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Galavet Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.19 20:43:00 - [1] I am not sure if the saying is global or not, so I will sum it up. If you needlessly shout for help, and those who show up find out you're simply lying, they will be less apt to show up when you really need it. HC has cried wolf for the last eight weeks. Since the end of your operation ôBenny Hill Beachheadö waged in TPAR, the front line of the battle has been pushed through Paragon Soul, ever closer towards AZN. Yet HC continues to dish out the same tired lines to the masses, preaching of big plans and the death of BoB. Your men are starting to see past the pretty painting you hold in front of them, and see the real battlefield that is behind it. So far over 800 hobbits have seen the light and chosen to vacate rather than wait to be led like sheep to the slaughter. Just to further illustrate my point, this is how ASCN HC plans it (DS1 gets the credit for this one): Quote: We will go on a major offensive on EU TZ starting Friday or maybe Saturday depending on a few things. Be ready for Bob pwnage Saturday 19:00, the operation will continue for 4 consecutive days ending Tuesday And this is how the ASCN grunts see it: Quote: That means we have to create gangs, and with the recent loss of ships, nobody joins any gang if there's no official FC or HC in it. I'd love to be able to roam an kill stuff, people are just too much afraid imho John McCreedy and Cyvok, I am saying this directly to youà People do not enjoy being lied to, and they show their displeasure by leaving your side. So when it matters the most for ASCN, when everything you have worked to build is collapsing all around you and the big bad wolf is sitting on your front porch who will remain to hear your cries for help? Make another three-hour audio recording, hell write another one of your morale boosting novels if you think it will help save your alliance. I however think it will take more than words to patch the mighty walls of Jericho. Again, Credit this one to DS1: Quote: AS SOON AS WE CAN BRING OUR VAST SUPERIOR NUMBERS TO BEAR, THIS WAR IS OVER AND BOB WILL NOT HAVE A SINGLE STATION LEFT EVENTUALLY We are waiting. In the meantime Paragon Soul is now fully under BoB control. The defense we expected to see of your last few stations was non-existent. The remnants of your POS network are systematically being destroyed. Sadly, your latest tactical plan (aka The superblob) 150 Battleships and 100 support vessels, does not even dare engage our fleet. It would seem to me that your commanders still couldnÆt find the fortitude to make the tough call. Instead you run back to the shire and wait for BoB to jump into you, which of course we did. A truly pathetic display, formulated by some truly pathetic leaders. I just wonder what kind of pretty picture McCreedy and the crew will paint to make your last failure look a bit more pleasing to the average hobbits eyesà In closing, I would just like to make a quick observation about our recent trips to AZN. It would seem the lies propagated by HC amongst the ranks are now causing a portion of the ASCN memberbase to delude themselves regarding what "victory" really is; to claim a victory after last night's combat had us running for our dictionaries to check that the definition of the word hadn't changed. You can indeed only dream of it being defined in the way you claim it. And why is it that CLS only bring Titan to fight when their home is under siege? How do you think that makes the previous Paragon Soul station owners feel? Were they not good enough to be graced by its protection? The titan has to many flaws to put onto the field right? At least it does until its protecting CLS central, then its good enough to be a front line shipà When ASCN took Paragon Soul it was under the auspices that the region wasn't prepared for an invasion by BoB. That ASCN would fortify the area to make it in to a quagmire for our forces. The result? Nice Regionà Current RKK Ranking: (MIN100) CEO
Tholarim Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.19 20:45:00 - [2] We'll take it.
RealLiveGirl Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2006.11.19 20:48:00 - [3] I just can't get enough of BoB threads full of long, threatening, condescending posts which expose the original poster as an even bigger douchebag than the person he's insulting.
CJ70 Caldari Legionari Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.19 20:51:00 - [4] I was surprized to hear they used the Avatar last night especially after what CYVOK said on his post about BOBs use of their titan. What were the stats for the Azn fight btw
RedClaws Amarr Dragon's Rage Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.19 20:53:00 - [5] Boring! (+ you have no clue)
AvanCade Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.19 20:55:00 - [6] Paragon is now bob controlled. All hobbits are camping azn...
Geralt Rivia Xanadu	Posted - 2006.11.19 20:56:00 - [7] hmm u never get bored posting that stuff?
Lowa Gallente North Star Networks	Posted - 2006.11.19 20:57:00 - [8] Ah, what the hell, I might as well get in on the first page. Cheers, Lowa What if the truth was something else?
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.19 20:58:00 - [9] Edited by: Pilk on 19/11/2006 21:08:27 Well, time to get on the first page of a BoB zerg-post. There are deserters and spies in every war. Their existence is testament to their lack of honor and the lack thereof in their corporations' leadership. There are people in every war who go out of their way to read their enemies' internal communications. Some seem to revel in this underhandedness, even going so far as to repost these communications in a public forum. Needless to say, these people are similarly reviled as being without honor or pride. TS held Paragon and didn't have the forces or the werewithal to keep it. ASCN and AXE liberated it. Tragically, the pullout that followed was too complete, and the situation repeated itself. As you've now seen, ASCN doesn't give up on its home nearly so easily as its frontier. Expect more AZN-style t2-smacking as long as ASCN's experienced FC's and pilots continue to take the field. I won't mince words--you took Paragon Soul, and that is not a meaningless accomplishment. But it's the functional equivalent of taking the U.S. Virgin Islands--most people in the U.S. have never been there and wouldn't even know it's U.S. territory were it not for the name. Quit acting surprised that you get your asses handed to you when you show up in New York City and expect the same level of fight. Your skills are strong. Your allies are weak or nonexistant. Your capacity for forum smackage is never-ending. Your ability to win battles in this war has reached its end. Yours in Battle, Pilk Axiom Empire Edit: added content.
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.11.19 20:59:00 - [10] Edited by: Murukan on 19/11/2006 21:00:31 i'm getting a weird sense of deja vu. Like i've already read this thread before. I do have to admit though the nice region... With thol immedietly replying we'll take it was a good little forum coreography Manlove by Zaphod Jones
maGz The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.11.19 20:59:00 - [11] Meh... Gets kinda boring now ____________ The Priory Killboard
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:03:00 - [12] Originally by: Galavet Crying Wolf Actually I cry "**IN' VOICES DON'T LEAVE ME ALONE!" afterall they keep screaming about the freakin' bunny armed with peashooters, while I sit down and see the whales flying! But who cares! I have the mighty pen of the dragon that can write 100001 words per second! All I need is the ox to sit down and start reading "War & Peace" and I WILL RULE THE WORLD!!!!11oneoneone ------- Originally by:** Tiuwaz for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons
Massao Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:05:00 - [13] Originally by: CJ70 What were the stats for the Azn fight btw 8 battleships lost, 30+ killed. Details are on the usual website.
Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:06:00 - [14] Edited by: Darko1107 on 19/11/2006 21:07:48 Good post. I do agree that ASCN HC has made many bad decisions. Shouting about an easy victory while doing absolutely nothing to bring it is, in my mind, completely unbelievable. How ANY ASCN member didnt stand up and tell them to **** off right there and then is even more unbelievable. However, while bob are continueing to rip ASCN apart harshly, I do feel for ASCN HC as thier alliance falls apart around them. Coulda left out the last line, super cheesy. ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Brunswick2 eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:08:00 - [15] I knew the last thread about the AZN engagement was missing something... --------------------------------- I traded your sig for a cookie, I did it for the cookie, the cookie - Tirg
Major Stormer Caldari Red Storm Vendetta	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:10:00 - [16] Look Mum, im in Yet Another BOB V ASCN thread! Cant you guys use the existing threads for this? serously.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:13:00 - [17] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 19/11/2006 21:15:27 Originally by: Pilk Your ability to win battles in this war has reached its end. Hmm, yessss. You probably don't mind if I keep this little gem for use in a comic reply later tonight right ? Provided of course that ASCN's FC can find the testicular fortitude to take his twice as large gang and jump it into us within now and say an hour or two. Old blog
VonKaplanek III Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:17:00 - [18] Hey Galavet.....Your tiresome propaganda from spying our forums is getting real old. We had a blast last night, Loads of fun all around!! The best you can hope is to make us destruct ourselves. If fights like last night keep happeneing that surely wont happen. We getting better everyday and you guys know it!! Victory for us is very different that victory for you at this point. If we have fun and see bob explosions its a victory. Did we pwn you?...certainly not, but did you lose roughly 1/2 of your fleet yesterday..yes you did. That spells F-U-N for us :) Thank You and hope we can do it again. Respect to all for great fights!!
Reilu Desportus Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:18:00 - [19] Edited by: Reilu Desportus on 19/11/2006 21:20:04 Originally by: Pilk Edited by: Pilk on 19/11/2006 21:08:27 Well, time to get on the first page of a BoB zerg-post. There are deserters and spies in every war. Their existence is testament to their lack of honor and the lack thereof in their corporations' leadership. There are people in every war who go out of their way to read their enemies' internal communications. Some seem to revel in this underhandedness, even going so far as to repost these communications in a public forum. Needless to say, these people are similarly reviled as being without honor or pride. TS held Paragon and didn't have the forces or the werewithal to keep it. ASCN and AXE liberated it. Tragically, the pullout that followed was too complete, and the situation repeated itself. As you've now seen, ASCN doesn't give up on its home nearly so easily as its frontier. Expect more AZN-style t2-smacking as long as ASCN's experienced FC's and pilots continue to take the field. I won't mince words--you took Paragon Soul, and that is not a meaningless accomplishment. But it's the functional equivalent of taking the U.S. Virgin Islands--most people in the U.S. have never been there and wouldn't even know it's U.S. territory were it not for the name. Quit acting surprised that you get your asses handed to you when you show up in New York City and expect the same level of fight. Your skills are strong. Your allies are weak or nonexistant. Your capacity for forum smackage is never-ending. Your ability to win battles in this war has reached its end. Yours in Battle, Pilk Axiom Empire Edit: added content. SO is your definition of getting your arse handed to to is in fact when ASCN kill less ships than they lose? Dude, you need to wake up. ASCN only got kills because BOB jumped in on you. I recomend you have a good look at what your saying and stop babbling the crap you are. ASCN have not got the balls to jump in on a smaller fleet let alone a larger fleet, period!
Brunswick2 eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:20:00 - [20] Edited by: Brunswick2 on 19/11/2006 21:20:51 Originally by: Reilu Desportus alt stuff Post with your main! --------------------------------- I traded your sig for a cookie, I did it for the cookie, the cookie - Tirg
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:27:00 - [21] The crying in local said it all to me. Death is closer than you think and I am bringing him to you. You Will Cry My Name
Darkstar BP Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:30:00 - [22] Another week, another pathetic morale-boosting Eve-O blog by the BoB leadership. Fact: more people showed up in more BS than ever before. Higher percentage of T2 too. So much for the so-called demoralization of ASCN. ASCN is improving. Fact: our FC was smart enough not to engage when he couldn't win. Must be frustrating for the BoB-leadership: ASCN is improving. Fact: we lost 18B according to BoB killboard in the last week. 4400 members: 4 mio per member. Pathetic result for BoB. Again: ASCN is improving. Fact: Bob Forum attacks increasing: BoB is improving at least in one way. Go ahead guys have fun.
Phoenus Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:32:00 - [23] Edited by: Phoenus on 19/11/2006 21:32:51 Originally by: Darkstar BP Another week, another pathetic morale-boosting Eve-O blog by the BoB leadership. Fact: more people showed up in more BS than ever before. Higher percentage of T2 too. So much for the so-called demoralization of ASCN. ASCN is improving. Fact: our FC was smart enough not to engage when he couldn't win. Must be frustrating for the BoB-leadership: ASCN is improving. Fact: we lost 18B according to BoB killboard in the last week. 4400 members: 4 mio per member. Pathetic result for BoB. Again: ASCN is improving. Fact: Bob Forum attacks increasing: BoB is improving at least in one way. Go ahead guys have fun. Losing 18 Billion ISKs worth of ships, in one week - no matter how many members you have, is not a 'pathetic result'. [ 2006.08.16 20:49:06 ] (combat) Your Electron Blaster Cannon II barely scratches Dominix [NTEMS]<HELLH>(Dominix), causing 1908.4 damage.
Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:40:00 - [24] Originally by: Darkstar BP Another week, another pathetic morale-boosting Eve-O blog by the BoB leadership. Fact: more people showed up in more BS than ever before. Higher percentage of T2 too. So much for the so-called demoralization of ASCN. ASCN is improving. Fact: our FC was smart enough not to engage when he couldn't win. Must be frustrating for the BoB-leadership: ASCN is improving. Fact: we lost 18B according to BoB killboard in the last week. 4400 members: 4 mio per member. Pathetic result for BoB. Again: ASCN is improving. Fact: Bob Forum attacks increasing: BoB is improving at least in one way. Go ahead guys have fun. Tbh i like to take the **** out of bob as much as possible. But this is just getting silly! FACT: BOB Have taken multiple stations from ASCN FACT: ASCN have taken NONE of BoB's stations. FACT: ASCN Have lost Members FACT: BoB Have not lost members. Im sorry but your drivel about ASCN improving has NOTHING to do with who is winning the war. Youve lost space, Youve lost members, youve lost morale. If however you do keep improving (might wanna do so a bit quicker), you might at some point stand even the slightest chance of winning. TBH i'd just see if you can call in LV/AXE/mypetcat now before it gets to late. Hell Pay sum1, or everyone, to fight for you. Your losing bad, its time to pull out all the stops. ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Ituralde Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:44:00 - [25] ASCN could have the most amazing kill/loss ratio in EVE against BOB but they still would be losing. Battles are won by they who hold the field at the end. Territorial Wars are won by they who hold the space in question at the end. Wars in general are won by they who survive the war and come out on top. Kill/loss ratios factor into this nowhere. The telling factor is a Paragon Soul with BOB's name on it. Myself, I did not think such an utter loss to be possible. Losing an ENTIRE REGION in what, 4 weeks? I have heard stories of spineless fleet command, poor alliance management, terrible strategic decisions, but frankly, I don't know what to beleive. The loss of Paragon Soul seems to indicate that Bob's take on the deal is accurate but the forums seem awfully one-sided in their favor. So, in the interests of a more balanced perspective, I would like to ask the ASCN membership a few questions. 1. Is there a ship replacement program for ships lost in fleet engagements? If so, could you explain how it works? 2. Is there some sort of plan everyone knows for how your alliance plans to defeat BOB? 3. This one is also a question for BoB, are there ever BoB fleets that stay in one spot in a battleground system (one with a fleet present from each side) for 20 minutes or more at a time? 4. Is the average ASCN member decently wealthy and are they easily able to make a significant amount of money in a short period of time? 5. What does the average ASCN member think the reason is their alliance lost Paragon Soul? What is the High Command's opinion? 6. Do you consider your Fleet Commanders to be agressive? Too Agressive? Not agressive enough? Explain your reasoning too. I would say these are honest questions, easily answerable ones I should assume. Not intended as a flame, I just see a lot of BoB threads that devolve into flame wars, but really I don't get a balanced average ASCN perspective on the matter, such things are really hard to get from the flaming tossed between the various sides. If these questions seem like a flame, I might advise that you look inside your alliance and ask yourselves why. Ive always had a soft spot for ASCN, I thought the mass outpost construction was pretty sweet, it makes my carebear side smile. So, if I could understand a little bit of their end I would really appreciate it. No alliance in EVE should die as fast as it appears ASCN might. Fear is the mind-killer.
Therem Harth DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:47:00 - [26] Illustration: http://youtube.com/watch?v=dvBPCm25z4I
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:48:00 - [27] Originally by: Rod Blaine Provided of course that ASCN's FC can find the testicular fortitude to take his twice as large gang and jump it into us within now and say an hour or two. You're the aggressor, remember? The onus is not on ASCN to do something; if the status quo doesn't change, you lose. <3, --P
Knocturnal Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:57:00 - [28] Edited by: Knocturnal on 19/11/2006 21:57:28 Well tbh i dunno why people keep whiening around here. This thread is ment to let people know how the situation is on teh front line. Till now ASCN could bring only big words out. Never saw them attacking us. They managed to blob BoB. Yeah it was 68ft or what ? So my persoanl point of view is ASCN should start talking when they got the guts to fight. Regards
BlackDog Rackh'am Minmatar Maza Nostra Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.19 21:57:00 - [29] Originally by: Galavet And why is it that CLS only bring Titan to fight when their home is under siege? How do you think that makes the previous Paragon Soul station owners feel? Were they not good enough to be graced by its protection? The titan has to many flaws to put onto the field right? At least it does until its protecting CLS central, then its good enough to be a front line shipà When ASCN took Paragon Soul it was under the auspices that the region wasn't prepared for an invasion by BoB. That ASCN would fortify the area to make it in to a quagmire for our forces. The result? Nice Regionà That's a really interesting comment that has a sense of deja vu for me. The previous alliance that CLS was in, collapsed when their home region was starting to get overrun. At that point, there was a call made that all of the alliance should focus their efforts there. Back then this was highly impractical, since not all 0.0 stations had the amount of services they have today. Not to mention that the rest of the alliance corps had to relocate through heavily contested areas in a very small timeframe and while being outnumbered. CLS and the feyth corps that made the bulk of the alliance number-wise were US timezone, the ones who had to relocate where smaller EU timezone corps, sharing the same prime time with the bulk of the hostile forces. Also, a lot of the corps had been bled totally dry by that point, couldn't field battleship gangs and would have been better used as a guerilla force behind the enemy lines. Since ground had been lost, this meant they wouldn't have to relocate at all to disrupt the incoming enemy tide. Most of all, there was no earlier planning regarding office slots or logistics whatsoever. These guys just had to stick it out in the frontiline on their own till feyth got swamped, which signalled the order to abandon everything and run to the rescue. A lot of fighters that didn't were cut loose and set to -ve while the feyth corps formed ASCN and secured a separate peace for them. As i was heavily involved in those events, i am very curious to see how this situation plays out eventually. Originally by: Pilk Edited by: Pilk on 19/11/2006 21:08:27 TS held Paragon and didn't have the forces or the werewithal to keep it. ASCN and AXE liberated it. Tragically, the pullout that followed was too complete, and the situation repeated itself. Interesting choice of words for a situation that occured to both TS and ASCN. The existence of a double standard of judgement is plainly obvious to the blindest of men. I guess that it's safe to say BoB is now liberating ASCN space too? Or that ASCN did unto TS exactly what BoB is currently doing to them? You could pick one of the above two and (point of emphasis) apply it to both entities, but not apply each one selectively to a group alone. Just my 0.02 isk
Revelatia Clandestia	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:02:00 - [30] Edited by: Revelatia on 19/11/2006 22:12:42 @ Ituralde 1. On an alliance/fleet level no, on a corp level, in some corps yes, in others, you just go back to the rear and rat/mine to replace your losses. 2. There is no plan that everyone knows, hell there is hardly a plan that more than a couple of people know, bar just about all of BoB that is. The secrecy that we work under is in my opinion our greatest failing, as no one really knows what the hell to do. Oh, and the defeat part... dude breaking even without being driven from 0.0 will be a result, defeating them is "pie in the sky" 3. Yes but they usually hang around at POS's or rotate SS until warped to go pew pew. 4. It depends, some are, some aren't usually dependent on how much they can play. Despite what the general populace feel, on a regular player level, we aren't rich. 5. Quite a few reasons actually... a. Obsessive and counter-productive secrecy. BoB knows more about us overall than the average ASCN, directors and CEO's included. b. Improper planning and execution c. Not enough FC's d. Compromised forums and teamspeak. e. Bob are VERY good at this, we are not. 6. Our FC's, what few there are, after a large loss, get a grilling and a blow by blow account, multiple times, of what they "should" have done, or "shouldn't". As a result, most fleets are purely defensive, with flyby attacks and HUGE amounts of POS sitting. EDIT - Spelling and a little elaboration.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:02:00 - [31] Originally by: Pilk Originally by: Rod Blaine Provided of course that ASCN's FC can find the testicular fortitude to take his twice as large gang and jump it into us within now and say an hour or two. You're the aggressor, remember? The onus is not on ASCN to do something; if the status quo doesn't change, you lose. <3, --P What ? So, we take a complete region from ASCN in 4 weeks without losing a single battle of note, killing an unprecedented numbe of ships in our history, achieving an unprecedented kill ratio and killing over a dozen capitals for losing next to none... Yet, if everything were to freeze right now and nothing would move from this point on we'd still have lost according to you. Interesting perspective, particularly how we've no intention of stopping what we've started yet to my knowledge. ASCN set themselves some objectives for yesterday that they didn't quite make because they ran and got killed alot in AZN, they know what I mean even if you don't. Today was chance number 2, and surprise, they've not dared to confrint us directly. Time is running out, and it's most definately ASCN it is running out for, not BoB. Old blog
Fassin Zakalwe Amarr BlueTuba	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:04:00 - [32] This is like bad daytime television. - Ooooomph!
Smith Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:06:00 - [33] Originally by: Pilk Originally by: Rod Blaine Provided of course that ASCN's FC can find the testicular fortitude to take his twice as large gang and jump it into us within now and say an hour or two. You're the aggressor, remember? The onus is not on ASCN to do something; if the status quo doesn't change, you lose. <3, --P With that mentality you are going to loose your space. If you dont counter attack YOU LOSE!
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:06:00 - [34] Wait, wait wait. Now, I'll be the first to admit I haven't been keeping up with things as much as I have in the past, but what are these ASCN claims to have decimated half of a BoB fleet in AZN? Today I see quite a few BoB losses in AZN, surely. But you want to claim victory for killing as many frigates/cruisers as you lost in battleships? You may want to see your nearest physician, I think you've fallen into some sort of mass-hysteria. Oh, and don't even try to say that losing 18b in a week means nothing to your alliance. Dividing up numbers per member means nothing, especially when a large portion of those members aren't doing anything at all productive.
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:09:00 - [35] Edited by: scabbsssjr on 19/11/2006 22:09:21 So you do have full control over paragon soul? that explains the new outposts of yours. I am still waiting for another Cyvok blog. _ What ever I say is my own views and not of my corp.
BoinKlasik Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:12:00 - [36] 2 posts on the front page Pilk? paying too much attn to the forums now you are. Who is up in the rotation to post the next week summary of whats going on? Is it Molle's turn again? Thats all I care about here, at least the SE sufferers in relative peace and quiet. doh, I broke my edited sig :/ cries this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr! ~kieron Didn't I tell you? The damsel moved in with me, we're having a great time. - Wrangler The damsel may not be distressed any more, but how many times does the informant have to be silenced before he gets the message? - Cortes
Farham Gallente AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:25:00 - [37] Grats to you BOBers on Paragon! I genuinely hope you enjoy the next months baby sitting it while everyone else rushes to the new Kali zones See you BOBers out there soon. I'll be the one in the poorly fitted ship named something like "My other ship is a Barge" performing PvP in a way that can only be described as "**** poor" but all the while having a blast
Mar Drakar LDK	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:29:00 - [38] darko ffs.. if I were you i'd be sitting quiet in your nappers club. -- Make your life worth dying. CEO LDK
Kaleeb Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:30:00 - [39] Mercs for hire
VonKaplanek III Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:30:00 - [40] Originally by: Righteous Fury Today I see quite a few BoB losses in AZN, surely. But you want to claim victory for killing as many frigates/cruisers as you lost in battleships? In yesterdays fight they lost 1/2 of their numbers, they finally left because it was bedtime and they had very little support left. In the 30 or so ASCN BS losses, we will get majority back because thet happened in teh node crash. We scored alot of t2 ship kills and we had fun!! We dont care what they say, bottom line is last night we did very well against the bob pvp machine and again i say...we had fun!
