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Elyia Suze Nagala Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 13	Posted - 2015.06.05 21:36:13 - [1] - Quote So I'm considering making some purchases of the new Jackdaw, but have seen few proven fits yet online. If anyone would like to, just chime in with some input on what works for you. It would be greatly appreciated. Elyia
Kaarous Aldurald Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE. 13307	Posted - 2015.06.05 21:37:04 - [2] - Quote Wrong forum. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 9915	Posted - 2015.06.05 21:40:21 - [3] - Quote Ships and modules =]\|[=
Paranoid Loyd 5669	Posted - 2015.06.05 21:40:26 - [4] - Quote Maybe you should start with a Corax. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!!!
Tollen Gallen Glory of Reprisal Enterprise 9120	Posted - 2015.06.05 21:49:01 - [5] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Maybe you should start with a Corax. This. I like Missiles. Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap. Your old Friends can use me for 7 days, free!!!
Elyia Suze Nagala Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 13	Posted - 2015.06.05 21:53:01 - [6] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Maybe you should start with a Corax. Have them, been rather successfully with them as a LR Kiter in tandem with a interceptor or tackle. I see these working differently, given the modes; though certainly they could function similarly in some cases.
ISD Decoy ISD Community Communications Liaisons 530	Posted - 2015.06.05 23:41:30 - [7] - Quote This has been moved to Ships & Modules. ISD Decoy Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Elyia Suze Nagala Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 13	Posted - 2015.06.06 00:29:17 - [8] - Quote Thanks Decoy, my apologies.
sargent utha Zappy Inc. 0	Posted - 2015.06.06 00:58:49 - [9] - Quote Hey Elyia Suze Nagala Hit me up ingame if you have spare time. we could worke some fits out together. Greetings..
stoicfaux 5815	Posted - 2015.06.06 01:45:27 - [10] - Quote PvE, but only to squeeze out a little more DPS and because a RLML with 8.75s reload time is kinda nice. Powergrid was a tad tight (103.5 out of 103.7) hence the cap rechargers (1 pg each) and civilian AB (2 pg.) [Jackdaw, Jackdaw fit] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Small C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II 1MN Civilian Afterburner Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Light Missile [Empty High slot] Small Ancillary Current Router II Small Ancillary Current Router II Small Ancillary Current Router I Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Mysa Alekhine's Gun The Periphery 40	Posted - 2015.06.07 10:11:52 - [11] - Quote Faction stuffs are cheap these days, i do like them republic extenders! [Jackdaw, LmLs] Damage Control II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Coreli A-Type 5MN Microwarpdrive Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Republic Fleet Target Painter Republic Fleet Medium Shield Extender Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile Expanded Probe Launcher II, Sisters Combat Scanner Probe Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Small Core Defense Field Extender II This for running Serpentis low end ded's like a baws! Swap the cheap and cpu easy domi hardeners for whatever faction you shoot. Propulsion mode to take range then go into defence mode and reps [Jackdaw, LmLs deds] Navy Micro Auxiliary Power Core Ballistic Control System II 10MN Afterburner I Patterned Stasis Web I Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Gistii A-Type Small Shield Booster Domination Thermic Dissipation Field Domination Thermic Dissipation Field Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile Light Missile Launcher II, Inferno Fury Light Missile Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe Small Bay Loading Accelerator I Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I SoloFoLife! -KEKE the Merlin wonder
Doctor Knuckles Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 115	Posted - 2015.06.07 10:38:42 - [12] - Quote really glad no one posted the very obvious cheat / op / godlike fit yet lol hint: i foresee a cpu nerf coming
Belthazor4011 For Your Bacon Only The Marmite Collective 176	Posted - 2015.06.07 13:35:11 - [13] - Quote Doctor Knuckles wrote: really glad no one posted the very obvious cheat / op / godlike fit yet lol hint: i foresee a cpu nerf coming She means the 3x Med Anci booster one. Its OK, nothing is OP if it cant catch you or keep up with you. Regardless the Jackdaw is only good for one thing. Low sec high value low cargo hauling. [Jackdaw, Low Sec Hauler] Inertial Stabilizers II Inertial Stabilizers II Medium Shield Extender II Medium Shield Extender II Medium Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints II Small Core Defense Field Extender II Small Core Defense Field Extender II Alligns in a single server tick (1 second) and has enough tank even in prop mode to take smartbomb hits. Tank in prop mode is 32k If you think many smartbombs are coming go defensive mode and get a 47k tank
Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance 562	Posted - 2015.06.07 15:37:24 - [14] - Quote Doctor Knuckles wrote: really glad no one posted the very obvious cheat / op / godlike fit yet lol hint: i foresee a cpu nerf coming I killed one today with no effort at all? One again though I know why they're there and the answer is still making them consume cap75's at least. Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
W0lf Crendraven Welfcorp 306	Posted - 2015.06.07 19:50:41 - [15] - Quote Doctor Knuckles wrote: really glad no one posted the very obvious cheat / op / godlike fit yet lol hint: i foresee a cpu nerf coming People who see medium abs usually overrate them tanking wise due to them only running for 20 seconds every minute, you get about 200 sustained rep, 7k ehp and 260dps. A zero bling dual rep + small cap booster svipul does more dps, tanks more, is way faster, applied dps way better, has the same tackle and has 2 small neuts or nos ontop of that.
