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Arra Lith
HUSARIA Curatores Veritatis Alliance
8
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Posted - 2011.12.06 18:13:00 -
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Removing bookmarks from right-click context menu was very bad move...
They were very handly, now to be able to reach bookmarks fast i need to open another window, making even less open space. Opening 'personal blabla' folder just to reach bookmark makes that option almost useless. New UI is really annoying... |
Mograthi
11
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Posted - 2011.12.06 18:26:00 -
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The new personal bookmarks folder with subfolders when right clicking in space is absolutely horrendous. It now takes way to long to get at a bookmark. |
Major Kim
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
2
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Posted - 2011.12.06 18:30:00 -
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Agreed, with no previous notification if you have more than 4 bookmarks, they get placed in a subfolder. I personally don't agree with bookmarks being placed in a "Folder" without my consent.
Why would you have folders if now, they all get placed in one anyway??
Please either revert this change, (we already have folders and many of us know how to use them), or provide an option to have a variable to choose, 5 is far too few. _____
ReFitting ships in a pos now takes 1/4 of the time, THANKS! ___ I WANT to see the "Pin Window" return ASAP. I would assume the toggle window style would stay there somehow...but that's not my concern...not having a window move that I wasn't actually clicking/dragging IS.
Being able to drag fit's into the market quickbar is great! Corporation BOOKMARKS (don't know why you call it "locations" now....) are good. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ Some good changes here folks, but some problems also, I'll forgive you if you give me my probes back. |
Maul555
Nuts and Vindictive Remix Technologies
10
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Posted - 2011.12.06 18:50:00 -
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About the bookmark changes... Great try CCP. something definitely needed to be done about having them all a jumble on the same menu, but you guys got it backwards. I want to be able to see my personal locations on the menu, and have a sub menu for corp locations. You have done the exact opposite here, and its quite frankly annoying. But worse than annoying, this change could get me killed. Its going to take me longer to open up my safe spots bookmarks, and will be much easier to accidentally close the menu by moving the mouse. I am very used to having all my important stuff click-able in an instant.. Please consider changing this, or at the very least, give us the option to customize it. Thank you. |
drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.12.06 18:54:00 -
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Perhaps its time for BM's in the overview. Have a column for Personal and Corp and we can sort them. |
Sharif elBadid
Die Weltenbauer New Eden Industrie Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.12.06 18:54:00 -
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shasby wrote:Jarnis McPieksu wrote:Right click menu change regarding bookmarks (sorry, "saved locations") is TERRIBLE - now your bookmarks are all behind one level of additional sub-menu ("Personal Locations" and "Corporate Locations"). When trying to dig up that POS bookmark for a fast getaway, this is going to get people killed...
I could see the current layout as an option, but the way it worked before today was the correct way - freely mixing your personal and corporate locations that are in the current system, all showing directly under the right click menu.
Sure, you could make them visibly different a single-character icon/letter before them or something, but this submenu system is just... FIX BACK NOW! :bittervet getting bitter:
Edit: to clarify, before today it was like this:
Bookmark 1 Bookmark 2 Bookmark 3
Today it is
Personal Locations > Bookmark1 Corporate Locations > Bookmark 2 ...................................Bookmark 3
(with the sub-menus behind > opening when you mouse over)
Acceptable way of tagging them could be:
P: Bookmark 1 C: Bookmark 2 C: Bookmark 3
Still could tell personal and corporate ones apart, but no silly submenus. Letter could be replaced with some kind of icon if needed. +1 ... Pisses me off!
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BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
42
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Posted - 2011.12.06 19:18:00 -
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+1 for bookmark change was a bad idea.
Edit: actually, looks like the submenu thing might have been fixed, stealth-buff? anyway, if it has, then all's good. |
Arra Lith
HUSARIA Curatores Veritatis Alliance
8
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Posted - 2011.12.06 19:40:00 -
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1 more thing to note - bug with all UI windows randomly disappear is still here.
