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Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 7041	Posted - 2015.06.03 00:36:21 - [1] - Quote Pilots; Agents of Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries and associated explorers have penetrated a new J-sig system through a Sleeper/Drifter-stabilized wormhole. The system, J174618, is dominated by a beacon identified as a 'Redoubt,' which we successfully infiltrated. Camera drone footage is included from General Stargazer, Haria Haritimado, Xindi Kraid, Jaret Victorian, and Lucas Raholan. The linked images were collected over the course of a long-duration mission and illustrate various unknown structures and structure configurations. The foremost of these is an as-yet-unidentified structure known as a 'Redoubt Hive,' guarded by an as-yet-unseen Drifter identified as a 'Hikanta Tyrannos.' There is an associated 'Redoubt Vault,' which we were unable to penetrate. Pilot Haritimado reports that the vault required that it have an object placed into it to access the vault; we suspect that this is an access key possessed by the Drifters or Sleepers in this facility. Pilots Stargazer, Victorian, Raholan, and McGhee engaged the Tyrannos directly, but were unable to destroy the vessel despite spirited efforts. Pilots will notice the appearance of the corpse of Hilen Tukoss. We regret to report that we were unable to retrieve his corpse for autopsy or investigation. Given the appearance of the wreckage and gas, we can only assume this structure is the one at which Tukoss's Buzzard was destroyed. We have no theory as to why his medclone failed to activate, or whether he could possibly have his mindstate captured by the Vigilant Tyrannos via an as-yet-unknown method of interdiction. IKAME is dedicated to further investigation of this facility, and will be making another effort in coming days. We will provide more information as we attempt a second penetration of the primary system facility. My thanks to the pilots who have contributed to this point, alphabetically listed: General Stargazer Haria Haritimado Jaret Victorian Lucas Raholan Luis Norelius Maxemillian Caldera Sebastian Melmoth Vaporizer McGhee Xindi Kraid Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Mark726 Project Compass Holdings 184	Posted - 2015.06.03 00:45:02 - [2] - Quote While I'm saddened by his loss, I'm glad we have some bit of closure on the Doctor. Thank you for your efforts in probing these new systems. I look forward to further discoveries and research. Author, EVE Travel Author, EVE Lore Survival Guide
Charles Cambridge Schmidt Dutch East Querious Company Phoebe Freeport Republic 68	Posted - 2015.06.03 00:46:06 - [3] - Quote Many thanks for putting forth the effort and guts to take on the questions a lot of us had. Tukoss' loss is... very regrettable. Hopefully, though, the information you've gleamed and that further capsuleers will find will honor his loss.
Jaret Victorian Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 131	Posted - 2015.06.03 00:59:55 - [4] - Quote Ms. Priano did point out the fact that Dr. Tukoss' med clone failed to activate, apparently. So, I made a decision to self destruct my capsule right near his body... In retrospect this was kind of ********, but... My medclonde did activate. When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
Sinjin Mokk Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 136	Posted - 2015.06.03 01:00:21 - [5] - Quote A job well done to all concerned. Please be very, VERY careful from now on when near CONCORD/DED areas of control. Dark Amarr: Rumors!
Xindi Kraid Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 947	Posted - 2015.06.03 01:03:00 - [6] - Quote A not, unexpected outcome to be fair.
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1570	Posted - 2015.06.03 01:04:21 - [7] - Quote It's curious that the drifters didn't harvest his body. They do that with other capsuleers, don't they? "Embrace those who would learn, defeat those who would make mockery of God's way. Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away." -- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur
Sinjin Mokk Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 136	Posted - 2015.06.03 01:06:53 - [8] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: It's curious that the drifters didn't harvest his body. They do that with other capsuleers, don't they? Like someone wanted him to be found? Or like a trap? Dark Amarr: Rumors!
Lucas Raholan Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 138	Posted - 2015.06.03 01:09:00 - [9] - Quote I can only start by commending Makoto for her excellent expedition leadership as well as all other fleet members for their dedication to our efforts that, with god blessing will bring better understand on what we face. The experience of being involved in such a expedition that will help spread light on this currently unknown entity called the Drifter forces of which are currently posing a very real, and very urgent threat to our entire cluster. The discovery of Dr Tukoss's remains throws greater shadow over this upcoming storm we face. May god protect us all when it comes Lord Raholan `I'm secretly a unicorn that Sh**ts fairy dust and sings all day-á`
Siobhan MacLeary Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters Ocularis Inferno 203	Posted - 2015.06.03 01:16:47 - [10] - Quote Requiescat in pace, Dr. Tukoss. May the stars guide you home. GÇ£Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.GÇ¥ - CCP Soundwave
Vaporizer McGhee Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises 3	Posted - 2015.06.03 01:16:48 - [11] - Quote I'm very glad to have been a part of it. It was a definite good time. In due time, more answers shall come.
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises 18699	Posted - 2015.06.03 01:19:35 - [12] - Quote It is unfortunate that I was unable to attend the exploratory group; I am very interested to see the outcome and consequences of us having found the Hives and Dr. Tukoss. I'll be closely following this, and I hope to involve myself more deeply. "Great Work!" to all involved. "A City made of Dreams...is built in heaven" - GÖâ- GPƒ *U-Ç+¬ß¦ç-ƒ's Sß¦¢ß¦Å-Ç-Å*
Esna Pitoojee Offworld Trading Company Ethical Carnage 499	Posted - 2015.06.03 01:19:38 - [13] - Quote Before anyone goes into maximum-panic mode, I would like remind everyone here that Hillen Tukoss explicitly confirmed he utilized backup clones to handle situations where he might be killed and the neural burner-capsule-clone system be unavailable or nonfunctional. It's more likely that a backup has not triggered since his death was not confirmed, to avoid CONCORD retaliation associated with multiple active clone usage. Hopefully the efforts of these brave pilots will result in a confirmation of either his death or survival, one way or another.
Sinjin Mokk Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 137	Posted - 2015.06.03 01:56:17 - [14] - Quote Esna Pitoojee wrote: Before anyone goes into maximum-panic mode, I would like remind everyone here that Hillen Tukoss explicitly confirmed he utilized backup clones to handle situations where he might be killed and the neural burner-capsule-clone system be unavailable or nonfunctional. It's more likely that a backup has not triggered since his death was not confirmed, to avoid CONCORD retaliation associated with multiple active clone usage. Hopefully the efforts of these brave pilots will result in a confirmation of either his death or survival, one way or another. Having been a subject of CONCORD's hesitation to double-activate a clone, this makes perfect sense. Given their recent behavior, it is also likely that they don't want to re-activate his clone. Dark Amarr: Rumors!
