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Isotobe Caldari Singularity.	Posted - 2006.11.17 16:51:00 - [31] Edited by: Isotobe on 17/11/2006 16:52:12 Originally by: Stella Centauri Edited by: Stella Centauri on 16/11/2006 23:12:00 I suppose Black-sun are getting a bit desperate in their fighting for whatever they fight for. This is the third time we see them do this: Linkage I dont know if it's just me, but that kindof ****es me off.. And yet they didnt manage to catch me, only lower my fps quite a bit Black Suns have always been that desperate. Usually they just join the nearest alliance when things heat up, then leave when things quieten down. Then rinse & repeat as above. The honor bit make me laugh hard. A few TSDS I have seen first hand also seem very found of Ctrl + Q Real shame imo I still remember when TSDS were proud and honorable. (Edited for spelling)
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.11.17 16:56:00 - [32] Originally by: Isotobe Real shame imo I still remember when TSDS were proud and honorable. Indeed, TSDS came to us for a NAP a few months ago and then several weeks later began shooting blue (but I see they have done this with a number of people), quite irritating but they've pretty much lost all respect/honor that they had once gained for themselves.
aim9xcite Gallente The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.11.17 17:23:00 - [33] Edited by: aim9xcite on 17/11/2006 17:23:45 while i dont speak for the actions of any of our alliance members it seems very dishounarable for people to suddenly start bashing us because of this post. imo this post should not have even been allowed as it does nothing but breed hate and discontent towards TSDS and that is just what spontaneous and redelite want, and they are most certainly dragging all the haters out of the woodwork. long ago before this particular exploit became an exploit it was done to cause covert ops to decloak if they came to close to a can. now it is an exploit, so we cant do it. as for redelite and his gang last we saw them they were in G5, assah area and suddenly they turn up in j-ay and start messing with us ( guess ushra khan was to much as they now own most of that area). this is between us and them and not HOW and Exuro Mortis and the rest of EVE. we have been shot at by blues before to. Lotka Volterra took it upon themselves to come and gank several of our battleships and they were still blue. Then we got the mail they no longer wanted to be friendly. as for PMAS we were friends with them solely based on the fact that Black Sun were friendly with them. when BS no longer wanted standings that friendship ended as do many across eve. we arent special and we dont play this game much different then most corps or alliances. now can we take this battle to the game and stop the forum wars as that proves absolutely nothing as i know its about the glory of killing your enemy on the battlefield not bashing them on the forums. or is it??? saddest day in EVE by far is when my sec rating went positive..(but not anymore)......giggles
BobGhengisKhan Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.17 17:36:00 - [34] Originally by: aim9xcite Edited by: aim9xcite on 17/11/2006 17:23:45 while i dont speak for the actions of any of our alliance members it seems very dishounarable for people to suddenly start bashing us because of this post. imo this post should not have even been allowed as it does nothing but breed hate and discontent towards TSDS and that is just what spontaneous and redelite want, and they are most certainly dragging all the haters out of the woodwork. long ago before this particular exploit became an exploit it was done to cause covert ops to decloak if they came to close to a can. now it is an exploit, so we cant do it. as for redelite and his gang last we saw them they were in G5, assah area and suddenly they turn up in j-ay and start messing with us ( guess ushra khan was to much as they now own most of that area). this is between us and them and not HOW and Exuro Mortis and the rest of EVE. we have been shot at by blues before to. Lotka Volterra took it upon themselves to come and gank several of our battleships and they were still blue. Then we got the mail they no longer wanted to be friendly. as for PMAS we were friends with them solely based on the fact that Black Sun were friendly with them. when BS no longer wanted standings that friendship ended as do many across eve. we arent special and we dont play this game much different then most corps or alliances. now can we take this battle to the game and stop the forum wars as that proves absolutely nothing as i know its about the glory of killing your enemy on the battlefield not bashing them on the forums. or is it??? You exploited... what do you expect? If you don't want to be the ****holes of eve, don't exploit. Pretty simple, eh?