Daemun Khanid Sanctus Imperialis 89	Posted - 2015.06.07 21:43:20 - [16] - Quote Most people just turn on all 3 of those at once which means they aren't really taking any dps for 20 seconds. After that they are left with maybe 6-8k ehp. Against a 20k ehp passive tanked t3dessi lets say he's doing 300 solid dps. At the end of that 20 seconds he's done about 6k damage leaving the passive tanked ship with 14k ehp. That's 7k ehp vs 14k ehp at the end of 20 seconds. If the opponent has even close to 300 dps the passive tanked ship still win's easily. The only time a 3 asb fit is worth anything is a fleet fight against frigates where he might not be primaried the entire time. He can than rep to full shield while he's not taking damage and still have an asb with charges left in reserve for the next time he gets shot at. Against anything with high alpha it's completely useless. He's only got about 1100 raw shield points and his shields will be completely stripped and he'll be taking little chunks of armor and structure damage with every volley. I easily killed one of these 3 asb jackdaws with my passive fit jackdaw yesterday and never got past 80% shields. I did have a sentinal assisting but his dps was obviously quite low and his td's and neuts had no effect. Even without the sentinals small amount of dps I would have probably won with around 60-70% shields remaining. If the enemy is VERY carefully managing his asb usage it "might" be viable but like I said in the beginning, most people just OH and activate all 3 at once. Silly fit is silly, Not op. Daemun of Khanid
Elyia Suze Nagala Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 14	Posted - 2015.06.08 01:23:37 - [17] - Quote Hmmm, some... interesting ideas, thanks guys keep them coming.
Amanda Chan Error 404 Pod Not Found 14	Posted - 2015.06.08 03:52:37 - [18] - Quote Gorski Car has made a posted a decent read here
Lloyd Roses Artificial Memories 1089	Posted - 2015.06.08 06:31:21 - [19] - Quote Some speculations regarding RHML Barghs for a fleet: 1700m/s cold, 180k ehp. 860dps with CN, 105m / 122m/s, 2.3k volley (x25) out to 94km. With 2 Enhancers roughly: 860dps, 86m / 155m/s, 2.3k volley out to 130(?)km, around 1.2k per volley applied to a linked, untackled ishtar (?) Doesn't look bad imho.
