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Loki Sotken Dropbears Anonymous Brave Collective 2	Posted - 2015.06.01 13:01:46 - [31] - Quote Rarely do I agree with NoobMan, but in this he is right. No need to be bitter, the soul of EVE is in it's player generated content. No doubt the logs are shady as **** if real, but QEX have shown themselves competent and built something for themselves, even if others suffered for it. Politics is a big part of what makes this world, and without conflict, content isn't generated. Good work to QEX for building their empire, and hats off to the little guys this weekend for standing up and playing the game.
Ridvanson 38	Posted - 2015.06.01 13:03:34 - [32] - Quote NoobMan wrote: TurboX3 wrote: What this says to me, is that MaxDEL is a very good, strong & passionate leader & cares about his corp / alliance & EVE. But when playing this game for so long we all get to that stage... Have we done everything, is it time to quit? Pretty much what I got out of it after reading it. To all the people still complaining about the "renting". Max and QEX have built an empire. It's a sand box... If you want to build something huge and have the power/will to do it then why not? If you want to form a coalition against the spooky Russians then do it. When the Russian's allies come to aid them don't be surprised! This sandbox game has this thing called "Politics" one of my favorite parts and the most interesting thing in Eve to me. Spend less time time complaining and being bitter and go do something to make a difference. PvPing is pretty fun if you haven't tried it. It's a bit funny to see you guys sweet talking these wrong doings (account sharing, facilitating RMT), while you're the first to jump anyone that would suggest a mechanic that aloud people to jump clone into their home systems, because it breaks hole control and lets people save their stuff etc. What do you think account sharing does? It gives someone manpower he shouldn't have and it lets other people log in for you to save your stuff, when you cannot do it yourself. Guess there is a double standard for everything. You guys keep fighting the good fight o7
NoobMan Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens 165	Posted - 2015.06.01 13:15:10 - [33] - Quote Ridvanson wrote: It's a bit funny to see you guys sweet talking these wrong doings (account sharing, facilitating RMT), while you're the first to jump anyone that would suggest a mechanic that aloud people to jump clone into their home systems, because it breaks hole control and lets people save their stuff etc. What do you think account sharing does? It gives someone manpower he shouldn't have and it lets other people log in for you to save your stuff, when you cannot do it yourself. Guess there is a double standard for everything. You guys keep fighting the good fight o7 What is funny to me is people whiteknighting and pitchforking about the EULA like its some sacred holy text. This thread sounds like a inquisition. You are referring to what I said about a jump clone module inside a WH and how it should be able to be reinforced or disabled. Seems like something that would match the other game mechanics. I think jumping cloning into a wh would be sweet. As long as there is a counter to it that can be attacked or defended. People that have been playing ever for years make friendships, and when friends quit eve they give thier friends thier accounts and thier stuff. Speeding on a highway is illegal, but people still do it. Got to break a few eggs to make an omelet. Operations Director of Hard K(n)ocks Inc.
Kelron Renalard Know your Role EON Alliance 0	Posted - 2015.06.01 13:43:42 - [34] - Quote NoobMan wrote: [quote=Ridvanson] What is funny to me is people whiteknighting and pitchforking about the EULA like its some sacred holy text. The EULA is the sacred holy text. They are the Rules we alle need to obey. The Rules which are the foundation of our community. The Rules which you signed and promised to obey and if you don't obey them CCP has the obligation to kick you out of the game.
Sten Taxi 13. Enigma Project 10	Posted - 2015.06.01 13:53:32 - [35] - Quote NoobMan wrote: People that have been playing ever for years make friendships, and when friends quit eve they give thier friends thier accounts and thier stuff. Speeding on a highway is illegal, but people still do it. Got to break a few eggs to make an omelet. Seems maxDEL and his band of elite ~800mm warriors~ tried speeding on highways one time too many, now these accounts should get banned, if the evidence turns out to be legitimate.