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:34:00 - [41] Originally by: VonKaplanek III In the 30 or so ASCN BS losses, we will get majority back because thet happened in teh node crash. We've been fighting alongside node crashes for nearly 2 months now and yet you guys STILL whine about us jumping in. Get over it. Try and realise that SOMETIMES jumping IN (instead of being cowards and camping a gate) might actually be to you advantage
LoxyRider Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:34:00 - [42] The "we are learning/improving" line still *****s me up. How long has ASCN been around? You cant keep using the same line forever, someday you'll have to open your eyes and realise something pretty obvious.
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:38:00 - [43] I just wanna say that some ppl obviously spent to much time infront of their PCs and lost touch with reality and common sence. I would suggest this game require some RL expiriance before you play it....or you might end up in loonyhouse very soon. This ainght a joke sadly Darth Solo=McCready...in different package
Soulis Slacker Industries	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:44:00 - [44] Good read.
Ituralde Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:47:00 - [45] As per the results I have thus far to my questions: 1. ASCN appears to have a mighty industrial backbone, why no replacement program to keep your fighters fighting? You should be able to zerg BOB with battleships, losses be ****ed. Its your space you are out to defend, nobody cares about your kill/loss ratio. You have the industrial backbone to build a titan and spam outposts, this is really not a hard thing to do. Put the miners to work. They should be able to make enormous amounts of fitted battleships for sale at cost or at platinum insurance value for their alliancemates such that the alliance can send them in one after another into the meat grinder. Who cares if BoB gets kills if for every one battleship dead, everyone can just warp to the station, dock, and undock in a new battleship and warp back into the fight? What an extreme waste of resources. 2. Its never good to fight for a leadership that does not tell you what they are doing or what they expect you to do. This is not how to lead an alliance and expect people to fight for it. 3. Still looking for more replies here, but it sounds to me like its Scan Probe time... 4. A tragedy when compiled with the result from question 1. 5. Predictable. Sad to see what BOB said was right... 6. Seems more a problem with people caring about losing ships, which should not happen in a large alliance. Anyhow, I guess it remains to be seen if ASCN bleeds Esoteria before they remedy their mistake... Fear is the mind-killer.
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:53:00 - [46] When all is said and done, regardless of ship losses, moral blogs internal bickering, fear of engagement etc. This is about control of space and stations. BoB has now taken a region and all the stations within it, these are results which are not disputable and will not be replaced by GM's because it was a tad laggy. ASCN need to learn to fight and learn to take down POS's or they should start looking for a new home now, they've had their 'learning time', now its time they actually started to beat bob or lose their space.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:58:00 - [47] Edited by: DB Preacher on 19/11/2006 23:02:26 Originally by: VonKaplanek III Originally by: Righteous Fury Today I see quite a few BoB losses in AZN, surely. But you want to claim victory for killing as many frigates/cruisers as you lost in battleships? In yesterdays fight they lost 1/2 of their numbers, they finally left because it was bedtime and they had very little support left. In the 30 or so ASCN BS losses, we will get majority back because thet happened in teh node crash. We scored alot of t2 ship kills and we had fun!! We dont care what they say, bottom line is last night we did very well against the bob pvp machine and again i say...we had fun! Hi, Here are the Kills/Losses from 23:16 until 02:40 in AZN. BoB Kills on ASCN. 46 Battleships. 100 Support. ASCN Kills on BoB. 8 Battleships. 60 Support. Numbers speak for themselves really and your posts about you winning this battle on your forums is hilarious. If this is losing then ho ho ho, as the fat man says. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Tholarim Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.19 22:59:00 - [48] Edited by: Tholarim on 19/11/2006 23:01:08 The current tactic is also quite funny. They move towards paragon, in a big fleet (140 ish). Then when bob forms a fleet, they move back to feythabolis, into a system where a titan is, and wait for bob to jump in so they can doomsday us, while some of our support kills a few of their bs in that system. If that was your big push for this weekend then you are really in serious trouble. If you wanna reclaim anything, or even try to hurt us, you'll have to bring it. Else i would start thinking about removing your assets from key systems in feyth, so they don't get locked in.
Revelatia Clandestia	Posted - 2006.11.19 23:04:00 - [49] @ - Ituralde 1. This is not the almighty backbone that people continue to think it is, in that is isn't working in a joined up way, with effective oversight and selfless input. As I said, some corps do have a replacement program, but most pilots are either replacing their own losses when they can, or charitable members are replacing them for them. As to why there is no alliance level replacement program, that could be a very long answer.. the short version is I think even the HC realise it just wouldn't be feasible. 2. There is no cohesive plan, and even when gangs are told to form they aren't told even vaguely what for, so cant fit accordingly. Plus actually getting a gang invite and into the right TS channel can be more painful than home dentistry at times. 3. Not as such, fleets until recently have been ordered NOT to play it BoB's way, dont slug it out, but to hit and run, flyby shootings etc... This has resulted in endless hours, and yes i'm talking four and more at times... of nothing but POS sitting. 4. Don't get me wrong, their are some very wealthy people, but the average member is not. 5. Quite frankly, most of what they have posted to date has been right. That itself is distasteful. 6. Not so much the losing of ships, hell if you live in 0.0 you should expect to lose ships, more of a "WTF was the FC doing to lose that ****!" followed by the FC and gang members at the time saying "We did this because..."
killerco Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.19 23:08:00 - [50] Originally by: Darcuese I just wanna say that some ppl obviously spent to much time infront of their PCs and lost touch with reality and common sence. I would suggest this game require some RL expiriance before you play it....or you might end up in loonyhouse very soon. This ainght a joke sadly i couldn't agree more, so tell it too your alliance mates Don't be a great man just be a man
killerco Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.19 23:10:00 - [51] P.S. Since BOB is saying that our objective was not met this weekend. But as a matter of fact it was and they know it Don't be a great man just be a man
ChaosOne Caldari DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.19 23:11:00 - [52] Edited by: ChaosOne on 19/11/2006 23:12:15 Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 19/11/2006 23:02:26 Originally by: VonKaplanek III Originally by: Righteous Fury Today I see quite a few BoB losses in AZN, surely. But you want to claim victory for killing as many frigates/cruisers as you lost in battleships? In yesterdays fight they lost 1/2 of their numbers, they finally left because it was bedtime and they had very little support left. In the 30 or so ASCN BS losses, we will get majority back because thet happened in teh node crash. We scored alot of t2 ship kills and we had fun!! We dont care what they say, bottom line is last night we did very well against the bob pvp machine and again i say...we had fun! Hi, Here are the Kills/Losses from 23:16 until 02:40 in AZN. BoB Kills on ASCN. 46 Battleships. 100 Support. ASCN Kills on BoB. 8 Battleships. 60 Support. Numbers speak for themselves really and your posts about you winning this battle on your forums is hilarious. If this is losing then ho ho ho, as the fat man says. dbp why not try adding in the bob lite losses as well. I belive it was us collecting the loot after the battle as well.....
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.19 23:13:00 - [53] Originally by: ChaosOne Edited by: ChaosOne on 19/11/2006 23:12:09 Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 19/11/2006 23:02:26 Originally by: VonKaplanek III Originally by: Righteous Fury Today I see quite a few BoB losses in AZN, surely. But you want to claim victory for killing as many frigates/cruisers as you lost in battleships? In yesterdays fight they lost 1/2 of their numbers, they finally left because it was bedtime and they had very little support left. In the 30 or so ASCN BS losses, we will get majority back because thet happened in teh node crash. We scored alot of t2 ship kills and we had fun!! We dont care what they say, bottom line is last night we did very well against the bob pvp machine and again i say...we had fun! Hi, Here are the Kills/Losses from 23:16 until 02:40 in AZN. BoB Kills on ASCN. 46 Battleships. 100 Support. ASCN Kills on BoB. 8 Battleships. 60 Support. Numbers speak for themselves really and your posts about you winning this battle on your forums is hilarious. If this is losing then ho ho ho, as the fat man says. dbp why not try adding in the bob lite losses as well. I belive it was us collecting the loot after the battle as well..... Those losses are from our KB, they are BoB iga and ASCN iga. If you have any missing lossmails from our side please feel free to send them to us and we'll post them. I hope you've got loads, tbh, because on these stats you guys got bbq'd pretty bad, despite being on the camp.
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.19 23:13:00 - [54] Edited by: Nira Li on 19/11/2006 23:13:37 Originally by: ChaosOne Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 19/11/2006 23:02:26 Originally by: VonKaplanek III Originally by: Righteous Fury Today I see quite a few BoB losses in AZN, surely. But you want to claim victory for killing as many frigates/cruisers as you lost in battleships? In yesterdays fight they lost 1/2 of their numbers, they finally left because it was bedtime and they had very little support left. In the 30 or so ASCN BS losses, we will get majority back because thet happened in teh node crash. We scored alot of t2 ship kills and we had fun!! We dont care what they say, bottom line is last night we did very well against the bob pvp machine and again i say...we had fun! Hi, Here are the Kills/Losses from 23:16 until 02:40 in AZN. BoB Kills on ASCN. 46 Battleships. 100 Support. ASCN Kills on BoB. 8 Battleships. 60 Support. Numbers speak for themselves really and your posts about you winning this battle on your forums is hilarious. If this is losing then ho ho ho, as the fat man says. dbp why not try adding in the bob lite losses as well. Well it's not our fault Dorkstar can't read our killboard. Losses are there, just look at them And picking up your own loot doesn't count You Will Cry My Name
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.19 23:14:00 - [55] Originally by: ChaosOne Edited by: ChaosOne on 19/11/2006 23:12:09 Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 19/11/2006 23:02:26 Originally by: VonKaplanek III Originally by: Righteous Fury Today I see quite a few BoB losses in AZN, surely. But you want to claim victory for killing as many frigates/cruisers as you lost in battleships? In yesterdays fight they lost 1/2 of their numbers, they finally left because it was bedtime and they had very little support left. In the 30 or so ASCN BS losses, we will get majority back because thet happened in teh node crash. We scored alot of t2 ship kills and we had fun!! We dont care what they say, bottom line is last night we did very well against the bob pvp machine and again i say...we had fun! Hi, Here are the Kills/Losses from 23:16 until 02:40 in AZN. BoB Kills on ASCN. 46 Battleships. 100 Support. ASCN Kills on BoB. 8 Battleships. 60 Support. Numbers speak for themselves really and your posts about you winning this battle on your forums is hilarious. If this is losing then ho ho ho, as the fat man says. dbp why not try adding in the bob lite losses as well. I belive it was us collecting the loot after the battle as well..... This is a very silly argument, killing the allies of an entity is not killing that entity and tbh i think it has very little overall effect upon BoB and BoB's gameplan, and ultimately the loss of your stations. What matters is who owns the space, the rest is just fluff imo
ChaosOne Caldari DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.19 23:21:00 - [56] didnt think to take a picture of the 30 or so bob cans at tro gate. dosnt mean they were not there. Bob lite, when the best isnt good enough.
TWD TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.19 23:23:00 - [57] One region down, one and a half to go.
thoth foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.11.19 23:24:00 - [58] Originally by: Ituralde 3. This one is also a question for BoB, are there ever BoB fleets that stay in one spot in a battleground system (one with a fleet present from each side) for 20 minutes or more at a time? Yes regularly, for a few different reasons.. mostly because when ASCN have a fleet it will sit in POS and try to hit and run.. and so needs baiting Sitting in POS's or SS is a concept i dont really understand tbh.. it rarely changes the outcome of a fight and just wastes alot of time.. >: )
Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.11.19 23:25:00 - [59] Originally by: Mar Drakar darko ffs.. if I were you i'd be sitting quiet in your nappers club. Right.... Thats just a ridiculus post. What does IRON being napped have to do with the current status of the BoB:ASCN war? Or are you just saying because we have good relations with most of the north that we arent allowed to comment on anything? Either way your an idiot. But then agian, your probly just a tad upset you got spanked out of the north. Run along. ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.19 23:40:00 - [60] Edited by: LUKEC on 19/11/2006 23:42:14 Last ASCN tower in station systems in Paragon Soul has just died. I'd like to add that no ASCN fleet entered Paragon soul this weekend. @ crellion: they are testing new regions on sisi accordingly to their previous posts. I wonder why. -------- The BoB model is bad for business. Incidently the BoB model is more suited for a game such as WoW where as the ASCN model more suited for Eve. McGreedy
ChaosOne Caldari DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.19 23:41:00 - [61] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: ChaosOne didnt think to take a picture of the 30 or so bob cans at tro gate. dosnt mean they were not there. Bob lite, when the best isnt good enough. Yes, as dbp's post mentions, we also lost ships. What's your point? Try reading NIRA LI's post and the penny may just drop... then again. Bob Lite - When your best isnt good enough
Red Six Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.19 23:42:00 - [62] Originally by: ChaosOne didnt think to take a picture of the 30 or so bob cans at tro gate. dosnt mean they were not there. Chaos that picture Nira posted is from the first big fight at the TR0 gate where we royally handed you your behind on a silver platter. The second fight at the TR0 gate is where you guys killed some of our support as our support was defending the cyno ship that Molle was trying to jump to blow you all up, jump queues suck. Rather than bail from that fight we stayed there supporting our cyno pilot, unsuccessfully and killed more of your battleships as they warped in and out. We've posted our losses, has your leadership done the same? Ask John McReedy where his loss is as it isn't posted. Originally by: Eridu Fallen Upon closer inspection, that Caldari BS doesn't even look like it got hit with the ugly stick, it looks like it is the ugly stick.
Farjung Gallente TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.19 23:44:00 - [63] Edited by: Farjung on 19/11/2006 23:52:45 Originally by: VonKaplanek III In the 30 or so ASCN BS losses, we will get majority back because thet happened in teh node crash. Timeline of events as I recall them (and pieced together from killboard): 23:32 Jump-in occurs 23:35 - 23:39 6 ASCN battleships killed 23:40 Node crash 23:47 - 00:02 8 ASCN battleships killed during log-in race 00:10 - 01:02 BoB fleet present themselves at a gate as a target, both side's support skirmish around system 01:02 - 01:20 First engagement at gate, 23 ASCN battleships killed 01:21 - 01:54 Clean-up and support skirmishes around system, 4 ASCN battleships killed 01:55 - 02:07 Second engagement at gate, 4 ASCN battleships killed 02:07 - 02:35 Minor skirmishes, no BS killed 02:35 BoB head back home to Paragon Soul So, by my reckoning 8 of the 46 battleship losses ASCN suffered should have been petitioned and deserve to be replaced, but if it's true that more than half of your pilots are petitioning then that's a shameless abuse of the petition system :\. Edit; makes the title of this thread very apt, come to think of it. --- Wave of Mutilation 2
pxmars Caldari Dragon's Rage Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.19 23:44:00 - [64] GF in Azn... I just wish we could just be nice and kill each other without the forum war.I having fun after all this is just a game.
Verite Rendition Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2006.11.19 23:44:00 - [65] Pardon the 3rd party observation here, but... Would it kill BoB, just for once, to make a post like the following? Originally by: SirMolle After a long and hard campaign, the Band of Brothers has taken the last station in Paragon Soul. GF ASCN, we look forward to more fighting in AZN Instead what we get is: Originally by: Galavet HC has cried wolf for the last eight weeks. Since the end of your operation ôBenny Hill Beachheadö waged in TPAR, the front line of the battle has been pushed through Paragon Soul, ever closer towards AZN. Yet HC continues to dish out the same tired lines to the masses, preaching of big plans and the death of BoB. Your men are starting to see past the pretty painting you hold in front of them, and see the real battlefield that is behind it. So far over 800 hobbits have seen the light and chosen to vacate rather than wait to be led like sheep to the slaughter. BoB is still the #1 alliance in the game in terms of PvP, and that hasn't changed in ages, but where have their manners gone? For the last month, we've been wading through ** up to our eyebrows(yes, it's that high) in reading this forum. Every now and then we get some useful post that actually was worth the electrons used to transmit it, but the rest of the posts on this matter have been trolling, flamebait, me too-isms, and a general treatment of ASCN(and to a lesser extent, the rest of EVE) as sub-human dimwits. Even when it's not all true, is there something so horrible about showing some respect to your enemy? At any rate, many kudos to BoB on taking Paragon Soul, but has it ever occurred to you guys that you're turning in to real *****s in the process? ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic
BlackSabbath Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.19 23:48:00 - [66] the same ol sh pill from bob. at your current rate you ll take over ASCN by 2013. less time forum whoring and more time actualy doing stuff ================================ "i am only here to **** you off"
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.11.19 23:49:00 - [67] Originally by: VonKaplanek III In the 30 or so ASCN BS losses, we will get majority back because thet happened in teh node crash. My emphasis. Your reliance on petitions to rearm your fleet is frighteningly pathetic. I'd be more impressed if you'd actually taken your losses for what they are (read: incompetence) as opposed to petitioning every single loss as a game bug. Just to reverse the analogy that a number of your alliance mates have made about BoB turning Eve into a sci-fi Counterstrike - petitioning all your losses is tantamount to crying about lag/shiite team/bad map. How exactly did you come to earn the space your currently inhabit? Your entire mentality makes it seem that like even a vaugely sharp looking oxygen molecule could rampage through your space causing death and descruction on an unprecedented scale.
Emblurr	Posted - 2006.11.19 23:50:00 - [68] I stopped reading when you quoted our private forum. Why so much spying? A bit weary are we? For people so confident about the win, you sure spew alot of verbal diahreah. I mean no disrespect, just stating my observation.
Trytonx Syncore Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.19 23:52:00 - [69] I stopped reading when you quoted our private forum. Why so much spying? A bit weary are we? For people so confident about the win, you sure spew alot of verbal diahreah. I mean no disrespect, just stating my observation.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.19 23:52:00 - [70] Originally by: VonKaplanek III In the 30 or so ASCN BS losses, we will get majority back because thet happened in teh node crash. Gob & Effel Gloom(sp?) died on gate fair and square. Most bs losses you suffered were later. -------- The BoB model is bad for business. Incidently the BoB model is more suited for a game such as WoW where as the ASCN model more suited for Eve. McGreedy
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.19 23:53:00 - [71] Originally by: Verite Rendition Pardon the 3rd party observation here, but... Would it kill BoB, just for once, to make a post like the following? We've fought entities that have earned our respect, that is the kind of message THOSE entities would have gotten. So far in this war, the AZN fight is the first battle that actually deserved a gf (and bob actually created a thread to do just that). Over the weekend Fix defended their outpost against -A-, and you can read the thread yourself to see that respect was earned on both sides. In this entire assault on ASCN space, they have NEVER fought like fix did over the weekend.
Amon 'Chakai FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.19 23:54:00 - [72] Edited by: Amon ''Chakai on 19/11/2006 23:54:23 edited: Blah wanted to reply something but tbh it simply isn't worth of the while even if I'm bored to death. ??====??====??====??====??====??====??====??====??==?? If eve even makes close up to 60-70k+ dollars per day as budget.. they could throw about 140k-300k easily to hardware upgrade once per year.
laotse Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.20 00:04:00 - [73] forum **** as long you believe it your self m8 go ahead 80.126.192.128:8888/tfd/uploads/1121735338/gallery_11_8_1124480365.jpg Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
travelingsales Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.20 00:04:00 - [74] The difference in tone and style between the BoB "In Character/Psyops/Propaganda" posts like this one, and the "Out of Character" posts (such as the "GF in AZN" thread) is pretty entertaining. Also, regarding why ASCN views the AZN battle yesterday as a victory (admittedly speaking only for myself here): We held the field at the end of the battle, you guys disengaged. I am sure you did this of your own free will and not because you had lost "x" number of ships. I honestly don't mean that sarcastically, it looked like you had plenty of ships left to keep the fight going if you had wanted to do so. But whether or not you believe me on that front, if we use your own definition of victory (ask ourselves who holds space at the end of the battle?), yesterday was a victory for ASCN regardless of the ratios or whatever other numbers you want to throw at us. (Also, to reiterate something from the other thread, AZN was in some ways a victory for both sides in that it was **** fun, and the nodes mostly held except for the one crash near the start) See you in game soon BoB guys!
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.20 00:07:00 - [75] these threads are fun to read. High-Sec/0.0 PvP Recruitment
Adam C 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.20 00:08:00 - [76] if i was Cyvok then I would give the Titan to the nearest most capable foe to bring it i.e TOXIN. So Gimme!
pxmars Caldari Dragon's Rage Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.20 00:09:00 - [77] Originally by: Crellion I am confused. If ASCN has 4000+ members cant they get 2 fleets of 500 each say and go forth and pown? Afaik they are not predominently noobs like Goons for exampel so they should have at least 200-400 fully tech II BSs at all times standing by... I am just wondering and please I wouldnt like any BoB replies to this but I d love an explannation from an ASCN member who knows whats what. Ty we could do this but most ascn have more then 2 accounts or more. so i would guess a good count of ascn members ship 1500-2000 warm bodies. Rest is alts fighting in one battle and keep track on what going on is hard enuff with one account no way i keep track of two accounts fighting at the same time.
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.11.20 00:11:00 - [78] Originally by: Sivona This is a very silly argument, killing the allies of an entity is not killing that entity and tbh i think it has very little overall effect upon BoB and BoB's gameplan, and ultimately the loss of your stations. What matters is who owns the space, the rest is just fluff imo Awww FFS Sivona, If they are fighting with BOB against ASCN and with BOB when they go down, they count and you know it.
Monarch Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.20 00:11:00 - [79] Originally by: Righteous Fury Originally by: VonKaplanek III In the 30 or so ASCN BS losses, we will get majority back because thet happened in teh node crash. My emphasis. Your reliance on petitions to rearm your fleet is frighteningly pathetic. I'd be more impressed if you'd actually taken your losses for what they are (read: incompetence) as opposed to petitioning every single loss as a game bug. Just to reverse the analogy that a number of your alliance mates have made about BoB turning Eve into a sci-fi Counterstrike - petitioning all your losses is tantamount to crying about lag/shiite team/bad map. How exactly did you come to earn the space your currently inhabit? BoB lite let them keep it when they surrendered to us and stabbed Xetic between the shoulderblades.
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.11.20 00:15:00 - [80] Edited by: Righteous Fury on 20/11/2006 00:15:20 Originally by: Monarch How exactly did you come to earn the space your currently inhabit? BoB lite let them keep it when they surrendered to us and stabbed Xetic between the shoulderblades. Ding ding ding. I was hoping someone from ASCN would come up with a smarmy answer before the real answer was posted, but oh well.
