one is confirmed to be truthful. Moving on. As for #2 and #3, I don't have access to their chatlogs, or evemails, or teamspeak. Nor was I in system when the whole TCAG/TPAR thing happened. I will pass these questions on to John and CYVOK. When they answer me, I'll answer you. Bookmark this thread. Hidden in this signature is a secret message. I like pie.
King Fury Caldari New Justice	Posted - 2006.11.15 11:13:00 - [26] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: King Fury Awww diddums poor DB Preacher was insulted, what goes around comes around Nah, I wasn't insulted, I couldn't careless whether they had used me or anyone else in BoB. The reason I posted that was because Samuraijack made a point of posting it in an interview on eve-tribune as justification for an attack on an alliance who have nothing to do with this war. He not only lied to ASCN members, he also lied to you, the eve-o public which was different to the other quotes and was vindictive of a desperate tactic to try and look like the good guys in the war, making xelas out to be nasty... which they are not in the slightest. Xelas just happen to be our friends, enjoying our 0.0 space for mutual benefit, which is obviously making other corps and alliances jealous (hi celest). dbp Everyone knows about your relationship with Xelas, so cant blame them as they are aligned to you they are valid targets. In summary BoB - Evil Bad Guys Xelas - Evil Bad Guys Slaves Vs Celest - Saviours of Fountain ASCN - Good Guys Its not like BoB never tries to spin the truth, the problem is you guys make so many posts every one assumes its complete *******s anyway Dont you think this was a pointless thread? Dont you think it could be resolved in your other thread or eve-mail? In all these ASCN v BoB threads I have never seen a simple gf, now thats a shame
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.15 11:14:00 - [27] Gungan, and others, you can stop it. This is useless. We could discuss about what is said, what implied and whether it was supposed to represent opinion or fact for weeks here and it's not going to lead to anything. People have seen enough to draw their conclusions about this part of the whole saga now. So let's leave the excuses and fighting about them for next part ok ? And yes, this thread was posted by a BoB member yes. I know, he knows, the rest of the world can see it. It doesn't really matter. Soon enough there'll be an opportunity to do some forum fighting over new issues. Let's keep the inspiration for then ok ? In the mean while I suggest we get on with things and leave this subject to die. Old blog
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.15 11:21:00 - [28] Come on folks, there are almost ten BoB-ASCN posts on just the first page of CAOD. Do we really need this many? -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.11.15 11:22:00 - [29] Originally by: Dark Shikari Come on folks, there are almost ten BoB-ASCN posts on just the first page of CAOD. Do we really need this many? LOL, makes me wonder what is the record! ------------------ Its great not being an Amarr, aint it? Save Tranquility!
Sextus Licinius Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.11.15 11:30:00 - [30] Originally by: Ria Sotori Out of respect to the original poster (my ceo) of the turn the screw thread I am opening up this thread to accept your challenge and hope others will take non on topic comments here or to other related threads. Originally by: Gungankllr Tell you what, find the three biggest examples of items you believe to be lies and I'll address those. If they are lies, and I know them to be lies, then I will concede the argument to you. If they are a persons perception of the situation, that is different from an outright lie. Quote: Now that we are in Week 5 and BoB realize that ASCN is not going to be beat through brut force alone, they are spending A LOT of ISK and time getting ready for a POS spam war. (Breaking yet another famous line: ôwe donÆt fight lame POS warsö) -- Cyvok To date Bob has deployed the minimal required POS to take soverignity and has not "spammed a single system. == FACT == He said "BoB getting ready for a POS spam war". How can he lie about something like that? Getting ready for a POS War is just an assumption not a lie, you should know that. As Fed said, this propaganda is messing with your brain and I can see how right he is. "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"



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