It's clear you've never hunted.

I know, adding a modicum more risk to the second most rewarding space is horrible, right? You should be able to bear in peace whilst watching netflix.....

Who gives a **** about null sec ratters? Why aren't we talking about the impacts of perfect local intel on all the other aspects of pvp in Kspace? Make all local chats in Kspace like Wspace, and make locator agents work only once every two hours or so. People talk about wanting to make EVE big again, well this would be a giant leap forward in that direction.

You are hunting people who dont want to pvp.

You are incorrect. The mechanics are stacked against the farmer.

Scenario 1 - You dont catch the farmer. You lose nothing, he loses nothing.
Scenario 2 - You catch the farmer. You lose nothing, he loses his ship

Who gives a **** about null sec ratters? Why aren't we talking about the impacts of perfect local intel on all the other aspects of pvp in Kspace? Make all local chats in Kspace like Wspace, and make locator agents work only once every two hours or so. People talk about wanting to make EVE big again, well this would be a giant leap forward in that direction.

I've enjoyed watching people complain about the fact that they can't catch someone who is watching local and reacts within 5 seconds in one sentence, and in the next make some snide remark about AFK farmers.

Then for these people this is the wrong game. If you do not want to PVP, you do not undock. It's that simple.

Wrong,
Scenario 1 - You don't catch the farmer and have wasted precious time as well as alerted the local forces to your presence. At that point the ball is in the court of the defender, whom is able to decide if they bring an escalation or not.

So let me ask you a simple question.

Do you believe it is balanced in the most general sense of the word to be able to see a player entering your system without visual / dscan confirmation, before that player him/herself has even loaded grid?

No, the game is wrong. If one thing needs fixing its that people should be able to efficiently bear while in pvp fit ships. Expecting people to just have to sit there and lose ship after ship to some of the worst pvpers in the game just because they cant warp quick enough even if they were paying attention, is a horrible notion.

I am sorry, I simply can't take you serious anymore.

Then for these people this is the wrong game. If you do not want to PVP, you do not undock. It's that simple.



Wrong,
Scenario 1 - You don't catch the farmer and have wasted precious time as well as alerted the local forces to your presence. At that point the ball is in the court of the defender, whom is able to decide if they bring an escalation or not.



EVE in itself is already large enough, and it'll get worse for content if you completely remove local from non-wormhole space. That said, I do think that each level of "security" needs to be tiered in the effectiveness of local, as to benefit the PVP as a whole.

In the end it works in favour of both sides. The aggressor has a slightly better chance at catching someone in an anomaly, while the defenders will be able to bring reinforcements without instantly alerting the aggressor. It allows both sides to be more aware and focused on their game. If you're not semi-active bearing while watching netflix, you won't have a problem with a small change that helps the cutthroat mentality of 0.0 to come back.

Why? thats your argument, layed bare. And a fix for the actual problem rather than what you mistakenly see as a problem.

Dude, it's THEIR game to play any way they want. You just think that everyone should play by your rules.
There are people who ONLY trade in stations. People who ONLY mine. Manufacturers, inventers, haulers, People who JUST HAUL, imagine that.. If everyone only played YOUR game, you wouldn't have a ship to fly. Nor ammo to shoot from it.
I'd bet that these type players add up to a large percentage of EVE.

Your argument is that the game is "wrong" yet meanwhile you're ignoring that even the CCP devs have repeatedly said that PVP is an integral part of EVE. You're so focused on keeping the carebear motives up, that you ignore the fundamental basis of the game. That is the problem that we're stumbling over together and which is also why I no longer can take you serious.

The second you press undock, you consent to PVP. If you're unwilling to PVP and need a deterrent to be "safe" from most hunters, you should be living in high-sec space. Yes, that might result in a few less targets in nullsec but frankly it doesn't hurt it at all. People who seek absolute security in order to do their PVE, shouldn't be playing in space that's lawless (hence 0.0 security). You get warnings, you get notified and yet people go there to just bear.

If you are unwilling to accept that aspect of EVE, you throw away a vast part of the core gameplay.

You are correct that I do not dictate the direction of the game and I do not ever wish to ever say or think I do.
But while you're right that not everyone is into PVP, the fact of the matter is that each player venturing into low/null knows exactly what they are getting into. If they do not appreciate that, they either stay in high-sec or they move on to other ventures.

My point is that the mechanics for farming are wrong. You like the fact that there are defenseless farmers for you to try and gank. You dont like how easily they can evade your gank if they are paying attention so you want CCP to make the game easier for you leading to more effortless one sided 'pvp' engagements.

You cannot make people fight.

Im saying that pve needs fixing (and many steps have already been taken) to allow people to bear while still capable of defending themselves to the extent that their ship fitted for pvp will allow. This opens up an option for the bear to choose to fight if he likes his chances rather than the current meta where almost any bear will have to run due to a fit unsuitable for pvp.

You clearly know more about what eve is about that i do. It seems that i was unaware that the scourge of people making isk so they can pvp is running amok in nullsec. Taunting you by warping away from certain death at the hands of 50 terrible holers thus avoiding what would have been a glorious pvp experience for all involved lol.

I think everyone knows that. Changing the rules so they dont have enough time to escape isnt the same as 'null sec is dangerous', its akin to 'nullsec is certain death regardless of how vigilant you are'.

I'll stop answering your arguments Crosi because you're blissfully ignoring the meaning of my points, and just grasp at ways to justify bear-secure space. Have a wonderful day, and enjoy your time in EVE =)

Who gives a **** about null sec ratters? Why aren't we talking about the impacts of perfect local intel on all the other aspects of pvp in Kspace? Make all local chats in Kspace like Wspace, and make locator agents work only once every two hours or so. People talk about wanting to make EVE big again, well this would be a giant leap forward in that direction.

Who gives a **** about null sec ratters? Why aren't we talking about the impacts of perfect local intel on all the other aspects of pvp in Kspace? Make all local chats in Kspace like Wspace, and make locator agents work only once every two hours or so. People talk about wanting to make EVE big again, well this would be a giant leap forward in that direction.

Who gives a **** about null sec ratters? Why aren't we talking about the impacts of perfect local intel on all the other aspects of pvp in Kspace? Make all local chats in Kspace like Wspace, and make locator agents work only once every two hours or so. People talk about wanting to make EVE big again, well this would be a giant leap forward in that direction.

So let me ask you a simple question.

Do you believe it is balanced in the most general sense of the word to be able to see a player entering your system without visual / dscan confirmation, before that player him/herself has even loaded grid?

A long but effort filled response.

I think you are misunderstanding the idea that increased risk is not being the same as guaranteed tackle. Yes, my motivation to post started with some after effects of botting Russians, but essentially I've always felt that 0.0 security space offers too much security for "supposedly" the most cutthroat area of EVE.

I think you are misunderstanding the idea that increased risk is not being the same as guaranteed tackle. Yes, my motivation to post started with some after effects of botting Russians, but essentially I've always felt that 0.0 security space offers too much security for "supposedly" the most cutthroat area of EVE.

On that topic, wormholers always brag about 1 bil/hour. This is clearly too much reward for the risk they take. The nullbears running anoms are lucky to get 80m isk/hour.

This thread is now about how Colonel Tosh and his alt afkalt's income in wormholes is far too high and needs to be nerfed. In his own words, its quite rare that anyone comes to gank him.

Nobody has even mentioned the fact that ratters may already be tackled by rats, and may already be taking agro from 5 to 30 rats. Many of them may be at half shields when you catch them.