Usually alt+tab spam or opening/closing map fixes it (UI windows visible again), but sometimes it gets very bugged and only logout helps. If that happen in combat player is screwed ;s |
TorTorden
NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred
15
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Posted - 2011.12.06 20:07:00 -
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Think subfolders for personal\corp change is a great Idea and I bet we use them alot more than most. |
Bodia Zerh
Grey Wolff
0
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Posted - 2011.12.06 21:04:00 -
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Lock Pinned Windows option needs to be added again, always setting window placments everytime a window is opened or Docking/Undocking gets enoying. Scaling UI seems uslees to me and I play on a 46" TV... Having a Change Font size would of been a better option, I can see the Icons fine but text can be a bit small. Quieter Turret option does nothing and adjusting the world noise dosent adjust it anymore, Why not have an extra audio slide bar for Turret/Missile effects, and Module effects so users can set their audio according to what they require instead of the inadequate audio options that we have now. Last thing, when opening a wreck to loot it, why would it be set to have a new sized and positioned widow everytime. Why change it from a remembered window size and position like it was before this patch, The multiple corp hangers settings are ok just makes no sence with wrecks, who loots or even gets the same wreck twice. |
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Ayumi Igawa
Noumenon Choir
1
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Posted - 2011.12.06 21:31:00 -
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Bodia Zerh wrote: Last thing, when opening a wreck to loot it, why would it be set to have a new sized and positioned widow everytime. Why change it from a remembered window size and position like it was before this patch, The multiple corp hangers settings are ok just makes no sence with wrecks, who loots or even gets the same wreck twice.
This. The loss of the lock window position option and/or the inability of wrecks to remember their window's position, renders the point of having the 'loot all' button moot.
And since there isn't an option to stick a shortcut to it (to the loot all button), and it doesn't get focus in the wreck window, you have to drag your mouse to the center of the screen every time you open a wreck and aim to hit it; extremely annoying in the heat of battle, or when mass looting missions.
Where before, wreck window had the right focus. Hitting alt-a and dragging all to your cargo worked faster than this. Mainly due to the reason that both your cargo and the wreck's window could remember their position (preferably back to back).
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Leah Solo
State War Academy Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2011.12.06 23:34:00 -
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Thank you for fixing the long loading of starmap! Now it opens fast and snappy again, as it shoud.
Faith restored in CCP: + 20%
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
7
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Posted - 2011.12.07 00:42:00 -
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The way it's sorting them in the drop-down is starting to bug the hell out of me. I use to number the groups so as to manually sort the groups based off of what was more important. Now, if I have more station insta-warps than system safes, using the insta-warps for their intended purpose is a pain in the ass. I'm starting to use the people/places window more than the right-click, as that's a lot faster. |
AshenShugar01
Heretic Army
0
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Posted - 2011.12.07 04:25:00 -
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Well you got me to sign into the new forums to declare my discontent... whatever genuis decided to mess with people's bookmarks needs to have his head examined. With a game that has had so many problems since the Incarna patch someone decides to 'fix' something that isnt broken???
The 'personal bookmarks' lunacy has to go, i mean.... "Let get the players to click even more when theyre trying to fly their ships. Its working fine, lets make it more complicated." ................Duh!!!! I'm actually embarrased for whoever made this mistake /o\
If people cant sort their BM's themselves bu adding numbers, codes, names or something give them a tutorial dont change the basic mechanics of how the game is played. |
Woo Glin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
273
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Posted - 2011.12.07 04:26:00 -
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pee pee doo doo bookmarks menu please fix it |
Agent Goce
NAGYZIGO NADUVARA
0
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Posted - 2011.12.07 05:53:00 -
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hell yeah!
cargo scanners workin again fine!!
GJ! |
Bahr Cudas
Beta Ray Bill
1
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Posted - 2011.12.07 06:17:00 -
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Crucible has been terrific so far. Nice job. And this coming from a High Sec PI enthusiast. Keep up the good work! |
Deriah Book
Fox Clan Inari Kimon
0
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Posted - 2011.12.07 07:12:00 -
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Shigeru Miyamoto
is a game designer
Shigeru Miyamoto
Hey! CCP! Call that guy ^^
Ya'll are pretty good sci-fi writers. You NEED solid advice about ergonomics in video games.
This patch is absolute ****. |
Ang Min
CPD Adventures Pte. Ltd.
