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Countessa Minmatar LEGI0N	Posted - 2006.11.18 07:05:00 - [1] Ok im just kinda getting my Eve legs back and have been in deep thought about kali with a few people. 1 thing that was thrown around was the idea of absolute lawless space. An area of Eve restricted (with similar rules to 0.5-1.0) to -5 pilots and below ? Im not talking about something as large as empire but maybe in a small corner of Eve there is a 'pirate' cartel that runs the area but only for scum and vilany ? Or maybe a few small areas, that maybe even have sentries that fire if your over -5 and even have there own 'pirate' concorde ? During the time of the 'pirate' there was always friendly ports for these rapscallions to berth at and spend there ill gotten gains and i would like to see something similar in eve. Well thats my thoughts on this matter i would appreciate your views both for and against the idea, and please discuss in a calm friendly manner there is already too many 'angry' posts out there Berneh > im gonna snip myself blind in a sec, im just printing a pic of siobhan then im off to bed SuperJonny > lolz
ELECTR0FREAK Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.18 07:07:00 - [2] Just go to NPC-controlled space like Stain. Discoverer of the Missile Damage Formula
Countessa Minmatar LEGI0N	Posted - 2006.11.18 07:24:00 - [3] Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK Just go to NPC-controlled space like Stain. You fail to see the point that its restricted to -5's and below i understand 0.0 is open to all but an area pirates and there like can gather and only those can ? Berneh > im gonna snip myself blind in a sec, im just printing a pic of siobhan then im off to bed SuperJonny > lolz
Tachy	Posted - 2006.11.18 07:29:00 - [4] Well, pirate faction controlled space is exactly what you ask for. It has been around for quite a while. 0.0 is absolute lawless space (unless you pod someone in an npc corp and get a nice standing hit.). --==*-- The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait \| 2006.09.20
Countessa Minmatar LEGI0N	Posted - 2006.11.18 07:34:00 - [5] Edited by: Countessa on 18/11/2006 07:35:08 Originally by: Tachy Well, pirate faction controlled space is exactly what you ask for. It has been around for quite a while. 0.0 is absolute lawless space (unless you pod someone in an npc corp and get a nice standing hit.). lol ok.... its 'restricted' to people with a standing of -5 to -10 if you are anything above these standings security status wise you get fired on by sentries and maybe a pirate version of concorde. Every1 can acess ALL 0.0 im speaking of an area that low security people can go and 'hang' out and every1 else is shot at like when a -5 enters empire space. Berneh > im gonna snip myself blind in a sec, im just printing a pic of siobhan then im off to bed SuperJonny > lolz
Ridley Tree Crimson Knights Trade Federation	Posted - 2006.11.18 07:38:00 - [6] Edited by: Ridley Tree on 18/11/2006 07:39:21 Pirates, historically, never formed navies or police agencies to take out non-pirates. Pirates would attack each other and would be happy to steal from one another. And really there is no reason to have a 'pirate haven' in EVE. If you want to live outside the law, you should not benefit from protection. Indeed the Eve Security system reminds me a bit of the letters of marquee and privateer system, not really the same but its nice. If something were to be implemented I would like to see a privateer/letter of marquee system introduced. Having different security rankings for the different empires. Allowing you to pirate in Caldari space while still being able to go to Gallente high-sec space. Of course you could also make it so that you could only be 'safe' with the empire from you are from, to encourage some sense of unity within the player base of the various Empires. I could also see how a system like this would help flesh out any sort of faction warfare system. Mind you I am happy with the current system. But I could also see how a system like I have described could work just as well. But then again, you could always just go to 0.0. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tachy	Posted - 2006.11.18 07:42:00 - [7] Ah, you want to be protected from law abiding pilots. I just had my coffee, so I might have missed that part earlier. Well, the NPC do attack law abiding pilots on site ... They just do not have anything like Concord ... --==*-- The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait \| 2006.09.20
Countessa Minmatar LEGI0N	Posted - 2006.11.18 07:52:00 - [8] Originally by: Ridley Tree Edited by: Ridley Tree on 18/11/2006 07:39:21 Pirates, historically, never formed navies or police agencies to take out non-pirates. Pirates would attack each other and would be happy to steal from one another. And really there is no reason to have a 'pirate haven' in EVE. If you want to live outside the law, you should not benefit from protection. Indeed the Eve Security system reminds me a bit of the letters of marquee and privateer system, not really the same but its nice. If something were to be implemented I would like to see a privateer/letter of marquee system introduced. Having different security rankings for the different empires. Allowing you to pirate in Caldari space while still being able to go to Gallente high-sec space. Of course you could also make it so that you could only be 'safe' with the empire from you are from, to encourage some sense of unity within the player base of the various Empires. I could also see how a system like this would help flesh out any sort of faction warfare system. Mind you I am happy with the current system. But I could also see how a system like I have described could work just as well. But then again, you could always just go to 0.0. I like your idea of a privateer but i still think an area of space only low sec people can acess would be nice too see. But as an afterthought to my post i think Sec status could go from -100 to + 100, and if you shoot + you get - and if you shoot - you get +, simple and stops pirate hunters losing sec for shooting some1 thats -4.9. (Solid Shadows idea) But on a whole i think much much more emphasis could be placed on security status and involve it in the game more. Berneh > im gonna snip myself blind in a sec, im just printing a pic of siobhan then im off to bed SuperJonny > lolz
Tachy	Posted - 2006.11.18 08:10:00 - [9] The [+10]..[-10] system actually is used in a [+100%]..[-100%] way with some minor quirks added - like changing point of reference depending on the situation. --==*-- The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait \| 2006.09.20
Takeshi Hatch LEGI0N	Posted - 2006.11.18 19:34:00 - [10] Edited by: Takeshi Hatch on 18/11/2006 19:42:39 Hi boss, I can think of good and bad reasons for it but change and variety is good so I am for the idea. Amongst the things that are good with the idea is that the outlaws can have there own space where only similar players can go just as the carebears have Jita. The belts can be full of concord or caldari navy rats to be shot to help keep sec low. Do agent mission for angel Cartel. Etc But the carebears are going to whinge like hell boss. No -5 player who will have access to the region is going to complain but all the +5 will feel left out of some love. They also hug the forums more, boss. PS: Lol, just thought that if you pirate in this region, you DONÆT get concorded, but your sec improves as pirating is a good thing. ______________________________ WE ARE LEGI0N
Chadawahee Amarr Debiloff's Vanguard Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2006.11.18 20:34:00 - [11] i like the idea ! preferably in the current pirate faction owned turf
Morbo Rigatoni	Posted - 2006.11.19 05:09:00 - [12] Reporting as ordered! Ah... Hmm, I don't know as I'd really go for an actively defended low-sec-only zone--y'know, where the NPCs/gate guns shoot you if you have high sec status. I guess just because the reality is that pirates have never had the kind of organization and projected power. I could see some core systems of NPC-pirate-faction-controlled space being hostile in more general ways though, especially toward those with positive stati. Maybe dock-refusal or something? I dunno. Of course, if all the rumors are true about Kali, the pirate scum are going to need somewhere to run to, so maybe I'm on the wrong side of this.

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