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Aerandria Khaleia
Summa Omnium Metus
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Posted - 2015.06.06 03:06:04 -
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When I set long term goals for myself in EVE, one of those is to eventually have every skill I've injected to 5. All my armor skills are at 5, all my spaceship commands are at 5, etc. I'm not OCD or anything, but I think there's a satisfaction to that type of completion.
Unfortunately I have to balance that satisfaction against the horror of actually training Mining, Reprocessing, etc. to 5.
I'd love to see an option to either remove unwanted skills entirely, or perhaps cash them in for a percentage of their SP.
I'm assuming the idea has been tossed around before. What are some of the issues that would arise/technical challenges that would need to be overcome? |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
1045
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Posted - 2015.06.06 08:23:08 -
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It has been tossed around a bit. Some of the comments that generally pop up are:
"NO !! "
"EVE has consequences, unwanted skills are part of making decisions and living with the results."
"Do a forum search first!"
"Yes I hate mining skills."
"I'd support this 100% "
Cashing them in makes some sense at first glance, but that's where people could abuse the system some. And that's where most people give the loudest NO! (me included)
I'm with you on the one part, I hate training production skills and such that I just never see myself using again.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
31695
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Posted - 2015.06.06 11:18:54 -
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Injected Advanced Drone Interfacing not knowing what it was Maybe I'll train it one day just because This is the game that doesn't end It just goes on and on my friends Some people started playing it not knowing what it was and they'll continue playing it forever just because This is the skill train that never ends
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1674
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Posted - 2015.06.06 23:12:01 -
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Aerandria Khaleia wrote: Unfortunately I have to balance that satisfaction against the horror of actually training Mining, Reprocessing, etc. to 5.
they are just lvl1 if i'm not mistaken.... spend couple days and get them to V then forget.
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4957
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Posted - 2015.06.07 03:28:41 -
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Totally ruined this character when I injected Amarr Engineering Systems instead of Amarr Starship Engineering.
Would pay cash / aurum to remove such things. |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
8977
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Posted - 2015.06.07 03:40:11 -
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"BIOMASS and start over!"
ah if only we could I'd prolly dump all those tengu skillz I only got it for hacking sites, but that was before the mini-game revamp. My old explorer fleet has just sat there for years collecting dust. |
Dominique Vasilkovsky
BFG Tech
254
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Posted - 2015.06.07 10:57:51 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Totally ruined this character when I injected Amarr Engineering Systems instead of Amarr Starship Engineering. Would pay cash / aurum to remove such things. Have you tried to ask a gm about it.
Dominique Vasilkovsky EVEboard
Once known as:
Mashie Saldana sold - Anastasia Rigel sold - Monica Foulkes sold
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Cayrenne
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.06.07 12:36:43 -
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I fully understand and agree if a lot of players are against cashing in unwanted skills for SP (even penalized). The arguments are more than sufficient in many previous threads in the past.
However, I have seen a lot of players also rejecting a feature where a player can choose to delete skills, without expecting any SP compensation/cash-in. I can't understand why is this suggestion rejected?
If I want to erase my Mining skill out of my own volition, and not expecting any SP to be returned, why is it a bad thing? |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
220
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Posted - 2015.06.08 00:11:35 -
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Dominique Vasilkovsky wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Totally ruined this character when I injected Amarr Engineering Systems instead of Amarr Starship Engineering. Would pay cash / aurum to remove such things. Have you tried to ask a gm about it.
I have similar issue with my alt, more than a month of chains of e-mails with different GM's - and it was pretty much predicted a BIG hell "NO"! |
Dominique Vasilkovsky
BFG Tech
257
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Posted - 2015.06.08 11:18:43 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:Dominique Vasilkovsky wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Totally ruined this character when I injected Amarr Engineering Systems instead of Amarr Starship Engineering. Would pay cash / aurum to remove such things. Have you tried to ask a gm about it. I have similar issue with my alt, more than a month of chains of e-mails with different GM's - and it was pretty much predicted a BIG hell "NO"! Ah well, was worth a shot.
Dominique Vasilkovsky EVEboard
Once known as:
Mashie Saldana sold - Anastasia Rigel sold - Monica Foulkes sold
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Mag's
the united
19538
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Posted - 2015.06.08 21:57:55 -
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I would be fine with the removal of skills, but you do not get any of the SP back.
