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Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 1248	Posted - 2015.06.04 02:48:43 - [1] - Quote I can fly Caldari and Amar T2's and the Tengu. I haven't flown a lot of cruisers in a long time. The Sacrilege looks a lot more fun now but it looks like I would have to speed tank it. But whatever I get needs a good prop mod for faster times anway. Or is Tengu the best bet? I would consider Gila but it looks like it only gets a medium drone bonus. Someone said machariel, but are BS's disallowed in some level 3's? Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á
Paranoid Loyd 5579	Posted - 2015.06.04 02:54:44 - [2] - Quote Rail Tengu "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1793	Posted - 2015.06.04 03:44:01 - [3] - Quote The Gila's medium drone bonus is something special.... like alligators on crack special. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it. Thing is a monster that can pack over 700 dps and tank almost as well as a BS... all the while moving speedy. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Paranoid Loyd 5580	Posted - 2015.06.04 03:49:00 - [4] - Quote The gila is a great boat however, when talking about blitzing you want to apply your DPS to only that which is necessary and GTFO, in quite a few missions the targets are a considerable distance away, with a rail boat I can kill most if not all of that which needs to be killed before your drones even reach their first target. We are admittedly talking about seconds here, but when you are grinding level 3s for whatever reason you really want to do it as quickly as possible and the seconds add up to minutes and eventually hours. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1163	Posted - 2015.06.04 04:37:57 - [5] - Quote someone had a pretty good rail tengu. Not sure if I copy/pasted this or just made it on my own. although max dps, warp speed, and projection doesn't leave much to the imagination. warp in, blap, warp out. ceptor warp speeds, up to 13 au/s with ascendency implants. last time I blitzed 3s it was in an ishtar with just a medium rep for tank, so I wouldn't be too worried about that, although can pretty easily drop a mid for a hardener. Although not sure how well it deals with elite frigs that get under the guns. might want a mobile depot and some webs. [Tengu, l3 blitz] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin Tengu Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor @ChainsawPlankto
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 627	Posted - 2015.06.04 13:44:23 - [6] - Quote I would assume an Eagle would do as well.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 11246	Posted - 2015.06.04 14:10:51 - [7] - Quote Omar Alharazaad wrote: The Gila's medium drone bonus is something special.... like alligators on crack special. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it. Thing is a monster that can pack over 700 dps and tank almost as well as a BS... all the while moving speedy. +1. i laugh when people dismiss those "medium drones" not understanding that the Gila's bonuses turn those things into npc Battleship chewing monsters. And they are tough. My 'Afk mission' Gila uses Faction drones (they are extra tanky) and those little used drone rigs that increase tank (FoF missiles for giggles also). I've used them to "DRONE TANK" missions like Buzzkill and the Blockade, it's almost unbalanced
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 1800	Posted - 2015.06.04 14:15:13 - [8] - Quote Lloyd gets it, and his point is sound. I'm just enamored with the thing because I tried one out recently and was all like 'OMG this thing is like a PEZ dispenser for wargasms!' I look forward to putting mine into play versus our future hapless. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 11246	Posted - 2015.06.04 14:17:26 - [9] - Quote Chainsaw Plankton wrote: someone had a pretty good rail tengu. Not sure if I copy/pasted this or just made it on my own. although max dps, warp speed, and projection doesn't leave much to the imagination. warp in, blap, warp out. ceptor warp speeds, up to 13 au/s with ascendency implants. last time I blitzed 3s it was in an ishtar with just a medium rep for tank, so I wouldn't be too worried about that, although can pretty easily drop a mid for a hardener. Although not sure how well it deals with elite frigs that get under the guns. might want a mobile depot and some webs. [Tengu, l3 blitz] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin Tengu Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor Mine is simlar, except I used 3 faction Gyrostabs and a nanofiber, and a Target Painter instead of a Sebo. For elite frigs I just turn on the MWD and set orbit to like 30 on them, they break orbit and I paint and blap them. Rarely happens though, most lvl 3s the rats are not even close to you on warp in.
Paranoid Loyd 5601	Posted - 2015.06.04 17:34:03 - [10] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Gyrostabs You really should try Mag Stabs. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 11256	Posted - 2015.06.05 03:38:45 - [11] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Gyrostabs You really should try Mag Stabs. I will not conform!!