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.11.17 17:37:00 - [35] Originally by: aim9xcite Edited by: aim9xcite on 17/11/2006 17:23:45 while i dont speak for the actions of any of our alliance members it seems very dishounarable for people to suddenly start bashing us because of this post. imo this post should not have even been allowed as it does nothing but breed hate and discontent towards TSDS and that is just what spontaneous and redelite want, and they are most certainly dragging all the haters out of the woodwork. By that reasoning half the threads in this forum shouldn't be allowed then.
zykerx Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.11.17 23:13:00 - [36] black sun backstabbed us we been blue a long time, with geminate gooing were not much active at stain, wich had a few carebear chars left. black sun told us we would always be blue and always welcom there they changed there mind and without telling they start shooting us while we still had them blue, thats lame if they had asked us we would have gotten the last pmas players at stain out and sold oure stuff cheap to them to thank them for there help there. we diddnt had any pvpers there to help defending that space so we totally understand why they diddnt want us there anymore (as all pvers at geminate ) its tobad always liked the dutchies wil be funn when we got time to visit stain again, killing people like that gives a speciaal good feeling
aim9xcite Gallente The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.11.18 11:44:00 - [37] Edited by: aim9xcite on 18/11/2006 11:46:37 Originally by: BobGhengisKhan You exploited... what do you expect? If you don't want to be the **holes of eve, don't exploit. Pretty simple, eh? lets not even get in to AAA and their exploitation of the complex that cost them very dearly. i didnt see to many people bashing them or calling them *holes or the scum of eve and all that. possibly because more then one person in this post benefited from the MONTHS of exploiting the game. everytime you put up a cyno field and dock you are exploiting a known game bug that ccp hasnt fixed yet. so before you all go off on ya'lls high rockers because you see this as a chance to forum bash an alliance most of you all dont know look at yourselves your corp and your alliances because you all do it at some point you just dont get banned for it. as for PMAS if you had pretty much left the area why not just say so take down your two POS's that we destroyed and leave if the rest of your alliance wasnt around to protect your property. we sent a mail just wasnt the kind of warning most expect. btw stella what were you doing at that gate when most of your buddies had left you already? because as far as i see it if you had left with the rest of your gang it wouldnt have been an issue now would it? come back and play just try not to run when you see a capital ship saddest day in EVE by far is when my sec rating went positive..(but not anymore)......giggles*
Stella Centauri Spontaneous Defenestration	Posted - 2006.11.18 13:18:00 - [38] Edited by: Stella Centauri on 18/11/2006 13:23:12 Edited by: Stella Centauri on 18/11/2006 13:19:51 Originally by: aim9xcite Edited by: aim9xcite on 18/11/2006 11:46:37 Originally by: BobGhengisKhan You exploited... what do you expect? If you don't want to be the **holes of eve, don't exploit. Pretty simple, eh? lets not even get in to AAA and their exploitation of the complex that cost them very dearly. i didnt see to many people bashing them or calling them **holes or the scum of eve and all that. possibly because more then one person in this post benefited from the MONTHS of exploiting the game. everytime you put up a cyno field and dock you are exploiting a known game bug that ccp hasnt fixed yet. so before you all go off on ya'lls high rockers because you see this as a chance to forum bash an alliance most of you all dont know look at yourselves your corp and your alliances because you all do it at some point you just dont get banned for it. as for PMAS if you had pretty much left the area why not just say so take down your two POS's that we destroyed and leave if the rest of your alliance wasnt around to protect your property. we sent a mail just wasnt the kind of warning most expect. btw stella what were you doing at that gate when most of your buddies had left you already? because as far as i see it if you had left with the rest of your gang it wouldnt have been an issue now would it? come back and play just try not to run when you see a capital ship Once again you completely fail to see the point here, and trying to stay off topic. WTH does AAA have to do with this. Even if they WOULD have been breaching the actual EULA (which IS a contract you sign every single day) they didnt do it to be lame, they tried to make some easy money while it was allowed, which it was. And I did see tons of ppl whining about this, now one person whines at you and you start throwing rocks to try to get peoples attention elsewhere. And for the us fleeing-part. Try not to take the whole day to bring out your kazzillion carriers vs our few-cruiser-gangs. While I'm sure you'd take out your carrier if there was even the slightest chance of you losing it , we chose not to fight them... yet. Oh and ever heard of a little something we like to call "scout"? That might - just might have been the reason to why I was one jump ahead of my gang. If you call that "my gang leaving me" then get a clue. Edit: if I'd have wanted to get back to my gang: you try to get a covops trough that gate
aim9xcite Gallente The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.11.18 13:55:00 - [39] stella you guys had 6 count em 4 thanatos 1 archon and 1 nidhoggur in a4 last week plus support. we brought 3 carriers 2 thanatos and 1 archon which is mine plus 3 dreadnoughts. we killed some of your support and you ducked back to j-a. everytime we see you guys you are either at a safe or docked ive never actually seen you guys face to face in battle since this little tiff got started. makes me want to go back to the days of old stain and curse. if you come to wq you cry when we blob. what do you expect its one of our home systems. you bring 4 people to a system that has 10 plus people in it gank a few ratters and then run away. you arent there to pvp your there to grief pretty much. now if you guys want to claim victory and say you are winning this fight do it face to face or actually fight not turn tail and run when we bring bigger ships or more people. what do expect "well they brough 5 people so only 5 of our guys need to undock so this is fair". what world do you live in really? and yes i have heard of a scout. been around this game for almost 3 years now and have seent he steady decline in hounorable fighting and tactics. no it wasnt lame to hoard a complex for several months except the fact that they new the boss spawning every hour or so might have been a little suspicious. they used it to their advantage and their gain and got banned. our guys did something that gave them the advantage over you and the fact that you were cloaked to kill you. they got banned for it. but would it have been different if they were all sitting there with 30 drones out doing the same thing? no drones arent an exploit but they do cause a huge amount of lag and they can decloak you just as easy. saddest day in EVE by far is when my sec rating went positive..(but not anymore)......giggles
TruthKeeper The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.11.18 14:06:00 - [40] Blah blah blah And Blah blah blah To sum it up, Stella Centauri was tryin' to steal a cargo can at gate and she earned her spontaneous defenestration. To all the other forum whiners who posted in this thread: come to Stain, I wait you all.