Quattras Peione SUPREME MATHEMATICS A Band Apart. 96	Posted - 2015.06.03 02:16:36 - [15] - Quote That's a brave - if foolish - thing you did, pilot Victorian. You've spared me the effort and risk of performing that same experiment. Dr. Tukoss' sacrifice should serve as a reminder to all of us - both of the dangers inherent in pushing the boundaries of science, and the imperative to do just that. His memory is honored. Dr. Quattras Alvar Peione No, I'm not that kind of doctor.
Tyrel Toov Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan 444	Posted - 2015.06.03 02:26:18 - [16] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: It's curious that the drifters didn't harvest his body. They do that with other capsuleers, don't they? It's possible that his body was to badly damaged by the engagement to be suitable for harvesting... or they thought he would make a good proverbial "head on a spike" to ward off unwanted visitors. Or both. I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Maxemillian Caldera Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 9	Posted - 2015.06.03 03:21:52 - [17] - Quote I'm quit glad you guys were able to to the end, I was upset I had to run off to deal with some business. Looking forward to infiltrating it once again.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 1711	Posted - 2015.06.03 04:27:01 - [18] - Quote It's good to see confirmation that Tukoss encountered a redoubtable force that sent his corpse Drifting.
Trii Seo 732	Posted - 2015.06.03 07:39:36 - [19] - Quote This makes... little sense at best. The king is dead, long live the king! Glory to Maximilian Singularity the Sixth, First of his Name!
Leopold Caine Stillwater Corporation 548	Posted - 2015.06.03 07:56:06 - [20] - Quote Curiosity, cat. What else to say. Sinjin Mokk wrote: A job well done to all concerned. Please be very, VERY careful from now on when near CONCORD/DED areas of control. Oh my, you wouldn't imply Our Protectors, CONCORD The Righteous And Infallible might take the intrepid explorers into custody? Scandalous. Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim Angels are never far... Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc
Frenjo Borkstar Viziam 70	Posted - 2015.06.03 08:17:03 - [21] - Quote I am currently broadcasing from J055520, the system containing the Sentinel complex. You can find images here. Finding Tukoss' body at least gives us some closure. I've found exactly the same thing at this Sentinel complex, albeit slightly renamed to a "Sentinel Hive" and a "Sentinel Vault", I couldn't penetrate the defensive systems, and several Drifters did try to kill me, but I did escape intact. I'm glad we're all working together here. Thanks for the assistance: Rob Kaichin, and Monkey 13th. Dr. Frenjo Borkstar, Project Lead for Arek'Jaalan's Project Salus.
Inslander Wessette Killers of Paranoid Souls Universal Paranoia Alliance 21	Posted - 2015.06.03 08:41:16 - [22] - Quote Could you confirm how many jumps the explorers had to take b4 for making to J174618 from the U-Knw entrance ? Was there any sight of the massive drifter force covered in Hilen's footage ? The loss of Hilen Tukoss is sad new. Hopefully we will avenge his loss against this superior and mysterious drifter force. There are more mysteries to these unidentified wormholes now that capsuleer's can enter it. -How are they connected ? -Do all unidentified wormholes in new eden have access to the same cluster of wormholes ? Is this how the "caroline star" anomaly was visible all over new eden ? -Could the sansha have knowledge of these wormholes before they had appeared to the capsuleers ? -was Thera part of this cluster and actually got severed from the cluster due to the supernova ? -By reverse engineering drifter technology we can now influence structures using the entosis module . We merely have stolen this technology, what if the owners of this technology start influencing our structures and use it for their own mass production? They seem to attack capsuleers with the entosis technology already . I hope DED/SOE have some reassuring news. Gr8 job guys .
Corraidhin Farsaidh Farsaidh's Freeborn 1193	Posted - 2015.06.03 09:07:26 - [23] - Quote Hmmm, they didn't take the Jove bodies? Either they would bring the Jove disease with them or they simply don't want them. The classification of one of the structures as a Hive concerns me. Is this coincidence or is it possible we are dealing with some as yet unknown form of sentient drones? Either way we still do not know if the Drifters are hostile towards us or not as yet.
Feu dAstres Nox Draconum Holding Corp Nox Draconum 49	Posted - 2015.06.03 10:17:06 - [24] - Quote So ... in all the rush to go and see, did anyone try to communicate with the entities in the newly-accessed systems?
Lucas Raholan Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 140	Posted - 2015.06.03 11:07:30 - [25] - Quote Feu dAstres wrote: So ... in all the rush to go and see, did anyone try to communicate with the entities in the newly-accessed systems? Given that all Sleeper and Drifter forces violently engaged us upon the moment we arrived I feel that attempting communication would have proved a waste of time and resources `I'm secretly a unicorn that Sh**ts fairy dust and sings all day-á`
Corraidhin Farsaidh Farsaidh's Freeborn 1193	Posted - 2015.06.03 11:25:57 - [26] - Quote Lucas Raholan wrote: Feu dAstres wrote: So ... in all the rush to go and see, did anyone try to communicate with the entities in the newly-accessed systems? Given that all Sleeper and Drifter forces violently engaged us upon the moment we arrived I feel that attempting communication would have proved a waste of time and resources How very dare they. Shooting at people popping up in their armed camp. Anyone would think they felt threatened. Next time stay cloaked and try hailing them perhaps?