1
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Posted - 2011.12.07 07:24:00 -
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shasby wrote:As the bookmark system was before this patch, we had the ability to access bookmarks in the "root" of the right-click menu. This permitted better control over the bookmark structure as we could have popular bookmarks, like our POS, in the root and less popular in folders. It seems to me that the best solution would be to allow corp bookmark folders too, giving complete control over the bookmark structure on the right-click menu. That way if a corp wants to distinguish their bookmarks they can put them all in a folder called, e.g. "corp", and an individual could use, if he wanted to add extra time to all his jumps, a folder called "Personal Locations" or such. This suggestion also permits both corp and individuals to use the root for the important bookmarks.
I'm guessing that the person who came up with the 1.01-version doesn't live in wormholes, where the majority of jumping is done using bookmarks?
You can create sub-folders in the Corporate Locations too, no problem there. The real problem, as Scrapyard Bob identified, is whenever you have more than 4 items (folders or bookmarks) reachable within the present solar system, they are automatically collapsed into either the Personal or Corporate folder, requiring you to mouse at least one more level over. Obviously this was a development decision to prevent the right-mouse pop-up menu from becoming too crowded, but choosing the arbitrary number '4' as the limit was a bad decision...users should have control over how many appear in the root menu and whether to collapse or not. |
Ang Min
CPD Adventures Pte. Ltd.
1
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Posted - 2011.12.07 08:10:00 -
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I submitted a bug on this (#120609) but got the reply that this is "by design", so I'll raise the issue here in hopes that someone will come to their senses and fix it:
Why can't we add a location (formerly known as bookmarks) to the Corporate folder via the right-mouse menu??? When you select ''Save Location...' from the right-mouse pop-up menu, only the Personal Locations folder is available, the Corporate Locations folder is not present in the dropdown box. Therefore, the only way to save a location to the Corporate Folder is to first save it to Personal Folder, then open People & Places, and then drag & drop from Personal to Corporate folder. And if you don't want the location to be duplicated in both folders (which most people probably won't), you also need to take an additional step to delete it from the Personal folder, since drag & drop in this case does a copy, not a move (which is inconsistent with normal drag & drop in Eve, where copy only happens if you hold down the shift key...but this is a separate bug).
What's the point of having Corporate bookmarks if I have to go through such machinations to save them? This isn't really any easier than old way of copying bookmarks to a corp hanger or secure can. And why even put the dropdown box there in the New Location window, when the only choice is Personal Locations? Makes no sense... |
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Presidente Gallente
Dark-Rising Executive Outcomes
4
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Posted - 2011.12.07 09:03:00 -
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Sharif elBadid wrote:shasby wrote:Jarnis McPieksu wrote:Right click menu change regarding bookmarks (sorry, "saved locations") is TERRIBLE - now your bookmarks are all behind one level of additional sub-menu ("Personal Locations" and "Corporate Locations"). When trying to dig up that POS bookmark for a fast getaway, this is going to get people killed...
I could see the current layout as an option, but the way it worked before today was the correct way - freely mixing your personal and corporate locations that are in the current system, all showing directly under the right click menu.
Sure, you could make them visibly different a single-character icon/letter before them or something, but this submenu system is just... FIX BACK NOW! :bittervet getting bitter:
Edit: to clarify, before today it was like this:
Bookmark 1 Bookmark 2 Bookmark 3
Today it is
Personal Locations > Bookmark1 Corporate Locations > Bookmark 2 ...................................Bookmark 3
(with the sub-menus behind > opening when you mouse over)
Acceptable way of tagging them could be:
P: Bookmark 1 C: Bookmark 2 C: Bookmark 3
Still could tell personal and corporate ones apart, but no silly submenus. Letter could be replaced with some kind of icon if needed. +1 ... Pisses me off!
It seems to annoy everyone. It's totally user unfriendly and especially in combat situations useless.
I recommend to use following layout:
--- Reset Camera --- Show Solar System in Map Browser --- Asteroid Belts > Planets > Stargates > Stations > --- Personal Locations Bookmark Folder 01 > Bookmark Folder 02 > --- Corporate Locations Bookmark Folder 01 > Bookmark Folder 02 > --- |
Hard1234
Dodging Bullets Tritech Industries
2
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Posted - 2011.12.07 09:13:00 -
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Thank you for puting line between personal and corp saved locations. Much better now. It was very confusing before. Most of the time I didnt know which locations are personal and which are corp. Now I can easily see which is which.
