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Gibbus
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Posted - 2006.11.18 19:33:00 -
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Ladies and Gents,
Not that many yet sold, rare chance to be part of future shipyard industry,
i present to you this fine high profile BPO.
Upcoming changes and need in gangs makes this ship truly vital in future fights
across known universe. This is the true tide changer in fleetbattles and everymans
dream solo/mission machine.
Item for auction: Eos BPO [ME:5 PE:2] located in safe empire space
Auction terms are:
Minimum bid AND reserve: 60 Billion
Bid increment: 1b
Buyout price: none, suggestions can be eve-mailed to me
Auction ends: 25.11.2006 2100 Eve-time
Sniper Rule: 15 minutes
Please, bids and positive comments only (i take any free bumb i can get  ).
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Amarr
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.18 19:37:00 -
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bit too steep for me 
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Chrisb6122
Gallente
S.P.U.N.K
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Posted - 2006.11.18 19:48:00 -
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Im one of the most desperate person in eve who wants to aquire one of these bpos but the last 3 have ALL sold for below 25 bill.
Contact me ingame if you actualy want an sale.
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RichThugster
Gallente
Revelations Inc.
E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.11.18 20:33:00 -
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personally id wait for the bit kali patch to hit, when demand for this to jump, with the new gang requirements etc, other that you will get nothing near your start price
 Originally by: KIATolon
I just got owned
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Gibbus
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Posted - 2006.11.19 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: RichThugster
personally id wait for the bit kali patch to hit, when demand for this to jump, with the new gang requirements etc, other that you will get nothing near your start price
Thank you for your great advice. I'm hoping to reach those people that will look into
horizon, not those that live in the past.
Facts are that demand is already raising rapidly and and ship's price has already
started to raise. Peoples are just now starting to get skills for these. Agility
change and gang bonus system will just boost this demand further.
I would gladly see that through myself but i wanna finally play this game at large and
boost friends around me. You never know how long playing is possible anymore....
Before posting what's worth what ppl just have to remember that it's an investment and
it may take over year, even two to gain that CASH back. And after that, there's still
the value of BPO...and that aint gonna drop atleast....
And people please stop sending those low buyouts by eve-mail, i'm not selling this
for someone just to resell it in hope of quick fortunes.
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EFS Manager
Eve Financial Services
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Posted - 2006.11.19 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Gibbus
Originally by: RichThugster
personally id wait for the bit kali patch to hit, when demand for this to jump, with the new gang requirements etc, other that you will get nothing near your start price
Thank you for your great advice. I'm hoping to reach those people that will look into
horizon, not those that live in the past.
Facts are that demand is already raising rapidly and and ship's price has already
started to raise. Peoples are just now starting to get skills for these. Agility
change and gang bonus system will just boost this demand further.
I would gladly see that through myself but i wanna finally play this game at large and
boost friends around me. You never know how long playing is possible anymore....
Before posting what's worth what ppl just have to remember that it's an investment and
it may take over year, even two to gain that CASH back. And after that, there's still
the value of BPO...and that aint gonna drop atleast....
And people please stop sending those low buyouts by eve-mail, i'm not selling this
for someone just to resell it in hope of quick fortunes.
Sounds like a great BPO! Now if you believed all that ^^ you would keep it now wouldn't you?!
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Sakura Nihil
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.19 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: EFS Manager
Sounds like a great BPO! Now if you believed all that ^^ you would keep it now wouldn't you?!
 , owned.
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EVE Teamspeak
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Posted - 2006.11.19 01:18:00 -
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Minimum bid AND reserve: 60 Billion - TYPO or Tequilla?
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Gibbus
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Posted - 2006.11.19 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Nihil
Originally by: EFS Manager
Sounds like a great BPO! Now if you believed all that ^^ you would keep it now wouldn't you?!
, owned.
Actually no. He just failed to read and comprehend what i was writing in there....
After close to three and half years of playing, i'm not gonna be there that long
to see the fruits of this BPO.