Jaret Victorian Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 132	Posted - 2015.06.03 11:54:43 - [27] - Quote Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote: Lucas Raholan wrote: Given that all Sleeper and Drifter forces violently engaged us upon the moment we arrived I feel that attempting communication would have proved a waste of time and resources How very dare they. Shooting at people popping up in their armed camp. Anyone would think they felt threatened. Next time stay cloaked and try hailing them perhaps? You know, we did try to communicate with them when they showed up in our space, multiple times. Ended up shooting each other, so I guess they don't want to talk to us. Mr. Wessette, Was there any sight of the massive drifter force covered in Hilen's footage ? No, not near the Hive, and not in the system. I can note, though, that Sleeper Drones, Circadian Seekers and Drifters were working together, guarding the complexes. -How are they connected? The system had some wormhole connections. Some of them were to k-space, some - to Anoikis. C2 connection, if I remember correct. When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1573	Posted - 2015.06.03 11:57:33 - [28] - Quote Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote: Lucas Raholan wrote: Feu dAstres wrote: So ... in all the rush to go and see, did anyone try to communicate with the entities in the newly-accessed systems? Given that all Sleeper and Drifter forces violently engaged us upon the moment we arrived I feel that attempting communication would have proved a waste of time and resources How very dare they. Shooting at people popping up in their armed camp. Anyone would think they felt threatened. Next time stay cloaked and try hailing them perhaps? We go in their space and people say it's okay for them to shoot us. But when they come in our space, people demand that we don't shoot them. No matter what, apparently we are always the aggressors and the drifters are always the victims. Whose side are you on? "Embrace those who would learn, defeat those who would make mockery of God's way. Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away." -- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur
Corraidhin Farsaidh Farsaidh's Freeborn 1193	Posted - 2015.06.03 12:30:43 - [29] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote: Lucas Raholan wrote: Feu dAstres wrote: So ... in all the rush to go and see, did anyone try to communicate with the entities in the newly-accessed systems? Given that all Sleeper and Drifter forces violently engaged us upon the moment we arrived I feel that attempting communication would have proved a waste of time and resources How very dare they. Shooting at people popping up in their armed camp. Anyone would think they felt threatened. Next time stay cloaked and try hailing them perhaps? We go in their space and people say it's okay for them to shoot us. But when they come in our space, people demand that we don't shoot them. No matter what, apparently we are always the aggressors and the drifters are always the victims. Whose side are you on? They have never yet fired upon me when I've gone past them numerous times at several gates. In open space they have been completely neutral towards me and therefore I have no reason to assume they are aggressive as yet. However should a group of 'explorers' turn up at a station of mine and begin poking around without permission I'd take a pretty dim view of it... I have taken no side yet as I have yet to determine the intentions of the Drifters. Should they prove dangerous to innocent civilians of the Empires then I will act against them. Until then I stock up in case.
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1574	Posted - 2015.06.03 12:38:31 - [30] - Quote Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote: However should a group of 'explorers' turn up at a station of mine and begin poking around without permission I'd take a pretty dim view of it... This is exactly what they have been doing to us. "Embrace those who would learn, defeat those who would make mockery of God's way. Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away." -- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur
Mizhir Matari Exodus The Camel Empire 74404	Posted - 2015.06.03 13:20:40 - [31] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: Pilots will notice the appearance of the corpse of Hilen Tukoss. We regret to report that we were unable to retrieve his corpse for autopsy or investigation. .... We have no theory as to why his medclone failed to activate, or whether he could possibly have his mindstate captured by the Vigilant Tyrannos via an as-yet-unknown method of interdiction. That is a shame. I hope that his death will not be in vain. May his spirit find eternal balance. I am still surprised that they haven't harvested his corpse and the medclone activation failure worries me even more. Could it be that they have been more interested in his consciousness than his body? That though scares me even more. One Man Crew - Collective Solo PVP - Video is out!
Soldarius Naliao Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore 1295	Posted - 2015.06.03 13:33:25 - [32] - Quote While the discovery of Dr. Tukoss' body is not unexpected considering the message that Scope released recently, I am rather surprised that Drifters have left all those corpses floating around. I can think of 4 reasons why those corpses would not have been harvested. The corpses are unsuitable and have been rejected for some reason or various reasons. Drifters have found a better or more preferable source of corpses. The Drifters have no need for more corpses. They are a message left for others, as one person said, like a head on a pike. #1 denotes a weakness in the Drifter biology that could potentially be exploited if we can determine what is unsuitable about those corpses. #2 seems most likely to me in that we as capsuleers are more than happy to throw ourselves into the grinder for "reasons", thus leaving behind an ample supply of easily retrieved corpses. #3 This is very troubling to me in that it could mean that they have fulfilled their requirements for bodies. So now what? #4 This denotes an understanding of the psychology of fear-tactics. But since we as capsuleers generally have nothing to fear aside from the occasional cloning accident, I'm not so sure how effective this would be. In this case, head-on-a-pike would be demonstrative of a rather flawed understanding of capsuleer society. So I'm not so sure this is the correct choice. At the moment, I am left wondering how long the Drifter harvesting of bodies from Sleeper Enclaves has been going on, if they have indeed been harvesting them. Another option that occured to me is that the Drifters are Sleepers in new bodies made expressly to replace the old bodies that were destroyed in the early days of w-space exploration. http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Karmilla Strife Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 304	Posted - 2015.06.03 13:57:20 - [33] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: the corpse of Hilen Tukoss. This just made my day. That man was a thief and a traitor to his people. He deserved what he got.
Aria Jenneth Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 843	Posted - 2015.06.03 14:22:54 - [34] - Quote So ... maybe I'm just forgetting or missing something, but if Tukoss is dead ... (1) Why didn't the Drifters collect his body? They've been collecting ours. (2) Where did those messages he seemed to have sent come from?
Lunarisse Aspenstar Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 365	Posted - 2015.06.03 14:25:03 - [35] - Quote Aria Jenneth wrote: So ... maybe I'm just forgetting or missing something, but if Tukoss is dead ... (1) Why didn't the Drifters collect his body? They've been collecting ours. (2) Where did those messages he seemed to have sent come from? (1) Who would want it? the body of a traitor goes to the dust from wence he sprung, unwept, unhonored and unsung. (2) Good question.
iyammarrok Ultramar Independent Contracting 263	Posted - 2015.06.03 15:31:32 - [36] - Quote one of his messages hinted that he might return to Site One in a 'stolen ---er vessel' ... Most assumed that he meant Sleeper, I'm not so certain. his clone hasn't activated because his infomorph data was intercepted and uploaded. while he may believe that he has stolen a drifter vessel, my biggest concern is that he has yet to realise that he now IS one of them. if that is the case, they now likely know as much as they need to about us. Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Olivandar Nova The Daedalus Consortium 0	Posted - 2015.06.03 16:03:51 - [37] - Quote As many of you have noted, Hilen Tukoss' in death did not have his infomorph data uploaded to a new clone. This is perhaps the most troubling turn of events for us capsuleers. The Empires will war, and bring the cumbersome but collectively powerful machines of war to bare on a collective threat to the stability and most importantly border lines that divide New Eden. An enemy of my enemy may be enough for the empires to align to the defence of the greater good. However, we are capsuleers. We are an empire unto our own, and our key to power is our immortality. If the reactivation of Dr Tukoss' clone is simply a matter of the Concord controls on multiple clone activation, then this can now be readily resolved by confirming KIA rather than MIA. It was alluded earlier in this conversation however that Concord, with their somewhat clandestine manoeuvring of late regarding the recent Drifter, SOE and Eifyr and Co, may indeed be consciously repressing the activation of Dr Tukoss. I have theories on this, but this is not the arena to discuss them. What is troubling is this... From scarce information we have on the Drifters, and the Tyrannos, we can assume they are of Jovian ancestry. Likely this reincarnation of the Jove is in fact the result of a Schism within the Jove culture before our empires were even capable of space flight, and that we are witnessing the emergence, or perhaps reclaiming, of a Jove Empire by the denomination that turned to technology to upload their consciousness to attain unbound freedom from death, time and bodily limitation, rather than the Jove denomination we are familiar with that relied on genetic alteration and that brought us the technology we as capsuleers depend on. If this is true, and the Tyrannos are indeed of Jove ancestry, it is very likely possible that the Dr Tukoss' infomorph stream was intercepted by the Tyrannos and either destroyed, uploaded or stored. There is precedent for this. The Empress Jamyl Sarum, against Amarrian royal code, allowed herself to be reactivated via a clone. However, it is known amongst those high in the Theology Council that there was a severe delay in the infomorph transmission between the time of death and the activation. It is still unclear to these sources the reason, however, if we take into account Jamyl Sarums increasingly eratic, some may say dual, character, it may be entirely possible that the transmission was infact intercepted or co-opted by the Tyrannos. It is also potentially viable that a host consciousness piggy-backed the infomorph transmission before being uploaded to a clone of Jamyl Sarum. So i pose this, the death of Dr Tukoss is a much graver warning than we have first realised. It is a possible warning, intentional or not, that us capsuleers are, for the first time, in mortal danger. I am sure going foward that Concord, or perhaps the Inner Circle will comment, but whether they acknowledge this theory is entirely up for debate.
