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Imechal Ravpeim
Amarr
International Multi-Player Consortium
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.15 10:25:00 -
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I mean... it has 4 mid slots and is a hauler. I find that after fitting an AB, medium shield extender, small shield booster, and invulerabilty field that it often fits within just enough PG. The low slots are best used for nanos or expanders IMO since it is a hauler and all... so... yeah?
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.15 10:31:00 -
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You tank your bestowers? O.o
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D'onryu Shoqui
Vengeance of the Fallen
Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.15 10:41:00 -
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real hualers structure tank
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Imechal Ravpeim
Amarr
International Multi-Player Consortium
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.15 10:43:00 -
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With all the stories about how some guy gets ganked in empire because their cargo was actually worth something... yes, of course i tank. What else am I gonna do with 3 mid slots? >_> I'm an Amarr pilot. I tank stuff.
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keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.15 10:50:00 -
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If you're worried about your cargo, get a transport.
I've never put anything but cap rechargers in the mids of my haulers.
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Angus Torg
GREY COUNCIL
Breidablik
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Posted - 2006.11.15 11:04:00 -
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I5 is even worse. Can passive shield tank like mad and do afk mining also in low sec without problems.
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Imechal Ravpeim
Amarr
International Multi-Player Consortium
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.15 11:05:00 -
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25 days is a long time when you already feel behind the rest of the world, lol. I'll get them one day.
Putting cap rechargers is what I do with the mid-slots on my normal ships... Which is why it feels so odd to shield tank a Bestower.
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Santa Anna
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Posted - 2006.11.15 11:08:00 -
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 Originally by: Imechal Ravpeim
I mean... it has 4 mid slots and is a hauler. I find that after fitting an AB, medium shield extender, small shield booster, and invulerabilty field that it often fits within just enough PG. The low slots are best used for nanos or expanders IMO since it is a hauler and all... so... yeah?
The bestower has ~10x more armor than shields. If you shield tank it you'll be instapopped by a t1 torp raven. Use the 4x low slots to build a high-resist armor+structure tank. If you're moving anything that you don't want to lose, beef up your ship and make multiple trips. Slow, paper-thin, high-sig radius targets carrying juicy goodies tend to get dead, even in empire.
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Enotz
Terminus Est Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.11.15 11:21:00 -
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Well the low slots are usually taken with expanders or nanos, so yeah.
You can't really count on it to save you against a decent PC, but against NPCs it should hold up alright.
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Imechal Ravpeim
Amarr
International Multi-Player Consortium
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.15 11:23:00 -
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AFK mining in low sec? And I thought I was crazy...
I use the lows for nanos since they give a nice burst of speed to it. And it's not like it's a weak shield tank, with a medium extender I get over 1000 hps plus the resistance bonus.
I'll have to test which is better with a friend sometime again...
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Paigan
Amarr
Katsu Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.15 11:36:00 -
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Industrials were initially meant to fit some factory stuff or so.
That's the reason the massive CPU und and the numerous med slots, i guess.
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slothe
Caldari
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.15 13:33:00 -
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i have an iteron with a mid slot armour rep which frees the lows up nicely.
id sell it at a ridiculously high price if anyone was interested.
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Aakron
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.11.15 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: slothe
i have an iteron with a mid slot armour rep which frees the lows up nicely.
id sell it at a ridiculously high price if anyone was interested.
 pic please
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slothe
Caldari
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.15 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Aakron
Originally by: slothe
i have an iteron with a mid slot armour rep which frees the lows up nicely.
id sell it at a ridiculously high price if anyone was interested.
pic please
i cant provide as im on holiday. its true though i have no reason to lie. Armour reps a long time ago used to be mid slots, then they changed them. the iteron is that old 
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qrac
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.11.15 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: slothe
Originally by: Aakron
Originally by: slothe
i have an iteron with a mid slot armour rep which frees the lows up nicely.
id sell it at a ridiculously high price if anyone was interested.
pic please
i cant provide as im on holiday. its true though i have no reason to lie. Armour reps a long time ago used to be mid slots, then they changed them. the iteron is that old
You're probably not allowed to use it and can you even undock in it?