Bitchin' Betty Evil Guinea Pigs 4	Posted - 2015.06.05 21:49:10 - [12] - Quote Macharial is the best blitzer for lvl 3's. You can hit out to 60km with 800ac's if you have to and still insta pop frigs with a group of three guns
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1174	Posted - 2015.06.06 06:35:54 - [13] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Mine is simlar, except I used 3 faction Gyrostabs and a nanofiber, and a Target Painter instead of a Sebo. For elite frigs I just turn on the MWD and set orbit to like 30 on them, they break orbit and I paint and blap them. Rarely happens though, most lvl 3s the rats are not even close to you on warp in. at range I'm very certain about the ability to destroy frigs, more wondering about what happens if they get a web and a point. then again from my memory in lv3s points are very rare. I also don't really remember spawn distances as I haven't done 3s in forever, and last time I did was in an ishtar which does very well vs frigs with bonused drones. Bitchin' Betty wrote: Macharial is the best blitzer for lvl 3's. You can hit out to 60km with 800ac's if you have to and still insta pop frigs with a group of three guns but yea, A mach is probably best. thing is damn fast with 3x hyperspatial rigs @ChainsawPlankto
Xylem Viliana Protomonolithic 297	Posted - 2015.06.07 20:57:13 - [14] - Quote I want to try a zealot for them eventually, comes into my "oh balls I missed stuff" training plan. Don't care if it's effective really, just want to try it, rail deimos was fun for grinding standings for about 3 mins but meh, grinding. Will try an armor pulsemare in a few weeks too for giggles. Need to wait for a weekday off work when I have time and energy. Won't be better than a mach cause of the warp speed but might be fun for a few mins and it's only a few hundred mil.
Ion Kirst KIRSTONE ALLIANCE 147	Posted - 2015.06.08 23:31:56 - [15] - Quote Chainsaw Plankton wrote: someone had a pretty good rail tengu. Not sure if I copy/pasted this or just made it on my own. although max dps, warp speed, and projection doesn't leave much to the imagination. warp in, blap, warp out. ceptor warp speeds, up to 13 au/s with ascendency implants. last time I blitzed 3s it was in an ishtar with just a medium rep for tank, so I wouldn't be too worried about that, although can pretty easily drop a mid for a hardener. Although not sure how well it deals with elite frigs that get under the guns. might want a mobile depot and some webs. [Tengu, l3 blitz] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin Tengu Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor That's my fit, except I went over the top for max dps and used 4 Fed. MFSs. If the op would have looked, he would have found a couple of posts on this topic already. I will not recap it all. Many ships can do L3s fast, some can do them very fast. But blitzing the mission, which means just doing what is necessary to complete a mission, is not the same as BLITZING THE MISSION. "Warp in, blap, warp out", just as Chainsaw said. (The timer is running.) Above Tengu hits 9.32 warp speed without ascendency implants. Above Tengu also beat Stoic's Mack in just about all the missions he posted in his spread sheet. (17/20? don't remember exactly). -Kirst Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Paranoid Loyd 5706	Posted - 2015.06.08 23:37:58 - [16] - Quote Ion Kirst wrote: I will not recap it all. I linked a good majority of it in my first reply. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Hakaari Inkuran State War Academy Caldari State 297	Posted - 2015.06.08 23:45:22 - [17] - Quote Omar Alharazaad wrote: Lloyd gets it, and his point is sound. I'm just enamored with the thing because I tried one out recently and was all like 'OMG this thing is like a PEZ dispenser for wargasms!' I look forward to putting mine into play versus our future hapless. The Gila is truly lovely but I feel the strengths of the Guristas ships is in combat exploration and wormhole PVE, not mission PVE.