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1577	Posted - 2015.06.03 16:11:59 - [38] - Quote The "infomorph stream" is connected to the destination site via quantum entanglement. It is not possible to "intercept" it. You either have the second half of the quantum pair, or you don't. Which means that if it was intercepted or terminated by anyone, it was most likely by something human, at the station where Tukoss had his clone destination set to. The only ones with the ability to manipulate a clone transfer is whoever has the second half of the quantum pair, which is usually going to be the cloning facility. And Mr. Nova, Her Imperial Majesty is not a clone. She had no infomorph transmission to be delayed. You are making a lot of assumptions. "Embrace those who would learn, defeat those who would make mockery of God's way. Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away." -- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur
Valerie Valate Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik 784	Posted - 2015.06.03 16:50:57 - [39] - Quote There is another possibility. One which should be of some concern. That is, that there is a way, to remotely override a capsule, in such a way as to prevent the normal functions that would trigger the neural scanner. That is, disabling self-destruct, and disabling the automatic triggering of the neural scanner. If the Drifters can remotely subvert a capsule, then capsuleers choosing to engage them, should be prepared to use any methods to stop themselves or their comrades being taken alive by the Drifters. Doctor Valerie Valate, archaeologist. Not the other Doctor Valerie Valate.
iyammarrok Ultramar Independent Contracting 265	Posted - 2015.06.03 16:59:43 - [40] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: The "infomorph stream" is connected to the destination site via quantum entanglement. It is not possible to "intercept" it. You either have the second half of the quantum pair, or you don't. Which means that if it was intercepted or terminated by anyone, it was most likely by something human, at the station where Tukoss had his clone destination set to. The only ones with the ability to manipulate a clone transfer is whoever has the second half of the quantum pair, which is usually going to be the cloning facility. And Mr. Nova, Her Imperial Majesty is not a clone. She had no infomorph transmission to be delayed. You are making a lot of assumptions. It is not supposed to be possible, but we cannot be certain of this. and yes, she is a clone. she has never denied this either. or do you think she came back from having her ship and pod exploded some other way hmmm? Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1577	Posted - 2015.06.03 17:27:31 - [41] - Quote She might have. Or she may not have actually been in the pod when it detonated. If she were a clone, she would not have been made empress, so she cannot be one. "Embrace those who would learn, defeat those who would make mockery of God's way. Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away." -- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur
Sahriah BloodStone Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum 100	Posted - 2015.06.03 17:29:01 - [42] - Quote Firstly, good work to all those involved. It is good to see initiative being taken in these matters. Secondly, I must share the concerns of others in regards to Hilen Tukoss's body. Why was it not taken like the others? It does make it seem like he was supposed to be found dead. I wonder if it was possible for them to have captured his capsule, cloned him and then destroyed his old body to make him appear dead. Regardless, these sites warrant more investigation to be sure. "Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
Jaret Victorian Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 132	Posted - 2015.06.03 17:44:46 - [43] - Quote Olivandar Nova wrote: There is precedent for this. The Empress Jamyl Sarum, against Amarrian royal code, allowed herself to be reactivated via a clone. However, it is known amongst those high in the Theology Council that there was a severe delay in the infomorph transmission between the time of death and the activation. It is still unclear to these sources the reason, however, if we take into account Jamyl Sarums increasingly eratic, some may say dual, character, it may be entirely possible that the transmission was infact intercepted or co-opted by the Tyrannos. It is also potentially viable that a host consciousness piggy-backed the infomorph transmission before being uploaded to a clone of Jamyl Sarum. Wow, now, that's something I would hear in a pleasure hub in lowsec near Amarr space. When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
iyammarrok Ultramar Independent Contracting 265	Posted - 2015.06.03 17:51:47 - [44] - Quote if she followed orthodox methodology she wouldn't have been made empress once her champion lost the battle. She re-wrote those rules when she returned Samira. you have a capsuleer, and a clone, for an empress. Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Natheniel Mostly Sober The Bastard Cartel 2	Posted - 2015.06.03 17:53:13 - [45] - Quote Olivandar Nova wrote: There is precedent for this. The Empress Jamyl Sarum, against Amarrian royal code, allowed herself to be reactivated via a clone. However, it is known amongst those high in the Theology Council that there was a severe delay in the infomorph transmission between the time of death and the activation. It is still unclear to these sources the reason, however, if we take into account Jamyl Sarums increasingly eratic, some may say dual, character, it may be entirely possible that the transmission was infact intercepted or co-opted by the Tyrannos. It is also potentially viable that a host consciousness piggy-backed the infomorph transmission before being uploaded to a clone of Jamyl Sarum. Could you please provide your source information on this? There h as been speculation for some time about her being a clone due to what happened, its a reasonable assumption but you sound like you have hard proof to have knowledge of the process of cloning that occurred. It would be of great help to those who wish to know what really happened to have something solid to go off of. "Life is as a storm, one must be prepared for the hardship and scorn. But with in this is a light, one for which we must fight. For hope is our weapon and our dreams are our shield. When fully armed we can not be felled from the field."