Not knowing that prices will go up, BPO's values raises, damand will grow
just shows bad judgement and lack of understanding game mechanics and markets.
But thou i have to thank you...for free bumbs
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aquontium
Gallente
Fourth Circle
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Posted - 2006.11.19 11:05:00 -
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I'll offer you 60 Million to start you off.
oh, did you say 60 Billion
Think you need to re-establish your credentials in basic economic understanding. Half that would be an expensive reserve.
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Synapse Archae
Amarr
Solarflare Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.11.19 11:38:00 -
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ROFL why not just buy 600 overpriced Eos' off the market for 100m each.
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Originally by: The Knight
True, in fact...I think it was during the battle of the bulge when we first realized the Germans were using WCS. |
Pottsey
Gallente
Acme Shipping Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.19 11:49:00 -
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ôBefore posting what's worth what ppl just have to remember that it's an investment and
it may take over year, even two to gain that CASH back. And after that, there's still
the value of BPO...and that aint gonna drop atleast....ö
Invention looks like it will cause it to drop not go up. YouÆre asking to much. I was going to bid but 60billion is way over its vaule.
You could spend 30 billion on invention and get years worth of blueprint copies.
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EFS Manager
Eve Financial Services
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Posted - 2006.11.19 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Gibbus
Not knowing that prices will go up, BPO's values raises, damand will grow
just shows bad judgement and lack of understanding game mechanics and markets.
Lets us work on your clear lack of understanding (or flat out dishonesty)...
Supply USED to be limited, which was the biggest driver in prices as demand increased. However supply will no longer be limited and will be able to increase with a little bit of effort from anyone that wants to invent some BPCs. While BPOs will still be profitable, they will not be the goldmines that you are trying to tell everyone they will be.
So either get a dose of reality or honesty... whichever is apropriate.
/EFS Manager
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2006.11.19 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: EFS Manager
Supply USED to be limited, which was the biggest driver in prices as demand increased.
It is always funny when someone says "good economics" as they lie through their teeth.
That crash you heard just a second ago... that was invention landing on the t2 market.
Still screwing the dictionary, baby. One long word at a time!
Arknox > shar with bad hair day >>> solution = suicide and spawn fresh clone :D |
Keyser Kahn
Gallente
Midgard Industrial
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Posted - 2006.11.19 12:25:00 -
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not a bad price tbh.
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Gibbus
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Posted - 2006.11.19 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: EFS Manager
Originally by: Gibbus
Not knowing that prices will go up, BPO's values raises, damand will grow
just shows bad judgement and lack of understanding game mechanics and markets.
Lets us work on your clear lack of understanding (or flat out dishonesty)...
Supply USED to be limited, which was the biggest driver in prices as demand increased. However supply will no longer be limited and will be able to increase with a little bit of effort from anyone that wants to invent some BPCs. While BPOs will still be profitable, they will not be the goldmines that you are trying to tell everyone they will be.
So either get a dose of reality or honesty... whichever is apropriate.
/EFS Manager
I think i'v read almost everything related to these things and there's nothing wrong
with my sense of reality or honesty  I was just little puzzled because
You being in finance services should believe on those same things too (investments,
their value raising ect, The little things)
Supply is still limited, invention doesnt change that fact.
It costs about 48k RP's to have CHANCE of BPC (amount may change direction unknown).
Sure, there are lot of RP's around but so is the variety of ships too.
If you compare HAC vs Command ship price, and their need of Datacores, its not Command
ships price that will go down due invention, but HAC's price.
And with invention, building cost will be more than current price level of command
ships (depends how you valuate your RP's). There's also many of those that will
keeps their RP's and their tumps up in upcoming lotterys.
In the end, RP usage will be far greater than it's production from agents and then
it's effect to T2 BPO's will not be that bad. People will gather them monthly and when they
have enough, they will do the Invention...Will they use it on chance to get HAC? or wait atlest double time to save enough chance command ship, you tell me...
ofc, this is my limited vision only, but talking of T2 bpo production "Crashing" when
invention lands is even more limited, short sighted vision.