Thank you again. |
Merch BAYLOR
The Dex Initiative
0
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Posted - 2011.12.07 09:14:00 -
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Jarnis McPieksu wrote:Right click menu change regarding bookmarks (sorry, "saved locations") is TERRIBLE - now your bookmarks are all behind one level of additional sub-menu ("Personal Locations" and "Corporate Locations"). When trying to dig up that POS bookmark for a fast getaway, this is going to get people killed...
I could see the current layout as an option, but the way it worked before today was the correct way - freely mixing your personal and corporate locations that are in the current system, all showing directly under the right click menu.
Sure, you could make them visibly different a single-character icon/letter before them or something, but this submenu system is just... FIX BACK NOW! :bittervet getting bitter:
Edit: to clarify, before today it was like this:
Bookmark 1 Bookmark 2 Bookmark 3
Today it is
Personal Locations > Bookmark1 Corporate Locations > Bookmark 2 ...................................Bookmark 3
(with the sub-menus behind > opening when you mouse over)
Acceptable way of tagging them could be:
P: Bookmark 1 C: Bookmark 2 C: Bookmark 3
Still could tell personal and corporate ones apart, but no silly submenus. Letter could be replaced with some kind of icon if needed.
Can't you simply copy important location in the system from Corporate to Personal folder? I haven't logged after the 1.0.1 patch, but Crucible 1.0 showed all the personal locations where the old "My Places" would show up on the right-click menu.
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Mirajane Cromwell
27
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Posted - 2011.12.07 10:10:00 -
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Hey devs, can't you add the "Personal Locations" and "Corporate locations" to Overview window presets so that we could make the "locations" show up in our overview window??? Would make warping so much easier...
Besides, having all those actions behind right-click menus is bad for UI - I meet every day people at work who aren't customed to use right click menus in Windows environment and even after those have been shown to them, they lack the hand coordination to use the menus effectively (ie. fast).
So instead of forcing me to do the following:
right click space -> choose bookmark folder -> choose desired bookmark -> left click warp to
I should be able to look at overview window:
left click desired bookmark -> left click warp to
Which one you think is simpler?
PS. Also make mission locations appear in overview window. |
Spank mehard
Tasman Universal Industries
2
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Posted - 2011.12.07 10:42:00 -
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Please, Please, Please,Please,Please,Please,Please,Please,Please,Please,Please,Please,Please,Please,Please change the bookmarks back to how they were, Please! |
Presidente Gallente
Dark-Rising Executive Outcomes
4
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Posted - 2011.12.07 11:30:00 -
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The navigation method for the window needs to be changed, too. It will help a lot if the main menu and its sub-menus simply stay open as long as you don't select and click another menu item.
Method
right-click will open window as usual select your menu item left-click will open sub-menu and it will stay open right-click everywhere or left-click outside menu will close the whole window.
Example
right-click (opens window) select "bookmark folder"
left-click will open "bookmark menu" select "bookmark"
left-click will open "navigation menu" select "warp to 100"
left-click will close window and warp ship to your bookmark @ 100 |
Roime
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
54
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Posted - 2011.12.07 11:50:00 -
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Oh the nested bookmark folders definitely do not work at all :/ They need to be instantly clickable, and hunting for the bookmarks from flimsy menus is terrible.
Please consider other options for all contextual menus that are needed in combat situations!
Drone commands, bookmarks, warp to, etc. |
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
679
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Posted - 2011.12.07 12:00:00 -
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After this mini-update, bookmarks still being forced into sub-folders.
It still sucks. Please undo this really bad idea before it gets people blown up. Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
Rommiee
Mercury Inc. Death Rhubarb
9
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Posted - 2011.12.07 12:20:00 -
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Sobaan Tali wrote:The way it's sorting them in the drop-down is starting to bug the hell out of me. I use to number the groups so as to manually sort the groups based off of what was more important. Now, if I have more station insta-warps than system safes, using the insta-warps for their intended purpose is a pain in the ass. I'm starting to use the people/places window more than the right-click, as that's a lot faster.
You have to wonder if the guy who came up with this idea has actually played the game. At all. Ever.
I just cannot understand why someone would bring in such lunacy. In a PvP environment, any extra clicks, extra drop down folders to navigate through etc are a real pain in the ass.
Please change it back. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
62
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Posted - 2011.12.07 12:48:00 -
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What was the thinking behind the scan probe filter? This is a horrible feature and added nothing to the game and only creates problems.
Remove it please. |
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