Jaret Victorian Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 132	Posted - 2015.06.03 17:54:43 - [46] - Quote iyammarrok wrote: if she followed orthodox methodology she wouldn't have been made empress once her champion lost the battle. She re-wrote those rules when she returned Samira. you have a capsuleer, and a clone, for an empress. ...from some inflated Amarr money bag with wrinkles and fancy titles who is salty that his family is not at the top of the food chain. Are you the new messiah? When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
Claudia Osyn Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan 1240	Posted - 2015.06.03 20:31:40 - [47] - Quote Natheniel wrote: Olivandar Nova wrote: There is precedent for this. The Empress Jamyl Sarum, against Amarrian royal code, allowed herself to be reactivated via a clone. However, it is known amongst those high in the Theology Council that there was a severe delay in the infomorph transmission between the time of death and the activation. It is still unclear to these sources the reason, however, if we take into account Jamyl Sarums increasingly eratic, some may say dual, character, it may be entirely possible that the transmission was infact intercepted or co-opted by the Tyrannos. It is also potentially viable that a host consciousness piggy-backed the infomorph transmission before being uploaded to a clone of Jamyl Sarum. Could you please provide your source information on this? There h as been speculation for some time about her being a clone due to what happened, its a reasonable assumption but you sound like you have hard proof to have knowledge of the process of cloning that occurred. It would be of great help to those who wish to know what really happened to have something solid to go off of. I was the one who activated her clone. I'm not allowed to tell you that though.... The lack of money is the root of all evil.
Malleus Karris Karris Family 0	Posted - 2015.06.03 20:47:10 - [48] - Quote iyammarrok wrote: and yes, she is a clone. she has never denied this either. or do you think she came back from having her ship and pod exploded some other way hmmm? We know there is the Entosis Link. We know that this technology projects a consciousness into a database. Perhaps similar technology could be used to passively download a consciousness. In this sense, cloning in the method usually associated with a capsuleer's death and rebirth is circumvented. Also, consider this. While the flesh of the Heirs is sacred, it is possible this method was used to create a 'duplicate' that attended the succession rituals. In this way the Empress could have 'died' while still protecting the sacred flesh. Or, if the body of the Empress were recovered and repaired via other technologies the sacred flesh would also be preserved. Regardless of the method, the Empress returned to save the Empire. She has been recognized as Empress by the Empire. This is all that matters.
Daaaain Aliastra Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2015.06.04 02:07:47 - [49] - Quote I knew this fellow in a bar, he claimed that he infiltrated P.I.E. To acces their database to search for the missing body of the Empress. He learned that the body ended in the hands of the empyrean champion that represented her in the contest. He claimed to have evidence of this and was going to sell it to the Sabiks, ... Silas... If my memory don't fail me...but was betrayed and ridiculed. He bable about this for hours ....he claimed the body destroyed in the explosion was cloned in a similar fashion as dust bunnies.. I use to find him entertaining specially after the fifth drink when he started reciting poems in Amarrian.... Good times..
Soren Tyrhanos PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 81	Posted - 2015.06.04 05:04:06 - [50] - Quote Daaaain wrote: I knew this fellow in a bar, he claimed that he infiltrated P.I.E. To acces their database to search for the missing body of the Empress. He learned that the body ended in the hands of the empyrean champion that represented her in the contest. He claimed to have evidence of this and was going to sell it to the Sabiks, ... Silas... If my memory don't fail me...but was betrayed and ridiculed. He bable about this for hours ....he claimed the body destroyed in the explosion was cloned in a similar fashion as dust bunnies.. I use to find him entertaining specially after the fifth drink when he started reciting poems in Amarrian.... Good times.. There is no evidence to even suggest technology resembling that used in common cloned soldiers was even possible to fabricate, let alone existed, prior to YC 112.
Altrue Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective 1792	Posted - 2015.06.04 07:32:47 - [51] - Quote Exploration Frontier Inc has successfully completed an exploration expedition in Conflux. Today at around 00:10. Adopted strategy against Drifter vessels: Having gone to the conclusion that there is no reliable way to avoid losses facing Drifters, we decided to minimize human an financial casualties by simply ignoring them. They did not receive any damages and their attacks were promptly countered by our Ospreys. I must warn you however that, maybe by poor luck, one of our pilots reported that the Drifter once managed to land a hit that was 3 times more powerful than an usual Drifter volley. Such event makes a decent shield or armor buffer mandatory, even with formidable reactivity from your logistics. After Action Report from the Conflux: The Caracal Fleet with Osprey support had to split in two groups. Capsuleers with remarkable hacking skills were able to open us the way without the need for any specialised ship, as they were in standard Ospreys outfitted with a Data Analyzer II. The security of the Conflux was quite impressive, as everytime we managed to unlock something through haking, it would be locked again in a matter of minutes. It should also be noted that one group was only able to unlock the way for the opposite group, forcing both group to progress through the site in parallel, following a strict timing. Sadly, one group failed to identify the console that would open the final acceleration gate for the other group. As we had no knowledge of the layout of the Conflux, they did not realize that they were about to reach the Conflux Hive before it was too late. Therefore, only 40% of the fleet managed to reach the Hive. It consisted in a circular structure of an estimated 120km size. Along with the sleeper drone protection that every part of the Conflux had, we noticed a Drifter named "Hikanta Tyrannos", seemingly guarding a structure named "Conflux Vault". We engaged Hikanta Tyrannos and proceeded to destroy his vessel, loosing a ship in the process. It was quite a surprise however, when we realized that his remains contained a Vidette Index. A quick analysis revealed that it is some sort of key, but not the one we were looking for, as it was unable to open the Conflux Vault. Therefore, having nothing left to do, I ordered the fleet to leave the system. Signature Tanking Best Tanking Exploration Frontier Inc [Ex-F] CEO - BRAVE - Eve-guides.fr
iyammarrok Ultramar Independent Contracting 266	Posted - 2015.06.04 09:08:52 - [52] - Quote Jaret Victorian wrote: iyammarrok wrote: if she followed orthodox methodology she wouldn't have been made empress once her champion lost the battle. She re-wrote those rules when she returned Samira. you have a capsuleer, and a clone, for an empress. ...from some inflated Amarr money bag with wrinkles and fancy titles who is salty that his family is not at the top of the food chain. Are you the new messiah? Wait what? Jaret, I'm Intaki. you seem to be somewhat confused. This face is nowhere near pointy or bald enough to be Vaari Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
iyammarrok Ultramar Independent Contracting 266	Posted - 2015.06.04 09:13:59 - [53] - Quote Altrue, Just a thought, but did you try using the key on the Conflux Hive, if there was one? if it fits the pattern reported earlier in this thread, there may be a chance that a key dropped in one part would open the other side. Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Corraidhin Farsaidh Farsaidh's Freeborn 1197	Posted - 2015.06.04 09:16:23 - [54] - Quote Soren Tyrhanos wrote: Daaaain wrote: I knew this fellow in a bar, he claimed that he infiltrated P.I.E. To acces their database to search for the missing body of the Empress. He learned that the body ended in the hands of the empyrean champion that represented her in the contest. He claimed to have evidence of this and was going to sell it to the Sabiks, ... Silas... If my memory don't fail me...but was betrayed and ridiculed. He bable about this for hours ....he claimed the body destroyed in the explosion was cloned in a similar fashion as dust bunnies.. I use to find him entertaining specially after the fifth drink when he started reciting poems in Amarrian.... Good times.. There is no evidence to even suggest technology resembling that used in common cloned soldiers was even possible to fabricate, let alone existed, prior to YC 112. There was no evidence to even suggest technology resembling that used to create the new starbase shielding systems was even possible to fabricate, let alone existed until a few days ago...