Stella Centauri Spontaneous Defenestration	Posted - 2006.11.18 14:31:00 - [41] Edited by: Stella Centauri on 18/11/2006 14:33:23 Originally by: TruthKeeper Blah blah blah And Blah blah blah To sum it up, Stella Centauri was tryin' to steal a cargo can at gate and she earned her spontaneous defenestration. To all the other forum whiners who posted in this thread: come to Stain, I wait you all. Best reply so far from you guys, it ends here! And I'd like to apologize to all the honorable TSDS's that do fight legit for making you look bad. And tell aim that he's got lots of words he doesnt know what to do with.
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.18 14:40:00 - [42] sad very sad... petition them w1n, lame tards like this should be banned. High-Sec/0.0 PvP Recruitment
Gats Amarr Black-Sun The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:34:00 - [43] Edited by: Gats on 19/11/2006 21:38:09 is this the cry section ? just put it in the carecup \|__\|- ps : every time before i log in i read the EULA ,..just to refresh my mem
wost	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:24:00 - [44] Edited by: wost on 19/11/2006 22:30:39 sorry posted with alt
scorpion007 Black-Sun The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:31:00 - [45] hehe .. stella .. you're funny .. Nice action indeed when you invaded A4 but when we showed an equal military force to counters yours.. you RUN and stay docked.. and it took around half an hour to bring all the capitals ready and in the system ..And for the Pmass/roadkill/whatever guyz .. there was a mail sent to your CEO stating the change of the standings .. so don't come crying ..It was a very fun and nice relation we had before.. OMG i just posted on the forum .. my protective bubble against the forumwarriors is gone .. ohnoeeees .. Beam me up scotty ^^
RiotRick Black-Sun The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.11.20 08:56:00 - [46] Edited by: RiotRick on 20/11/2006 08:57:03 Ok, have you guys read the EULA??? I'll copy/paste the sections that seem relevant here: Quote: B. By CCP for Breach or Misconduct i. Suspension of Account Without limiting CCP's rights or remedies, CCP may immediately, and without notice, discontinue or suspend access to the System through your Account, and any and all other Accounts that share the name, phone number, e-mail address, internet protocol address or credit card number with the discontinued or suspended Account, in the event of (i) a breach of the EULA (including the Rules of Conduct) by you or any user under your Account; or (ii) unauthorized access to the System or use of the Game by you or any user under your Account. Quote: 7. CONDUCT A. Specifically Restricted Conduct Your continued access to the System and license to play the Game is subject to proper conduct. Without limiting CCP's rights to control the Game environment, and the conduct of the players within that environment, CCP prohibits the following practices that CCP has determined detract from the overall user experience of the users playing the Game: 1. You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System. 2. You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played. 3. You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game. 4. You may not use the Software, or any information accessible through the System, to bypass the System login architecture or create or provide any other means through which the System may be accessed and/or the Game may be played by others, as, for example, through server emulators. 5. You may not engage in any conduct that results in an Account containing items, objects, currency, character attributes, rank, or status that are inappropriate for the level or rank of the character contained in the Account, including without limitation arranging, making or accepting transfers of items to a character without adequate consideration, thereby augmenting or aggregating items in an Account and increasing its value for an Account sale. The EULA also refers to an online version of the rules of conduct which can be found here: http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/terms.asp The only relevant section seems to be: Quote: 22. You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website. Where is the bug list??? Quote: 24. CCP reserves the right to close, temporarily or permanently, any userÆs account without advance notice as we deem necessary. Furthermore, we reserve the right to delete all user accounts or inventory of characters as warranted. Quote: 25. We reserve the right to ban any user from the game without refund or compensation. Ok, now please tell me, where does it say one cannot drop about 20 cans?? I sure cannot find it....