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EVE Teamspeak
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Posted - 2006.11.19 20:16:00 -
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How much for a 10 run BPC since I dont think it will sell...
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EFS Manager
Eve Financial Services
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Posted - 2006.11.19 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Gibbus
Originally by: EFS Manager
Originally by: Gibbus
Not knowing that prices will go up, BPO's values raises, damand will grow
just shows bad judgement and lack of understanding game mechanics and markets.
Lets us work on your clear lack of understanding (or flat out dishonesty)...
Supply USED to be limited, which was the biggest driver in prices as demand increased. However supply will no longer be limited and will be able to increase with a little bit of effort from anyone that wants to invent some BPCs. While BPOs will still be profitable, they will not be the goldmines that you are trying to tell everyone they will be.
So either get a dose of reality or honesty... whichever is apropriate.
/EFS Manager
I think i'v read almost everything related to these things and there's nothing wrong
with my sense of reality or honesty I was just little puzzled because
You being in finance services should believe on those same things too (investments,
their value raising ect, The little things)
Supply is still limited, invention doesnt change that fact.
It costs about 48k RP's to have CHANCE of BPC (amount may change direction unknown).
Sure, there are lot of RP's around but so is the variety of ships too.
If you compare HAC vs Command ship price, and their need of Datacores, its not Command
ships price that will go down due invention, but HAC's price.
And with invention, building cost will be more than current price level of command
ships (depends how you valuate your RP's). There's also many of those that will
keeps their RP's and their tumps up in upcoming lotterys.
In the end, RP usage will be far greater than it's production from agents and then
it's effect to T2 BPO's will not be that bad. People will gather them monthly and when they
have enough, they will do the Invention...Will they use it on chance to get HAC? or wait atlest double time to save enough chance command ship, you tell me...
ofc, this is my limited vision only, but talking of T2 bpo production "Crashing" when
invention lands is even more limited, short sighted vision.
I never said it was going to crash. Just that it was very unlikely to shoot up in price the way HAC's did, as there is a method of increasing supply now.
At current prices your starting bid is something like 8 YEARS profit. THAT is the unrealistic part, not the fact that it may go up in a value, but the fact that you are implying it will go up THAT much.
Good luck nonetheless but I would be very suprised if anyone offered your very unrealistic starting bid.
/EFS Manager
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Aziza
Gallente
Immobiliare
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Posted - 2006.11.19 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: EVE Teamspeak
How much for a 10 run BPC since I dont think it will sell...
40-50 mil per run, so 400-500 mill for 10 run BPC, but it will take you a month to make and therefore you will need 11 years to make your money back, assuming you spent 60bil on BPO.
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Vanesa Garcia
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.11.20 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: Chrisb6122
Im one of the most desperate person in eve who wants to aquire one of these bpos but the last 3 have ALL sold for below 25 bill.
Contact me ingame if you actualy want an sale.
If you have bought command ship BPO's below 25 bill, then you either very lucky or you simply a liar, because even crooks like Dirty Deeds were offering about 35 bil in private.
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Gibbus
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Posted - 2006.11.20 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: EFS Manager
I never said it was going to crash. Just that it was very unlikely to shoot up in price the way HAC's did, as there is a method of increasing supply now.
At current prices your starting bid is something like 8 YEARS profit. THAT is the unrealistic part, not the fact that it may go up in a value, but the fact that you are implying it will go up THAT much.
Good luck nonetheless but I would be very suprised if anyone offered your very unrealistic starting bid.
/EFS Manager
No You didnt say so. I was replying to several messages at same time, my mixup and i'm sorry for that.
Not really understand how You calculate that 8 years, but knowing profit and buildcost of this BPO, at
the current price level time to DOUBLE your money is little over 3 years. When it raises to 170m level, time is 2
years and so on...
Current pricelevel is still low and it's unlikely to STAY there.