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slothe
Caldari
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.15 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: qrac
You're probably not allowed to use it and can you even undock in it?
ive used it a few times and it can undock and i can activate module. i never really use it as i dont haul much tbh.
its only like cruise missile fitted kestrels. i found one of these recently still loaded. i waited for a target and unloaded all the missiles - into a gate - doh. (if someones killed by a cruise kessie they can petition for the ship back but i dont think its an exploit).
anyway im going on a tangent here. sorry for thread hijacking.
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Tanya Kovacs
SteelVipers
YouWhat
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Posted - 2006.11.15 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: slothe
Originally by: Aakron
Originally by: slothe
i have an iteron with a mid slot armour rep which frees the lows up nicely.
id sell it at a ridiculously high price if anyone was interested.
pic please
i cant provide as im on holiday. its true though i have no reason to lie. Armour reps a long time ago used to be mid slots, then they changed them. the iteron is that old
Yep true. My very first character's Rupture also has still a armor repper in medslot. I never felt brave enough to undock, try it out and see what happens when I activate this module.  
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Santa Anna
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Posted - 2006.11.15 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Enotz
Well the low slots are usually taken with expanders or nanos, so yeah.
You can't really count on it to save you against a decent PC, but against NPCs it should hold up alright.
If you're carrying anything of value, then:
DC, 2x spec hardener, 1x eanm in empire
DC, 2x nano/stab, 1x eanm in low sec.
Expanders should only be used when carrying large quantities of stuff that would be of no value to someone in a warship (ore/t1 ammo/low-value mods) and you wouldn't losing to an NPC spawn. Some people use expanders to move ships around, but outside of empire that's not very smart.
Shield tanking a bestower doesn't work because it has 4 med slots and only 70 base grid and ~150 base shields. An AB takes 50 grid, a med t2 extender takes 31 (23.25 w/max skills iirc) So you can just about max out your grid with an AB and an extender which means no repper. I don't have my fitting skills maxed yet (eng 4) but I can't fit AB + extender + booster even w/t1 modules. Provided you could, though, you'd still end up with a useless eggshell with terrible resists, easily instapopped by anything that bothers. Outside of dealing with Angels NPC's such a setup is pretty worthless.
If you want to shield tank a t1 hauler spend a day training caldari and get a badger 2. It has 6 mid slots, better grid, and 3x the base shields. I think starting with caldari frig at 0 it'd take me about 26 hours and my perception/willpower skills are terrible. 2x em hardeners, 2x thermal, 1x kinetic, with a t2 med booster should let you tank 75 explosive dps and more of the other flavors for ~30 seconds, give/take cap and shield passive recharge.
Of course, the threat to haulers in empire isn't sustained damage, it's burst damage, for which resists are far more useful than boosters or extenders. You don't have enough time to boost before concord gets there and it's over so the booster is pretty worthless and the extenders just give you even more low-resist hitpoints that will give the ganker a good log message to go with his loot but not much else.
It also doesn't make a lot of sense to tank a hauler for sustained damage in the mids in low sec/0.0 as you lose any chance of escaping (your only hope to escape is to jam the guy scramming you, which is at least one less mid to use for your already nearly useless shield tank) and escape is your only real chance to survive.
If you shield tank in a bestower I can take you down with an ibis away from sentry guns/help (unless you mount 2+ stabs, in which case why not just armor tank anyway?). If you armor tank and save your grid for weapons/combat mid slot mods you can defeat interceptors and T1 frigs while still being able to escape from most single-tackler ambushes.
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Enotz
Terminus Est Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.11.15 16:37:00 -
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Quote:
Shield tanking a bestower doesn't work because it has 4 med slots and only 70 base grid and ~150 base shields. An AB takes 50 grid, a med t2 extender takes 31 (23.25 w/max skills iirc) So you can just about max out your grid with an AB and an extender which means no repper.