TrippleHead Quantum Explosion E X P L O S I O N 10	Posted - 2015.06.01 13:55:40 - [36] - Quote Kelron Renalard wrote: NoobMan wrote: [quote=Ridvanson] What is funny to me is people whiteknighting and pitchforking about the EULA like its some sacred holy text. The EULA is the sacred holy text. They are the Rules we alle need to obey. The Rules which are the foundation of our community. The Rules which you signed and promised to obey and if you don't obey them CCP has the obligation to kick you out of the game. just QEX of all time made the game content is more than the developers themselves (this is my personal opinion) - start from murder crabs by shield capitals (now all fly on our fits and use refit), small capital fights ... We organized the first biggest fight in the history of W-Space, organized a mass evictions. Last year, our achievements are not so large (compared to LZHKs and HK, because everything depends on one person - MaxDEL). But I think the theft of password character is not a crime to developers burned only Russian PVP-active corporation in the game
muhadin Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 193	Posted - 2015.06.01 14:00:25 - [37] - Quote It's possible for good pvp groups to still live in c5/c6 space. The groups that have been forced out over the last 6 months are just primarily krabs with a side helping of PVP and we are better off without them. There are still lots of groups willing to brave the elements and the risks. If there isn't a chance for QEX/HK/LZHK invading you, where is the fun in that? There is no fun without risk. We all work with the game mechanics we are given, and this honestly is the natural progression of wspace. Large groups need income, and theres lots of income sources from wspace. Renting income is actually very little isk compared to other methods, it takes advantage of your reputation for a price. Theres nothing wrong with it as long as you are fine with less targets yourself. In the end people should be thanking qex for making wspace more interesting. Without them, and without the other leaders high class wspace as a whole would be a mess full of carebears doing very little large scale content. "Love the Life you Live, Live the Life you Love"
Khun Maa The One Percentile 14	Posted - 2015.06.01 14:01:45 - [38] - Quote QEX account shares and get 500b stolen - hahahahaha Trying to come up with a plan to get assets back by threatening to quit - hahahahahahahahahhaahhahahaahahahhahahahahaha what a bunch of sad people
Carlos Agathon Grumpy Bastards No Response 20	Posted - 2015.06.01 14:03:59 - [39] - Quote TrippleHead wrote: But I think the theft of password character is not a crime to developers burned only Russian PVP-active corporation in the game Would it be considered burglary if I hand you the key to my house? What has your nationality and playstyle got to do with CCP enforcing their EULA?
Rosal Milag Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2015.06.01 14:25:38 - [40] - Quote And what happens if the theft was done by a trusted member of the Corp? Why would theft by account sharing be any less overlooked than director level theft? If they are account sharing, ban the accounts involved. Thief and victim. If it was a hack, reimburse. From what has been described, as far as CCP knows, Max could have transfered the assets to someone and 'claimed' theft.
Hidden Fremen Lazerhawks 611	Posted - 2015.06.01 14:26:45 - [41] - Quote ITT At least the Dairy Coalition did something about their beliefs in game. You're all in here just making sads.
Lloyd Roses Artificial Memories 1072	Posted - 2015.06.01 14:26:49 - [42] - Quote Please no leave QEX :( You were the spiritual momma to my scangu. Edit: Hidden Fremen wrote: ITT At least the Dairy Coalition did something about their beliefs in game. You're all in here just making sads. The popularity of the phrase has made accusing opponents of crab mentality a common form of defense against criticism, whether the criticism is valid or not. Aye, captain o7
Colonel Tosh Swamphole Inc. Swamphole 12	Posted - 2015.06.01 14:37:57 - [43] - Quote Carlos Agathon wrote: TrippleHead wrote: But I think the theft of password character is not a crime to developers burned only Russian PVP-active corporation in the game Would it be considered burglary if I hand you the key to my house? What has your nationality and playstyle got to do with CCP enforcing their EULA? Technically you could still be prosecuted for something such as that as it would still be regarded as breaking and entering into computer systems or anything related to it. If I were to be a social engineer and con my way into knowing your information to access your bank account, would I then be less criminal if I'd pull your account empty? NoobMan wrote: To all the people still complaining about the "renting". Max and QEX have built an empire. It's a sand box... If you want to build something huge and have the power/will to do it then why not? If you want to form a coalition against the spooky Russians then do it. When the Russian's allies come to aid them don't be surprised! This sandbox game