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.11.20 00:17:00 - [81] Edited by: Audrea on 20/11/2006 00:17:39 Originally by: Mar Drakar darko ffs.. if I were you i'd be sitting quiet in your nappers club. Current status in the north is irrelevant here, he is right about ASCN, and he does have every right to comment, as he fought BoB in the past, unlike your corp eDIT: Or even yourself. ------------------ Its great not being an Amarr, aint it? Save Tranquility!
thoth foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.11.20 00:18:00 - [82] Originally by: travelingsales Also, regarding why ASCN views the AZN battle yesterday as a victory (admittedly speaking only for myself here): We held the field at the end of the battle, you guys disengaged. I am sure you did this of your own free will and not because you had lost "x" number of ships. I honestly don't mean that sarcastically, it looked like you had plenty of ships left to keep the fight going if you had wanted to do so. But whether or not you believe me on that front, if we use your own definition of victory (ask ourselves who holds space at the end of the battle?), yesterday was a victory for ASCN regardless of the ratios or whatever other numbers you want to throw at us. Tbh this is a fair enough view, i wasnt at the fight so i cant comment either way.. but i'm interested to know does that means your accepting this evenings charade as a defeat? It is hard to understand why you ever form a 140 man gang knowing your not going to engage if you can avoid it in any way.. >: )
PSA1SWIPE Caldari adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.20 00:28:00 - [83] Galavet You + Me +dbp with a Handycamera= alot of iskies comon waht you say lets make some magic And to ascnd my offer still stands pay me and ill be a front runing fc help you get your **** toghether eve mail me for offers :) I like bunny wabbits
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.20 00:29:00 - [84] What a wasted oppurtunity, massive fleet next door and still no fight, poor show there tbh. How exactly did you come to earn the space your currently inhabit? BoB lite let them keep it when they surrendered to us and stabbed Xetic between the shoulderblades.
Arenis Xemdal Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.20 00:33:00 - [85] Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am Originally by: Pilk TS held Paragon and didn't have the forces or the werewithal to keep it. ASCN and AXE liberated it. Tragically, the pullout that followed was too complete, and the situation repeated itself. Interesting choice of words for a situation that occured to both TS and ASCN. The existence of a double standard of judgement is plainly obvious to the blindest of men. I guess that it's safe to say BoB is now liberating ASCN space too? Or that ASCN did unto TS exactly what BoB is currently doing to them? You could pick one of the above two and (point of emphasis) apply it to both entities, but not apply each one selectively to a group alone. Just my 0.02 isk I find it both ironic and disturbing that I find more sensibility and reason from ex-NBSI and IRON on matters of sovereignty. Since public opinion would suggest you've both taken the easy road out. Which is not intended as a put down, so I'll make the effort in addressing your point and ASCN as a whole. Requiring moral convenience before embarking on a mission to dismantle and destroy the ambitions of others is a mark of weakness. Someone who can't wield power without hesitation is someone who doesn't deserve to have it. We are not liberators here to make Paragon Soul a better place, just as ASCN were not helping it by conquering Tribal Souls. As with any change of ownership, there will be those that gain from it and those that lose from it. A rather simple concept to understand.. there is no good or evil, simply power. If people in our alliance choose to find some greater purpose in this mayhem, then so be it, but I would hope no one makes the mistake of applying it to the whole of BoB. Ours is as simple as any; to exist. As such, getting a fight, even a forced one is better than getting none. Likewise, if people in ASCN need to believe in our evil and their righteousness to continue fighting.. it is their own victimization to create. Eventually you have to stop pretending that you're cleaner, and all those labels you've given the enemy come back to hit you square in the face. So without further discussion.. We took Paragon Soul because we can. We're going to take Feythabolis because we can. Got a problem? Show it.
Revelatia Clandestia	Posted - 2006.11.20 00:34:00 - [86] Well, with all the crap floating about re: haxsploits etc... do you really think an ASCN gang, or rather the FC, is going to willingly jump into a bob controlled system/gate... Some of that Dev/GM/God rubbish has actually been believed by some, fervently.
Amthrianius Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.20 00:34:00 - [87] Edited by: Amthrianius on 20/11/2006 00:35:33 I would just also like to thank ASCN for letting us now overtake them on number of stations owned BoB: 20 ASCN 18 oh and also helping in part to bob lite's station tripling since the war began. Cheers Originally by: Admiral Goberius Basically we need to understand why they manage to cream our dreads like they were shuttles and theirs manage to tank a total of 150 ascn ships + 112 fighters
Sun Ra Godspeed You Black Emperor	Posted - 2006.11.20 00:35:00 - [88] LOL really ACSN FC you really should be enforcing ship setups, i spotted loads of long range ships with tanks on(a tempest fitting 1200 so he can tank) and s arma with small lasers on and 2x 1600,and no if your trying to kill support it doesnt work in fleet, just kaes you FC think he has more bs than he actually has a) force setups and check them b) make all corps issue corp insured bs to those who pvp, make them pay for it and the insurance then everytime they lose a bs the corp can replace c) tell each corp % of their pilots must partake in all fleet ops per week, if they dont kick them out Arcane Frankologies - 'plz stop guys it's xmas'
travelingsales Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.20 00:40:00 - [89] Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: travelingsales Also, regarding why ASCN views the AZN battle yesterday as a victory (admittedly speaking only for myself here): We held the field at the end of the battle, you guys disengaged. I am sure you did this of your own free will and not because you had lost "x" number of ships. I honestly don't mean that sarcastically, it looked like you had plenty of ships left to keep the fight going if you had wanted to do so. But whether or not you believe me on that front, if we use your own definition of victory (ask ourselves who holds space at the end of the battle?), yesterday was a victory for ASCN regardless of the ratios or whatever other numbers you want to throw at us. Tbh this is a fair enough view, i wasnt at the fight so i cant comment either way.. but i'm interested to know does that means your accepting this evenings charade as a defeat? It is hard to understand why you ever form a 140 man gang knowing your not going to engage if you can avoid it in any way.. I am in the same position as you with regards to today's fighting, I wasn't in game today so I can't comment on it. In general I actually like this particular definition of victory, ie, "who holds space at the end of the day". So, if your fleet held the field at the end of the day then I would agree that it was a win for you guys. In any case the space-holding definition of victory is much better than all the kill ratio business, especially when both sides have the industrial might to make the losses incurred in any single battle more or less meaningless. So as far as that goes, yes, we've lost Paragon Soul and I don't think you'll see anyone disputing that (although this "BoB took Paragon in 4 weeks" stuff is wrong, the Molle "offer to corps based in GQ2" post was made on 9.30.06 which was 7 weeks ago). Even our HC posts you guys love to quote usually seem to me to talk about how we are "going to" win the war, as opposed to how we are "winning" it, although that distinction seems to be lost on the vast majority of people commenting about them (not singling out BoB here, tbh it is the alts that really seem to go nuts over those). So yeah, I wouldn't necessarily say we are "winning" the war, but some of the stuff the OP points to as indicative of how badly we are supposed to be losing (for example, our alliance getting smaller by 800) I would argue is actually indicative of a pruning and strengthening of ASCN. In other threads, we are frequently criticized for being bloated and Xetic-like, but then when some of this supposed dead weight is removed, we are said to be falling apart. I guess not all of our critics can be right, although goodness knows we have enough of them and they try enough different criticisms to get lucky sometimes I have to say it's nice to be back in game and always a challenge fighting BoB, see you all soon o/
Sun Ra Godspeed You Black Emperor	Posted - 2006.11.20 00:47:00 - [90] Originally by: Crellion I am confused. If ASCN has 4000+ members cant they get 2 fleets of 500 each say and go forth and pown? Afaik they are not predominently noobs like Goons for exampel so they should have at least 200-400 fully tech II BSs at all times standing by... I am just wondering and please I wouldnt like any BoB replies to this but I d love an explannation from an ASCN member who knows whats what. Ty Its the way ASCN is setup, its all about personally greed which is stupid cos they'd only have to give up a few days a week npc'ing/mining/mission/faffing about to get together and mine to keep their fighters in well fitted ships Arcane Frankologies - 'plz stop guys it's xmas'
Mace Ardguy Dark Wheel	Posted - 2006.11.20 00:51:00 - [91] Heh. Wrong. Try again.
Harmony StormBreaker	Posted - 2006.11.20 00:52:00 - [92] Edited by: Harmony StormBreaker on 20/11/2006 00:52:13 =NM=
dodo dedere Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.20 00:53:00 - [93] Edited by: dodo dedere on 20/11/2006 00:57:04 Edited by: dodo dedere on 20/11/2006 00:54:02 Bob, If you manage to take ASCN space and destroy ASCN, which for the record I believe you never will... If you do, you can attribute your success to being the: most negative most arrogant, most annoying most... What i am trying to say is if you manage the complete destruction of ASCN it will be because you have made some ones gaming experience as miserable as you can. Not primarily through superior PVP, skill points, leadership, superior wit, charm... but because you came across as sufficiant a insert rude word to make the opposition want nothign to do with you, and you're stupid war. If you win, you win because you you have made the opposition think "meh I don't want my game, my free time, my fun ruined by these guys called BOB. BOB, who if they acted like this to me in real life i would either smack them in the face or go to great lengths just to avoid" Ah but its just a game you cry? Don't take it so seriously! lighten up! enjoy it! I would suggest you do the same. At the risk of going of topic... well bear with me: "The intial insult was directed at 'BoB', the continued smack and spam on the forums was directed at the Eve Community. I don't like someone making fun of me, my game, my enjoyment. Eve is more than just an internet space game, its about friends and enemies. Its about social interaction. Just because your hiding behind a computer doesn't mean you have the right to say whatever you want and use the excuse "Its only a game" and not expect anything in return." Replace 'BOB' with ASCN. Sure you are probably thinking oh well im roleplaying an evil guy and i do expect something in return its just that no one in the eve community is good enough at bringing it. Some one will eventually and you're fall will be hard. I know, in person, in real life, plenty of people in BOB who are in BOB for the fights, the cheap tech 2 gear and the community and they are nice guys. I also know they don't take any part in any of these pointless flame wars. What i dont know is how they stand being in an alliance full of people who get most of their enjoyment (in my friends in BOB opinion) by making people miserable via the eve - o forums. How about you just play the game, enjoy the fights and stop this stupid forum war. Dodo
Amthrianius Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.20 00:54:00 - [94] Originally by: Harmony StormBreaker Originally by: Amthrianius Edited by: Amthrianius on 20/11/2006 00:35:33 I would just also like to thank ASCN for letting us now overtake them on number of stations owned BoB: 20 ASCN 18 oh and also helping in part to bob lite's station tripling since the war began. Cheers Ah - so you DO own FIX and Xelas's outposts? nope F10 is your friend Originally by: Admiral Goberius Basically we need to understand why they manage to cream our dreads like they were shuttles and theirs manage to tank a total of 150 ascn ships + 112 fighters
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.11.20 00:57:00 - [95] man BoB's endless propoganda is rather dry and annoying, but jesus the responses from ASCN are just so retarded. You start to feel bad for ascn cause of the constant forum whoring by BoB and then they post and just zaps that feeling away lol. While i'll never root for BoB i will root for Hast, so go Hast! Manlove by Zaphod Jones
Jotan Veer Wings of Turul Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.20 00:59:00 - [96] Is there a Little Red Riding Hood in this story somewhere?
Mariko San Saints Surrounded	Posted - 2006.11.20 01:16:00 - [97] I can see why bob felt the need to post this thread. From the many ASCN I know they all had a real blast in AZN the other night and it was the most fun many of them have had in this war for weeks, so clearly BoB have to come on here to say that even if ASCN got quite a few kills they still all suck and they lost and are rubbish and are being lied to etc. etc. /me wishes there was a nice yawn smiley. /me also wishes the mods would limit the number of threads bob can start about this "war" - I mean whats wrong with a single "ascn sucks" thread and you guys can just put all your posts for you and your fan bois to enjoy in there?
Arenis Xemdal Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.20 01:27:00 - [98] Originally by: dodo dedere Crying a river... Keep on crying, your tears will serve as coolant for my Giga Beams. There are many ways to downplay our achievements, and make our superior skills seem irrelevant. Trying to shame us into regret because we're ruining your fragile definition of fun is not one of them. If you can't find the current situation preferrable regardless of what is said on the forums, you have no business being an Empire. If you can't take responsibility for your own amusement, you have no business being in EVE. "For the record".. when we win, it will be from a lack of opposition, because you've made some wild and convenient excuses to stop fighting. Such a pathetic display like yours forces me to revulse my disgust that you were ever considered on par with us. And until I see the coal in my stocking for being naughty towards ASCN, I'm just going to continue watching you squirm with yuletide cheer. Ho ho ho.
dodo dedere Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.20 01:43:00 - [99] You see, thats exactly it. I was in a MERC corp once it was quite good fun. We had a few contracts and they were all... heh well some were fun. I remember one contract where we made a corporation basically cease, they stopped logging in, they left the corporation, they were kicked whatever. Unfortunately the contract ended after 2 weeks. I still chat to the CEO of that CORP every so often, in fact he sent me a mail asking me what i was up to because we hadn't chatted for a while. I've never belittled him, never insulted him or made his life in eve not fun through anything other than shooting him. The point i'm trying to make is... you know... you can have fun in eve... you can enlarge your ego.. you can feel a sense of achievement, without gasps having to attempt belittle some one
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.20 01:46:00 - [100] Thanks, It's been so long since there was a BoB thread in this forum, I was starting to get sad. You guys are really losing your forum mojo. I find myself sitting here shaking my head with this wierd look on my face when you say this: Originally by: Galavet It would seem to me that your commanders still couldnÆt find the fortitude to make the tough call. Instead you run back to the shire and wait for BoB to jump into you, which of course we did. A truly pathetic display, formulated by some truly pathetic leaders. Ever seen a bullfighter use a cape to distract the bull? Except we had a big steel anvil sitting behind the cape, and you guys went into it head first. And please, no whining about jumping in on someone. We've jumped in on you guys on one of your "We're uber, we killed 9 zillion and lost negative 42" days, got stuck in a jump queue, and still tried to fight it out with you. Stop with all the melodramatics and just post facts. Moving on. Let me get this straight, because I just wanted to be sure I wasn't like, not getting it. For about a solid week you guys ranted and raved on the forums every which direction about how lame it was that CYVOK hadn't brought the titan all up in your business. So now he does, and you guys want to complain about it? I know some of you guys might not realize it, but you spend so much ** time on the forums trying to come up with any possible thing you can put up here to make ASCN look bad, that you end up contradicting yourselves. As for Paragon Soul: I've been off for a few days, and haven't seen anything official re: Paragon from John or CYVOK in my inbox. As I look on the map, I see you guys hold 4 of the 6 stations and station systems, and I don't see any humongous ASCN gangs down there. I might regret this later, like when John or CYVOK read this, but like I said, if I'm anything I'm honest. As of now, due to lack of forces in the region, and you holding the majority of stations, I'd have to say you've sacked Paragon Soul. Congratulations. A lot of people tried very hard to stop you from doing that, and I'd just like to thank everyone from Ascendant Frontier that gave their time and effort on a valiant defense. Granted, I know there is some folks down there still fighting the good fight, but it's now behind enemy lines. Hidden in this signature is a secret message.** I like pie.
BlackDog Rackh'am Minmatar Maza Nostra Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.20 01:48:00 - [101] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am Originally by: Pilk TS held Paragon and didn't have the forces or the werewithal to keep it. ASCN and AXE liberated it. Tragically, the pullout that followed was too complete, and the situation repeated itself. Interesting choice of words for a situation that occured to both TS and ASCN. The existence of a double standard of judgement is plainly obvious to the blindest of men. I guess that it's safe to say BoB is now liberating ASCN space too? Or that ASCN did unto TS exactly what BoB is currently doing to them? You could pick one of the above two and (point of emphasis) apply it to both entities, but not apply each one selectively to a group alone. Just my 0.02 isk I find it both ironic and disturbing that I find more sensibility and reason from ex-NBSI and IRON on matters of sovereignty. Since public opinion would suggest you've both taken the easy road out. Which is not intended as a put down, so I'll make the effort in addressing your point and ASCN as a whole. Requiring moral convenience before embarking on a mission to dismantle and destroy the ambitions of others is a mark of weakness. Someone who can't wield power without hesitation is someone who doesn't deserve to have it. We are not liberators here to make Paragon Soul a better place, just as ASCN were not helping it by conquering Tribal Souls. As with any change of ownership, there will be those that gain from it and those that lose from it. A rather simple concept to understand.. there is no good or evil, simply power. If people in our alliance choose to find some greater purpose in this mayhem, then so be it, but I would hope no one makes the mistake of applying it to the whole of BoB. Ours is as simple as any; to exist. As such, getting a fight, even a forced one is better than getting none. Likewise, if people in ASCN need to believe in our evil and their righteousness to continue fighting.. it is their own victimization to create. Eventually you have to stop pretending that you're cleaner, and all those labels you've given the enemy come back to hit you square in the face. So without further discussion.. We took Paragon Soul because we can. We're going to take Feythabolis because we can. Got a problem? Show it. Well, thanks for the reply first of all. While your point is one that not all may agree with, you took the time to present it in a well written way. I really believe that most of the flaming comes from people's boredom to construct a post bigger than a proper paragraph You can say the equivalent of "you suck,roflol!!!11!!11" in a polite manner and guess what, the receiving side will not get their panties in a twist and retort with more childish drivel...the only downside to this tactic is that to say "you suck" takes 2 words, the alternative takes up 3-4 paragraphs Finally, a small comment about the public perception of us taking the easy way out. We were a bunch of 20-30 people at the time xetic fell,a lot of us utter noobs in 0.0 affairs, we had spent all of our money defending it with minimal support and we had no intention to leave the alliance till the end, as long as the big guns who promoted the war would stick around and die with us. However, it's an entirely different story when the captain willingly risks the ship into uncharted waters, is the first to bail when it hits the bottom and then criticises us for not going down with the ship. Public perception of us doing so was mainly because the handful of us who did post here couldn't compete with ASCN and ATUK on the forums due to the volume of their posts
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.20 02:03:00 - [102] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal I find it both ironic and disturbing that I find more sensibility and reason from ex-NBSI and IRON on matters of sovereignty. Since public opinion would suggest you've both taken the easy road out. I am not 100& sure what you are referring to but what ever it is, it does sound like a put down fyi. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.11.20 02:12:00 - [103] This could be fun Originally by: dodo dedere If you win, you win because you you have made the opposition think "meh I don't want my game, my free time, my fun ruined by these guys called BOB. BOB, who if they acted like this to me in real life i would either smack them in the face or go to great lengths just to avoid" Ah but its just a game you cry? Don't take it so seriously! lighten up! enjoy it! I would suggest you do the same. At the risk of going of topic... well bear with me: "The intial insult was directed at 'BoB', the continued smack and spam on the forums was directed at the Eve Community. I don't like someone making fun of me, my game, my enjoyment. Eve is more than just an internet space game, its about friends and enemies. Its about social interaction. Just because your hiding behind a computer doesn't mean you have the right to say whatever you want and use the excuse "Its only a game" and not expect anything in return." Replace 'BOB' with ASCN. Sure you are probably thinking oh well im roleplaying an evil guy and i do expect something in return its just that no one in the eve community is good enough at bringing it. Did you stop to think that perhaps people in the eve community just don't care about you? They don't care about you taking over x station, region, blowing up x bs's ? Did you stop to think that ASCN are going to make this war as boring as they humanly can for you? Perhaps, just like you ASCN don't care if their opponents have fun. How about you just play the game, enjoy the fights and stop this stupid forum war. I made bold the parts which say it all really - you want to play Sims/SimCity in space, with friends who only compete against you by who places more outposts, no agression, nothing! Too bad you removed the bit about that CEO you keep talking to You must have realized quickly he probably didnt try to demonize you on their corp forums etc, lie to his members about you.. Your character (OOG) seems very weak, judging from your posts, hence I am sure you would have taken offence at such actions a lot easier than most EVE players, who know to seperate between OOG and IG attacks etc. CCP has given us the forums to use, dont like it - leave the game or dont use them. simple enough. Dont blame others for utilizing the tools provided by CCP in the intended manner. If you would like to address ASCN's failure to BoB ruining your 'fun' - its only because you werent able to PROTECT your fun! The failure is yours (ASCN), and yours alone. Whatever anyway, keep whining, it makes a good read. If you only were so passionate ingame and did something, something which would make BoB busy and not have time to post here, then you might have slight chance to protect your 'fun' from destruction ------------------ Its great not being an Amarr, aint it? Save Tranquility!
Sirius A Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.20 02:21:00 - [104] Edited by: Sirius A on 20/11/2006 02:25:14 all i can say is believe it or not but: business as usual
DeadDuck Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.20 02:21:00 - [105] Originally by: pxmars I just wish we could just be nice and kill each other without the forum war.. Is obvious that BOB is using eve forums as another front in the war against you, to demoralize ASCN members, to make them quit ... they present inside information to show all the ASCN members that they know everything of whats happening inside your alliance. They know ASCN so well that they know that only way that BOB can win the war is if ASCN suffers a internal collapse .
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.20 02:33:00 - [106] Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am Originally by: Pilk TS held Paragon and didn't have the forces or the werewithal to keep it. ASCN and AXE liberated it. Tragically, the pullout that followed was too complete, and the situation repeated itself. Interesting choice of words for a situation that occured to both TS and ASCN. The existence of a double standard of judgement is plainly obvious to the blindest of men. I guess that it's safe to say BoB is now liberating ASCN space too? Or that ASCN did unto TS exactly what BoB is currently doing to them? You could pick one of the above two and (point of emphasis) apply it to both entities, but not apply each one selectively to a group alone. Just my 0.02 isk I will happily admit my double standards--and, as you said, make them plainly obvious--when they apply, as now. Originally by: Rod Blaine Originally by: Pilk Originally by: Rod Blaine Provided of course that ASCN's FC can find the testicular fortitude to take his twice as large gang and jump it into us within now and say an hour or two. You're the aggressor, remember? The onus is not on ASCN to do something; if the status quo doesn't change, you lose. <3, --P What ? So, we take a complete region from ASCN in 4 weeks without losing a single battle of note, killing an unprecedented numbe of ships in our history, achieving an unprecedented kill ratio and killing over a dozen capitals for losing next to none... It took the "most powerful PvP force in Eve" over a month to take over ASCN's backwater mining and ratting grounds. TBH, the only thing in PS that will likely be missed by the average ASCN member is the indirect benefit of the isk from the 10/10 plex (and that's a little iffy). I fail to see why I shouldn't be: flabbergasted that it took the initiators of a war ** near a month and a half to take over a barely-defended region, which most ASCN couldn't give half a flying ** about, that literally abuts a BoB station system amused by your continued posturing in the face of an enemy that you've been kind enough to slow-boat the invasion of for a month and a half, long enough for the idiots and cowards who comprise most of your spies to run for the hills and for the over 4,000 who remain to stock up with mining alts in Feyth while sitting at gatecamps in PS and learning combat from you disgusted by the fact that you use such vague terms as "of note", "unprecedented... in our history", and "next to none" any time you try to describe your accomplishments and lastly, unimpressed with your ability to take over meaningless regions and your inability to do anything somewhere that matters If you take AZN, I'll wake up. Until then, I've got some Russians to clear out of my garden. Funny how they show up immediately after one of those "not of note" battles you speak of, in which an AXE FC and a combined ASCN/AXE gang handed you your asses on a silver platter. I suppose even BoB occasionally needs to hire a little extra muscle. Love, Pilk
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.11.20 02:44:00 - [107] Next topic will start Tholarim i guess. Everybody know how uber you are, and how bad ASCN is. Noone is intrested in reading that 12312395435 times.