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Mamulos
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Posted - 2006.11.20 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Vanesa Garcia
Originally by: Chrisb6122
Im one of the most desperate person in eve who wants to aquire one of these bpos but the last 3 have ALL sold for below 25 bill.
Contact me ingame if you actualy want an sale.
If you have bought command ship BPO's below 25 bill, then you either very lucky or you simply a liar, because even crooks like Dirty Deeds were offering about 35 bil in private.
and sucers like vanesa offer 10b for those prints
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Vanesa Garcia
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.11.20 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mamulos
Originally by: Vanesa Garcia
Originally by: Chrisb6122
Im one of the most desperate person in eve who wants to aquire one of these bpos but the last 3 have ALL sold for below 25 bill.
Contact me ingame if you actualy want an sale.
If you have bought command ship BPO's below 25 bill, then you either very lucky or you simply a liar, because even crooks like Dirty Deeds were offering about 35 bil in private.
and sucers like vanesa offer 10b for those prints
It's worth to me about 45 bil and that's what I can offer.
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Pottsey
Gallente
Acme Shipping Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.20 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 20/11/2006 13:00:13
öWhen it raises to 170m level, time is 2
years and so on...ö
That should be if not when. With the nerfs in Kail upsetting most command ship pilots and the extra skill training to use the ship which already takes a long time among the extra blueprints there is a very good chance priceÆs will not change but keep dropping like they have been.
ôCurrent pricelevel is still low and it's unlikely to STAY there.ö
ItÆs very likely to stay as it is if not drop a lot. Due to the extra time spent training and overly complicted manner of using the ships in Kail. I think thatÆs the real reason your selling, your worried you not going be able to sell any more ships easily.
Command ships are a pain to use in Kail every Command ship pilot I know is unhappy with the change and that added with extra blueprints and extra skill training to use the ship its not going cause priceÆs to go up. Thats eveything needed to lower price's.
You best option might be to wait and see how Kail goes. If your right and priceÆs go up you can sell the BPO at a high price. ItÆs to much of a gamble now for most people to spend that much on something that looks like its going drop in value.
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Mack Dorgeans
Camelot Innovations
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Posted - 2006.11.20 15:59:00 -
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What's wrong with command ships in Kali? The last I heard, they were all getting hitpoint and agility improvements at the least.
Considering Kali (Revelations) is still in testing and not final, I don't see how anyone can say with certainty whether certain ships will be better or worse when it finally goes live to TQ.
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RichThugster
Gallente
Revelations Inc.
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.11.20 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Mack Dorgeans
What's wrong with command ships in Kali? The last I heard, they were all getting hitpoint and agility improvements at the least.
Considering Kali (Revelations) is still in testing and not final, I don't see how anyone can say with certainty whether certain ships will be better or worse when it finally goes live to TQ.
:P
Originally by: KIATolon
I just got owned
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Gibbus
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Posted - 2006.11.20 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: Gibbus on 20/11/2006 18:39:10
Edited by: Gibbus on 20/11/2006 18:38:29
Originally by: Pottsey
That should be if not when. With the nerfs in Kail upsetting most command ship pilots and the extra skill training to use the ship which already takes a long time among the extra blueprints there is a very good chance priceÆs will not change but keep dropping like they have been..........
Due to the extra time spent training and overly complicted manner of using the ships in Kail. I think thatÆs the real reason your selling, your worried you not going be able to sell any more ships easily.
I'm for one with 6 m skillpoints on second account in leadership had initial reaction of
"##*ñ#*#$ Re-allocation of skillpoints NOW" but then i thought about it (and didnt
go and write "kali is gang nerf!!).
I came to conclusion that any upcoming change to Gangs CAN'T be worse that current
system.
Now we have 200 size gang with one person whispering "primary xx, secondary yyy ect.".
Half of the gang is "wha--?...who?...wher--??".
New system will have structure where are wing/squadron commanders and there for there can
be command ships with skirmish mods handling tacklers, one with information mods
commanding EW ships and so on.
