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Kera Royard
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.06 00:38:00 -
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So I moved into a WH a c2, and I am wondering what is the best BC to be using to clear sites. Using a drake right now and it isn't going very smoothly, as I don't have great shield or Missile skills but I do have good gunnery and armor skills. Just looking for opinions and peoples experience with flying other BCs in c2s to see which one I should fly.
Flying a drake right now even though my skills are subpar is because it was free and my corp is mainly shield tankers. Smarter Idea to switch to a Shield tanked cane, or is a Harb or Myrm a better choice? Just looking for some friendly help. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2011.12.06 00:43:00 -
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Kera Royard wrote:So I moved into a WH a c2, and I am wondering what is the best BC to be using to clear sites. Using a drake right now and it isn't going very smoothly, as I don't have great shield or Missile skills but I do have good gunnery and armor skills. Just looking for opinions and peoples experience with flying other BCs in c2s to see which one I should fly.
Flying a drake right now even though my skills are subpar is because it was free and my corp is mainly shield tankers. Smarter Idea to switch to a Shield tanked cane, or is a Harb or Myrm a better choice? Just looking for some friendly help.
Just finish training the drake. |
mkjkgkvk Melkan
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.06 00:46:00 -
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drake will just get better and better, best tool for the job really |
Nor Tzestu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.06 01:20:00 -
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BC?
PVE?
Yup, use a drake. Anything else would be uncivilized. |
Space Momma
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.06 01:44:00 -
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drake, confirming. |
Goose99
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.06 02:29:00 -
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Kera Royard wrote:So I moved into a WH a c2, and I am wondering what is the best BC to be using to clear sites. Using a drake right now and it isn't going very smoothly, as I don't have great shield or Missile skills but I do have good gunnery and armor skills. Just looking for opinions and peoples experience with flying other BCs in c2s to see which one I should fly.
Flying a drake right now even though my skills are subpar is because it was free and my corp is mainly shield tankers. Smarter Idea to switch to a Shield tanked cane, or is a Harb or Myrm a better choice? Just looking for some friendly help.
Passive harb is lol and not passive. Try passive projectile myrm, 320 hp/s peak recharge instead of drake's 230 hp/s, at comparable resists. |
To mare
Advanced Technology
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Posted - 2011.12.06 05:32:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:Kera Royard wrote:So I moved into a WH a c2, and I am wondering what is the best BC to be using to clear sites. Using a drake right now and it isn't going very smoothly, as I don't have great shield or Missile skills but I do have good gunnery and armor skills. Just looking for opinions and peoples experience with flying other BCs in c2s to see which one I should fly.
Flying a drake right now even though my skills are subpar is because it was free and my corp is mainly shield tankers. Smarter Idea to switch to a Shield tanked cane, or is a Harb or Myrm a better choice? Just looking for some friendly help. Passive harb is lol and not passive. Try passive projectile myrm, 320 hp/s peak recharge instead of drake's 230 hp/s, at comparable resists.
yeah
too bad the drones of the myrm wil get popped by sleepers
and the AC w/o TE gyro will do terrible dps at terrible range
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Goose99
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.06 05:45:00 -
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To mare wrote:Goose99 wrote:Kera Royard wrote:So I moved into a WH a c2, and I am wondering what is the best BC to be using to clear sites. Using a drake right now and it isn't going very smoothly, as I don't have great shield or Missile skills but I do have good gunnery and armor skills. Just looking for opinions and peoples experience with flying other BCs in c2s to see which one I should fly.
Flying a drake right now even though my skills are subpar is because it was free and my corp is mainly shield tankers. Smarter Idea to switch to a Shield tanked cane, or is a Harb or Myrm a better choice? Just looking for some friendly help. Passive harb is lol and not passive. Try passive projectile myrm, 320 hp/s peak recharge instead of drake's 230 hp/s, at comparable resists. yeah too bad the drones of the myrm wil get popped by sleepers and the AC w/o TE gyro will do terrible dps at terrible range
Myrm's drone has been nerfed ages ago into the ground, 75 mbit, lol. Weapon in drake is also without bcs and rigor, except Myrm has enough lows to spare for at least a few dmg mods, while drake has 4 lows, and any sacrifice of spr butchers the regen for sleeper sites. That's compounded by him having high gun skills and crap missile skills. Lousy choices all around either way, it's passive bcs. |
To mare
Advanced Technology
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Posted - 2011.12.06 05:49:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:To mare wrote:Goose99 wrote:Kera Royard wrote:So I moved into a WH a c2, and I am wondering what is the best BC to be using to clear sites. Using a drake right now and it isn't going very smoothly, as I don't have great shield or Missile skills but I do have good gunnery and armor skills. Just looking for opinions and peoples experience with flying other BCs in c2s to see which one I should fly.