iyammarrok Ultramar Independent Contracting 266	Posted - 2015.06.04 09:28:59 - [55] - Quote Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote: Soren Tyrhanos wrote: There is no evidence to even suggest technology resembling that used in common cloned soldiers was even possible to fabricate, let alone existed, prior to YC 112. There was no evidence to even suggest technology resembling that used to create the new starbase shielding systems was even possible to fabricate, let alone existed until a few days ago... as the scope article said it was based on the proprietary shielding technology used to protect stations and stargates, there was plenty of evidence that it existed. Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Xindi Kraid Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 947	Posted - 2015.06.04 09:30:46 - [56] - Quote Altrue wrote: Exploration Frontier Inc has successfully completed an exploration expedition in Conflux. Today at around 00:10. Adopted strategy against Drifter vessels: Having gone to the conclusion that there is no reliable way to avoid losses facing Drifters, we decided to minimize human an financial casualties by simply ignoring them. They did not receive any damages and their attacks were promptly countered by our Ospreys. I must warn you however that, maybe by poor luck, one of our pilots reported that the Drifter once managed to land a hit that was 3 times more powerful than an usual Drifter volley. Such event makes a decent shield or armor buffer mandatory, even with formidable reactivity from your logistics. The only reliable way we have found to avoid losses is stealthy infiltration. Drifters seem to be immediately aggressive to all targets, but can't fire on a cloaked ship, so we did what we could to sneak through the facility in stealthy ships. It should go without saying, this is something of an expensive option, and does not do anything to solve the problem of Hikanta Quote: We engaged Hikanta Tyrannos and proceeded to destroy his vessel, loosing a ship in the process. It was quite a surprise however, when we realized that his remains contained a Vidette Index. A quick analysis revealed that it is some sort of key, but not the one we were looking for, as it was unable to open the Conflux Vault. Interesting. If other locations similarly don't give out their own keys, then the facilities may be cross locked similar to how each facility itself operates. Given the security measures, the contents must be very valuable to the Drifters.
Cakzad Arcashiri Arcashiri Family 149	Posted - 2015.06.04 13:41:23 - [57] - Quote This is very, very alarming news. This massive collection of Drifter Forces must be destroyed. I would propose the formation of a large Capital and Super-Capital Fleet to destroy this threat before it becomes bigger. We need to access these vaults, and we need to find out what is in them. We also need to destroy this 'Hikanta Tyrannos', and the Redoubt Hive itself if possible. I morn the loss of Hilen Tukoss, but he is just one casualty of many, and many, many more if this threat is not dealt with. Let this be a rallying call to a war. We need to destroy the Drifters before it is too late. "I give to you the destiny of Faith, And you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 22:13
Soldarius Naliao Inc. Test Alliance Please Ignore 1298	Posted - 2015.06.04 13:55:53 - [58] - Quote Despite what I consider a well-versed vocabulary, I had to look up the meaning of vidette. Vidette - noun, a mounted sentry in advance of the outposts of an army. Thus, a vidette index should be a list of Drifter advance scouts. Extremely valuable intel you have there, m8. Share it plox. http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Lucas Raholan Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 143	Posted - 2015.06.05 11:18:32 - [59] - Quote Cakzad Arcashiri wrote: This is very, very alarming news. This massive collection of Drifter Forces must be destroyed. I would propose the formation of a large Capital and Super-Capital Fleet to destroy this threat before it becomes bigger. We need to access these vaults, and we need to find out what is in them. We also need to destroy this 'Hikanta Tyrannos', and the Redoubt Hive itself if possible. I morn the loss of Hilen Tukoss, but he is just one casualty of many, and many, many more if this threat is not dealt with. Let this be a rallying call to a war. We need to destroy the Drifters before it is too late. Afraid to say but looking at the readings taken of the unidentified wormholes seems to indicate that capital vessels are unable to pass through limiting us to the use of sub-capital vessels. Also given the seeming nature of the Drifters as infomorphs similar to ourselves they more then likely simply download to a new body upon 'death' making their destruction infuriatingly difficult. `I'm secretly a unicorn that Sh**ts fairy dust and sings all day-á`
Siddhar Gangari Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan 15	Posted - 2015.06.05 15:20:16 - [60] - Quote Was any data extracted from the structures via entosis link?
Malcolm Faust Soldiers of Cthulhu 16	Posted - 2015.06.05 22:52:46 - [61] - Quote It's always a sad day when a pilot finds himself without a clone. I have spent months quietly searching Anoikis for any sign of him... And then the Caldari removed his rights as a citizen. And his rights to a clone. Not long after, Eifyr and Co., Tukoss' home away from home, was found witholding evidence about communication timing. Which sent Arek'jaalan scrambling to find how, and when, he would appear in K-space. Only to see one red letter day pass after another. After that, I was pretty certain we wouldn't find him alive. I as much as anyone would like to find him alive. But inventing possibilities as to how he could have made it, how he would have been prepared, how it's a blind put on by the Drifters to throw us off the scent, or how the Jove rescued him at the last moment, is only holding us back. We need to move forward, and continue the work Hilen Tukoss started. Unraveling the mysteries of this universe. As always, myself and the Soldiers of Cthulhu will support Arek'jaalan. May Hilen Tukoss find peace.