Upcoming HP boost will make battles last longer, therefor extra resists for armour and shield
matters more. Command ships being in front line, u might actually need a support
ship to keep it alive. HEY! support cruisers too might actually be useful??
And then even gang mods boosting repair speed could be useful?
Is it so that NOW people are thinking " I really, really, really wanna be command ship
driver because i like help my mates sitting afk in pos....." "That really
drives me learning all these x million of skills"
or after Kali,
"I really, really, really wanna be command ship pilot because then i can help my
mates and enjoy same adreline rush and fight with them side by side. I'm finally
putting my resists into use and this gang of mine has many tasks and more depth"
Current Alpha strike style will come less important and fleet battles will be more
sum of variables and command ship is very important piece of that picture. It not
will be like fights in alliance tournament, but into that direction. at best times,
small game of chess.
Most of lost command ships atm are those that get ganked on the gates, otherwise they
are pretty safe. With Kali, this is gonna change.
With my main i read EOS just because it ROCKS, it's like Ishtar (no drone bonus but repper boni) with plenty of HP. Not gonna read any leadership skill outside
those that i had to while learning to fly it. Ship itself justifies it.
And what would think of Kali as Command ship BPO owner?? These changes makes me think
i'm not gonna sell ships?
I EMBRACE it WITH arms and legs. It gets those babies used AND BURNED!
I'm really bad painter with words (and with paint) and i'm afraid that many
see kali and command ships future like DALI painting while it actually
is Mona Lisa...U just have to take little distance and look the whole picture.
Please study and read, read before throwing comments of real motives and what you think.
For moderators, please dont nerf my reply. My motives to sell was questioned and i
wanted to set records straight.
edit: This is also by long'ish BUMBBAABA BUMB, thank you for reading
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Gibbus
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Posted - 2006.11.21 17:04:00 -
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Annndd... Back to the top, here we go, just where this BPO belongs.
Why Blond was dissapointed when he arrived to London??
Big Ben was just a clock
(just hate to post without good reason...and yes, its a Bumb)
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Chrisb6122
Gallente
S.P.U.N.K
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Posted - 2006.11.21 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Gibbus
Annndd... Back to the top, here we go, just where this BPO belongs.
Why Blond was dissapointed when he arrived to London??
Big Ben was just a clock
(just hate to post without good reason...and yes, its a Bumb)
Can you convo me ingame please
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Pottsey
Gallente
Acme Shipping Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.21 18:48:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 21/11/2006 18:49:20
ôI came to conclusion that any upcoming change to Gangs CAN'T be worse that current
system.ö
Well youÆre wrong as you donÆt seem to know about the worse parts or nerfÆs. Needing more skills to do the same job is a nerf.
The new system is worse then the current system in many ways (not every way). You need more skills to do the same job as before. You need more setup time for fleets. You can no longer have two different gang assist modules spread over two ships affecting the command pilots.
The people testing have said they had to spend up to an hour just to get everyone in the right spot to get the gang bonusÆs working when now it takes seconds and those where simple small gangs not fleets. You also need to train multiply new skills to use gang assist. You say you have 6 million leadership skillpoints well I hope you know you cannot use any of that right way in kail. ItÆs all useless until you get and train the new skills and donÆt tell me you think leadership needs more skills just to start doing the same job as before.
Even then the bonus where not working on everyone. The new system is far too fiddly for practical use.
ôNew system will have structure where are wing/squadron commanders and there for there can
be command ships with skirmish mods handling tacklers, one with information mods
commanding EW ships and so on.ö
Accept due to coding problems those modules do not mix on wing/squadron commanders and will not be sorted for Kail. CCP said they donÆt think they can fix all the problems until Kail 2 or 3. Now you can have two command pilots boosting each other one with information mods and one with skirmish mods in kail you cannot even after the extra skill training.
DonÆt get me wrong I really like the idea of the new gang system but itÆs implanted badly.
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