Ion Kirst KIRSTONE ALLIANCE 147	Posted - 2015.06.09 00:13:56 - [18] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Ion Kirst wrote: I will not recap it all. I linked a good majority of it in my first reply. Yes, thank you. ________ I relocated to a new place when I started my "Tengu vs Mach" blitzing. There I had a choice of 3 agents that gave out L3 missions. I am still there now, where my alt runs the missions. Several missions can be done in just a short amount of time. I have become hooked on BLITZING L3s, and can't see going back to the "old" way. -Kirst Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Barrak Wormhole Engineers Greater Realms 123	Posted - 2015.06.09 23:55:23 - [19] - Quote Hey. I asked a similar question in another thread and was pointed here. Despite having a great combat pilot he is unable to fly T3's. Can I ask peoples opinions on how a T3 BC with the large guns would fare? My other combat pilot can fly and use the Minnie or the Amaar versions and I was thinking about just pulling range and hitting from miles out with a strong DPS, thus nullifying the weakness that is the poor tracking. I haven't run L3 missions for ..... well..... I simply can not remember ever running them. I'm trying to grind station standings and am not interested in loot. I just wanna get in and get out. I'm not that bothered about warping time if that makes a difference. Regards Barrak
Paranoid Loyd 5728	Posted - 2015.06.10 00:31:11 - [20] - Quote There are too many small ships for an attack BC to be useful as tracking becomes an issue, a combat BC would be better, HACs work OK as well if you can't do T3. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 1248	Posted - 2015.06.10 02:36:28 - [21] - Quote Ion Kirst wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: Ion Kirst wrote: I will not recap it all. I linked a good majority of it in my first reply. Yes, thank you. ________ I relocated to a new place when I started my "Tengu vs Mach" blitzing. There I had a choice of 3 agents that gave out L3 missions. I am still there now, where my alt runs the missions. Several missions can be done in just a short amount of time. I have become hooked on BLITZING L3s, and can't see going back to the "old" way. -Kirst Only want to run them for a single corporation. Having LP all over the place is a PITA. Gonna go with the Tengu as it seems to be the best bang for the buck. Im working on large hybrid 5 for Kronos now, I'll get some meta 4's and start training when I can. I ran it through PYFA and it should be fine. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á
Barrak Wormhole Engineers Greater Realms 123	Posted - 2015.06.10 07:10:02 - [22] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: There are too many small ships for an attack BC to be useful as tracking becomes an issue, pulling range works but causes the missions to take a lot more time, a combat BC would be better, HACs work OK as well if you can't do T3. Haven't tried it but Cynabal should work quite well also. With the Cynabal is it a case of sniping from distance or going in at pace and taking down stuff? Also..... do many of the missions require to you collect something you have killed? I'd check myself but I've never run Amarr L3's so I'm not familiar with the mission types (that and it's been an eternity since I ran any missions). By combat BC do you mean Drake/Harbi/Cane etc? (been out of the game for a while and not sure what has/not been reclassified). Regards Barrak
Augustus Risalo Vulcans Forge 0	Posted - 2015.06.10 11:45:04 - [23] - Quote Take a look at the GIla as well. It's a little pricy, but it has a strong passive tank and can put out over 700 DPS easily. In a level 3 your drones will drop cruisers in a volley or two, and you can take 4 rapid light missile launchers to chew up frigates.
Paranoid Loyd 5742	Posted - 2015.06.10 17:29:24 - [24] - Quote Barrak wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: There are too many small ships for an attack BC to be useful as tracking becomes an issue, pulling range works but causes the missions to take a lot more time, a combat BC would be better, HACs work OK as well if you can't do T3. Haven't tried it but Cynabal should work quite well also. With the Cynabal is it a case of sniping from distance or going in at pace and taking down stuff? Also..... do many of the missions require to you collect something you have killed? I'd check myself but I've never run Amarr L3's so I'm not familiar with the mission types (that and it's been an eternity since I ran any missions). By combat BC do you mean Drake/Harbi/Cane etc? (been out of the game for a while and not sure what has/not been reclassified). Regards Barrak The Cynabal gets a bonus to warp speed, that is it's main strength. If you are properly blitzing missions, most of your time is spent in warp. Generally, being able to project damage is better than higher dps when blitzing. So go with artys. Quite a few mission require collection of an item. Yes, Arty Cane is probably your best bet if you go that route. Augustus Risalo wrote: Take a look at the GIla as well. Sigh, please read the thread, we have already gone over this. Gila is a great boat, but it is sub-optimal for blitzing due to drone travel time. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1191	Posted - 2015.06.10 18:33:35 - [25] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: Only want to run them for a single corporation. Having LP all over the place is a PITA. Gonna go with the Tengu as it seems to be the best bang for the buck. Im working on large hybrid 5 for Kronos now, I'll get some meta 4's and start training when I can. I ran it through PYFA and it should be fine. luckily there are a few stations with 3 agents of the same level. handy for raising standings, but not sure if there are any with good lp stores too. @ChainsawPlankto