LeviUK Caldari hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.11.20 02:52:00 - [108] Originally by: Evil Thug Next topic will start Tholarim i guess. Everybody know how uber you are, and how bad ASCN is. Noone is intrested in reading that 12312395435 times. QFT though I do like to open these threads, ignore the starting post and warm myself by the flames that follow. -
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.20 02:59:00 - [109] Originally by: Evil Thug Next topic will start Tholarim i guess. Everybody know how uber you are, and how bad ASCN is. Noone is intrested in reading that 12312395435 times. Naa, Thol does his talking in game. Now, if Stan was still our CEO... The truth will set you free
travelingsales Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.20 03:00:00 - [110] Originally by: LeviUK Originally by: Evil Thug Next topic will start Tholarim i guess. Everybody know how uber you are, and how bad ASCN is. Noone is intrested in reading that 12312395435 times. QFT though I do like to open these threads, ignore the starting post and warm myself by the flames that follow. ASCN and BoB don't want our friends in the Eve forum community getting cold with winter coming on around the northern hemisphere
Wrok Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.20 03:05:00 - [111] Originally by: Tholarim We'll take it. You beat me to it.
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.11.20 03:07:00 - [112] Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Evil Thug Next topic will start Tholarim i guess. Everybody know how uber you are, and how bad ASCN is. Noone is intrested in reading that 12312395435 times. Naa, Thol does his talking in game. Now, if Stan was still our CEO... Mad props to Tholnewbim then. Take an example
Taedrin Gallente Mercatoris Technologies	Posted - 2006.11.20 03:35:00 - [113] TBH, I seriously hope that ASCN can make their weaknesses their strengths and turn this war around.
Arenis Xemdal Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.20 03:46:00 - [114] Originally by: Pilk We really don't care! :( You have some interesting ideas of tactics. And by interesting I mean stupid. Even the strategically inept leadership of ASCN recognized the importance of keeping Paragon Soul. - It puts us within striking distance of everything else. - It puts our roaming gangs down your throat on a daily basis. - It lets us stock up on resupplies for prolonged war. But you knew that already, right? You knew that we weren't there to mine, and that it was only a stepping stone for even more horrible and unpleasant things, right? Of course you did. You just thought it would be nice to pretend it doesn't hurt when you sit down. But that level of delusion comes with heavy price. I'm sure your comrades enjoyed dying by the thousands for a region you were preparing to give up on from Day One. Just as Tribal Souls enjoyed being kicked out of a region you never really wanted anyways, but thought you could do a better job of protecting. As I'm sure you will enjoy my clammy hand up your lint covered innards, when I use you in my muppet themed re-enactment of this war next year.
Taedrin Gallente Mercatoris Technologies	Posted - 2006.11.20 03:51:00 - [115] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal You have some interesting ideas of tactics. And by interesting I mean stupid. Even the strategically inept leadership of ASCN recognized the importance of keeping Paragon Soul. - It puts us within striking distance of everything else. - It puts our roaming gangs down your throat on a daily basis. - It lets us stock up on resupplies for prolonged war. But you knew that already, right? You knew that we weren't there to mine, and that it was only a stepping stone for even more horrible and unpleasant things, right? Of course you did. You just thought it would be nice to pretend it doesn't hurt when you sit down. But that level of delusion comes with heavy price. I'm sure your comrades enjoyed dying by the thousands for a region you were preparing to give up on from Day One. Just as Tribal Souls enjoyed being kicked out of a region you never really wanted anyways, but thought you could do a better job of protecting. As I'm sure you will enjoy my clammy hand up your lint covered innards, when I use you in my muppet themed re-enactment of this war next year. And that's why I want ASCN to turn this around and win the war.
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.20 03:55:00 - [116] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal snip As I'm sure you will enjoy my clammy hand up your lint covered innards, when I use you in my muppet themed re-enactment of this war next year. You lose this forum battle. --P
Arenis Xemdal Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.20 03:56:00 - [117] Oh no.
The Speaker The Clue Factory	Posted - 2006.11.20 04:32:00 - [118] Originally by: Taedrin TBH, I seriously hope that ASCN can make their weaknesses their strengths and turn this war around. /tinfoil on As much as this would make for some interesting events to follow if it were to happen, it's pretty clear what the longterm big-picture gameplan is likely to be for ASCN HC based on how they've (mis)managed this war and the (lack of) diplomacy so far. Here's a really big hint: They don't want to win this war, and it's definitely not in their best interest to. The timing is impeccable, and a number of moves that have seemed strange when considered separately actually form a more cohesive picture when examined together. Winning would, in fact, be an extremely bad outcome for ASCN HC. /tinfoil off (I'm only slightly joking about the tinfoil hat though.)
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.20 04:40:00 - [119] Originally by: AvanCade Paragon is now bob controlled. All hobbits are camping azn... now, who didn't see that one coming. Quote: "Don't touch the RED butt
Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.20 04:41:00 - [120] If ASCN feels that the pressures of war are too much that they cannot find enjoyment in the chaos, then there is the simple and easy solution of surrendering. Admitting defeat after a well fought battle carries no shame. ASCN likes to say that they never defended Paragon Soul seriously. That's a very irresponsible statement to make. Many of your pilots have spent hours of their time fighting and dying for a region that now appears to be suddenly expendable? This is just the same irresponsible callousness that is shown when claiming that a Titan that people struggled to build is nothing more than an expensive paperweight. When ASCN loses this war, not a small part of the reason will be that it showed no camaraderie towards its own members. Corps leave because they have become completely unable to fight due to the lack of support, they are called "idiots and cowards who comprise most of your spies", worthless and fat that had to be trimmed. Stations, outposts and a region is lost, it is called unimportant. A Titan fails to make its presence seen in the front lines that are so woefully short of leadership presence, the reason given is that it is useless. There is no contrast between this thread and the "GF in AZN" thread. BoB had always been appreciative to those ASCN that continue on showing up to fight. This thread focuses on statements and positions within ASCN that have continued on displaying a lack of sense of what the front of this war looks like. There seem to be opinions stated with authority, but bereft of the first hand information that ought to accompany them. If ASCN does intend to cut off the "fat", then it should start cutting off those within it that persist on setting vague and unrealistic goals, keeping secrets to its membership, and asking their membership for what they themselves are not willing to give. ASCN has a lot of good members in it with the capability of viewing this war in a clear manner. Too bad they are not allowed enough vocal freedom within ASCN that they resort to venting their frustrations at us in secret. I realize that many in ASCN don't like it when we point out the ***s in the armor, saying that we're using propaganda to divide ASCN. How can we divide a force that is already divided? The division is shown by the continued debate on whether or not having a good number of your gangs inside Delve achieving nothing is better than forming a united front, also shown by the lack of any alliance-wide logistical war effort and profiteering within the current inadequate logistics system. Some in ASCN find it hard to believe that there is no insidious reason why BoB is pointing out these flaws. Well then don't take our word for it. Continue on fighting as a divided alliance, keep running gangs in Delve that attempt to disrupt a nonexistent BoB back-line operation, keep procrastinating on instituting a more war-effective logistics system. Shere**bellion
BoinKlasik Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.20 04:42:00 - [121] Originally by: Evil Thug Next topic will start Tholarim i guess. Everybody know how uber you are, and how bad ASCN is. Noone is intrested in reading that 12312395435 times. that the last person who hasn't written one yet? I'll have to take evil evil AAA's word for it because nobody else wants to tell me :P doh, I broke my edited sig :/ cries this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr! ~kieron Didn't I tell you? The damsel moved in with me, we're having a great time. - Wrangler The damsel may not be distressed any more, but how many times does the informant have to be silenced before he gets the message? - Cortes
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2006.11.20 05:44:00 - [122] Originally by: dodo dedere Edited by: dodo dedere on 20/11/2006 01:28:44 Edited by: dodo dedere on 20/11/2006 00:57:04 Edited by: dodo dedere on 20/11/2006 00:54:02 Bob, If you manage to take ASCN space and destroy ASCN, which for the record I believe you never will... If you do, you can attribute your success to being the: most negative most arrogant, most annoying most... What i am trying to say is if you manage the complete destruction of ASCN it will be because you have made some ones gaming experience as miserable as you can. Not primarily through superior PVP, skill points, leadership, superior wit, charm... but because you came across as sufficiant a insert rude word to make the opposition want nothign to do with you, and you're stupid war. If you win, you win because you you have made the opposition think "meh I don't want my game, my free time, my fun ruined by these guys called BOB. BOB, who if they acted like this to me in real life i would either smack them in the face or go to great lengths just to avoid" Ah but its just a game you cry? Don't take it so seriously! lighten up! enjoy it! I would suggest you do the same. At the risk of going of topic... well bear with me: "The intial insult was directed at 'BoB', the continued smack and spam on the forums was directed at the Eve Community. I don't like someone making fun of me, my game, my enjoyment. Eve is more than just an internet space game, its about friends and enemies. Its about social interaction. Just because your hiding behind a computer doesn't mean you have the right to say whatever you want and use the excuse "Its only a game" and not expect anything in return." Replace 'BOB' with ASCN. Sure you are probably thinking oh well im roleplaying an evil guy and i do expect something in return its just that no one in the eve community is good enough at bringing it. Did you stop to think that perhaps people in the eve community just don't care about you? They don't care about you taking over x station, region, blowing up x bs's ? Did you stop to think that ASCN are going to make this war as boring as they humanly can for you? Perhaps, just like you ASCN don't care if their opponents have fun. I know, in person, in real life, plenty of people in BOB who are in BOB for the fights, the cheap tech 2 gear and the community and they are nice guys. I also know they don't take any part in any of these pointless flame wars. What i don't know is how they stand being in an alliance full of people who get most of their enjoyment (in my friends in BOB opinion) by making people miserable via the eve - o forums. How about you just play the game, enjoy the fights and stop this stupid forum war. Dodo Dude. This is why I rarely read beyond page two of these posts. Someone posts something like this. These forums are free speech, if BOB AND ASCN want to smack and spreed a bunch of propaganda around, let them. If this spam/smack is ruining your gaming experiance maybe you should not click on this articale. These posts are what makes the game fun for me. Also about insulting the eve-o community part, chill out man, if you let a post on a forum about a video game get to you this much or anyone here, take a few days off. Go find something fun to do, find a woman, go see a movie, get your mind off of it. Losing a war and smacking each other shouldn't ruin your game, I enjoy good smack and shooting, its why local and F1-F8 are here. Also no one in RL acts like they do here for many reasons, one would be like you stated, but a few others are this is a game, you can be a jerk to ppl and treat them how you want without any RL issues. I am confused about what I typed so I think I am done with it. What ever I say is my own views and not of my corp.
The Jok3r Hookers From Mars	Posted - 2006.11.20 06:22:00 - [123] Originally by: scabbsssjr Originally by: dodo dedere Bob, If you manage to take ASCN space and destroy ASCN, which for the record I believe you never will... If you do, you can attribute your success to being the: most negative most arrogant, most annoying most... What i am trying to say is if you manage the complete destruction of ASCN it will be because you have made some ones gaming experience as miserable as you can. Not primarily through superior PVP, skill points, leadership, superior wit, charm... but because you came across as sufficiant a insert rude word to make the opposition want nothign to do with you, and you're stupid war. If you win, you win because you you have made the opposition think "meh I don't want my game, my free time, my fun ruined by these guys called BOB. BOB, who if they acted like this to me in real life i would either smack them in the face or go to great lengths just to avoid" Ah but its just a game you cry? Don't take it so seriously! lighten up! enjoy it! I would suggest you do the same. At the risk of going of topic... well bear with me: "The intial insult was directed at 'BoB', the continued smack and spam on the forums was directed at the Eve Community. I don't like someone making fun of me, my game, my enjoyment. Eve is more than just an internet space game, its about friends and enemies. Its about social interaction. Just because your hiding behind a computer doesn't mean you have the right to say whatever you want and use the excuse "Its only a game" and not expect anything in return." Replace 'BOB' with ASCN. Sure you are probably thinking oh well im roleplaying an evil guy and i do expect something in return its just that no one in the eve community is good enough at bringing it. Did you stop to think that perhaps people in the eve community just don't care about you? They don't care about you taking over x station, region, blowing up x bs's ? Did you stop to think that ASCN are going to make this war as boring as they humanly can for you? Perhaps, just like you ASCN don't care if their opponents have fun. I know, in person, in real life, plenty of people in BOB who are in BOB for the fights, the cheap tech 2 gear and the community and they are nice guys. I also know they don't take any part in any of these pointless flame wars. What i don't know is how they stand being in an alliance full of people who get most of their enjoyment (in my friends in BOB opinion) by making people miserable via the eve - o forums. How about you just play the game, enjoy the fights and stop this stupid forum war. Dodo Dude. This is why I rarely read beyond page two of these posts. Someone posts something like this. These forums are free speech, if BOB AND ASCN want to smack and spreed a bunch of propaganda around, let them. If this spam/smack is ruining your gaming experiance maybe you should not click on this articale. These posts are what makes the game fun for me. Also about insulting the eve-o community part, chill out man, if you let a post on a forum about a video game get to you this much or anyone here, take a few days off. Go find something fun to do, find a woman, go see a movie, get your mind off of it. Losing a war and smacking each other shouldn't ruin your game, I enjoy good smack and shooting, its why local and F1-F8 are here. Also no one in RL acts like they do here for many reasons, one would be like you stated, but a few others are this is a game, you can be a jerk to ppl and treat them how you want without any RL issues. I am confused about what I typed so I think I am done with it. Agreed that post was most retarded "Were do they get those wonderful toys?"
Trinity Faetal Gallente Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.20 06:39:00 - [124] it's like xetic vs 5 all over again, only this time i dont see a nap in sight anytime soon karma is a baitch! -- join channel Dope Dealerz if you wanna sell or can supply drugs on a regular basis.
thoth foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.11.20 07:38:00 - [125] Originally by: travelingsales In any case the space-holding definition of victory is much better than all the kill ratio business It is a different way to define a victory, sometimes better sometimes worse. The best measure is more simply, was the victory worth the cost. A cost is not just loses, the same as a victory is not just kills. Originally by: travelingsales especially when both sides have the industrial might to make the losses incurred in any single battle more or less meaningless. This is said alot, yet your HC commands you not to engage.. If the losses are so meaningless why would ASCN stop any kind effective defence of PS when you lost TCAG.. Why are so few of your BS t2 equipped? Originally by: travelingsales So as far as that goes, yes, we've lost Paragon Soul and I don't think you'll see anyone disputing that (although this "BoB took Paragon in 4 weeks" stuff is wrong, the Molle "offer to corps based in GQ2" post was made on 9.30.06 which was 7 weeks ago). We finished taking the stations recently, ASCN stopped controlling it many weeks ago. We owned PS from the time you stopped defending it. Personnally i dont care what time scale ASCN decided we put should have put on it.. Noone expected it to be as easy as it was tbh.. Originally by: travelingsales Even our HC posts you guys love to quote usually seem to me to talk about how we are "going to" win the war, as opposed to how we are "winning" it, although that distinction seems to be lost on the vast majority of people commenting about them (not singling out BoB here, tbh it is the alts that really seem to go nuts over those). So yeah, I wouldn't necessarily say we are "winning" the war, but some of the stuff the OP points to as indicative of how badly we are supposed to be losing (for example, our alliance getting smaller by 800) I would argue is actually indicative of a pruning and strengthening of ASCN. In other threads, we are frequently criticized for being bloated and Xetic-like, but then when some of this supposed dead weight is removed, we are said to be falling apart. I guess not all of our critics can be right, although goodness knows we have enough of them and they try enough different criticisms to get lucky sometimes I'll admit i love your HC's comments, i've seen comments amounting to how ASCN was build from dreams etc, and tbh i can well believe this, how anyone can think you will win a war you activity try to avoid fighting.. is entertaining >: )
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.20 08:54:00 - [126] Originally by: Gungankllr Ever seen a bullfighter use a cape to distract the bull? Except we had a big steel anvil sitting behind the cape, and you guys went into it head first. Originally by: DB Preacher BoB Kills on ASCN. 46 Battleships. 100 Support. ASCN Kills on BoB. 8 Battleships. 60 Support. ...Get a bigger anvil... My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Sku1ly STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.20 09:09:00 - [127] blah blah blah STK-S
Amthrianius Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.20 09:14:00 - [128] gungan, do you even play eve? First of all you think ascn has like 35 stations and now you think paragon has 6 station systems of which we own 4, when it actually has 5 and we own all of them Originally by: ASCN Member Mr Testy > mabee next year i can meet some bob at fanfest and beat them up
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.20 09:41:00 - [129] Originally by: Gungankllr As for Paragon Soul: I've been off for a few days, and haven't seen anything official re: Paragon from John or CYVOK in my inbox. Hey there is a surprise. Maybe if they bury their heads in the sand the region will amazingly pop back into ASCN control. Originally by: Gungankllr As I look on the map, I see you guys hold 4 of the 6 stations and station systems, and I don't see any humongous ASCN gangs down there. I might regret this later, like when John or CYVOK read this, but like I said, if I'm anything I'm honest. As of now, due to lack of forces in the region, and you holding the majority of stations, I'd have to say you've sacked Paragon Soul. Congratulations. Gungan, I'm not sure if you play the game much but there are 5 stations in Paragon Soul and we control them all. Have done all weekend in fact. And we killed all your pos. And no-one was there doing anything about it. At all. Originally by: Gungankllr A lot of people tried very hard to stop you from doing that, and I'd just like to thank everyone from Ascendant Frontier that gave their time and effort on a valiant defense. Granted, I know there is some folks down there still fighting the good fight, but it's now behind enemy lines. No Gungan. No, no, no, no. A lot of people tried hard for a couple of weeks in GQ2S. Then they left and we simply finished off the region while attacking feth. There isn't "some folks down there still fighting". There is no-one here but us and a couple of ASCN trying to sneak home out of our territory. I know it's difficult to be realistic when you are desperately trying to pull some meagre sliver of morale from this but don't come on here and lie. Because I will call you out on it every single time. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.20 11:13:00 - [130] Originally by: Amthrianius Edited by: Amthrianius on 20/11/2006 09:17:38 gungan, fyi it actually has 5 stations and we own all of them. Maybe this explains how you came up with like the number 35 when you came up with ascn's station count before when you only had 21? (18 now ;\|) Wow, the number 35 comes up again. I asked CYVOK in a TS meeting how many stations we had in ASCN a while back, and he said 35. I never opened up the map and counted every little orange dot, so if I passed incorrect information, whoops. I made an error. I'm human. Hidden in this signature is a secret message. I like pie.
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.20 11:30:00 - [131] Originally by: DB Preacher No Gungan. No, no, no, no. A lot of people tried hard for a couple of weeks in GQ2S. Then they left and we simply finished off the region while attacking feth. There isn't "some folks down there still fighting". There is no-one here but us and a couple of ASCN trying to sneak home out of our territory. I know it's difficult to be realistic when you are desperately trying to pull some meagre sliver of morale from this but don't come on here and lie. Because I will call you out on it every single time. dbp You guys can't even be gracious winners, can you? I post a congratulatory message message about your victory in Paragon Soul, and you guys flame me and call me a liar. I'm honored you're trying to stick me in the same little box you tried to drop John, CYVOK and Pyrex in. Find an incorrect statement, even accidental, and hammer it as much as you can to show they're an untrustworthy liar. Class acts, you guys are. Oh, and there are folks from ASCN in your space. Yes, Bargemaster. Yes Yes Yes Yes. If I say yes a few more times does it give my paragraph more weight? Hidden in this signature is a secret message. I like pie.
thoth foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.11.20 11:31:00 - [132] Originally by: Gungankllr I asked CYVOK in a TS meeting how many stations we had in ASCN a while back, and he said 35. CYVOK lied to you? oh the shock >: )
Abriana Overlord Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.20 11:34:00 - [133] Edited by: Abriana Overlord on 20/11/2006 11:37:23 edited out point already raised by Amthrianius
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.20 12:30:00 - [134] Edited by: DB Preacher on 20/11/2006 12:29:58 Originally by: Gungankllr Originally by: DB Preacher No Gungan. No, no, no, no. A lot of people tried hard for a couple of weeks in GQ2S. Then they left and we simply finished off the region while attacking feth. There isn't "some folks down there still fighting". There is no-one here but us and a couple of ASCN trying to sneak home out of our territory. I know it's difficult to be realistic when you are desperately trying to pull some meagre sliver of morale from this but don't come on here and lie. Because I will call you out on it every single time. dbp You guys can't even be gracious winners, can you? I post a congratulatory message message about your victory in Paragon Soul, and you guys flame me and call me a liar. I'm honored you're trying to stick me in the same little box you tried to drop John, CYVOK and Pyrex in. Find an incorrect statement, even accidental, and hammer it as much as you can to show they're an untrustworthy liar. Class acts, you guys are. Oh, and there are folks from ASCN in your space. Yes, Bargemaster. Yes Yes Yes Yes. If I say yes a few more times does it give my paragraph more weight? No gungan. It's not about trying to pidgeonhole you into the same liar shaped slots that McCreedy and CYVOK are in. It's about you writing a post that is infactual and incorrect. I'm sorry if you feel you have to try and flame me personally when I point out your inacurracies but maybe you should try and be slightly more factual in your information in the first place. And Gungan, since you insist, I'm not exactly sure who is telling you that there are folks from ASCN in Paragon Soul still down there fighting the good fight but they are lying to you. Maybe you should stop listening to HC and the ASCN membership because they appear to be giving you quite alot of duff information... whether it's how many stations you own, how well you have done in battles, which pilots they have seen where, where there is fighting ongoing etc etc If you stop relaying lies or errors or whatever you want to call them then you won't be called out on it. It's that simple. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
dodo dedere Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.20 12:53:00 - [135] Edited by: dodo dedere on 20/11/2006 12:53:48 meh, I knew it was pointless replying. Last comment then I'm leaving forums Firstly I'm not in ASCN, BOB hasn't attacked me in the forums or in game, you aren't ruining anything for me. I hope the time will come when AXE will be into the BOB/ASCN war full scale and I look forward to it. Also its kind of pointless saying my real life character seems quite weak when you have made that judgment from one post. Why not just try to do what you want to do, attack ASCN, destroy them whatever without all this forum war which whether you call it smack, propaganda, facts, evidence or whatever is only designed to demoralize you're opponent. In the process it makes you look like real idiots. I'll say it again. You can enlarge you're ego, you can get a sense of achievement, you can gain respect purely through in game actions. You have the Skill points, skill, leadership and experience to do it, so why dont you? Ah yes you enjoy this, you enjoy the forum war. Well, while I understand where you are coming from with that I will never understand why you take it to such massive extremes. Dodo
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.20 13:16:00 - [136] Quote: [STK-S] Sku1ly FAO [RKK] Galavet Do us all a favour and get hit by a bus you stupid immature, spying little *****. Love Skully xx We love you too, Skully. mwa.