Max Singularity House Singularity 165	Posted - 2015.06.06 03:35:46 - [62] - Quote The 42 Temples of House Singularity shall ring for an hour heralding the loss of Dr. Tukoss. To the living is say this... Blessed be the Explorers, the Investigators, and especially to those that seek illumination into a dark universe. From ancient texts I recite this... "Do not go gently into the night... Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay, Rage, rage against the dying of the light." Harbinger of Faith his Holiness Maximilian Singularity of the Sixth Empire, Pope of New Eden -First of his name- ((My doctors try to tell me Eve is not real... pffft... I've seen the YouTube Video. Eve is Real))
Korsavius Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 242	Posted - 2015.06.06 21:13:37 - [63] - Quote A congratulations to my former colleague, Makoto Priano, and her associates, is in order. Well done. As for Tukoss, he got what he had coming to him. I don't think people realize the appearance of Drifters happened only after he, or as some theorize an impersonator of he, requested a donation of Jovian body parts to the Arek'Jaalan site in Eram. Had he been turned down by the Electus Matari forces that escorted the stolen Charon he was in, and captured by Ishukone Watch forces, perhaps this all could have been avoided. Your actions can have far-reaching consequences, capsuleers. Gÿ+ Ch+½j+ì Korsavius Gÿ+ (RDC) Intelligence Officer Gÿ+ [I-RED] Director of Human Resources
Luna Hanaya Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 81	Posted - 2015.06.07 00:36:22 - [64] - Quote Poor doctor! I will pray for his soul! (( If you are a roleplayer, or want to learn about roleplay, please join "*Out of Character" and "Intergalactic Summit*" channels in game, Lets show CCP that there are many roleplayers still here, and we want more Live Events!! ))
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 7076	Posted - 2015.06.07 08:50:06 - [65] - Quote Pilots; a brief update from our ongoing operations. The Redoubt exploratory group, in cooperation with the Caldari Independent Navy Reserve, has returned to the Redoubt hive. We successfully cleared the facility, and engaged not one but two Hikanta Tyrannos vessels. The second appeared to reinforce the site some twenty minutes after the first was destroyed. We also have verified that Hilen Tukoss's corpse is now gone. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Demion Samenel Caldari Independent Navy Reserve 56	Posted - 2015.06.07 12:34:47 - [66] - Quote This was under the command of Mrs.Priano an excellent executed operation, IKAME and associates have my respect. Captain Demion Samenel Chief of Diplomatic Staff News blog
Aria Jenneth Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 869	Posted - 2015.06.07 13:01:37 - [67] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: We also have verified that Hilen Tukoss's corpse is now gone. Okay, now this, combined with the question of why the Drifters didn't collect it immediately, begins to sound as though someone showed us all that body on purpose.
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 7078	Posted - 2015.06.07 15:49:59 - [68] - Quote Showed us the body on purpose, or simply hadn't gotten around to the corpse yet. The Vigilant Tyrannos may not engage in the degree of idolization that we do. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Aria Jenneth Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 869	Posted - 2015.06.07 16:17:41 - [69] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: Showed us the body on purpose, or simply hadn't gotten around to the corpse yet. The Vigilant Tyrannos may not engage in the degree of idolization that we do. Hadn't gotten around to it for ... how many months? For at least part of which, they were actively collecting biomass?
Lyn Farel Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 1025	Posted - 2015.06.07 18:14:12 - [70] - Quote If the drifters destroyed his ship, then why not scooping his body, since obviously that body was not disintegrated ? Especially since they rushed on capsuleers bodies once out of Anoikis several months later... And continue to do so, if I am correct. Either that, or Tukoss ship was actually destroyed by someone else... Possibly Sansha ? Or another capsuleer (especially a state capsuleer) ? The implication of the second, as improbable as it sounds, is a bit worrying.
Gorion Wassenar Stimulus Rote Kapelle 92	Posted - 2015.06.07 19:47:20 - [71] - Quote Its certainly been an experience. As for why the body was "displayed" we'll have to do more research. Rote Kapelle - NOW IN SLIGHTLY MORE LAW ABIDING FLAVOR! "DRINK STARSI!" -¬-«GäóOwnership Group Chairman
Corraidhin Farsaidh Farsaidh's Freeborn 1200	Posted - 2015.06.07 22:31:54 - [72] - Quote Another thought on the corpses (setting aside the potential idiocy of invading a Drifter home system and attacking them): If the Drifters are working with the sleepers or are the sleepers then who or what destroyed the sleeper stasis pods and left the corpses there? Why did the Drifters not take them? If it wasn't the Drifters that cracked those tubes then who did? Also Hilen Tukoss mentioned the Drifters seemingly in a state of panic. What the hell would panic them?
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 2227	Posted - 2015.06.08 00:09:31 - [73] - Quote Aria Jenneth wrote: Hadn't gotten around to it for ... how many months? For at least part of which, they were actively collecting biomass? It ... makes sense to try and not read too much into things, but do the Drifters really seem like procrastinators? If anything, since he was maybe the first capsuleer to fall into their hands, it seems like they'd have prioritized his recovery. A much more likely explanation is actually that they weren't collecting biomass (i.e. corpses of capsuleers) at the time, and by the time they got onto collecting biomass the body was space damaged so they ignored it. Remember when on the time line his podding took place, something like a full year ago, the corpse collection was relatively recent and not even the initial seeker appearances were documented as collecting corpses. The same could be true of the sleeper structures, that they raided them for implants or other technology then later discovered the need for additional biomass but had already damaged the corpses by then.
Aria Jenneth Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade 872	Posted - 2015.06.08 01:51:39 - [74] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: A much more likely explanation is actually that they weren't collecting biomass (i.e. corpses of capsuleers) at the time, and by the time they got onto collecting biomass the body was space damaged so they ignored it. Remember when on the time line his podding took place, something like a full year ago, the corpse collection was relatively recent and not even the initial seeker appearances were documented as collecting corpses. The same could be true of the sleeper structures, that they raided them for implants or other technology then later discovered the need for additional biomass but had already damaged the corpses by then. That is possible. But in combination with the probably-fake Tukoss messages, calling for delivery of Jovian remains, and the more recent fragmented ones, which may also have been fake, or else written by something very interesting ... ... can we really say it is a likely coincidence that the Drifters left a very specific frozen corpse adrift in one of their strongholds for a year? That it never drifted further away? That they didn't so much as reel it in to inspect the implants and piloting rig? I'd be interested in people's thoughts on the following assumption set, since it seems to me like the most intriguing of our set of options: 1. Assume that the Tukoss corpse is real, and died when it appears likely it died. 2. Assume that the damaged Tukoss messages are also real.