I've got mine setup as Med Shield Booster II, Two named extenders. Would get owned extremely quickly by any player who's actually trying; but it's mainly there just to hold off NPCs.
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Rafein
Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.15 18:30:00 -
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Yes, shield tank it.
Shield tanking makes your sig bigger, but it buys you time.
On a target like a Hauler, your best defence is speed, tanking is secondary. If you can align and get into warp before they lock you, you get away. So shield tanking allows you speed to align and run, as well as giving you more time.
Also, cannot fit stabs if you got armor tanking in the lows.
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Kojiami
Dark Empire Fleet
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.15 18:48:00 -
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Here is a little story. Once upon a time, there was an ore stealer in high sec. He stole and stole and stole, from my corp, from my friends and from everyone in a system, flying a mammoth.The little thief stole a can full of kernite from my gang, and warped to station, i warped after him. An insta he had!
He decided to mock me. "I'll dock in 2 seconds after you shoot punk, and your ore is gone!" he said. I locked him. I switch my tachyons on, blue flash, gone.
That's how the bestower will do in any real pvp.
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.11.15 19:01:00 -
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I still have my torpedo Rupture.
~Thor Xian, Material Defender
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Mortimer Zorg
Caldari
Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.20 14:06:00 -
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You probally cannot undock the kestrel atleast i could not undock my dual mvd cruise missile with 5 light drones Moa :)
snif i miss cruise missile kestrels and a can in a safe spot in enemy terrotory full with missiles :)
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Luke Pubcrawler
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Posted - 2006.11.20 15:59:00 -
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Shiled tanked Bestower does have uses in Empire - I know because I run one some of the time.
True if you are carrying really valuable cargo it is a poor choice as any serious suicide ganker will kill you. However when you have lower value cargos it makes sense.
I use a shield tanked Bestower for afk lvl 4 Empire courier runs (AB - if I do sit there to fly it it speed things up, Medium extender, Invuln, small booster). In lows I fit 4 nanos (actually 3 nanos and an overdrive if I dont need full capacity).
As my cargo is not valuable only the guys in cheap ships might take a chance on killing me - and this handle a pair of morons in suicde kessies long enough of the guns and concord to save my skin (did this in Amarr space last week).
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DarkElf
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.11.20 16:42:00 -
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I have to say i'm a fan of the badger II with an ab and 5 multi spec jammers. you can almost imagine the shock on their face when they attack u and get perma jammed while tanking gate guns in their big battleship.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Vanguard Frontiers
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.20 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: DarkElf
I have to say i'm a fan of the badger II with an ab and 5 multi spec jammers. you can almost imagine the shock on their face when they attack u and get perma jammed while tanking gate guns in their big battleship.
DE
Im a fan of finding where you get the cap to run 5 multispec's?
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2006.11.20 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron
Originally by: DarkElf
I have to say i'm a fan of the badger II with an ab and 5 multi spec jammers. you can almost imagine the shock on their face when they attack u and get perma jammed while tanking gate guns in their big battleship.
DE
Im a fan of finding where you get the cap to run 5 multispec's?
I'm a fan of finding out how a BS couldn't destroy the Badger before the Badger got a lock.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.11.20 19:50:00 -
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Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 20/11/2006 19:50:30
Originally by: Lord WarATron
Im a fan of finding where you get the cap to run 5 multispec's?
Cap booster and 4 multispecs, perhaps? Or maybe ECM bursts instead 
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Myrk Reinhart
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Posted - 2006.11.20 19:55:00 -
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Yes shield tank on bestower will work, surprisingly.
I have used on several occations 2wcs and hardners to fill in for explosive and kinetic resistance increase.
And a shield booster and inv field and amp in mids.
have been in several occations where 3 ceptors on gate in 0.0 couldnt get me because i just warped off before they could break the tank or actually slowboated back to gate to jump out.....
Itty 5 is even better. i love it in 0.0.
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