Sharcy Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.20 13:19:00 - [137] Originally by: DB Preacher No gungan. You just can't help yourself, can you? --
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.20 13:51:00 - [138] Originally by: Sharcy Originally by: DB Preacher No gungan. You just can't help yourself, can you? Excuse me, but I'm a bit puzzled here..... If someone posts inaccurate information, why is it (and please be exact here), that people with the accurate information are not allowed/supposed to post it???? My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
PSA1SWIPE Caldari adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.20 15:07:00 - [139] Hey DBP how them beans doing oh and well i dont really know who to vote for bob or ascnd i guess go ascnd I like bunny wabbits
Coranor Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.20 15:56:00 - [140] Edited by: Coranor on 20/11/2006 15:56:28 Quote: [STK-S] Sku1ly FAO [RKK] Galavet Do us all a favour and get hit by a bus you stupid immature, spying little *****. Love Skully xx And we're supposed to be the immature quakekiddies who take the game too seriously.
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.20 16:00:00 - [141] Edited by: Herculite on 20/11/2006 16:00:49 I think there are only two real questions right now. 1. Will BoB get bored. 2. If BoB sees it through, who will run off with the ASCN cookie jar? Its a shame because there are some really good people in ASCN, even when they were shooting me for being a 'BoB slave', but that was under orders from their HC.
Malius Solar Storm	Posted - 2006.11.20 16:17:00 - [142] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 20/11/2006 12:29:58 Originally by: Gungankllr Originally by: DB Preacher No Gungan. No, no, no, no. A lot of people tried hard for a couple of weeks in GQ2S. Then they left and we simply finished off the region while attacking feth. There isn't "some folks down there still fighting". There is no-one here but us and a couple of ASCN trying to sneak home out of our territory. I know it's difficult to be realistic when you are desperately trying to pull some meagre sliver of morale from this but don't come on here and lie. Because I will call you out on it every single time. dbp You guys can't even be gracious winners, can you? I post a congratulatory message message about your victory in Paragon Soul, and you guys flame me and call me a liar. I'm honored you're trying to stick me in the same little box you tried to drop John, CYVOK and Pyrex in. Find an incorrect statement, even accidental, and hammer it as much as you can to show they're an untrustworthy liar. Class acts, you guys are. Oh, and there are folks from ASCN in your space. Yes, Bargemaster. Yes Yes Yes Yes. If I say yes a few more times does it give my paragraph more weight? No gungan. It's not about trying to pidgeonhole you into the same liar shaped slots that McCreedy and CYVOK are in. It's about you writing a post that is infactual and incorrect. I'm sorry if you feel you have to try and flame me personally when I point out your inacurracies but maybe you should try and be slightly more factual in your information in the first place. And Gungan, since you insist, I'm not exactly sure who is telling you that there are folks from ASCN in Paragon Soul still down there fighting the good fight but they are lying to you. Maybe you should stop listening to HC and the ASCN membership because they appear to be giving you quite alot of duff information... whether it's how many stations you own, how well you have done in battles, which pilots they have seen where, where there is fighting ongoing etc etc If you stop relaying lies or errors or whatever you want to call them then you won't be called out on it. It's that simple. dbp Interesting then. I mean, about who's lying etc. I was just taking a look at your killboard and I see a loss just today in PS in 04T-Z5. So your claiming there are no ASCN in PS or if there is they are running for the hills? Looks like while running for the hills they took a ishkur in the process.. heh. Its an insignifcant kill but still, you need to get your facts straight also before you begin posting I think.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.20 16:25:00 - [143] Edited by: DB Preacher on 20/11/2006 16:27:32 Dude, You just absolutely proved my point. 1 loss. 1 ishkur loss. That is not peeps fighting, that's not even worth a mention. We lose more to NPC's than 1 ishkur per day. I'm sorry if you see everything in absolutes but if you want to claim that 1 ishkur kill per day is vindictive of an alliance fighting in a region or even "some folks down there still fighting the good fight" then you are very much mistaken. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Helen STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.20 16:37:00 - [144] Edited by: Helen on 20/11/2006 16:38:10 Originally by: Coranor Edited by: Coranor on 20/11/2006 15:56:28 Quote: [STK-S] Sku1ly FAO [RKK] Galavet Do us all a favour and get hit by a bus you stupid immature, spying little *****. Love Skully xx And we're supposed to be the immature quakekiddies who take the game too seriously. Ahh now we hurt your feelings. Don't have to read our boards you know.
Griefer Troll Troll Industries	Posted - 2006.11.20 16:56:00 - [145] Originally by: Darcuese I just wanna say that some ppl obviously spent to much time infront of their PCs and lost touch with reality and common sence. I would suggest this game require some RL expiriance before you play it....or you might end up in loonyhouse very soon. This ainght a joke sadly I am assuming this was directed at the OP, and others like him with their self-righteous 'status' reports (blacklight, Molle, DBpreacher & list goes on)? QFT! But hell don't think I'm one-sided. Alot of ASCN suck too. The only people who give one tiny little crap about all this peen-swinging, are people like me who enjoy coming into the zoo to watch the fantastic collection of nerds and flaming them. Does it make me as bad as anyone here? Probably does, but at least I am thoughtful enough to recognise i live in the gutter. Nothing more pathetic than a stinking tramp who thinks he's somebody.
Griefer Troll Troll Industries	Posted - 2006.11.20 17:03:00 - [146] Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 19/11/2006 23:42:14 Last ASCN tower in station systems in Paragon Soul has just died. I'd like to add that no ASCN fleet entered Paragon soul this weekend. @ crellion: they are testing new regions on sisi accordingly to their previous posts. I wonder why. He specifically said he didn't want an answer from BoB members. I wonder why?
Zrevak Ashek The Blackwater Brigade	Posted - 2006.11.20 17:22:00 - [147] Edited by: Zrevak Ashek on 20/11/2006 17:22:20 Hehe! I can almost forsee where this is all going ASCN is defeated, but their strongest "pvp" corps(reborn like Huzzah was reborn in NoQ f.ex) live on and somehow just happens to join LV. BOB attacks LV and FINALLY get the war they allways wanted.
Griefer Troll Troll Industries	Posted - 2006.11.20 17:29:00 - [148] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 20/11/2006 16:27:32 Dude, You just absolutely proved my point. 1 loss. 1 ishkur loss. That is not peeps fighting, that's not even worth a mention. We lose more to NPC's than 1 ishkur per day. I'm sorry if you see everything in absolutes but if you want to claim that 1 ishkur kill per day is vindictive of an alliance fighting in a region or even "some folks down there still fighting the good fight" then you are very much mistaken. dbp Dude, you are starting to foam at the mouth... and i think that concludes my participation in this thread.
Malius Solar Storm	Posted - 2006.11.20 17:55:00 - [149] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 20/11/2006 16:27:32 Dude, You just absolutely proved my point. 1 loss. 1 ishkur loss. That is not peeps fighting, that's not even worth a mention. We lose more to NPC's than 1 ishkur per day. I'm sorry if you see everything in absolutes but if you want to claim that 1 ishkur kill per day is vindictive of an alliance fighting in a region or even "some folks down there still fighting the good fight" then you are very much mistaken. dbp Dude, all I'm saying is, your lieing when you say there is no ASCN there, you sound like the Iraqi information minister. There is no ASCN in Paragon Soul (meanwhile I see theres another kill mail from paragon there today). YOU Preach about posting the truth, so don't try to tell Gungan that he is lieing when you don't know whats going on in your own region.
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.11.20 18:03:00 - [150] Originally by: Sun Ra LOL really ACSN FC you really should be enforcing ship setups, i spotted loads of long range ships with tanks on(a tempest fitting 1200 so he can tank) and s arma with small lasers on and 2x 1600,and no if your trying to kill support it doesnt work in fleet, just kaes you FC think he has more bs than he actually has a) force setups and check them b) make all corps issue corp insured bs to those who pvp, make them pay for it and the insurance then everytime they lose a bs the corp can replace c) tell each corp % of their pilots must partake in all fleet ops per week, if they dont kick them out What your probably seeing there is just some people who want to participate in fleet battles but don't have the full big gun skills to use them. I'm sure there are a lot of characters in ASCN that can fly a battle ship but don't have all the skills learned to be fully effective in them. TBH I don't know, I just think that is the simplest answer. Most people who have used BS in fleet fights know how to fit them.
Cataclysmic Rogue Federation of Builders Inc	Posted - 2006.11.20 18:06:00 - [151] Originally by: Malius Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 20/11/2006 16:27:32 Dude, You just absolutely proved my point. 1 loss. 1 ishkur loss. That is not peeps fighting, that's not even worth a mention. We lose more to NPC's than 1 ishkur per day. I'm sorry if you see everything in absolutes but if you want to claim that 1 ishkur kill per day is vindictive of an alliance fighting in a region or even "some folks down there still fighting the good fight" then you are very much mistaken. dbp Dude, all I'm saying is, your lieing when you say there is no ASCN there, you sound like the Iraqi information minister. There is no ASCN in Paragon Soul (meanwhile I see theres another kill mail from paragon there today). YOU Preach about posting the truth, so don't try to tell Gungan that he is lieing when you don't know whats going on in your own region. In the grand scheme of things I dont think the loss of one ishkur is going to result in BOB turning tail and fleeing from paragon soul and demanding peace. Tbh the ASCN corps should either fight back or accept some sort of deal. I have to say the fact the "Useless" avatar was only used in defence of AZN says a lot to me as a spectator. The kill stats for bob are quite frightening almost every day (even if ASCN spam petitions as implied by their members posts) Gl to both sides I want to see how it all turns out
DeadDuck Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.20 18:15:00 - [152] Originally by: Malius Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 20/11/2006 16:27:32 Dude, You just absolutely proved my point. 1 loss. 1 ishkur loss. That is not peeps fighting, that's not even worth a mention. We lose more to NPC's than 1 ishkur per day. I'm sorry if you see everything in absolutes but if you want to claim that 1 ishkur kill per day is vindictive of an alliance fighting in a region or even "some folks down there still fighting the good fight" then you are very much mistaken. dbp Dude, all I'm saying is, your lieing when you say there is no ASCN there, you sound like the Iraqi information minister. There is no ASCN in Paragon Soul (meanwhile I see theres another kill mail from paragon there today). YOU Preach about posting the truth, so don't try to tell Gungan that he is lieing when you don't know whats going on in your own region. I believe DBP knows quite well whats happening in PS, and the KMs of some BOB ships will not change the fact that it looks that you ceased to have a presence there, mainly because a roaming gang doesnt mean nothing. And if by any chance ASCN still has a significant force in the area, I strongly recommend to concentrate all your forces, where it matters.
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus	Posted - 2006.11.20 18:25:00 - [153] yeah over in delve and aridia this hasnt happend so i guess BOB will start shooting other peeps namley Redswarm etc
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.11.20 18:59:00 - [154] Originally by: Murukan Edited by: Murukan on 19/11/2006 21:00:31 i'm getting a weird sense of deja vu. Like i've already read this thread before. I do have to admit though the nice region... With thol immedietly replying we'll take it was a good little forum coreography yeah that's about it. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Malius Solar Storm	Posted - 2006.11.20 19:22:00 - [155] Originally by: DeadDuck I believe DBP knows quite well whats happening in PS, and the KMs of some BOB ships will not change the fact that it looks that you ceased to have a presence there, mainly because a roaming gang doesnt mean nothing. And if by any chance ASCN still has a significant force in the area, I strongly recommend to concentrate all your forces, where it matters. I'm not in ascn, just a fan of these threads. Anyway, the 2 kills are insignificant, I said that, but he also claimed that they were in complete control, and there were no ASCN operating there. I was pointing out that their killboard says differently. If you make an absolute claim (which DBP did in his No No No post to Gungan), you should be absolutely sure about it.
Farham Gallente AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.20 19:30:00 - [156] Quote: LOL really ACSN FC you really should be enforcing ship setups, i spotted loads of long range ships with tanks on(a tempest fitting 1200 so he can tank) and s arma with small lasers on and 2x 1600,and no if your trying to kill support it doesnt work in fleet, just kaes you FC think he has more bs than he actually has Just an informational post: The BS tanks were in place to be able to tank 50,000 EM damage (Avatar DD weapon) that was fully expected in the battles on Saturday and going forward. I would assume the question came from someone who never had to plan for such damage.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.20 20:19:00 - [157] Originally by: Malius Originally by: DeadDuck I believe DBP knows quite well whats happening in PS, and the KMs of some BOB ships will not change the fact that it looks that you ceased to have a presence there, mainly because a roaming gang doesnt mean nothing. And if by any chance ASCN still has a significant force in the area, I strongly recommend to concentrate all your forces, where it matters. I'm not in ascn, just a fan of these threads. Anyway, the 2 kills are insignificant, I said that, but he also claimed that they were in complete control, and there were no ASCN operating there. I was pointing out that their killboard says differently. If you make an absolute claim (which DBP did in his No No No post to Gungan), you should be absolutely sure about it. 1 ishkur loss is about as absolute as it gets, fyi. We ARE in complete control, try bringing something bigger than a frigate in to the area to test it.
Malius Solar Storm	Posted - 2006.11.20 20:34:00 - [158] Originally by: Dianabolic 1 ishkur loss is about as absolute as it gets, fyi. We ARE in complete control, try bringing something bigger than a frigate in to the area to test it. I'm sorry, but your not. 2 ships like today, or 200, by implying your in complete control means you can stop any and all attacks. Its just not the case, not now, not ever. To state that is misrepresenting yourselves as ASCN HC might have. You can keep trying to spin it, or you can admit that you cannot 'completely' control an area? Next spin doctor please.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.20 20:39:00 - [159] Originally by: Malius Originally by: Dianabolic 1 ishkur loss is about as absolute as it gets, fyi. We ARE in complete control, try bringing something bigger than a frigate in to the area to test it. I'm sorry, but your not. 2 ships like today, or 200, by implying your in complete control means you can stop any and all attacks. Its just not the case, not now, not ever. To state that is misrepresenting yourselves as ASCN HC might have. You can keep trying to spin it, or you can admit that you cannot 'completely' control an area? Next spin doctor please. lol, whatever you say bub. We're in complete control, we could lose a battleship even, in the vast lawless spaces of 0.0 that IS complete control. Next special project, please
Malius Solar Storm	Posted - 2006.11.20 20:42:00 - [160] Originally by: Dianabolic lol, whatever you say bub. Ok, well I guess if you say that way, it must be true. We have different opinions of complete control obviously. I just think should be a little more honest with yourselves.
ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.20 20:42:00 - [161] Originally by: Malius I'm sorry, but your not. 2 ships like today, or 200, by implying your in complete control means you can stop any and all attacks. Don't be obtuse. Yes, VC-ASCN Wing, will probably be able to get a frig in every now and then and claim.. "omg we live!!" The same can be said of any alliance in this game. Control has many definitions, and by every meaningful and applicable definition, we have control. We control this region now, just as we control the fate of ASCN. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Malius Solar Storm	Posted - 2006.11.20 20:53:00 - [162] Originally by: ProphetGuru Don't be obtuse. Yes, VC-ASCN Wing, will probably be able to get a frig in every now and then and claim.. "omg we live!!" Perhaps, but my posts were not disputing ownership of the region, which is obviously yours, it was more this statement by DBP: "There isn't "some folks down there still fighting". There is no-one here but us and a couple of ASCN trying to sneak home out of our territory." Which isn't completely true, or his assertion of complete control, which someone else put it better a couple posts back as 'impossible in lawless 0.0' space. Originally by: ProphetGuru ...just as we control the fate of ASCN. Interesting observation, I didn't see it that way I guess.
MIGHTYDWC Gallente Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.20 21:28:00 - [163] Originally by: ProphetGuru Originally by: Malius I'm sorry, but your not. 2 ships like today, or 200, by implying your in complete control means you can stop any and all attacks. Don't be obtuse. Yes, VC-ASCN Wing, will probably be able to get a frig in every now and then and claim.. "omg we live!!" The same can be said of any alliance in this game. Control has many definitions, and by every meaningful and applicable definition, we have control. We control this region now, just as we control the fate of ASCN. Not meant as flamage or anything, but I get scared when someone throws the "obtuse" adj at someone else, specially after watching Shawshank Redemption.
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.20 21:37:00 - [164] Originally by: Malius Originally by: ProphetGuru Don't be obtuse. Yes, VC-ASCN Wing, will probably be able to get a frig in every now and then and claim.. "omg we live!!" Perhaps, but my posts were not disputing ownership of the region, which is obviously yours, it was more this statement by DBP: "There isn't "some folks down there still fighting". There is no-one here but us and a couple of ASCN trying to sneak home out of our territory." Which isn't completely true, or his assertion of complete control, which someone else put it better a couple posts back as 'impossible in lawless 0.0' space. Originally by: ProphetGuru ...just as we control the fate of ASCN. Interesting observation, I didn't see it that way I guess. are you just thick for arguments sake or do you really have a problem grasping basic game mechanics? We control the region, there might be the odd frigate or even a couple of them going there every once in a while. But there hasnt been a fleet there in a long time. They tried last sunday but stopped one system out of PS and then turned back to AZN. And I can promise you that no enemy frig fleet will go unchecked there, you can try that yourself if you like. Or you can sit here on the forums making an ass out of yourself.
MrRogerz The Neighborhood	Posted - 2006.11.21 01:23:00 - [165] Originally by: Tzrailasa Originally by: Sharcy Originally by: DB Preacher No gungan. You just can't help yourself, can you? Excuse me, but I'm a bit puzzled here..... If someone posts inaccurate information, why is it (and please be exact here), that people with the accurate information are not allowed/supposed to post it???? Who on earth said BoB had the accurate information?
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.21 01:29:00 - [166] Originally by: MrRogerz Originally by: Tzrailasa Originally by: Sharcy Originally by: DB Preacher No gungan. You just can't help yourself, can you? Excuse me, but I'm a bit puzzled here..... If someone posts inaccurate information, why is it (and please be exact here), that people with the accurate information are not allowed/supposed to post it???? Who on earth said BoB had the accurate information? Who says we don't? There's a lot of vitriolic nonsense and crying when we post uncomfortable truths but I'm yet to see anyone successfully refute any of the facts we post. Blog
Delthus Species 5618 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.21 01:49:00 - [167] anywho umm i still don't know whats been going i nthe last 3 months except bob took paragon all i know is i got targets when i get a decent laptop but here goes my same old speal all bob will die by me cause i rock ;) that is all continue the useless bickering i am greater then u all muahahhaha see u all December 23 U BETTER NOT NAP OR I WILL SO BLOW A GASKET
MrRogerz The Neighborhood	Posted - 2006.11.21 01:56:00 - [168] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: MrRogerz Originally by: Tzrailasa Originally by: Sharcy Originally by: DB Preacher No gungan. You just can't help yourself, can you? Excuse me, but I'm a bit puzzled here..... If someone posts inaccurate information, why is it (and please be exact here), that people with the accurate information are not allowed/supposed to post it???? Who on earth said BoB had the accurate information? Who says we don't? There's a lot of vitriolic nonsense and crying when we post uncomfortable truths but I'm yet to see anyone successfully refute any of the facts we post. Almost every other member of this forum don't believe BoB speak truth at all
Yuri Steel Forge Logistics	Posted - 2006.11.21 01:56:00 - [169] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: MrRogerz Originally by: Tzrailasa Originally by: Sharcy Originally by: DB Preacher No gungan. You just can't help yourself, can you? Excuse me, but I'm a bit puzzled here..... If someone posts inaccurate information, why is it (and please be exact here), that people with the accurate information are not allowed/supposed to post it???? Who on earth said BoB had the accurate information? Who says we don't? There's a lot of vitriolic nonsense and crying when we post uncomfortable truths but I'm yet to see anyone successfully refute any of the facts we post. You cannot refute facts when none are ever posted.
Recluse Viramor Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.21 02:08:00 - [170] Originally by: MrRogerz Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: MrRogerz Originally by: Tzrailasa Originally by: Sharcy Originally by: DB Preacher No gungan. You just can't help yourself, can you? Excuse me, but I'm a bit puzzled here..... If someone posts inaccurate information, why is it (and please be exact here), that people with the accurate information are not allowed/supposed to post it???? Who on earth said BoB had the accurate information? Who says we don't? There's a lot of vitriolic nonsense and crying when we post uncomfortable truths but I'm yet to see anyone successfully refute any of the facts we post. Almost every other member of this forum don't believe BoB speak truth at all So almost every other member of this forum? It seems your statement about truth is lacking in truth itself. Everyone step back and take a deep breath.
slip66 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.21 04:47:00 - [171] Originally by: Crellion I am confused. If ASCN has 4000+ members cant they get 2 fleets of 500 each say and go forth and pown? Afaik they are not predominently noobs like Goons for exampel so they should have at least 200-400 fully tech II BSs at all times standing by... I am just wondering and please I wouldnt like any BoB replies to this but I d love an explannation from an ASCN member who knows whats what. Ty You would think that but apprently they have ALOT of alts or else ALOT of people just making isk for themselves. I think they decided losing a t2 bs wasnt worth it since it would most certianly die. Better to save that t2 for the NPC alt. Originally by: StOrM ViPeR Theres a skill called surgical strike in game I've learned that it actually stands for Band of Brothers
Lorac Caladon Caldari The Cowboy Junkies	Posted - 2006.11.21 15:10:00 - [172] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 20/11/2006 16:27:32 Dude, You just absolutely proved my point. 1 loss. 1 ishkur loss. That is not peeps fighting, that's not even worth a mention. We lose more to NPC's than 1 ishkur per day. I'm sorry if you see everything in absolutes but if you want to claim that 1 ishkur kill per day is vindictive of an alliance fighting in a region or even "some folks down there still fighting the good fight" then you are very much mistaken. dbp So NPC's are killing more BOB everyday than ASCN is in PS? Maybe you should try to inflitrate the NPC's TS and forum's. There is apparently no shame in having to cheat to beat a PC, why worry about cheating to avoid loses to NPC's? As L33T as BOB is, surely you can find a way...
Coranor Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.21 15:51:00 - [173] Why don't you come down to paragon soul and see how extensive our control of the region is. Its all very well sitting in empire or 2-3 regions away and rambling like a mad man from there its when you actually come down to take a look that you'll actually find stuff out. Theories have to be proven and i'm sorry but a couple of frigs is not proof.
Bobbeh Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.21 22:24:00 - [174] Originally by: Lorac Caladon So NPC's are killing more BOB everyday than ASCN is in PS? Maybe you should try to inflitrate the NPC's TS and forum's. There is apparently no shame in having to cheat to beat a PC, why worry about cheating to avoid loses to NPC's? As L33T as BOB is, surely you can find a way... Those NPC's drop good loot. Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking.