Steffanie Saissore Tyrathlion Interstellar Rote Kapelle 453	Posted - 2015.06.08 07:31:41 - [75] - Quote I would posit that, given the secure nature of where all those bodies are, the Drifters did not feel a need to harvest the doctor's body immediately. Also, it is quite possible that, after collecting as much information that they have on us to date, that they considered the body as a means to entice us to go into their hive? I am getting the distinct impression that the Drifters, and/or whomever is behind them, is playing a wicked game of spider with us being the fly. Still, congratulations on your operation, Makoto. We travel in the dark of the new moon, A starry highway traced on the map of the sky
Demion Samenel Caldari Independent Navy Reserve 56	Posted - 2015.06.08 08:27:36 - [76] - Quote Steffanie Saissore wrote: I would posit that, given the secure nature of where all those bodies are, the Drifters did not feel a need to harvest the doctor's body immediately. Also, it is quite possible that, after collecting as much information that they have on us to date, that they considered the body as a means to entice us to go into their hive? I am getting the distinct impression that the Drifters, and/or whomever is behind them, is playing a wicked game of spider with us being the fly. Still, congratulations on your operation, Makoto. Of what has been observed, why should the body of Tukoss be anything other than a body. So yes they perhaps did not feel they had to harvest it straight away or just did not care. It seems it was left in space after it was destroyed until more activity increased in the area and his corpse was discovered by IKAME operations. If activity increased in these "Hives" it stands to reason that the areas was cleared out and his body like many others has been collected. Captain Demion Samenel Chief of Diplomatic Staff News blog
Akrasjel Lanate Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance 1784	Posted - 2015.06.08 13:24:34 - [77] - Quote Why you assume the Drifter took his body were you minitoring the site all the time... From what i know your expedition wasn't the only one visiting the site. Akrasjel Lanate Member of Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance Citizen of Solitude
Steffanie Saissore Tyrathlion Interstellar Rote Kapelle 457	Posted - 2015.06.08 13:28:13 - [78] - Quote I have had another thought, based on the theory that some think that a few of Tukoss's broadcasts were made by an impostor. Now, in the last broadcast from Tukoss, we saw a massive fleet of Drifter vessels, yet there was no sign of this fleet in the hive at any point. What if there is not a massive fleet of Drifters? This does not diminish the danger they pose to the Empires or other groups. The reason I ask this question is, in preparing for a strike, it would aid a smaller military force to appear to be far larger than they really are and make overt positioning so that their opponent(s) send their defenses to the site of the supposed battle; meanwhile, the enemy's smaller force slips behind the defenders and strikes their true target. We know that the Drifter activity has been particular concentrated around Amarr space lately, based on other reports from various capsuleers. Is that where they are going to strike (this assumes that they plan to launch and offensive against someone...and with their activities, it seems likely). Yet, I wonder if all of this is not a ruse to have the Amarr empire dedicate its fleets to one location so that the Drifters might strike a different location? Unfortunately, without knowing more about what drives these beings, it will be hard to predict their actual goal(s) and therefore difficult to determine if they are executing an elaborate feint or they will in fact launch an offensive within Amarr. We travel in the dark of the new moon, A starry highway traced on the map of the sky
Demion Samenel Caldari Independent Navy Reserve 56	Posted - 2015.06.08 13:43:46 - [79] - Quote Akrasjel Lanate wrote: Why you assume the Drifter took his body were you minitoring the site all the time... From what i know your expedition wasn't the only one visiting the site. Lack of media coverage of the find, if his corpse would have been snatched by capsuleers we would have heard about it. And yes that is true other capsuleers have visited the site, but hardly enough to keep an eye on them at any current time. Captain Demion Samenel Chief of Diplomatic Staff News blog
Demion Samenel Caldari Independent Navy Reserve 56	Posted - 2015.06.08 13:58:01 - [80] - Quote Steffanie Saissore wrote: I have had another thought, based on the theory that some think that a few of Tukoss's broadcasts were made by an impostor. Now, in the last broadcast from Tukoss, we saw a massive fleet of Drifter vessels, yet there was no sign of this fleet in the hive at any point. What if there is not a massive fleet of Drifters? This does not diminish the danger they pose to the Empires or other groups. The reason I ask this question is, in preparing for a strike, it would aid a smaller military force to appear to be far larger than they really are and make overt positioning so that their opponent(s) send their defenses to the site of the supposed battle; meanwhile, the enemy's smaller force slips behind the defenders and strikes their true target. We know that the Drifter activity has been particular concentrated around Amarr space lately, based on other reports from various capsuleers. Is that where they are going to strike (this assumes that they plan to launch and offensive against someone...and with their activities, it seems likely). Yet, I wonder if all of this is not a ruse to have the Amarr empire dedicate its fleets to one location so that the Drifters might strike a different location? Unfortunately, without knowing more about what drives these beings, it will be hard to predict their actual goal(s) and therefore difficult to determine if they are executing an elaborate feint or they will in fact launch an offensive within Amarr. It seems to be a popular theory yes, that its an imposter. But I leave that to the number pushers, Im more interested of the massive drifter fleet. The shattered systems seems vast so it might be as well it has not yet been discovered, and the massive Drifters fleet have moved on after an initial fleet movement. As of the tactics, they do possess technology we dont understand so there might be tactics we cant foresee. Captain Demion Samenel Chief of Diplomatic Staff News blog
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. 7081	Posted - 2015.06.08 21:46:53 - [81] - Quote With congratulations to the pilots on our first expedition to a Drifter-occupied wormhole system, a note from the DED. There will be additional releases in the coming days from the Redoubt exploratory group, which has recently expanded its operational focus to all Drifter-occupied wormhole systems. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Vaporizer McGhee Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises 5	Posted - 2015.06.08 22:10:11 - [82] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: With congratulations to the pilots on our first expedition to a Drifter-occupied wormhole system, a note from the DED. There will be additional releases in the coming days from the Redoubt exploratory group, which has recently expanded its operational focus to all Drifter-occupied wormhole systems. That's awesome. Glad to have been there, and hope to make it to some future explorations.
Gorion Wassenar Stimulus Rote Kapelle 92	Posted - 2015.06.08 23:27:45 - [83] - Quote When something such as this is freely roaming the empires, who are alarmed by their mere presence alone. it is best to learn as much as possible. Rote Kapelle - NOW IN SLIGHTLY MORE LAW ABIDING FLAVOR! "DRINK STARSI!" -¬-«GäóOwnership Group Chairman
Shun Makoto Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Curatores Veritatis Alliance 54	Posted - 2015.06.09 10:36:38 - [84] - Quote Congratulations on the first expedition for their excellent discoveries! Congratulations are in order for our expedition as well, though it is a shame when we arrived inside the Hive that, what I can only assume, the Drifters had absconded with Tukoss' body. Nevertheless well done to Priano-haani and IKAME for their excellent planning! Personally I had hoped my Vexor-class Navy Issue would have fared better against the normal firepower of the 'Hikanta Tyrannos' but sadly it did not. Luckily thanks to how slow I went down a good number of my crew was able to escape and I returned later to retrieve them. Caldari Independant Navy Reserve - Junior Diplomat Curatores Veritatis Alliance ................................... Kaalakiota Corporation Patriot Faction My Personal Log

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