I have 2 skills that came with this character at birth, industry and mining. I didn't want either, but had no choice in the matter. So I can understand the need that some players have with removal. I just don't agree with keeping any of the SP.
**Destination SkillQueue:- **
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
221
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Posted - 2015.06.08 22:37:48 -
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Mag's wrote:I would be fine with the removal of skills, but you do not get any of the SP back.
I have 2 skills that came with this character at birth, industry and mining. I didn't want either, but had no choice in the matter. So I can understand the need that some players have with removal. I just don't agree with keeping any of the SP.
you so sensitive on skill reimbursment... |
Mag's
the united
19539
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Posted - 2015.06.09 00:09:56 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:Mag's wrote:I would be fine with the removal of skills, but you do not get any of the SP back.
I have 2 skills that came with this character at birth, industry and mining. I didn't want either, but had no choice in the matter. So I can understand the need that some players have with removal. I just don't agree with keeping any of the SP. you so sensitive on skill reimbursment... Only dependant upon why it's happening, not if.
If you wish to make changes to your skill sheet because you want to, then no SP redistribution. I want, is not a reason for change in this regard.
If CCP makes changes and removes a skill as they have in the past, then reimbursement of that SP is fine. That skill no longer has a use, therefore the SP is none functional. I'm sure there will be situations that may not go the way some like, but it's decided on a case by case basis by CCP. Like it or lump it. Some even want to keep skills that no longer have a use, as it adds to the value or uniqueness of their sheet. So it's not always black and white.
And before you suggest it, no. Ship and module balance is not the same thing. Just because your ship and or module was brought into line with others, doesn't mean you get the SP back because you're not happy with the change. That falls under the I want reasoning. CCP would be remiss if they didn't balance things in game and you in fact agreed to those changes, when you said yes to the EULA. Plus it's one of the pitfalls of FOTM or OP chasing.
**Destination SkillQueue:- **
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Saberlily Whyteshadow
Perkone Caldari State
73
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Posted - 2015.06.09 17:03:56 -
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The way that it currently is:
BUY the skill book vs. NOT buy the skill book INJECT the skill vs. NOT inject the skill TRAIN the skill vs. NOT train the skill KEEP the skill vs. ?????? (NOT keep the skill)
There is currently no choice decision for keeping the skill vs deleting the skill. In which case I see that the player should be allowed to decide if they want to KEEP the skill or DELETE the skill. |
stoicfaux
5860
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Posted - 2015.06.10 19:11:12 -
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Cons for deleting skills: a) It would require dev and testing time to implement.
b) High Risk: If there's any screw up with deleting skills, (akin to the boot.ini fiasco,) it would be a major time sink to fix.
c) Idiots. Someone (and you who you are) will screw up and press delete by mistake despite all safeguards, and CCP will need to implement an undelete feature and/or waste a technical resource on reverting accidental deletes. Remember, EVE has a mature player base, a few of whom don't fly sober.
d) There aren't enough of you OCD, anal retentive, and/or role players to justify a business reason (i.e. money) to implement such a feature. (Meaning, if you really want this feature, CCP needs to make money off of it.)
Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
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Velarra
394
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Posted - 2015.06.12 12:31:54 -
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RavenPaine wrote:It has been tossed around a bit. Some of the comments that generally pop up are:
Cashing them in makes some sense at first glance, but that's where people could abuse the system some. And that's where most people give the loudest NO! (me included)
You mean, such as ... say, buying an industry heavy character in the bazaar, deleting all of the industry skills and turning it into 31337 \o/ PVP char of doom? |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
1057
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Posted - 2015.06.12 17:05:58 -
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Velarra wrote:RavenPaine wrote:It has been tossed around a bit. Some of the comments that generally pop up are:
Cashing them in makes some sense at first glance, but that's where people could abuse the system some. And that's where most people give the loudest NO! (me included)
You mean, such as ... say, buying an industry heavy character in the bazaar, deleting all of the industry skills and turning it into 31337 \o/ PVP char of doom?
Exactly that. Characters have a value, and well skilled characters have a better value than average ones. Skill swaps would delete value across the board. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
997
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Posted - 2015.06.14 16:55:03 -
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Since the removal of clone costs there are barely any consequences left. So yes, why not? No SP refunding ofc.
Remove insurance.
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Etara Silverblade
Morex Group Inc. Haven.