Amanda Chan Error 404 Pod Not Found 15	Posted - 2015.06.08 06:45:18 - [20] - Quote Lloyd Roses wrote: Some speculations regarding RHML Barghs for a fleet: 1700m/s cold, 180k ehp. 860dps with CN, 105m / 122m/s, 2.3k volley (x25) out to 94km. With 2 Enhancers roughly: 860dps, 86m / 155m/s, 2.3k volley out to 130(?)km, around 1.2k per volley applied to a linked, untackled ishtar (?) Doesn't look bad imho. Looks at post...Looks at title.....thinks somebody is lost ^_^

Doctor Knuckles Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 115	Posted - 2015.06.08 09:23:05 - [21] - Quote W0lf Crendraven wrote: Doctor Knuckles wrote: really glad no one posted the very obvious cheat / op / godlike fit yet lol hint: i foresee a cpu nerf coming People who see medium abs usually overrate them tanking wise due to them only running for 20 seconds every minute, you get about 200 sustained rep, 7k ehp and 260dps. A zero bling dual rep + small cap booster svipul does more dps, tanks more, is way faster, applied dps way better, has the same tackle and has 2 small neuts or nos ontop of that. Oh you're right, difference is when you go full **** with them with crystals, blue pill and siege links, and we both know plenty of people will do that. And, well, even with full ** but just half ** it's still pretty *** impressive, and cap independent. Now a single masb suddenly goes from "eh, ok, i can manage that" to "yeah right, ** that" tanking more than 900 dps. 20 secs every 60 (well, more, no savvy masb user lets it go continously really)... but you have 3 of them. Also, uhmm. you sure about applying damage better? I really am not
Lloyd Roses Artificial Memories 1089	Posted - 2015.06.08 10:21:39 - [22] - Quote Get light missiles instead of the triple MASB sh1tfit. I like dualprop/LMLs with ~18k buffer and paint/point/web together with 265 fury dps regarding cheap cookie cutters, and 10mn minitengu for something moderately pimped (i.E. the 150mil fitted range)
W0lf Crendraven Welfcorp 307	Posted - 2015.06.08 11:19:12 - [23] - Quote Doctor Knuckles wrote: W0lf Crendraven wrote: Doctor Knuckles wrote: really glad no one posted the very obvious cheat / op / godlike fit yet lol hint: i foresee a cpu nerf coming People who see medium abs usually overrate them tanking wise due to them only running for 20 seconds every minute, you get about 200 sustained rep, 7k ehp and 260dps. A zero bling dual rep + small cap booster svipul does more dps, tanks more, is way faster, applied dps way better, has the same tackle and has 2 small neuts or nos ontop of that. Oh you're right, difference is when you go full **** with them with crystals, blue pill and siege links, and we both know plenty of people will do that. And, well, even with full ** but just half ** it's still pretty *** impressive, and cap independent. Now a single masb suddenly goes from "eh, ok, i can manage that" to "yeah right, ** that" tanking more than 900 dps. 20 secs every 60 (well, more, no savvy masb user lets it go continously really)... but you have 3 of them. Also, uhmm. you sure about applying damage better? I really am not Links dont do so well with asbs as links have 3 effects, resitances, cap usage and cycle time. While resistances are great the other 2 are fairly bad as cycle time means you get faster into reload and cap usage is just plainly useless for asbs. And pith c type medium booster one tanks way way more (and can be made just as cap independent if you go dual injection). And anyways what would make this strong are the crystals (and the links). Lastly, the svipul can do the same thing all around better yet again.
SFM Hobb3s Wrecking Shots Black Legion. 301	Posted - 2015.06.08 17:05:40 - [24] - Quote For kiting, this ship is FAR outclassed by the Confessor. If you are going up against frigs or anything actually moving, your damage application is going to be far better with confessor. You will also do considerably more damage in far less time due to missile travel time (cancer in tidi btw so don't waste your time brining a kiting jackdaw on big fleets). Most of the time in a Confessor I have to pop my target within two volleys or they can react and warp off. Now, with Jackdaw, the target can warp off in the same amount of time before the first volley even hits them. That's missiles for you.
Doctor Knuckles Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 116	Posted - 2015.06.08 18:06:27 - [25] - Quote W0lf Crendraven wrote: Doctor Knuckles wrote: W0lf Crendraven wrote: Doctor Knuckles wrote: really glad no one posted the very obvious cheat / op / godlike fit yet lol hint: i foresee a cpu nerf coming People who see medium abs usually overrate them tanking wise due to them only running for 20 seconds every minute, you get about 200 sustained rep, 7k ehp and 260dps. A zero bling dual rep + small cap booster svipul does more dps, tanks more, is way faster, applied dps way better, has the same tackle and has 2 small neuts or nos ontop of that. Oh you're right, difference is when you go full **** with them with crystals, blue pill and siege links, and we both know plenty of people will do that. And, well, even with full ** but just half ** it's still pretty *** impressive, and cap independent. Now a single masb suddenly goes from "eh, ok, i can manage that" to "yeah right, that" tanking more than 900 dps. 20 secs every 60 (well, more, no savvy masb user lets it go continously really)... but you have 3 of them. Also, uhmm. you sure about applying damage better? I really am not Links dont do so well with asbs as links have 3 effects, resitances, cap usage and cycle time. While resistances are great the other 2 are fairly bad