What you guys think? I heard people talk about how bad it is and how many other T1 frigates can easely outmatch it, what is your opinion on navy slicer? Is it really that bad?

I am still trying to catch and beat one in a Comet. It is my current goal. I have been spanked by one several times.

The problem I have with holding up chessur as an example is that he seems to fly in null, against people that fly interceptors, which are hilariously bad against a ship that does 160+ EM damage at 26k.

He uses the ship properly, as you mentioned there is really only one optimal way to fit it so I am baffled by your comments.

Is it really that bad?

Step 1) fit mwd, scram, and overdrive.

Step 2) collect slicer killmail

I see what Demerius Xenocratus is saying and I think he does have a point. He's not saying that the Slicer isn't a very strong kiting ship - it is. But what he's getting at is that it's good almost only for kiting, and that in frigate PVP that can be a disadvantage, both in the number and type of fights you might get.

Which seems fair. Frigates, in my experience, are pretty good at avoiding fights they don't want to commit to (even against other frigates), so it stands to reason that if you're flying a ship with a predictable fit and strategy, you can end up fighting primarily ships that are strong against you, because the ones that are weak to you already decided not to engage. While this is cool if you want a challenge, it does make it a little less likely to get fights in general.

That said it's still pretty good at getting fights, especially in null where everyone fits an MWD and therefore which means pretty much any frigate has a shot at catching it, and where kiting setups are (I think) more prevalent in general.

I fly the slicer a decent amount and what Chessur is way, way, way better than me at doing is the manual piloting that helps you stay on the field against stuff that should force a slicer away, and knowing when to pull in close to get the kill without getting caught and blapped. I think the hard thing about actually getting kills in a slicer is that when you operate on the edge of point range, against frigates, it's tricky to keep the other guy from timing a good overheat cycle and warping off.

Overall it's a very strong ship, if pretty predictable (though you can mix it up with beams). It's tricky enough to fly and easy enough to catch / get away from that enough ships have a shot of killing it that it's still good at getting fights, as opposed to something like, say, a Curse, which a substantial number of ships simply can't engage solo.

I think this is a troll thread.

Most people use it to kite because its incredibly good and it lacks the three mids required for close range. The hull design would've been for being able to plate up heavily, to have a great frontline brawler that isn't slow as mud, but this design has been exploited much better in creating kite stuff.

Once CCP gets off their duff and recognizes that all ships need a minimum of 3 midslots, or that there needs to be some common options to deal with kites, we will see more brawl slicers appear because kiting won't be king.

The massive lows, the optimal bonus, and the ship agility/mass could've been designed to create a brawler that is plated heavily and uses -50% range ammo to achieve high damage and high defense in the thick of it, and I believe that was the original intent, however, with kiting being much less risky, and with the ship's abilities also working well for kiting, that's what it's used for.

Honestly if it were me, I'd be designing all ships to have a minimum of 4 mids for armor tanks, 4 lows for shield tanks, and then +1 in the tank section, to allow a reasonable selection of cap batteries, cap boosters, ewar or ewar support, etc.

Who ever uses small cap batteries? Nerf the fitting requirements of them heavily, down to about 3:2, then add a midslot, suddenly people will start using them. Most small/micro stuff doesn't get used because there isn't enough slots. I suppose if you min/maxed some ship and only had 3 pg and 10 cpu left, a micro shield/cap boost or a 50mm plate would do it, but these would be very rare fits because there has to be some synergy for that empty mid/low to be effective fitted with a minor improvement. At the same time, the ability to fit such minor improvements would be great for EvE because fine tuning ships leads to more consistently equal fights. That's why I approve of more mids for armor tanks and more lows for shield tanks.

What I might then do is cut the CPU and/or PG a tiny bit for ships, to force some downgrading from 200-400mm plate to 100mm, or the use of upgrade rigs or mods to achieve fitting that much armor.

Slicer is good.

You can try to scram it, but while you're chasing it it will apply lots of dps.

When scrammed, it will apply even more dps unless you have a web or ab to build up angular velocity.

Nastiest counter is a tracking disrupter.

Navy Slicer and Navy Comet are really good ship.

The first a very fast kiter with good dps, and the second a monster dps brawler.