Ituralde Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.21 22:49:00 - [175] Originally by: Lorac Caladon So NPC's are killing more BOB everyday than ASCN is in PS? Maybe you should try to inflitrate the NPC's TS and forum's. There is apparently no shame in having to cheat to beat a PC, why worry about cheating to avoid loses to NPC's? As L33T as BOB is, surely you can find a way... They don't need to, NPCs don't hide at POS and gasp fight when attacked. Fear is the mind-killer.
Lorac Caladon Caldari The Cowboy Junkies	Posted - 2006.11.22 03:59:00 - [176] Originally by: Bobbeh Originally by: Lorac Caladon So NPC's are killing more BOB everyday than ASCN is in PS? Maybe you should try to inflitrate the NPC's TS and forum's. There is apparently no shame in having to cheat to beat a PC, why worry about cheating to avoid loses to NPC's? As L33T as BOB is, surely you can find a way... Those NPC's drop good loot. I don't think anyone denies that you control the region NOW. I just think that most people believe you could not control the region NOW if you did not cheat.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.22 04:11:00 - [177] Originally by: Lorac Caladon I don't think anyone denies that you control the region NOW. I just think that most people believe you could not control the region NOW if you did not cheat. Ok smart arse, let's have it then, where's the proof of us cheating that you are obviously sat on? Blog
Lorac Caladon Caldari The Cowboy Junkies	Posted - 2006.11.22 04:14:00 - [178] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Lorac Caladon I don't think anyone denies that you control the region NOW. I just think that most people believe you could not control the region NOW if you did not cheat. Ok smart arse, let's have it then, where's the proof of us cheating that you are obviously sat on? Do BOB members have ASCN TS &/or Forum access?
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.22 04:18:00 - [179] Originally by: Lorac Caladon Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Lorac Caladon I don't think anyone denies that you control the region NOW. I just think that most people believe you could not control the region NOW if you did not cheat. Ok smart arse, let's have it then, where's the proof of us cheating that you are obviously sat on? Do BOB members have ASCN TS &/or Forum access? Where is your proof that we are cheating? Blog
Sirius A Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.22 04:21:00 - [180] Edited by: Sirius A on 22/11/2006 04:25:14 Originally by: ProphetGuru Quote: We control this region now, just as we control the fate of ASCN. ...thats a good one
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.22 04:26:00 - [181] Edited by: Blacklight on 22/11/2006 04:26:14 Originally by: Sirius A ...thats a good one ... and that's a keeper for when you have no stations, no regions and no presence left in 0.0, if you don't believe it's coming yet you will when we're done. Blog
Lorac Caladon Caldari The Cowboy Junkies	Posted - 2006.11.22 04:30:00 - [182] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Lorac Caladon Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Lorac Caladon I don't think anyone denies that you control the region NOW. I just think that most people believe you could not control the region NOW if you did not cheat. Ok smart arse, let's have it then, where's the proof of us cheating that you are obviously sat on? Do BOB members have ASCN TS &/or Forum access? Where is your proof that we are cheating? It's in the ôyes or noö question that you are evading. BTW, I base my definition of cheating on the dictionary.com definition. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cheating
Sirius A Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.22 04:33:00 - [183] cheat (cht) Pronunciation Key v. cheat+ed, cheat+ing, cheats v. tr. To deceive by trickery; swindle: cheated customers by overcharging them for purchases. To deprive by trickery; defraud: cheated them of their land. To mislead; fool: illusions that cheat the eye. To elude; escape: cheat death. v. intr. To act dishonestly; practice fraud. To violate rules deliberately, as in a game: was accused of cheating at cards. Informal. To be sexually unfaithful: cheat on a spouse. n. An act of cheating; a fraud or swindle. One who cheats; a swindler. Law. Fraudulent acquisition of another's property. Botany. An annual European species of brome grass (Bromus secalinus) widely naturalized in temperate regions.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.22 04:34:00 - [184] Originally by: Lorac Caladon Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Lorac Caladon Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Lorac Caladon I don't think anyone denies that you control the region NOW. I just think that most people believe you could not control the region NOW if you did not cheat. Ok smart arse, let's have it then, where's the proof of us cheating that you are obviously sat on? Do BOB members have ASCN TS &/or Forum access? Where is your proof that we are cheating? It's in the ôyes or noö question that you are evading. BTW, I base my definition of cheating on the dictionary.com definition. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cheating So you have none then? What a surprise. Yes we use spies, it's been widely discussed and debated, however, when the Devs/GMs classify that as cheating your accusation has some legs, they currently don't so neither does your accusation. Care to rethink the word 'cheat' now? Blog
Sirius A Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.22 04:37:00 - [185] Im a believer in all is fair in love and war. If im on the winning or losing end of the stick. "Only the strong shall survive, for the meek shall perish by the wasteside"
Lorac Caladon Caldari The Cowboy Junkies	Posted - 2006.11.22 04:48:00 - [186] Edited by: Lorac Caladon on 22/11/2006 04:50:42 Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Lorac Caladon Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Lorac Caladon Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Lorac Caladon I don't think anyone denies that you control the region NOW. I just think that most people believe you could not control the region NOW if you did not cheat. Ok smart arse, let's have it then, where's the proof of us cheating that you are obviously sat on? Do BOB members have ASCN TS &/or Forum access? Where is your proof that we are cheating? It's in the ôyes or noö question that you are evading. BTW, I base my definition of cheating on the dictionary.com definition. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cheating So you have none then? What a surprise. Yes we use spies, it's been widely discussed and debated, however, when the Devs/GMs classify that as cheating your accusation has some legs, they currently don't so neither does your accusation. Care to rethink the word 'cheat' now? No. Sorry to burst your big bad bubble...but. no. cheat (cht) Pronunciation Key v. cheat+ed, cheat+ing, cheats v. tr. To deceive by trickery; swindle: cheated customers by overcharging them for purchases. To deprive by trickery; defraud: cheated them of their land. To mislead; fool: illusions that cheat the eye. To elude; escape: cheat death. v. intr. To act dishonestly; practice fraud. To violate rules deliberately, as in a game: was accused of cheating at cards. Informal. To be sexually unfaithful: cheat on a spouse. n. An act of cheating; a fraud or swindle. One who cheats; a swindler. Law. Fraudulent acquisition of another's property. Botany. An annual European species of brome grass (Bromus secalinus) widely naturalized in temperate regions.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.11.22 04:54:00 - [187] I don't see how any of those definitions apply to BoB, what exactly is your point ? http://eve.klaki.net/
Lorac Caladon Caldari The Cowboy Junkies	Posted - 2006.11.22 04:55:00 - [188] You cheat BOb. You cheat better than anyone else, but you CHAT. CHEaTiNgG will Catch uP witH yOu.
Lorac Caladon Caldari The Cowboy Junkies	Posted - 2006.11.22 04:59:00 - [189] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk I don't see how any of those definitions apply to BoB, what exactly is your point ? I hope you don't run an alliance: TS, Forums, Alliance CEOÆs, DirÆs, etcà
Arenis Xemdal Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.22 05:02:00 - [190] Since you found your victory in the dictionary, maybe you'll find our sympathies. Its located between here and here.
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.22 05:04:00 - [191] Edited by: Metal Dude on 22/11/2006 05:04:44 Originally by: Lorac Caladon Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Lorac Caladon I don't think anyone denies that you control the region NOW. I just think that most people believe you could not control the region NOW if you did not cheat. Ok smart arse, let's have it then, where's the proof of us cheating that you are obviously sat on? Do BOB members have ASCN TS &/or Forum access? Originally by: Gungankllr Of course we have spies in your alliance. We have people that report to us on a regular basis what BoB and other entities are doing. I get at least three or four evemails a week from members of different alliances wanting to sell me information about their alliance. I refer them to someone else, as I'm sure anybody in HC would be happy to attest to. You've known we had and have spies all along, which is why CYVOK knew in advance you guys were going to be attacking us. Again, it's ok for ASCN to have spies but BoB cheats when we do it? The truth will set you free
Lorac Caladon Caldari The Cowboy Junkies	Posted - 2006.11.22 05:18:00 - [192] My bad...please link me to the post from any ASCN member that mimic the BOB "PRIVATE" forum's.
Lorac Caladon Caldari The Cowboy Junkies	Posted - 2006.11.22 05:20:00 - [193] Not to mention the "right or wrong' aspect. it's still cheating.
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.22 05:27:00 - [194] Originally by: Lorac Caladon My bad...please link me to the post from any ASCN member that mimic the BOB "PRIVATE" forum's. Hey, just because thereÆs nothing to mimic or that ASCN is not as good at spying as BoB does not mean that it does not happen or that ASCN does not try. ASCN diplomat said it himself and it also states that ASCN had spies in BoB before the war even started. How do you explain that? Hypocrisy at itÆs best once again. The truth will set you free
Lorac Caladon Caldari The Cowboy Junkies	Posted - 2006.11.22 05:38:00 - [195] Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Lorac Caladon My bad...please link me to the post from any ASCN member that mimic the BOB "PRIVATE" forum's. Hey, just because thereÆs nothing to mimic or that ASCN is not as good at spying as BoB does not mean that it does not happen or that ASCN does not try. ASCN diplomat said it himself and it also states that ASCN had spies in BoB before the war even started. How do you explain that? Hypocrisy at itÆs best once again. Because I can. Thanks MD :-> ISK is already escrowed ;-)
Lorac Caladon Caldari The Cowboy Junkies	Posted - 2006.11.22 05:42:00 - [196] Originally by: Lorac Caladon Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Lorac Caladon My bad...please link me to the post from any ASCN member that mimic the BOB "PRIVATE" forum's. Hey, just because thereÆs nothing to mimic or that ASCN is not as good at spying as BoB does not mean that it does not happen or that ASCN does not try. ASCN diplomat said it himself and it also states that ASCN had spies in BoB before the war even started. How do you explain that? Hypocrisy at itÆs best once again. Of course I did not escrow MD any ISK. What a big mistake i would have mdae ,,,Meeal Dude is Fine bob. Because I can. Thanks MD :-> ISK is already escrowed ;-)
Fist'of God S.M.C Cartage Co.	Posted - 2006.11.22 06:15:00 - [197] Originally by: Lorac Caladon Originally by: Bobbeh Originally by: Lorac Caladon So NPC's are killing more BOB everyday than ASCN is in PS? Maybe you should try to inflitrate the NPC's TS and forum's. There is apparently no shame in having to cheat to beat a PC, why worry about cheating to avoid loses to NPC's? As L33T as BOB is, surely you can find a way... Those NPC's drop good loot. I don't think anyone denies that you control the region NOW. I just think that most people believe you could not control the region NOW if you did not cheat. rofl Yes, the only way the mighty ascn could POSSIBLY lose is if bob cheated. Face it, ascn has a military made up of peasants with pitchforks. What do you think will happen to said peasants when a real military shows up? ... Just what has happened, they melt like butter in the fryingpan
Fist'of God S.M.C Cartage Co.	Posted - 2006.11.22 06:16:00 - [198] Edited by: Fist''of God on 22/11/2006 06:17:52 Originally by: Lorac Caladon Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Lorac Caladon Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Lorac Caladon I don't think anyone denies that you control the region NOW. I just think that most people believe you could not control the region NOW if you did not cheat. Ok smart arse, let's have it then, where's the proof of us cheating that you are obviously sat on? Do BOB members have ASCN TS &/or Forum access? Where is your proof that we are cheating? It's in the ôyes or noö question that you are evading. BTW, I base my definition of cheating on the dictionary.com definition. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cheating You shouldnt answer a question with a question. It is bad manners.
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.11.22 06:18:00 - [199] Edited by: Evil Thug on 22/11/2006 06:18:19 Its not even funny to read how many ascn guys shooting themselves in a leg. You do have spies, they do have a spies, does it really matters ? On the battlefield, good commander > gazzilion spies. Who is guilty, that you haven`t won single fleet engagement ? I guess spies To do something constructive - you need to be honest with yourselves. You are losing because they are simply better than you. They found your weak point, while you are not. Now you have 4000 people. Yes, some of them are inactive, but you can pull like 150 man gangs on daily basis. What prevents you from launching dread attacks to Delve, for example ? Bob invested loads of iskies into industry of that region. Hit and run. Get all POS into reinforced, and then decide where to hit. If they wont respond - their industry will be crippled (Don`t tell me about "omg, i have 10000b in my wallet". I know that. But losing property is always hurts), if they will - you will have time to strike on Paragon Soul, because you TWO times bigger than them. Instead of that ascn guys preffer to sit in AZN and wait till BoB will come here. They will come, beleive me. And losing this system will be coupe de grace for your alliance. Stop with "we sucked but we`ll improve". You promised to do so after e3- conflict with us. Where is your improvement ? Stop talking, time to act ! Why I writing this ? Because i wanted to see fight of 2 equal entities, one - with strong pvp core, second - with strong industrial core. But for now i see bully beating schoolboy, who screaming "waaa, waaa, spies... waaa, waaa, unfair fights" Hope that will helps.
Xenny Lee Minmatar The Splinter Syndicate SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.22 07:17:00 - [200] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: VonKaplanek III In the 30 or so ASCN BS losses, we will get majority back because thet happened in teh node crash. We've been fighting alongside node crashes for nearly 2 months now and yet you guys STILL whine about us jumping in. Get over it. Try and realise that SOMETIMES jumping IN (instead of being cowards and camping a gate) might actually be to you advantage I don't want to get into this whole forum war... but like to point out one thing in response to this..... and Im quotting CAD "Its not the responsibility of the defender to leave an objective unguarded just so his opponent can suck less" Not saying Bob sucks far from it, but gate camping is a legit strat... I even heard you guys had some preety good 23/7 coverage going if the need arised, but in a fight where moral and killboards seem to matter more then holding strategic points why would you want to jump into somebody elses fleet less ya planned on assaulting a system?
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.22 09:21:00 - [201] Originally by: Lorac Caladon Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Lorac Caladon My bad...please link me to the post from any ASCN member that mimic the BOB "PRIVATE" forum's. Hey, just because thereÆs nothing to mimic or that ASCN is not as good at spying as BoB does not mean that it does not happen or that ASCN does not try. ASCN diplomat said it himself and it also states that ASCN had spies in BoB before the war even started. How do you explain that? Hypocrisy at itÆs best once again. Because I can. Thanks MD :-> ISK is already escrowed ;-) Your definition of cheating is pretty dumb, so espionage in rl war's is cheating and shouldn't be done becasue it isn't fair? It's an integrel part of warfare and cyvok mentioned agessss ago that he had spies in bob to report when we would advance on them, as they had in d2 also apparently so, um, double standards 4tw? Ts spies are more of a laugh tbh, like the ctrl q incident, they have very little bearing on an actual battle, what would he do, say whos the primary target. Moose t is primary, oops no dead, captain cat primary, oops no dead, it just wouldnt work in time . Like ET said, good commanders win battle's How exactly did you come to earn the space your currently inhabit? BoB lite let them keep it when they surrendered to us and stabbed Xetic between the shoulderblades.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.22 09:34:00 - [202] I agree 100% with that Evil Thug guy, whoever he might be. ASCN does not have an industrial backbone. BOB has an industrial backbone but from how this conflict looks right now ASCN has a carebear backbone of selfish soloplayers. That added with a critical mass has allowed them to build some pretty impressive things but under pressure they are folding. What a huge letdown of what could have been an epic fight to look at. :(
Ria Sotori Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.22 15:08:00 - [203] I think I finally figured all this load of horse ** out!! ASCN isnt mad at us because of forum spying.... There mad because there spies cant find anything on the Bob or member corp forums that is even remotely as ignorant, laughable, or bold faced lying with which to counter the posted materials gleaned from there own. Im sorry dear members of the ASCN community that our leaders dont need to lie to us. Im sorry that our leaders dont go off on delusional headshot macro, GM intervention, Node crash generator lies to cover there own inadaquacies but the fact is they dont need to. They tell it like it is. Then the big boys and girls in Bob absorb and process and move on. All this arguing over what is cheating or fair in war boils down to the following directly from the eve website: Quote: When players band together to form factions and alliances, the game progresses to a more grand-scale strategic level. Political intrigue, corporate espionage and the very essence of Darwinism bring dimension and depth to the game as the struggle for fame and fortune ebbs and flows with each new day in EVE. And since you folks love quoting dictionarys let me give you the following: Quote: espionage** Practice of obtaining military, political, commercial, or other secret information by means of spies or illegal monitoring devices. It is sometimes distinguished from the broader category of intelligence gathering by its aggressive nature and its illegality. Counterespionage efforts are directed at detecting and thwarting espionage by others. So..... Eve says espionage is part of the vision and gameplay of Eve.... the definition of espionage says its the practice of obtaining military, political, commercial, or other secret information by means of spies or illegal monitoring devices. As part of being a spy you are given access to certain third party areas (forums and TS/Ventrilo Servers). And the issue is you want to whine when a spy does there job ? Nrxt time I suggest you read the game materials before you pick an item to whine about.
ElweSingollo Starlancers	Posted - 2006.11.22 15:37:00 - [204] Originally by: Ituralde ASCN could have the most amazing kill/loss ratio in EVE against BOB but they still would be losing. Battles are won by they who hold the field at the end. Territorial Wars are won by they who hold the space in question at the end. Wars in general are won by they who survive the war and come out on top. Kill/loss ratios factor into this nowhere. The telling factor is a Paragon Soul with BOB's name on it. Myself, I did not think such an utter loss to be possible. Losing an ENTIRE REGION in what, 4 weeks? I have heard stories of spineless fleet command, poor alliance management, terrible strategic decisions, but frankly, I don't know what to beleive. The loss of Paragon Soul seems to indicate that Bob's take on the deal is accurate but the forums seem awfully one-sided in their favor. So, in the interests of a more balanced perspective, I would like to ask the ASCN membership a few questions. 1. Is there a ship replacement program for ships lost in fleet engagements? If so, could you explain how it works? 2. Is there some sort of plan everyone knows for how your alliance plans to defeat BOB? 3. This one is also a question for BoB, are there ever BoB fleets that stay in one spot in a battleground system (one with a fleet present from each side) for 20 minutes or more at a time? 4. Is the average ASCN member decently wealthy and are they easily able to make a significant amount of money in a short period of time? 5. What does the average ASCN member think the reason is their alliance lost Paragon Soul? What is the High Command's opinion? 6. Do you consider your Fleet Commanders to be agressive? Too Agressive? Not agressive enough? Explain your reasoning too. I would say these are honest questions, easily answerable ones I should assume. Not intended as a flame, I just see a lot of BoB threads that devolve into flame wars, but really I don't get a balanced average ASCN perspective on the matter, such things are really hard to get from the flaming tossed between the various sides. If these questions seem like a flame, I might advise that you look inside your alliance and ask yourselves why. Ive always had a soft spot for ASCN, I thought the mass outpost construction was pretty sweet, it makes my carebear side smile. So, if I could understand a little bit of their end I would really appreciate it. No alliance in EVE should die as fast as it appears ASCN might. Right did you see how long it took ASCN to take it over from the previous holding alliance and where is that alliance now? From what I recall it was about a week. As to this thread it's funny I posted in a Fitz'eh thread last night saying how good it was to see that two sides (mostly) were having fun in a battle and congratulating each other on it and more so doing it in good grace now we get this crap again from the OP which is nothing more than flamebait tbfh.
Lorac Caladon Caldari The Cowboy Junkies	Posted - 2006.11.22 15:56:00 - [205] Originally by: Fist'of God Edited by: Fist''of God on 22/11/2006 06:17:52 Originally by: Lorac Caladon Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Lorac Caladon Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Lorac Caladon I don't think anyone denies that you control the region NOW. I just think that most people believe you could not control the region NOW if you did not cheat. Ok smart arse, let's have it then, where's the proof of us cheating that you are obviously sat on? Do BOB members have ASCN TS &/or Forum access? Where is your proof that we are cheating? It's in the ôyes or noö question that you are evading. BTW, I base my definition of cheating on the dictionary.com definition. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cheating You shouldnt answer a question with a question. It is bad manners.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.22 16:04:00 - [206] Originally by: Lorac Caladon Edited by: Lorac Caladon on 22/11/2006 16:02:12 Originally by: Fist'of God Edited by: Fist''of God on 22/11/2006 06:17:52 Originally by: Lorac Caladon Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Lorac Caladon Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Lorac Caladon I don't think anyone denies that you control the region NOW. I just think that most people believe you could not control the region NOW if you did not cheat. Ok smart arse, let's have it then, where's the proof of us cheating that you are obviously sat on? Do BOB members have ASCN TS &/or Forum access? Where is your proof that we are cheating? It's in the ôyes or noö question that you are evading. BTW, I base my definition of cheating on the dictionary.com definition. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cheating You shouldnt answer a question with a question. It is bad manners. Did you notice that I was responding to the fact that my question was answered with a question? BL may not let you join the club if you keep pointing out his lack of manners... I see you haven't developed any logical thought processes or observational skills since lastnight then? Blog
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.22 16:05:00 - [207] Lorac if you feel that BoB is cheating then raise a petition, if the GM's agree with you then maybe Paragon Soul will be returned to ASCN.
Lorac Caladon Caldari The Cowboy Junkies	Posted - 2006.11.22 16:06:00 - [208] Originally by: fire 59 Originally by: Lorac Caladon Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Lorac Caladon My bad...please link me to the post from any ASCN member that mimic the BOB "PRIVATE" forum's. Hey, just because thereÆs nothing to mimic or that ASCN is not as good at spying as BoB does not mean that it does not happen or that ASCN does not try. ASCN diplomat said it himself and it also states that ASCN had spies in BoB before the war even started. How do you explain that? Hypocrisy at itÆs best once again. Because I can. Thanks MD :-> ISK is already escrowed ;-) Your definition of cheating is pretty dumb, so espionage in rl war's is cheating and shouldn't be done becasue it isn't fair? It's an integrel part of warfare and cyvok mentioned agessss ago that he had spies in bob to report when we would advance on them, as they had in d2 also apparently so, um, double standards 4tw? Ts spies are more of a laugh tbh, like the ctrl q incident, they have very little bearing on an actual battle, what would he do, say whos the primary target. Moose t is primary, oops no dead, captain cat primary, oops no dead, it just wouldnt work in time . Like ET said, good commanders win battle's Not my definition friend, Merriam-Webster's. If you don't like it, take it up with them. After all, they wrote the book
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.22 16:06:00 - [209] Originally by: Hans Roaming Lorac if you feel that BoB is cheating then raise a petition, if the GM's agree with you then maybe Paragon Soul will be returned to ASCN. Don't discourage him please Hans, this one's a comedian we'd like to keep him Blog
Lorac Caladon Caldari The Cowboy Junkies	Posted - 2006.11.22 16:09:00 - [210] Originally by: Hans Roaming Lorac if you feel that BoB is cheating then raise a petition, if the GM's agree with you then maybe Paragon Soul will be returned to ASCN. Quick question, do you think that BOB gained access to the ASCN TS and forum by using deceit?
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.22 16:09:00 - [211] Originally by: Lorac Caladon Not my definition friend, Merriam-Webster's. If you don't like it, take it up with them. After all, they wrote the book And when CCP say "it is part of the game", your dictionaries just became non-applicable. Unlucky.