has this thing called "Politics" one of my favorite parts and the most interesting thing in Eve to me. Spend less time time complaining and being bitter and go do something to make a difference. PvPing is pretty fun if you haven't tried it. I think it's an inherent part of EVE that people voice their opinion, how flawed it may be. Both sides are guilty of that in a fight, just like the "Krab Republic" mocked and moaned at QEX/LZHX/HK, so does LZHX when they complain people call batphones against their "friends". Yes HiddenFremen, I am looking at you. As for the renting, I have nothing against MaxDEL's hard work to try and build an empire, but as with many people I am not happy that it ends up going at the expense of possibly good groups just so they can dominate some space, all while account sharing to boot. It's the sheer principle of offering rentable systems to corporations in w-space that I dislike, as it would turn our awesome gameplay into another 0.0 boring blue donut. I came to wormhole space to enjoy a NASI policy (Not Alliance Shoot It), but I will band together with people if the very core of wormhole space as I percieve it is threatened by one or more groups. Sadly my presence at the moment is really limited, but who knows in a few months =)
TrippleHead Quantum Explosion E X P L O S I O N 13	Posted - 2015.06.01 14:42:38 - [44] - Quote you can write anything you like - has been a month and GM / CCP did his job already
epicurus ataraxia Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude 1645	Posted - 2015.06.01 14:58:17 - [45] - Quote So many issues raised here. It is very sad to see someone burn out through so much effort whether one agrees with the corporate philosophy or not. It is sad when one's allies are publicly humiliated, and ones's true view of them is published, of course this could be a mistake in translation and they are actually held in respect. I am sure it will lead to frank conversations between the parties. Whilst RMT is discussed, I do not see this being directly admitted in the transcript, we should not jump to assumptions. The only real issue raised is if a false claim was made for reinbursement. Only the involved parties and now CCP know for sure whether they claimed to be hacked when they knew the loss was due to account sharing. This transcript was not available to CCP at the time, and they will likely revisit their judgement and decide accordingly. CCP will take whatever action they see fit, It is not for us to bring out the pitchforks, as either way, it does not give QEX an in game advantage other than allowing the return of assets . CCP do not like their systems and customer service being abused to take advantage of their good will though. Account sharing of course does allow maximisation in the use of accounts, and again, that is for CCP to decide if it needs action. The EULA does indicate they are not in favour of it. QEX, Laserhawks, and Hard knocks, are playing the game in an entirely valid way, one may like it, or not. One may believe it is harmful to the game, or not. These are issues outside of this thread. To be dealt with in other forum posts, or in game. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Colonel Tosh Swamphole Inc. Swamphole 13	Posted - 2015.06.01 14:59:04 - [46] - Quote TrippleHead wrote: you can write anything you like - has been a month and GM / CCP did his job already True, However, if the recordings are deemed credible by CCP it could result in an additional investigation into account sharing and rumoured RMT. Just because they handled the situation first, doesn't mean they won't change their mind later on.
TrippleHead Quantum Explosion E X P L O S I O N 14	Posted - 2015.06.01 15:17:55 - [47] - Quote Crabs can not kill us physically in the game, so try to do it legally relying on stolen record of the meeting (not the fact that it is ours). Go on, go on. Everyone knows what happens to those who we do not like Maybe your prayers will be heard, CCP will ban all WH-PVP corporations and will come a paradise for crabs.
Krios Arody Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 14	Posted - 2015.06.01 15:26:23 - [48] - Quote TrippleHead wrote: Crabs can not kill us physically in the game, so try to do it legally relying on stolen record of the meeting (not the fact that it is ours). Go on, go on. Everyone knows what happens to those who we do not like Maybe your prayers will be heard, CCP will ban all WH-PVP corporations and will come a paradise for crabs. Friend. Intention is not to kill anyone legally. Intention is to show your true intentions regarding the W-space and let the community judge. We don't care about you bending the rules. For the sake of credibility of the translation it had to be complete and include the confessed transgressions.
Sten Taxi 13. Enigma Project 13	Posted - 2015.06.01 15:29:50 - [49] - Quote TrippleHead wrote: relying on stolen record of the meeting Thanks for confirming it's authenticity
TrippleHead Quantum Explosion E X P L O S I O N 14	Posted - 2015.06.01 15:31:03 - [50] - Quote so please, just write your real gaming nickname, rat.