Flying a drake right now even though my skills are subpar is because it was free and my corp is mainly shield tankers. Smarter Idea to switch to a Shield tanked cane, or is a Harb or Myrm a better choice? Just looking for some friendly help. Passive harb is lol and not passive. Try passive projectile myrm, 320 hp/s peak recharge instead of drake's 230 hp/s, at comparable resists. yeah too bad the drones of the myrm wil get popped by sleepers and the AC w/o TE gyro will do terrible dps at terrible range Myrm's drone has been nerfed ages ago into the ground, 75 mbit, lol. Weapon in drake is also without bcs and rigor, except Myrm has enough lows to spare for at least a few dmg mods, while drake has 4 lows, and any sacrifice of spr butchers the regen for sleeper sites. That's compounded by him having high gun skills and crap missile skills. Lousy choices all around either way, it's passive bcs.
still with comparable tank the drake is far more effective in dps/dps projection than the myrm
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Goose99
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
277
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Posted - 2011.12.06 06:02:00 -
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To mare wrote:Goose99 wrote:To mare wrote:Goose99 wrote:Kera Royard wrote:So I moved into a WH a c2, and I am wondering what is the best BC to be using to clear sites. Using a drake right now and it isn't going very smoothly, as I don't have great shield or Missile skills but I do have good gunnery and armor skills. Just looking for opinions and peoples experience with flying other BCs in c2s to see which one I should fly.
Flying a drake right now even though my skills are subpar is because it was free and my corp is mainly shield tankers. Smarter Idea to switch to a Shield tanked cane, or is a Harb or Myrm a better choice? Just looking for some friendly help. Passive harb is lol and not passive. Try passive projectile myrm, 320 hp/s peak recharge instead of drake's 230 hp/s, at comparable resists. yeah too bad the drones of the myrm wil get popped by sleepers and the AC w/o TE gyro will do terrible dps at terrible range Myrm's drone has been nerfed ages ago into the ground, 75 mbit, lol. Weapon in drake is also without bcs and rigor, except Myrm has enough lows to spare for at least a few dmg mods, while drake has 4 lows, and any sacrifice of spr butchers the regen for sleeper sites. That's compounded by him having high gun skills and crap missile skills. Lousy choices all around either way, it's passive bcs. still with comparable tank the drake is far more effective in dps/dps projection than the myrm
It's got the range, but dps will be crap, especially with low skills and no bcs/rigors. With comparable tank, the myrm will have dmg mods, make use of his high gunnery skills, just less range. Passive cane also works, but with much lower tank and thus no lows to spare. Harby is not workable for passive. |
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Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2011.12.06 08:18:00 -
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Hurrican will do fine up to C4 WHs.
Either as passive shield tank or nano-Cain.
If you know how to hold transveral low you will be faster with the Cain then with a Drake.
It's just not "jump in and auto kill" ;). You have to do something to survive *g*.
Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
Salvia Olima
FREE GATES
HUN Reloaded
10
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Posted - 2011.12.06 08:44:00 -
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Or use a Templar, an amarr fighter drone used by carriers. |
Zyella Stormborn
Vanguard Systems.
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Posted - 2011.12.07 08:03:00 -
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It may be boring for some, but Drake = top spot for pve in there.
Just my opinion but I would put the others in order of Harby / Cane / Myrm. This is wormhole mind you, not mission (although drake would be top in mission as well). |
Archare
SKEET ELITE
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Posted - 2011.12.07 08:15:00 -
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In case no one told you.....
Drake
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Zoofelynn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.07 12:09:00 -
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So I guess I could ask my question in this thread without starting my own..