39
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Posted - 2015.06.15 12:12:45 -
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What would be the point of removing skills? You're not getting anything back. It doesn't have any benefits.
And for those who injected the wrong skill, what would happen if you deleted the wrong skill? You'd ***** up a storm. Leaving it in causes no harm.
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
236
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Posted - 2015.06.15 12:17:44 -
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Etara Silverblade wrote:What would be the point of removing skills? You're not getting anything back. It doesn't have any benefits.
And for those who injected the wrong skill, what would happen if you deleted the wrong skill? You'd ***** up a storm. Leaving it in causes no harm.
It should be flexible, if you have injected wrong skill - submit a ticket to remove it, if you have deleted not the wrong but wrongly a skill - submit a ticket to have it back.
Very simple. |
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
331
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Posted - 2015.06.16 03:52:45 -
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Etara Silverblade wrote:What would be the point of removing skills? I think certain skills are mocked in some corporations.
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Morgan Agrivar
Yamaguchi Holding LLC
49
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Posted - 2015.06.16 11:11:39 -
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There are a few skills I would love to remove but like it was mentioned before, I made the mistake and have to live with it.
Does bother my OCD though...
"Out of all the people who have tried to kill me, you are my favorite."
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Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
776
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Posted - 2015.06.16 14:26:00 -
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Cayrenne wrote:I fully understand and agree if a lot of players are against cashing in unwanted skills for SP (even penalized). The arguments are more than sufficient in many previous threads in the past.
However, I have seen a lot of players also rejecting a feature where a player can choose to delete skills, without expecting any SP compensation/cash-in. I can't understand why is this suggestion rejected?
If I want to erase my Mining skill out of my own volition, and not expecting any SP to be returned, why is it a bad thing?
imagine someone hacking your account and erasing 10 years worth of skills.
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Cayrenne
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.06.16 18:00:35 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Cayrenne wrote:I fully understand and agree if a lot of players are against cashing in unwanted skills for SP (even penalized). The arguments are more than sufficient in many previous threads in the past.
However, I have seen a lot of players also rejecting a feature where a player can choose to delete skills, without expecting any SP compensation/cash-in. I can't understand why is this suggestion rejected?
If I want to erase my Mining skill out of my own volition, and not expecting any SP to be returned, why is it a bad thing? imagine someone hacking your account and erasing 10 years worth of skills.
Currently, a person hacking into your account can also delete all your assets, or worse, biomass all your characters.
Not to mention, before the removal of med clones, a hacker could already "erase your skills" by podding your character repeatedly without sufficient med clone, causing SP loss. |
Cayrenne
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.06.16 18:09:49 -
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*double post* |
Cayrenne
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.06.16 18:12:19 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Cons for deleting skills: a) It would require dev and testing time to implement. b) High Risk: If there's any screw up with deleting skills, (akin to the boot.ini fiasco,) it would be a major time sink to fix. c) Idiots. Someone (and you who you are) will screw up and press delete by mistake despite all safeguards, and CCP will need to implement an undelete feature and/or waste a technical resource on reverting accidental deletes. Remember, EVE has a mature player base, a few of whom don't fly sober. d) There aren't enough of you OCD, anal retentive, and/or role players to justify a business reason (i.e. money) to implement such a feature. (Meaning, if you really want this feature, CCP needs to make money off of it.)
A drunk player can also risk erasing all his assets, or biomassing all his characters. Should we remove the option to get rid of our assets or to biomass our characters then?
The argument saying that it would require dev time, that can be said for all features, popular and unpopular ones, that have been added to EVE. I'm pretty sure CCP is organized enough to assign devs working on different things, which means a dev working on SP will not necessarily disturb those working on sov system revamp, for example.
Not to mention, the system to remove/modify skills and SP is already in-game, as we all experienced during past skill revamps and removals. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
238
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Posted - 2015.06.16 22:48:49 -
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Cayrenne wrote:
The argument saying that it would require dev time, that can be said for all features, popular and unpopular ones, that have been added to EVE I'm pretty sure CCP is organized enough to assign devs working on different things, which means a dev working on SP will not necessarily disturb those working on sov system revamp, for example.
Not to mention, the system to remove/modify skills and SP is already in-game, ....
- well if that's the case then CCP is not well organized company with pure communication and coordination processes.
- please remind me where i can find this system. |
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