as cycle time means you get faster into reload and cap usage is just plainly useless for asbs. And pith c type medium booster one tanks way way more (and can be made just as cap independent if you go dual injection). And anyways what would make this strong are the crystals (and the links). Lastly, the svipul can do the same thing all around better yet again. let's consider it a moment (no links, implants, pills). A single c type tanks 188 dps. a single masb tanks 170, both running cold (around 240 and 270 with an invuln). With three, you're never gonna be without charges to run it, and you can occasionally run a cycle on the second for some burst tank if needed, plus cap independent. C-type relies on a cap booster, a single medium neut will your day, so a lot of cruisers will be out of the questions, while this thing can be a cruiser killing monster with rage rockets. 2 cap boosters are idiotic when you can run 3 masbs. A better argument would be one more midslot for i dunno, ewar, second web, another invuln, whatever really, but 2 cap boosters... really? SFM Hobb3s wrote:** For kiting, this ship is FAR outclassed by the Confessor. If you are going up against frigs or anything actually moving, your damage application is going to be far better with confessor. You will also do considerably more damage in far less time due to missile travel time (cancer in tidi btw so don't waste your time brining a kiting jackdaw on big fleets). Most of the time in a Confessor I have to pop my target within two volleys or they can react and warp off. Now, with Jackdaw, the target can warp off in the same amount of time before the first volley even hits them. That's missiles for you. very true. but imo it has its uses. small gang of confessor has trouble engaging bigger targets that can project damage, they're paper thin. This one you cna monster tank. Against small stuff, volley damage from a half dozen of this is going to be scary
Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance 565	Posted - 2015.06.09 15:24:08 - [26] - Quote If you're putting an invul on a jackdaw you're seriusly doing it wrong. Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
Lloyd Roses Artificial Memories 1094	Posted - 2015.06.09 17:48:08 - [27] - Quote SFM Hobb3s wrote: For kiting, this ship is FAR outclassed by the Confessor. If you are going up against frigs or anything actually moving, your damage application is going to be far better with confessor. You will also do considerably more damage in far less time due to missile travel time (cancer in tidi btw so don't waste your time brining a kiting jackdaw on big fleets). Most of the time in a Confessor I have to pop my target within two volleys or they can react and warp off. Now, with Jackdaw, the target can warp off in the same amount of time before the first volley even hits them. That's missiles for you. If you're putting a confessor next to about anything and ask for long range damage only, confessor will win handily. However, if you got a small gang and need some ewar like paints or a web on the combat prober, then the jackdaw has merit. Same when you're to apply dps at mid ranges to a tankier primary and you're not running with a 10man ishtar gang, the jackdaw does fine while providing a paint. If your group shrinks to 4-5 guys, the additional mids can make hell of a difference given the jackdaw's tank (at range) is fine with as little as an MSE and a rig or two.
SFM Hobb3s Wrecking Shots Black Legion. 307	Posted - 2015.06.16 19:26:51 - [28] - Quote Very good responses from Dr Knuckles and Lloyd Roses. +1'd you both
Dato Koppla Konvict Cartel The Asylum. 857	Posted - 2015.06.17 00:38:42 - [29] - Quote The main problem with any argument for a kiting LML Jackdaw is: You're slow as ****. The Jackdaw is insanely slow, with THREE speed mods and no links no implants in speed mode, you're doing 2.5km/s which is downright pathetic, an Omen Navy with 1 speed mod will run you down easily. Frigate gangs (which you're supposed to excel at killing) will just dogpile you easily since even the slowest MWD frigate will be able to catch you. Being able to mount a decent tank on your LML fit isn't going to help, once caught you're pretty much screwed TBH. There could be an argument for a Pithum C-Type fit with LML so when you get caught you can tank and continue fighting, but if you're going to get caught every time, why not just go rockets in the first place. Also after flying it around abit, here's a fun random 'ninja' pre nerf I noticed to make the Jackdaw worse than it already is: The Jackdaw gets cruiser scan res when not in sharpshooter mode. So when you're in sharpshooter mode your top speed is basically a 1600plate Maller so you're probably never going to go into sharpshooter when kiting unless you're just dpsing from a very long range. Outside of sharpshooter mode the Jackdaw takes 6.2 (yes SIX) seconds to lock a frigate (it's intended target). For comparison, the Svipul gets 36% better scan res (4.5 second lock on frigates) and the Confessor gets 20% better scan res (5.1 second lock on frigates) outside of Sharpshooter mode. I really don't get why there has to be such a huge disparity other than to just screw the Jackdaw over as much as possible.
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1418	Posted - 2015.06.18 08:22:31 - [30] - Quote Well, I was wrong in my initial estimates, the dual web brawler is really nasty. Really, really really nasty. The only thing you dont get full DPS with fury on is an inty O_O Alone, not great, part of a little fleet - I'll certainly give it a home.



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