Lorac Caladon Caldari The Cowboy Junkies	Posted - 2006.11.22 16:11:00 - [212] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Lorac Caladon Edited by: Lorac Caladon on 22/11/2006 16:02:12 Originally by: Fist'of God Edited by: Fist''of God on 22/11/2006 06:17:52 Originally by: Lorac Caladon Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Lorac Caladon Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Lorac Caladon I don't think anyone denies that you control the region NOW. I just think that most people believe you could not control the region NOW if you did not cheat. Ok smart arse, let's have it then, where's the proof of us cheating that you are obviously sat on? Do BOB members have ASCN TS &/or Forum access? Where is your proof that we are cheating? It's in the ôyes or noö question that you are evading. BTW, I base my definition of cheating on the dictionary.com definition. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cheating You shouldnt answer a question with a question. It is bad manners. Did you notice that I was responding to the fact that my question was answered with a question? BL may not let you join the club if you keep pointing out his lack of manners... I see you haven't developed any logical thought processes or observational skills since lastnight then? No need to get nasty. I was pointing out the obvious.
Lorac Caladon Caldari The Cowboy Junkies	Posted - 2006.11.22 16:12:00 - [213] Originally by: Ria Sotori I think I finally figured all this load of horse ** out!! ASCN isnt mad at us because of forum spying.... There mad because there spies cant find anything on the Bob or member corp forums that is even remotely as ignorant, laughable, or bold faced lying with which to counter the posted materials gleaned from there own. Im sorry dear members of the ASCN community that our leaders dont need to lie to us. Im sorry that our leaders dont go off on delusional headshot macro, GM intervention, Node crash generator lies to cover there own inadaquacies but the fact is they dont need to. They tell it like it is. Then the big boys and girls in Bob absorb and process and move on. All this arguing over what is cheating or fair in war boils down to the following directly from the eve website: Quote: When players band together to form factions and alliances, the game progresses to a more grand-scale strategic level. Political intrigue, corporate espionage and the very essence of Darwinism bring dimension and depth to the game as the struggle for fame and fortune ebbs and flows with each new day in EVE. And since you folks love quoting dictionarys let me give you the following: Quote: espionage** Practice of obtaining military, political, commercial, or other secret information by means of spies or illegal monitoring devices. It is sometimes distinguished from the broader category of intelligence gathering by its aggressive nature and its illegality. Counterespionage efforts are directed at detecting and thwarting espionage by others. So..... Eve says espionage is part of the vision and gameplay of Eve.... the definition of espionage says its the practice of obtaining military, political, commercial, or other secret information by means of spies or illegal monitoring devices. As part of being a spy you are given access to certain third party areas (forums and TS/Ventrilo Servers). And the issue is you want to whine when a spy does there job ? Nrxt time I suggest you read the game materials before you pick an item to whine about. Whoa. Slow down a bit there Rita. YouÆll have a meltdown if you keep getting all worked about a game like that. Anywayàthe jab I took at BOB was meant to be light-hearted and referenced an acknowledged tactic that you employ (spying on ASCN TS and forums). Now, since you have to ôdeceive by trickeryö to gain access to these resources, you do, in fact, cheat. I never said it was anything that would cause a BOB member to get banned, booted, chastised by authority (etcà) for. All the ranting in the world about how BOB are all big boys and girls means nothing when confronted with facts. BOB cheats. Does every other alliance in the game (including ASCN) do the same? Probably. Again, that does not change the fact that you do it. Now, to the little oneÆs rambling about RL spies etc, get a clue.
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.22 16:22:00 - [214] whaaa whaaa whaaa, we lost a region, it must be the spies!
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.22 16:29:00 - [215] Originally by: Lorac Caladon Anywayàthe jab I took at BOB was meant to be light-hearted and referenced an acknowledged tactic that you employ (spying on ASCN TS and forums). Now, since you have to ôdeceive by trickeryö to gain access to these resources, you do, in fact, cheat. I never said it was anything that would cause a BOB member to get banned, booted, chastised by authority (etcà) for. All the ranting in the world about how BOB are all big boys and girls means nothing when confronted with facts. BOB cheats. Does every other alliance in the game (including ASCN) do the same? Probably. Again, that does not change the fact that you do it. How do you think ASCN got access to BoB's forums? Do you think they informed BoB that they are an ASCN member? And if ASCN 'cheats', why are you not also flaming them for it? Like I told you before. You are a hypocrite. The truth will set you free
Brian Detaah Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.11.22 16:39:00 - [216] Its one thing to quote a dictionary, appearantly its harder to understand it. You see, if you say that BoB cheats in the meaning that you just "cheated" in a guy in a deal ei. 10 isk for a BS, then yes, by the means of our "OMGZCLOAKZANDDADAGGERZ" wing we have cheated the counterspies at ASCN. Cheating is here a synonym for Tricking or outsmarting. But when you use the word "cheat" in a game, it means breaking the rules of the game. Now when you say we cheat in a game it means just that, and since the judge of this game says "not cheating" then you are wrong. ------------------------------------------------ `When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.' `The question is,' said Alice, `whether you can make words mean so many different things.' `The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, `which is to be master - - that's all.'
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.22 16:43:00 - [217] Originally by: Lorac Caladon Originally by: Hans Roaming Lorac if you feel that BoB is cheating then raise a petition, if the GM's agree with you then maybe Paragon Soul will be returned to ASCN. Quick question, do you think that BOB gained access to the ASCN TS and forum by using deceit? wow, Spies are the new lame node hax. Anyway, I gained access to the ASCN TS and forum from a friend granting me access to the ASCN TS and forum. I didn't decieve him, I told him exactly what we were going to do... debunk any lies that his leaders post there. So was there a point to your pointless point? dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Weebear Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.22 16:54:00 - [218] Originally by: DB Preacher Anyway, I gained access to the ASCN TS and forum from a friend granting me access to the ASCN TS and forum. I didn't decieve him, I told him exactly what we were going to do... debunk any lies that his leaders post there. dbp TS I can believe, as my gran sometimes jumps on that thinking it's a radio station broadcasting to the world, but not the forum access. There are only around 4 people who can actually grant access, and for some reason I don't see John and Cyvok as being your friend and giving you access to debunk them. PS Haven't heard from you in a bit
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.22 16:57:00 - [219] Being granted access to forums does not neccessarily mean I was given a brand new account. He granted me access to the forums through his account ;) And yes, I have been quiet because Molle hasn't managed to do anything new afaik. I could send EVERY single thing he does but you'd prolly get bored of me evemailing everything :P Should be another update after the weekend ;) dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.22 17:30:00 - [220] Edited by: Hans Roaming on 22/11/2006 17:30:33 Originally by: Lorac Caladon Originally by: Hans Roaming Lorac if you feel that BoB is cheating then raise a petition, if the GM's agree with you then maybe Paragon Soul will be returned to ASCN. Quick question, do you think that BOB gained access to the ASCN TS and forum by using deceit? If you mean to ask did they request access and declare they were ASCN's enemy then of course they didn't. Now you could say this is cheating. In some games like lying and backstabbing etc are part of the game. So really one has to ask is espionage part of the game called EVE that BoB and ASCN are playing? By looking through the player guide, specifically the corporation guide you'll find this paragraph: Quote: Spying on a corporation Spying, scheming, double-dealing, and espionage are devilishly delicious features of EVE for those who relish walking on the dark side. Corporation leaders are urged to exercise extreme caution when accepting new members, particularly when granting access to their private communications and corporate holdings. There are criminal elements in EVE who can, and will, take advantage of unsuspecting marks. So I guess that answers the question that espinage against another group in EVE is part of the game and that BoB in fact do not cheat and neither does ASCN when it employs spying back to find out what BoB is doing. Therefore in fact BoB did not take Paragon Soul by cheating so it must be down to something else and ASCN would be wise to focus on closing that gap.
Farham Gallente AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.22 17:41:00 - [221] I don't understand why anyone would be upset that out of game, beyond CCP's ability to comment on, spying is being done. I for one am flattered as hell that such a proud and competent PvP force feels the need to use TS spies to help beat us.
dicequeen	Posted - 2006.11.22 17:48:00 - [222] Originally by: Farham I don't understand why anyone would be upset that out of game, beyond CCP's ability to comment on, spying is being done. I for one am flattered as hell that such a proud and competent PvP force feels the need to use TS spies to help beat us. Apparently they only need TS to go spank you when you decide to start something...
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 08:36:00 - [223] Originally by: Farham I don't understand why anyone would be upset that out of game, beyond CCP's ability to comment on, spying is being done. I for one am flattered as hell that such a proud and competent PvP force feels the need to use TS spies to help beat us. Ts spies do not win battle's mate, good fc's and tactic's and hot co ops pilots do How exactly did you come to earn the space your currently inhabit? BoB lite let them keep it when they surrendered to us and stabbed Xetic between the shoulderblades.
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.23 08:46:00 - [224] those threads get quiet boring BoB: We WIN OMFGWTFBBQED !!!111!!!eleven ASCN: U Win cause have spizors and haxxors and ur GMs too BOB: Evidence ASCN: When i was in Bandcamp... BOB: Evidence ASCN: But Bandcamp was... bla bla bla Stop making an excuse and stand up
thoth foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.11.23 10:38:00 - [225] Edited by: thoth foc on 23/11/2006 10:38:49 Originally by: Lorac Caladon Not my definition friend, Merriam-Webster's. If you don't like it, take it up with them. After all, they wrote the book It's always your definition, since it's you interrupting it.. They have stated many options and opinions, how you understand and apply them is completely up to you.. Some ppl will read them and think "OMG their cheating!!" others will think "how does this apply in this situation" CCP have stated, "it doesnt" CCP > u >: )
PSA1SWIPE Caldari adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.23 20:58:00 - [226] Lol Ascnd whole arguent for ps is cause bob used "spys". bob has alawyas done this they alawyas will and unless its agianst the rules, i dont see why they or any one else who does it should stop. imformation its the new ***** best high ever thats how things are done. comon ascnd your telling me you never used a scout or covert ops to gain the upper hand same thing. I like bunny wabbits
Revelatia Clandestia	Posted - 2006.11.23 23:36:00 - [227] Originally by: PSA1SWIPE Lol Ascnd whole arguent for ps is cause bob used "spys". . Not quite true, some of us realise that they are beating us through superior training, tactics and firepower, amongst other things.
eleuthereus Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 23:51:00 - [228] Guys, guys, guys, guys PLZ!!!!! - Spies are PART of this game (see http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g12.asp). It is not a cheat - it is war. - Spies have always been an integral part of warfare (read any history book). In RL and in the Virtual World. - Spies can most certainly turn SOME battles/skirmishes around in favor of the side that has the best and most effective spies (refer to any number of ASCN vs BoB engagements). This is a tactic well within the bounds of fair play, IMHO. Deal with it. - Spies have a limited role, they cannot, and do not, and never will, be singlehandedly responsible for a war's outcome. Or, in the case of Eve, a fleet disaster or the loss of several systems/stations. Now, those are the facts, plain and simple. So, please, button-up the anti-spy rambling. I rarely post here, but really, I had to say something on this issue. eleuthereus
Sorja E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.11.24 01:08:00 - [229] Paragon Soul is gone? So maybe the war can start now... When BoB controls AZN, nobody will probably put bets on ASCN anymore. But AZN is firmly under ASCN control and by the looks of it they are getting better and even beating the crap out of BoB which never happened before AFAIK. From what DBP posted, BoB had never lost so much in a single day to ASCN so far. Things are now getting interesting. If AZN lasts past Revelations, I'm not sure the will to fight will remain intact for BoB. If AZN falls fast, the ASCN name might as well be removed from the alliances rooster. Time is running in favor of ASCN, it's quite surprizing BoB didn't conquer faster TBH. Too bad Revelations doesn't introduce a bookmaker mini-profession, I'd like to know how the odds are running. BoB peons blindlessly follow their high charisma leaders, but what about the others, even outside ASCN, is BoB 10:1, 2:1 or even maybe 1:2 or higher? This war won't be won with fleet battles (where BoB can be rated 20:1), but with patience (where ASCN is rated 20:1), hence the BoB leaders posts, they know they need more pressure than only from the battlefield. Will that be enough? ____________________ A gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipe, but who does not.
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.24 01:15:00 - [230] lorac, so they use ts spies, so they use forum spies, so ***** what? its beyond fact there is no point in *ing on it, if it were against game rules actions would have been taken, deal with it we do(for the most part) Originally by:** Pinky Denmark Caldari have other options like using rails or train for other ships/weapons...
Eskalin Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.24 01:22:00 - [231] i enjoy frolicing in the mercoxite of 0-N
James Britanicus Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.24 02:14:00 - [232] You know, I read, and read, and read, this and many very similar, errily silimar, threads about this war. But in all of this fighting I have learned several things. I will share a couple with you, 1) I could go back through this and other threads and show dozens of names, some ascn but mostly BoB who post here but not on the killboards with either kills or loses. So I guess they would define forum whores. So if you not on a kill board of any sort please stfu you embarress yourself and which ever alliance your tag says you belong to. 2) That I really suck in pvp. I have lost so much that I consider myself stupid. I realized that when I lost my eos to a trap that was perfectly executed the other day. In fact I knew it was a trap and still screwed myself over. But that is not the only thing I realized, You know what the real lesson was??? It and totally truthfully is that BoB has about 30 competant PVPers. These guys are awesome, Spartaco you **** amaze me man. I don't mind loosing ships to you cause you truely are a gifted PvPer. But it looks like you have a few lessons to learn as well. 1) You don't have any idea what infastructure it takes to control 3 regions, Dice you seem proud to own 3 stations. Good luck keeping them running. It takes Billions to run 1 station nevermind 3. Why you think we never set up a few more in south feyth. And don't say cause you couldn't. 2) Once everyone else in eve realizes that you only have like 30 strong PvPers they will start to cut your regions open a bit at a time. Like dieing from a thousand paper cuts. Don't think it can't happen. This is what happened to ASCN in the weeks and months leading up to this war we have been fighting nearly every baddie in eve, Toxin, AAA, D2, etc. They come like wolfs to the scent. Don't think it won't happen to you cause it will. You are way over your heads logistically and too spread out. ASCN is in it's comfort zone now. We are in the regions that we have been in for about 18 months. To those 30 good PvPer's - Thanks - although sometimes when I lose I shut down the computer for a few hours at least I still come to the fight, And I will keep coming to the fight until this is resolved. To most of you - Much respect - Even you DICE guys have backed off the smack and made this a more pleasent experience. Thanks ************************************************************** He thinks he is Uber, if you don't believe me, just ask him :)
ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.24 03:01:00 - [233] Originally by: James Britanicus 1) You don't have any idea what infastructure it takes to control 3 regions, Dice you seem proud to own 3 stations. Good luck keeping them running. It takes Billions to run 1 station nevermind 3. Why you think we never set up a few more in south feyth. And don't say cause you couldn't. 2) Once everyone else in eve realizes that you only have like 30 strong PvPers they will start to cut your regions open a bit at a time. Like dieing from a thousand paper cuts. Don't think it can't happen. This is what happened to ASCN in the weeks and months leading up to this war we have been fighting nearly every baddie in eve, Toxin, AAA, D2, etc. They come like wolfs to the scent. Don't think it won't happen to you cause it will. You are way over your heads logistically and too spread out. ASCN is in it's comfort zone now. We are in the regions that we have been in for about 18 months. Assumption is the mother of all feck ups. You say we have no idea of the logistics involved in running 3 regions, when we were already running 3 regions AND pressing a war.. AND building a titan from scratch (not hauling half of it in from empire). I fully understand you have no doubt bought in to Cyvoks kool -aid about ASCN being an industrial powerhouse, but the fact of the matter is we have controlled all fronts of this war. PVP, PR, Logistics, Cap Ships, etc. So thank you for stating your opinion, based on assumptions, which have no basis other then a misguided notion that building outposts is hard. As for the papercut theory.. Please we've been hearing that for 2 years now, and to be frank, noone really has the nutz to do it, no matter how much we insult them. [CLS] Bawldeux IV- start posting all kinds of crap about BoB members, insulting their families,friends,anything that will **** them off.
Kim Wu Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.24 03:10:00 - [234] Originally by: James Britanicus 1) You don't have any idea what infastructure it takes to control 3 regions, Dice you seem proud to own 3 stations. Good luck keeping them running. It takes Billions to run 1 station nevermind 3. Why you think we never set up a few more in south feyth. And don't say cause you couldn't. Nor do you, hence why you are down to 2 We run the 5 we have pretty easily and we [DICE] actually have 6 stations in 4 regions and we [BoB] own the most stations ingame. So don't even bother saying we don't have any idea. ----------------------------------
CamMan Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.24 03:14:00 - [235] Originally by: James Britanicus ...I have learned several things... ...totally truthfully is that BoB has about 30 competant PVPers ...You don't have any idea what infastructure it takes to control 3 regions... ...Dice you seem proud to own 3 stations. Good luck keeping them running. It takes Billions to run 1 station nevermind 3... hahahahaha, lol!!! I think you just learnt that you havent learnt anything. So for your sake i will clarify, BoB has controlled 3 regions for the better part of 2 years. And 4 regions over the last year, and we now have 5. Whilst still pressing the war forward into a 6th. BoB now has control of 20 stations, soon to be more, that is an average of 4 per corporation (not including TAOSP, sorry guys ). So what makes you think DICE cant control 4 stations, let alone 3? BoB only has 30 competent PvP'ers? nice to see 30 people taking ASCN space then :) Cheers Cam Originally by: Bender Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.11.24 03:50:00 - [236] Originally by: James Britanicus 1) You don't have any idea what infastructure it takes to control 3 regions, Dice you seem proud to own 3 stations. Good luck keeping them running. It takes Billions to run 1 station nevermind 3. Why you think we never set up a few more in south feyth. And don't say cause you couldn't. Not everyone needs to spam pos at every moon, to control station over extended period of time ------------------ Its great not being an Amarr, aint it? Save Tranquility!
Aman Sul Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.24 04:42:00 - [237] Originally by: James Britanicus Dice you seem proud to own 3 stations DICE doesn't own anything other than the headache of setting standings everytime someone want's to dock. They areall BOB owned. "Let them hate us as long as they fear us"
James Britanicus Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.24 04:54:00 - [238] Edited by: James Britanicus on 24/11/2006 04:56:31 Just what I was saying. The 4 BoB responding to my post I have not seen at all. I have been at all the major engagements and fought dozens of times and yet I don't recall any of your names. I have not had the occasion to add you to my address book. Come fight like your mates do then you can have some right to sit here and preach. As I said it is the same 30-odd guys that deserve respect. Forum warriors 4tl **************************************************************** He thinks he is Uber, if you don't believe me, just ask him :)
Afonso Henriques Minmatar Low Grade Ore The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.11.24 05:00:00 - [239] Originally by: James Britanicus Edited by: James Britanicus on 24/11/2006 04:56:31 Just what I was saying. The 4 BoB responding to my post I have not seen at all. I have been at all the major engagements and fought dozens of times and yet I don't recall any of your names. I have not had the occasion to add you to my address book. Come fight like your mates do then you can have some right to sit here and preach. As I said it is the same 30-odd guys that deserve respect. Forum warriors 4tl Do yourself a favor and look them up on BOB's killboard. p.s. do you noobs actually add all of bob memebrs to your addy? If so, no wonder you login slower.
ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.24 05:01:00 - [240] Originally by: James Britanicus Just what I was saying. The 4 BoB responding to my post I have not seen at all. I have been at all the major engagements and fought dozens of times and yet I don't recall any of your names. Come fight like your mates do then you can have some right to sit here and preach. Otherwise just stfu. Forum whores 4tl No you wouldn't have seen me. See I fly a ship called a Dreadnaught. THose are big capital ships used for attacking POS's. You may have seen some ASCN ones sitting outside the station in AZN in dock range at one point if you are unfamiliar with the ship type. Now, most alliances know what these ships are and mount something called a "DEFENSE" when enemy ones come in system. I can understand your confusion seeing as that's not a tactic ASCN seems to be able to grasp as of yet. If you have any other evidence of your stupidity... er I mean.... questions, please feel free to respond. [CLS] Bawldeux IV- start posting all kinds of crap about BoB members, insulting their families,friends,anything that will *** them off.
Red Six Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.24 05:06:00 - [241] 1) Time zones - Not everyone is in the same one. Checking the pilots in question and you'll see that some took part in the fight in AZN last weekend. With 300+ in system you didn't see them? Funny I don't remember see you there either. 2) More than one character - Depending on what we need BoB pilots will bring different characters to the engagement. It may simply be the player has brought a pilot to the fight you don't recognize as belonging to the person who responded to you. I made that mistake earlier in this conflict. Originally by: Eridu Fallen Upon closer inspection, that Caldari BS doesn't even look like it got hit with the ugly stick, it looks like it is the ugly stick.
Brunswick2 eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.24 05:13:00 - [242] Please... Do not feed the trolls --------------------------------- I traded your sig for a cookie, I did it for the cookie, the cookie - Tirg
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.24 07:02:00 - [243] My goodness but that Titan is rubbish.... All those wasted man hours! .... or not! Blog
heidrun Caelli-Merced	Posted - 2006.11.24 08:31:00 - [244] p.s. do you noobs actually add all of bob memebrs to your addy? If so, no wonder you login slower. qft
UGWidowmaker Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:15:00 - [245] GJ bob.. now take the rest they own ? I will make your wife/mann a widow.
Anglo Minmatar Astral Mexicans	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:17:00 - [246] Originally by: James Britanicus Edited by: James Britanicus on 24/11/2006 04:56:31 Just what I was saying. The 4 BoB responding to my post I have not seen at all. I have been at all the major engagements and fought dozens of times and yet I don't recall any of your names. I have not had the occasion to add you to my address book. Come fight like your mates do then you can have some right to sit here and preach. As I said it is the same 30-odd guys that deserve respect. Forum warriors 4tl ` so what you are saying is that 30 bob owns the entire ascn ? LMAO.
Riddlock Minmatar Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:19:00 - [247] Hes trying to say that in his time zone there is a core of 30 bobs who are fighting all day long :) .
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:37:00 - [248] Originally by: Riddlock Hes trying to say that in his time zone there is a core of 30 bobs who are fighting all day long :) . we call that the mums basement squad
Riddlock Minmatar Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.24 14:59:00 - [249] Wonder if is a good or a bad thing
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.24 15:02:00 - [250] Edited by: Hans Roaming on 24/11/2006 15:02:40 Originally by: Hast Originally by: Riddlock Hes trying to say that in his time zone there is a core of 30 bobs who are fighting all day long :) . we call that the mums basement squad Fear the squad!.