Barrak Wormhole Engineers Greater Realms 123	Posted - 2015.06.10 18:37:18 - [26] - Quote Hey. There an optimal fit for the Cyna or is it simply a case of speed, and range? .... anything with Arties? More than happy to eft one myself (and probably will anyway) but if there is an optimal then I'll roll with that. O7 Barrak
Eli Apol Definitely a nullsec alt 389	Posted - 2015.06.11 13:34:36 - [27] - Quote @Chainsaw/Ion Any reason you have the supplemental screening sub instead of the amplification node? Would mean you could downscale from pith-C to domination/republic fleet MSB and still have the same tank, unless you need that extra 3k EHP buffer for any reason? Just noticed the subs whilst fitting one and thought it was an odd choice on an active tank :) but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE 1192	Posted - 2015.06.11 16:34:59 - [28] - Quote Eli Apol wrote: @Chainsaw/Ion Any reason you have the supplemental screening sub instead of the amplification node? Would mean you could downscale from pith-C to domination/republic fleet MSB and still have the same tank, unless you need that extra 3k EHP buffer for any reason? Just noticed the subs whilst fitting one and thought it was an odd choice on an active tank :) good call, the amplification node is probably a better choice. Probably just something I threw together quickly in eft and was more concerned with the slot layout than anything else. Last time I ran lv3s I was in a blitz ishtar, and the amount of tank needed when you can throw out that much dps over those ranges is very minimal, makes me laugh at the drake I used to run lv3s in. My old lv4 blitz tengu used to have the buffer sub and a LSE, mostly because I was a bit paranoid about getting volleyed by a tornado or two on the undock. Considering the shiny tengus that used to fly around with little to no buffer it was one of those things I was thinking about getting into myself. @ChainsawPlankto
Barrak Wormhole Engineers Greater Realms 123	Posted - 2015.06.11 17:57:02 - [29] - Quote [Cynabal, New Setup 1] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Internal Force Field Array I 50MN Microwarpdrive II Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy EM Ward Field Medium Shield Booster II 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 650mm Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M Small Nosferatu II Medium Projectile Collision Accelerator I Medium Projectile Ambit Extension I Medium Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer I Warrior II x5 Warrior II x5 Stats: I'll need a Cap implant for a 2% increase. 31k tank. 164 boost. Cap is poor at just 50s or 1.4m with MWD or boost off. 5.4 warpspeed DPS: 293 at 48/45 with tremor 451 at 13/45 with Fleet fusion. 2567 m/s at 906 signature. Thing I'm slightly worried about is that I am not at all familiar with L3's and I can not test them at the moment as I do not have the standings. Assuming I'm working at range and only closing when I have to collect something. Is a 31k tank with a 164boost sufficient?
Ion Kirst KIRSTONE ALLIANCE 147	Posted - 2015.06.12 20:49:44 - [30] - Quote Chainsaw Plankton wrote: Eli Apol wrote: @Chainsaw/Ion Any reason you have the supplemental screening sub instead of the amplification node? Would mean you could downscale from pith-C to domination/republic fleet MSB and still have the same tank, unless you need that extra 3k EHP buffer for any reason? Just noticed the subs whilst fitting one and thought it was an odd choice on an active tank :) good call, the amplification node is probably a better choice. Probably just something I threw together quickly in eft and was more concerned with the slot layout than anything else. Last time I ran lv3s I was in a blitz ishtar, and the amount of tank needed when you can throw out that much dps over those ranges is very minimal, makes me laugh at the drake I used to run lv3s in. My old lv4 blitz tengu used to have the buffer sub and a LSE, mostly because I was a bit paranoid about getting volleyed by a tornado or two on the undock. Considering the shiny tengus that used to fly around with little to no buffer it was one of those things I was thinking about getting into myself. -this. ___________ Originally I used the Amplification Mode sub. With it and the PIth C SB I could bet 81hp/s. EHP was at 17,606, 4563 shield capacity. More than enough for any L3 mission. I don't remember who, but they suggested using the Supplemental Screening Sub. So I changed them. The Supplemental Screening makes EHP of 23,311, and shield capacity 7219. The shield boost dropped to 54hp/s, which is still plenty for L3s. I liked the extra cushion, but either sub works just fine in BLITZING L3s. You aren't in the mission long enough to get hurt. I've even though about dropping the SB and using a LSE instead, increasing the shield capacity to over 12000. (but I'll probably just leave it alone.) Neither of these choices really effects the time spent in BLITZING, so it may just come down to a personal preference. -Kirst Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.

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