Sebastian Arata Packet Lost 0	Posted - 2015.06.01 15:33:23 - [51] - Quote NoobMan wrote: What is funny to me is people whiteknighting and pitchforking about the EULA like its some sacred holy text. This thread sounds like a inquisition. You are referring to what I said about a jump clone module inside a WH and how it should be able to be reinforced or disabled. Seems like something that would match the other game mechanics. I think jumping cloning into a wh would be sweet. As long as there is a counter to it that can be attacked or defended. People that have been playing ever for years make friendships, and when friends quit eve they give thier friends thier accounts and thier stuff. Speeding on a highway is illegal, but people still do it. Got to break a few eggs to make an omelet. Yoou right it may not be a holy text but it is a legal document and thus you have to obey the entirety of said document. And as far as I know people get fined for speeding so your argument there is invalid. It is a risk/reward problem and sometimes you come out on the wrong side. You must live with the choices you make. As for the renting and or Empire building aspect I have no problem with that. That is an ingame action that players can fight or accept ingame as they see fit. But don't come and play by a different set of rules to the rest of EVE. Sorry the last bit is not directly related to your post.
Lucuso Andedare Lazerhawks 0	Posted - 2015.06.01 15:36:42 - [52] - Quote Never knew EVE had so many space lawyers....
Rena Senn Middle-aged pony tail 144	Posted - 2015.06.01 15:39:20 - [53] - Quote NoobMan wrote: TurboX3 wrote: What this says to me, is that MaxDEL is a very good, strong & passionate leader & cares about his corp / alliance & EVE. But when playing this game for so long we all get to that stage... Have we done everything, is it time to quit? Pretty much what I got out of it after reading it. To all the people still complaining about the "renting". Max and QEX have built an empire. It's a sand box... If you want to build something huge and have the power/will to do it then why not? If you want to form a coalition against the spooky Russians then do it. When the Russian's allies come to aid them don't be surprised! This sandbox game has this thing called "Politics" one of my favorite parts and the most interesting thing in Eve to me. Spend less time time complaining and being bitter and go do something to make a difference. PvPing is pretty fun if you haven't tried it. You, as a leader of a wormhole powerhouse, are in the rare position of actually being able to shape the w-space landscape to an extreme extent through your personal actions. Sure, some scrub tier daytripper might one day rise to be your political equal and form a coalition all on his own to successfully challenge the spooky Russians, but right now you're already at the pinnacle. How your alliance plays, who your alliance fights, and who your alliance befriends, those choices are up to you. And you chose to get in bed with Russian slumlords. Long live the WHCFC.
Ridvanson 40	Posted - 2015.06.01 15:40:56 - [54] - Quote TrippleHead wrote: Maybe your prayers will be heard, CCP will ban all WH-PVP corporations and will come a paradise for crabs. You guys already made it a paradise for crabs (= yourself, your rentners, LZHX, HK), MaxDEL said it himself.
Gregor Noobius The Desolate Order Brave Collective 9	Posted - 2015.06.01 15:54:22 - [55] - Quote i sexually identify as a carebear and i find all the hate offensive
Lloyd Roses Artificial Memories 1074	Posted - 2015.06.01 16:02:49 - [56] - Quote Lucuso Andedare wrote: Never knew EVE had so many space lawyers.... There are spots on earth where you don't need a don't dry your pet animals in the microwave sign.
epicurus ataraxia Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude 1645	Posted - 2015.06.01 16:11:13 - [57] - Quote Lloyd Roses wrote: Lucuso Andedare wrote: Never knew EVE had so many space lawyers.... There are spots on earth where you don't need a don't dry your pet animals in the microwave sign. Coffee is hot? Wow I never knew! Thank heavens for lawyers! There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Juliet Chastot Syndicate Depository Affirmative. 0	Posted - 2015.06.01 16:32:53 - [58] - Quote TrippleHead wrote: Crabs can not kill us physically in the game, so try to do it legally relying on stolen record of the meeting (not the fact that it is ours). Go on, go on. Everyone knows what happens to those who we do not like Maybe your prayers will be heard, CCP will ban all WH-PVP corporations and will come a paradise for crabs. if you read the translation of the recording - MaxDEL anyway what will happen next - He took this game - he killed all of you, and evicted more than once, and you are still waiting for the anomaly. It doesn't need to be done by anyone else, you guys hang yourselves on your own.
Rengas AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 429	Posted - 2015.06.01 16:50:19 - [59] - Quote The salt towards QEX was amusing at first. Now it's just embarrassing.
Ridvanson 43	Posted - 2015.06.01 17:03:47 - [60] - Quote Rengas wrote: The salt towards QEX was amusing at first. Now it's just embarrassing. Why, they have been quite charitable with their pile of salt themselves. It's only fair that they get some of it back

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