I'm about to venture into a C2 wormhole and I have absolutely no experience regarding wormholes or sleepers. I can fly all armor tanked subcap Amarr and Minmatar ships which rely on Gunnery and I wonder if there is any specific ship within these boundaries which would do the job the best? Preferably excluding the t3s since I rather learn the ropes before I start bringing in the expensive stuff.
Hopefully someone can help me out a bit here! :) |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.07 13:03:00 -
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Passive tank Drake. |
luvmehard
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.07 13:37:00 -
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C2?
[Hurricane, insertnamehere]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Salvager I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Warrior II x5
Warrior II x1
Extender rigs instead of Purgers, because amount of shields is more important than regen. Use T1 meta 4 SPRs if you can't fit T2 (they are the same, only difference is price and skill req.). Most important thing: KEEP MOVING.
Drake is easier, with this 'cane you won't go brain dead of boredom.
Please support my proposal for LP relocation!
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=30500 |
Diomidis
Pod Liberation Authority
HYDRA RELOADED
10
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Posted - 2011.12.07 22:41:00 -
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Decent active hardener drake can do C3 WH work potently...soloing them is slow, but not terribly slow - as good as or better than most other BCs tbh. Neuting is not a huge deal in C3s, I doubt there will be any in C2s, so the whole passive regen idea is simply because it's better than active, not cause it has to be passively tanked, and active hardeners (2x invul, 1x named or faction photon, or EM amp if you wish) work a charm.
Has a utility slot that can fit a core launcher too, or a salvager if you have other ways to insure you are getting out.
"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."
-- Bertrand Russell |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
43
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Posted - 2011.12.08 00:14:00 -
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I can't talk to many of the other ships, but I relucantly went the Drake route for WH . I had tried a Myrmidon (all gallente) and watched a friend in a harby. (C2)
The issue, aside from the drones *(which is true they get targetted. I didnt lose many). The issue is with optimal and falloff.
In every WH I have run sites (C1-C3) you have to deal with extremes of range. You have frigs and cruiers that burn in FAST to close range. Then you have Cruisers and Battleships that hang way out at long ranges.
So if you fit for short range, you end up burning out to the battleships (annoying). Or you fit for long range, and have trouble with the short range sleepers. Or deal with drones for them.
Or you go drake. Sure Scourge missiles don't do as well against the close up frigs, but the key is they hit. An artillery fit Myrmidon would be miss miss miss agaisnts the frigs orbiting at 5,000m.
Bottom line, other ships work. I have a friend who solos C3 sites with a Sleipnir. But a drake is like easymode for wormholes.
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Adonlude
ANZAC ACADEMY
1
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:29:00 -
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I would be original and use an active tanked Ferox. They dont suck so bad anymore. |
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
183
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:52:00 -
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I used to use an active resist Drake. C2 really isn't that bad for neuts, and you can always warp away.
[Drake, Basic]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Photon Scattering Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
10MN Afterburner II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I
Salvager I
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Hobgoblin II x5 |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
43
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Posted - 2011.12.08 21:32:00 -
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Adonlude wrote:I would be original and use an active tanked Ferox. They dont suck so bad anymore.
Apparently it's being done.
http://taberprame.com/egokb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=3817 |
Abney Stewart
Click Click BOOM
4U Holdings Inc
0
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Posted - 2011.12.08 23:04:00 -
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For Class 2 Sleepers I recommend a HAC. I personally use a Deimos with duel armor reps. It does the sites fairly fast solo and can tank just fine with mid level skills. It is going to be more expensive than a drake and it will require you to ACTUALY PLAY the game as opposed to the drakes.
Step #1 Lock Target
Step #2 Push F1
Step #3 Repeat until everything is dead 
Here is the fit I use.
[Deimos, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Capacitor Power Relay II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
The MWD is only for closing range on the far away spawns and you have to be careful with burning directly at a Battleship. It is a ton of fun compared to the Drake. |
Michus Danether
Immortalis Silens
Intrepid Crossing
9
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Posted - 2011.12.08 23:07:00 -
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Typhoon. Seriously.
It's got the slots you need and it's cheap. You can also use the 125m3 drone bay to slap down some sentry drones and scoop them (or remote rep them...) when the sleepers start shooting them. |
Abney Stewart
Click Click BOOM
4U Holdings Inc
0
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Posted - 2011.12.09 01:36:00 -
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If you NEED a battleship for a C2 sleeper you are failing somewhere |
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