Mr Vrix Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.11.20 09:17:00 - [47] I tried to refrain from posting, maybe should have really :). Had really good relations with BS and TSBS whilst up and around Western Stain. Main reason, we where almost the only force up in Western Stain, whilst the rest of the alliance where doing their stuff up and around DSS,so the help we gave each other was very much mutual. I do not see it as much whining about what happened, heck Eve is like that, and there have been much bigger turn arounds than this little one. I think it was the out of the Blue aspect.Literally! Personally I just feel I have lost a little bit of what home used to be like with you guys, so look at it that way rather than the backstab line of thought. From what I saw, BS where there to help when needed, and where prepared to send out help when I needed it. Anyone saying they exploit to much, and sat giggling at them atm, obviously does not know all the corp. GL in any endevours you have around there, and see you when we return, which we of course will do
Trooper B99 Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.20 11:05:00 - [48] Originally by: RiotRick Ok, now please tell me, where does it say one cannot drop about 20 cans?? I sure cannot find it.... Personally, I can remember when they changed can jetting from infnite to on a 2 minute timer because people were can spamming loads of cans at gates to induce lag for people on warp ins. However the EULA is kinda airy-fairy so here's the things telling you you cannot drop the cans like that. Terms of Service Originally by: Terms of Service #15 You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules. This includes, but is not limited to, making inappropriate use of any public channels within the game and/or intentionally creating excessive latency (lag) by dumping cargo containers, corpses or other items in the game world GM Eldini Originally by: GM Eldini on can spam Cans are for storeage. They are not to be used for anything tactical. This does not mean that you can eject 20 cans at a gate if they contain some ammo. . Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106 PvP Tournament Semi-Finalist - 2006 FanFest
Midgard Onslaught Black-Sun The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.11.20 11:16:00 - [49] Edited by: Midgard Onslaught on 20/11/2006 11:17:17 And please do remind, this has gone to a discussion about the rules in the EULA, not a childish yes/no spam action on the forum. To just keep it mature. for BOTH sides. I'm not biased. --- I'm a newb, so sue me. and i'll see your white paled face, pants hanging 4 inches above your ankles, white shirt with pizza-stained ass in court.
RiotRick Black-Sun The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.11.20 11:47:00 - [50] Edited by: RiotRick on 20/11/2006 11:52:20 Edited by: RiotRick on 20/11/2006 11:51:16 Originally by: Trooper B99 Originally by: RiotRick Ok, now please tell me, where does it say one cannot drop about 20 cans?? I sure cannot find it.... Personally, I can remember when they changed can jetting from infnite to on a 2 minute timer because people were can spamming loads of cans at gates to induce lag for people on warp ins. However the EULA is kinda airy-fairy so here's the things telling you you cannot drop the cans like that. I personally can't remember the jet-can change, since it's always been this way since i've joined eve ;-) But it seems a note about cans is indeed in the terms of service, should have read that better then. The text however is a bit vague Quote: This includes, but is not limited to, making inappropriate use of any public channels within the game and/or intentionally creating excessive latency (lag) by dumping cargo containers "Intentionally creating excessive lag"; are 20ish cans indeed creating excessive lag? If we'd have the 13 pilots out there all with 5 drones in space (which we didn't), wouldn't that have created much more lag? Looking at it from a different perspective: "intentionally creating excessive lag". That's not even what we did. We put the cans there to decloak a cloaked ship, not to create lag. But then again it does say Quote: This includes, but is not limited to, That could just as well mean having lots of drones in space or even eating an apple while jumping through a stargate for that matter. It doesn't specify anything. Originally by: Trooper B99 GM Eldini Originally by: GM Eldini on can spam Cans are for storeage. They are not to be used for anything tactical. This does not mean that you can eject 20 cans at a gate if they contain some ammo. Ok I have read this GM's response from a link in this topic. This response clears things up a bit, but you can't expect everyone to read all topics on the forums. Noone in our gang had seen that topic before this event. All in all, now we know this is considered an exploit, but at that time we didn't. You can be sure this was one-time onlyÖ thing. We'll be happy to pod you guys with different tactics

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