James Britanicus Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.24 15:07:00 - [251] Originally by: heidrun p.s. do you noobs actually add all of bob memebrs to your addy? If so, no wonder you login slower. qft Like has been mentioned here several times. More then one account = 4tw I have a separate acount that has all BoB's that I have personally fought or I have seen logoffski in ascn space addressed so I know when they come on particullarly the logofski's btw 2 clients and 2 monitors so it doesn't interfere. Oh, and you only fly a dread??? wtf. I have more then one ship. if your a little short on isk I can spare you some. My Crow BPO is doing very good atm. :):) BTW you dumb MoherFukers I was complimenting everyone who actually plays the game and dissing the forum warriors. I have enjoyed the last 3 months for the most part. The only times I don't enjoy are when I screw up and lose a ship. I don't mind being beaten and that has happened alot lately :) ut I would rather be beaten by one of the 30 or so guys who play and play well rather then being overwhelmed and beaten by a batch of you know it all forum whoing puies. BTW the battle for PS took over 2 months to date and not comepletely over yet. All the info I had about regions and outposts was taken from this thread as I really don't have the time to research BoB, BoB lite and all the Bobbitses and what not. I used the info that was presented here and if that was not accurate I would be absolutely amazed. Cause you guys have been absolutely nothing but honest, forthright and open in your forum threads. (sarcasm 101) I really don't harbour any bad feeling about the pilots who are fighting but for those ones that fel it is ok to sit back here and shoot their mouths off while doing very little fighting. And parking a dread infront of a pos and shooting it while in absolutly no danger is not fighting. I have more respect for some of BoB (Including DICE) now then I did before but I have much less for most of you. Brit *************************************************************** He thinks he is Uber, if you don't believe me, just ask him :)
Afonso Henriques Minmatar Low Grade Ore The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.11.24 15:10:00 - [252] Originally by: James Britanicus And parking a dread infront of a pos and shooting it while in absolutly no danger is not fighting. Which leaves me to belive you have only your 4000 man alliance to blame for that. Further proof can be seen on this mornings edition of bob's kb.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.24 15:17:00 - [253] Originally by: James Britanicus Originally by: heidrun p.s. do you noobs actually add all of bob memebrs to your addy? If so, no wonder you login slower. qft Like has been mentioned here several times. More then one account = 4tw I have a separate acount that has all BoB's that I have personally fought or I have seen logoffski in ascn space addressed so I know when they come on particullarly the logofski's btw 2 clients and 2 monitors so it doesn't interfere. Oh, and you only fly a dread??? wtf. I have more then one ship. if your a little short on isk I can spare you some. My Crow BPO is doing very good atm. :):) BTW you dumb MoherFukers I was complimenting everyone who actually plays the game and dissing the forum warriors. I have enjoyed the last 3 months for the most part. The only times I don't enjoy are when I screw up and lose a ship. I don't mind being beaten and that has happened alot lately :) ut I would rather be beaten by one of the 30 or so guys who play and play well rather then being overwhelmed and beaten by a batch of you know it all forum whoing pu*ies. BTW the battle for PS took over 2 months to date and not comepletely over yet. All the info I had about regions and outposts was taken from this thread as I really don't have the time to research BoB, BoB lite and all the Bobbitses and what not. I used the info that was presented here and if that was not accurate I would be absolutely amazed. Cause you guys have been absolutely nothing but honest, forthright and open in your forum threads. (sarcasm 101) I really don't harbour any bad feeling about the pilots who are fighting but for those ones that fel it is ok to sit back here and shoot their mouths off while doing very little fighting. And parking a dread infront of a pos and shooting it while in absolutly no danger is not fighting. I have more respect for some of BoB (Including DICE) now then I did before but I have much less for most of you. Brit Mate, i don't think he only own's a dread pilot, you were talking about the forum char and he answered. I personally have been in pretty much every battle so far and i don't particually recognise you either tbh. Just becasue yuo don't recognise the alt's doesnt mean they are not there. we all pull our weight, simple as that How exactly did you come to earn the space your currently inhabit? BoB lite let them keep it when they surrendered to us and stabbed Xetic between the shoulderblades.
Kim Wu Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.24 15:23:00 - [254] Originally by: James Britanicus Edited by: James Britanicus on 24/11/2006 04:56:31 Just what I was saying. The 4 BoB responding to my post I have not seen at all. I have been at all the major engagements and fought dozens of times and yet I don't recall any of your names. I have not had the occasion to add you to my address book. Come fight like your mates do then you can have some right to sit here and preach. As I said it is the same 30-odd guys that deserve respect. Forum warriors 4tl If only you knew ----------------------------------
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.24 15:27:00 - [255] Originally by: James Britanicus Stuff.... About whether you recognise characters or not.... Normally people's forum character will be their oldest (i.e. their 'main'). However, for people who've been playing for a long time, and who have alts, the main will generally be flying things like dreads and carriers, while their 'younger' characters will be the ones seen in fleet battles. Clones are bloody expensive at high SP, so naturally it makes sense not to expose high-SP characters to frequent pod-killings. This is the most likely reason why a lot of people can't connect the people posting in here with the people on the battlefield. My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.24 15:31:00 - [256] Edited by: DB Preacher on 24/11/2006 15:32:42 Originally by: James Britanicus BTW you dumb MoherFukers I was complimenting everyone who actually plays the game and dissing the forum warriors. I have enjoyed the last 3 months for the most part. The only times I don't enjoy are when I screw up and lose a ship. I don't mind being beaten and that has happened alot lately :) ut I would rather be beaten by one of the 30 or so guys who play and play well rather then being overwhelmed and beaten by a batch of you know it all forum whoing puies. Hello James, Every member of BoB participates in a different way, with different timescales and different playing times. You just dissed one of the BoB directors who has been part of our core group from the very beginning of BoB and who has participated alot in this war. I think you should perhaps look inwards to ASCN numbers and start wondering why you don't have the numbers we do around the clock before accusing us all of being rude names. Amusingly, CYVOK's made some comments recently about ASCN being a community of friends and BoB playing the game in a meaningless fashion, only concerned about winning. I think he had it wrong. Every member of BoB is here to fight for BoB and more importantly, for his friend at his shoulder. I don't think every member of ASCN can stand up and say the same thing, do you? Before you come on here and attack our alliance members, take a good look at your own. How many of them are happy enough to sit and talk on your forums without participating ingame AT ALL? dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner* Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Cyleth Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.24 16:45:00 - [257] Originally by: James Britanicus I have been at all the major engagements and fought dozens of times and yet I don't recall any of your names. James Britanicus - participated in 15 kills during the war and died 16 times. You were last time seen on 4 killmails on 22nd of november and before that 9th of november. You sir are hyper active. Originally by: James Britanicus Forum warriors 4tl You go girl! -- Nobody stays behind
eleuthereus Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.24 17:01:00 - [258] Personal attacks against players with absolutely no evidence for such attacks -- e.g., a person has no life, a pilot does not care about his fellow pilots, people are sharing accounts, etc. etc. etc. -- is uncalled-for, IMHO. Let us simply continue in the battle as best we can, fighting for our homeland, supporting each other, and respecting any worthy adversaries. Also admitting defeat when defeated and rejoicing in victories when they belong to us. This is the way of the warrior with integrity. I admonish all ASCN pilots to avoid the pitfall of personal attacks in frustration, or assumptions about our enemies based on a natural desire to demonize those who have injured us -- i.e., to make them less than us, or not as good or human/humane than us. But I have no doubt that most pilots in any alliance will care about each other, their community, their losses, and their struggles - both in and out of the game. People, let's be mature, respectful, and honorable. eleuthereus
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.24 17:10:00 - [259] That's all very good and well eleuthereus but perhaps you should be saying it directly to your HC instead of here. Cheers, dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Ascend Alt Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.24 18:08:00 - [260] Edited by: Ascend Alt on 24/11/2006 18:09:20 ****it this forum software is rubbish
ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.24 18:32:00 - [261] Originally by: James Britanicus Oh, and you only fly a dread??? wtf. I have more then one ship. if your a little short on isk I can spare you some. My Crow BPO is doing very good atm. :):) Wow... a crow bpo. I'll alert the media of your pending takeover of the t2 market. ps lol [CLS] Bawldeux IV- start posting all kinds of crap about BoB members, insulting their families,friends,anything that will **** them off.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.24 18:37:00 - [262] I like my new sig. Originally by: CRYVOK Others, like BoB, they play the game in a meaningless fasition, concerned with nothing but winning. We care about our friends.
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.24 18:39:00 - [263] Originally by: James Britanicus Oh, and you only fly a dread??? wtf. I have more then one ship. if your a little short on isk I can spare you some. My Crow BPO is doing very good atm. :):) I'm kinda short of isk, can I have some?
slip66 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.24 18:53:00 - [264] Originally by: Lorac Caladon Originally by: Bobbeh Originally by: Lorac Caladon So NPC's are killing more BOB everyday than ASCN is in PS? Maybe you should try to inflitrate the NPC's TS and forum's. There is apparently no shame in having to cheat to beat a PC, why worry about cheating to avoid loses to NPC's? As L33T as BOB is, surely you can find a way... Those NPC's drop good loot. I don't think anyone denies that you control the region NOW. I just think that most people believe you could not control the region NOW if you did not cheat. you know when I was in CA I heard nothing but EVOL cheat bla bla... GM haxors all of them. Guess what neither did, its a myth people make up to explain how they just got owned. Originally by: StOrM ViPeR Theres a skill called surgical strike in game I've learned that it actually stands for Band of Brothers
slip66 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.24 18:56:00 - [265] Originally by: Afonso Henriques Edited by: Afonso Henriques on 24/11/2006 05:10:56 Originally by: James Britanicus Edited by: James Britanicus on 24/11/2006 04:56:31 Just what I was saying. The 4 BoB responding to my post I have not seen at all. I have been at all the major engagements and fought dozens of times and yet I don't recall any of your names. I have not had the occasion to add you to my address book. Come fight like your mates do then you can have some right to sit here and preach. As I said it is the same 30-odd guys that deserve respect. Forum warriors 4tl Do yourself a favor and look them up on BOB's killboard. p.s. do you noobs actually add all of bob memebrs to your addy? If so, no wonder you login slower. I might add, it is very funny how much ASCN fears DICE as they constantly need to mention them. lol was gonna say the exact same thing... lol buddy list must be stupidly long. Originally by: StOrM ViPeR Theres a skill called surgical strike in game I've learned that it actually stands for Band of Brothers
slip66 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.24 18:59:00 - [266] Originally by: Tzrailasa Originally by: James Britanicus Stuff.... About whether you recognise characters or not.... Normally people's forum character will be their oldest (i.e. their 'main'). However, for people who've been playing for a long time, and who have alts, the main will generally be flying things like dreads and carriers, while their 'younger' characters will be the ones seen in fleet battles. Clones are bloody expensive at high SP, so naturally it makes sense not to expose high-SP characters to frequent pod-killings. This is the most likely reason why a lot of people can't connect the people posting in here with the people on the battlefield. Shhhhh that makes too much sense!!!! Originally by: StOrM ViPeR Theres a skill called surgical strike in game I've learned that it actually stands for Band of Brothers
DoctorGonzo Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.24 19:59:00 - [267] Originally by: Dianabolic I like my new sig. I prefer mine Originally by: Blacklight I think Madeye and CRYVOK have delusion of adequacy!
Lag Fest CAPITAL TRUST FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.24 20:15:00 - [268] strange thing hit me while reading this thread, it wasn't my roomm8s rubber chicken like usual but rather strange theory. Gathering bits and piecs from ASCN answers i got the impresion that once Kali patch comes out ASCN will pick their stuff (whatever is left till than) and run for the new regions saying "We defeated BoB this was our plan all along". Strange.. but seriously i get that impression while reading ASCN answers.. _______________________________________
PSA1SWIPE Caldari adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.24 23:51:00 - [269] Originally by: slip66 Originally by: Lorac Caladon Originally by: Bobbeh Originally by: Lorac Caladon So NPC's are killing more BOB everyday than ASCN is in PS? Maybe you should try to inflitrate the NPC's TS and forum's. There is apparently no shame in having to cheat to beat a PC, why worry about cheating to avoid loses to NPC's? As L33T as BOB is, surely you can find a way... Those NPC's drop good loot. I don't think anyone denies that you control the region NOW. I just think that most people believe you could not control the region NOW if you did not cheat. you know when I was in CA I heard nothing but EVOL cheat bla bla... GM haxors all of them. Guess what neither did, its a myth people make up to explain how they just got owned. yeah sad to say but its true when i first fought evol though they was lame haxors cheaters gm alt all of that. turns out they just good at teamwork and knowing what works and why. I like bunny wabbits
Cmd Woodlouse Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.25 00:29:00 - [270] Originally by: DoctorGonzo Originally by: Dianabolic I like my new sig. I prefer mine no, mine pwns more tbh -------------------------------- Thats me in RL
James Britanicus Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.25 01:15:00 - [271] Originally by: slip66 Originally by: Tzrailasa Originally by: James Britanicus Stuff.... About whether you recognise characters or not.... Normally people's forum character will be their oldest (i.e. their 'main'). However, for people who've been playing for a long time, and who have alts, the main will generally be flying things like dreads and carriers, while their 'younger' characters will be the ones seen in fleet battles. Clones are bloody expensive at high SP, so naturally it makes sense not to expose high-SP characters to frequent pod-killings. This is the most likely reason why a lot of people can't connect the people posting in here with the people on the battlefield. Very Good Point. IN fact a lot of good points have been made. I just get a bit miffed when my words are twisted and contorted by individuals to try and flame. If you read the original point I was making it goes thusly: People on both sides of this war are posting imflamatory **e without showing their faces on the field. I am sick of all the slagging of each other and our allainces. I am enjoying the war and am just trying to provide a human face to it. Not one person mentioned that I complimented over 30 of your strongest pilots and I named one in particular who I actually have no inclination to ever fight again. Calling me a girl is rude and demeaning and it is insults like that that cause me to react in a spiteful way. This really is just a game. Most of us are trying to play it for fun and that is being spoiled for both sides by a few people that simply like the conflict and controversy. I am simply asking for a style of play from both sides that is mature and dignified. Like I said I don't mind losing but I would rather be beaten. If you can't see the difference then thats unforunate. As someone pointed out 15 kills and sixteen losses but the gap between some. Well all I can say is that I enjoy being cov ops sometimes and use that time as a quiet reflection from losing more ships to lukec, spartaco and the lads. Besides my BM collection of strategic locations in PB, delve etc has grown dramatically over the last several weeks. I can only hope that I get a chance to put them to good use. Try reading a person entire post rather then isolating a small part of it for slagging. You will see that I was trying to be genuine and congratulatory. It is true that many people have left ASCN and Many were asked to leave for whatever reasons but you gotta know most of the people I fly with regularly respect BoB's ability and genuinely enjoy this event. I also tried to say that things have gotten better over the last few weeks with the smack talk. And for that I am thankfull it truely does make the game experience better. Brit ************************************************************** He thinks he is Uber, if you don't believe me, just ask him :)
James Britanicus Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.25 01:29:00 - [272] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 24/11/2006 15:32:42 Hello James, Every member of BoB participates in a different way, with different timescales and different playing times. You just dissed one of the BoB directors who has been part of our core group from the very beginning of BoB and who has participated alot in this war. I think you should perhaps look inwards to ASCN numbers and start wondering why you don't have the numbers we do around the clock before accusing us all of being rude names. Amusingly, CYVOK's made some comments recently about ASCN being a community of friends and BoB playing the game in a meaningless fashion, only concerned about winning. I think he had it wrong. Every member of BoB is here to fight for BoB and more importantly, for his friend at his shoulder. I don't think every member of ASCN can stand up and say the same thing, do you? Before you come on here and attack our alliance members, take a good look at your own. How many of them are happy enough to sit and talk on your forums without participating ingame AT ALL? dbp DB, I have seen you on the field and know you and respect your abilities. But please reread my original point. I was also talking about the people in ascn who are forum warriors. many of those people I have not seen in battle either. But the point made that I don't know every BoB and their alts is true. So I may have lumped in some people with others who don't deserve it. I apologise to those who this relates to. You would know who you are. Ie Weilu(sp?) I saw that you responded and I lumped you into that group of forum warriors not on the field but I know this is wrong, you have represented BoB and your Corp very well. In fact a little while after posting that I thought that I should edit it but figured it was already too late. Don't get me wrong I am not sucking up and I look forward to the next time locktime = 0 but I want you to know that nothing I said was particulary meant to be inflamatory. Brit **************************************************************** He thinks he is Uber, if you don't believe me, just ask him :)
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.11.25 01:53:00 - [273] Edited by: welsh wizard on 25/11/2006 01:54:11 Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.25 10:12:00 - [274] Originally by: James Britanicus I was also talking about the people in ascn who are forum warriors. many of those people I have not seen in battle either. Fair play. For the record, there isn't usually a member of RKK who will post on the forums while he isn't playing the game. It's something we try to advocate pretty relentlessly. Hence why I didn't post in the first few weeks of the war because I was swamped with rl work. This mostly goes for most of the other bob dudes too, I don't think I have seen many who aren't involved in this war although I am sure there are some. cheers, dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
DoctorGonzo Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.25 10:55:00 - [275] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: DoctorGonzo Originally by: Dianabolic I like my new sig. I prefer mine no, mine pwns more tbh Just so we're clear, it's the quote I'm talking about rather than the image. Originally by: Blacklight I think Madeye and CRYVOK have delusions of adequacy!
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.25 12:16:00 - [276] Originally by: DoctorGonzo Just so we're clear, it's the quote I'm talking about rather than the image. Haha, who'd a thunk it! :p Originally by: CRYVOK Others, like BoB, they play the game in a meaningless fasition, concerned with nothing but winning. We care about our friends.
Cmd Woodlouse Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.25 15:27:00 - [277] Originally by: DoctorGonzo Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: DoctorGonzo Originally by: Dianabolic I like my new sig. I prefer mine no, mine pwns more tbh Just so we're clear, it's the quote I'm talking about rather than the image. and im a noob. should have looked at Noobabolics Sig first rather then only yours :P I like BSG more than SW -------------------------------- Thats me in RL
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.25 15:46:00 - [278] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: DoctorGonzo Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: DoctorGonzo Originally by: Dianabolic I like my new sig. I prefer mine no, mine pwns more tbh Just so we're clear, it's the quote I'm talking about rather than the image. and im a noob. should have looked at Noobabolics Sig first rather then only yours :P I like BSG more than SW hush up, private woodmouse. :p Originally by: CRYVOK Others, like BoB, they play the game in a meaningless fasition, concerned with nothing but winning. We care about our friends.
Spartac0 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.26 01:43:00 - [279] Originally by: James Britanicus Not one person mentioned that I complimented over 30 of your strongest pilots and I named one in particular who I actually have no inclination to ever fight again. we can fight when ever u want m8 You said somethings in this forum that needed to be said, I for one, don't read much forums cause it's all the same thing over and over. This is just a game and people tend to bring personal problems into the forums and vent on people that have no issues with. you have my respect. p.s. you really have a crow BPO?
Lorac Caladon Caldari The Cowboy Junkies	Posted - 2007.03.16 02:22:00 - [280] I know this is going back in time, but it seems that BOB really did cheat...who would have believed it back then...
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.16 02:25:00 - [281] Originally by: Lorac Caladon I know this is going back in time, but it seems that BOB really did cheat...who would have believed it back then... Necro ftl --23 Member-- EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Lorac Caladon Caldari The Cowboy Junkies	Posted - 2007.03.16 02:29:00 - [282] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Lorac Caladon I know this is going back in time, but it seems that BOB really did cheat...who would have believed it back then... Necro ftl I'll be sure to run my replies past you first in the future to make sure you approve.
R0ot InNova Tech Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 02:30:00 - [283] Please can we stop with the necro of posts. In fact is it possible to stop people being able to search the COAD forum at all
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.16 02:30:00 - [284] Originally by: Lorac Caladon Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Lorac Caladon I know this is going back in time, but it seems that BOB really did cheat...who would have believed it back then... Necro ftl I'll be sure to run my replies past you first in the future to make sure you approve. Maybe you should read the forum rules? Necromancy = lock and forum warning/ban --23 Member-- EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Topaz Skydiver Minmatar Narrative Freshfood	Posted - 2007.03.16 02:35:00 - [285] Edited by: Topaz Skydiver on 16/03/2007 02:31:37 Double-necro. Not only the thread is old, the message 'cheating blabla' seems also necro after all these weeks. How often have I read that now ? 1000 times ? Does it interest me anymore ? No. kthxbye.
Lorac Caladon Caldari The Cowboy Junkies	Posted - 2007.03.16 02:36:00 - [286] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Lorac Caladon Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Lorac Caladon I know this is going back in time, but it seems that BOB really did cheat...who would have believed it back then... Necro ftl I'll be sure to run my replies past you first in the future to make sure you approve. Maybe you should read the forum rules? Necromancy = lock and forum warning/ban I don't really care much about your opinion one way or the other, but please quote, from the forum rules, where responding to an "older" thread will incur a ban or a warning.
Jotan Veer Wings of Turul Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 02:40:00 - [287] Please let the dead rest...
Lorac Caladon Caldari The Cowboy Junkies	Posted - 2007.03.16 02:46:00 - [288] No offense meant to the people screaming necro, but I don't read/post on this forum often. i thought it was funny that BOB was screaming about how they didn't cheat when in fact they do. I was involved in this thread weeks ago and wanted to see the result. Now i have and well...
Chilli Pepper	Posted - 2007.03.16 03:01:00 - [289] Originally by: Lorac Caladon No offense meant to the people screaming necro, but I don't read/post on this forum often. i thought it was funny that BOB was screaming about how they didn't cheat when in fact they do. I was involved in this thread weeks ago and wanted to see the result. Now i have and well... Who is this Bob you keep talking about? Last I heard, it was a dev named T20 that was caught cheating and heÆs not playing anymore. ThereÆs a lot of people that got banned over the years for various reasons. Why were all members of BoB not banned from the game if they all cheated? Oh, thatÆs right. They are all devs and gms. Are all people in your village idiots, just because you are? Think about that one for few days, genius. Maybe it will come to you.
Lorac Caladon Caldari The Cowboy Junkies	Posted - 2007.03.16 03:13:00 - [290] Originally by: Chilli Pepper Originally by: Lorac Caladon No offense meant to the people screaming necro, but I don't read/post on this forum often. i thought it was funny that BOB was screaming about how they didn't cheat when in fact they do. I was involved in this thread weeks ago and wanted to see the result. Now i have and well... Who is this Bob you keep talking about? Last I heard, it was a dev named T20 that was caught cheating and heÆs not playing anymore. ThereÆs a lot of people that got banned over the years for various reasons. Why were all members of BoB not banned from the game if they all cheated? Oh, thatÆs right. They are all devs and gms. Are all people in your village idiots, just because you are? Think about that one for few days, genius. Maybe it will come to you. Wow. Settle down there pepe. It appears that BOB H.C. (thatÆs ôHigh Commandö in case you couldn't figure it out by yourself) knew that they received BPO's, Intel etc... that other player corp's/alliances did not get. You can get all worked up about which player knew what, but in the end, BOB cheated. Live with it.
Antithysis Athanasius Inc. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 03:16:00 - [291] Back to the grave, yea thread of olde. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.16 04:51:00 - [292] kill the necros and lock thier eve-accounts.
Jonaswpl Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.16 05:30:00 - [293] Post with your main coward. Karma Police
Aaron Static Igneus Auctorita	Posted - 2007.03.16 06:00:00 - [294] Originally by: Graalum kill the necros and lock thier eve-accounts. Agreeing with a roadkill member ITT (the end must be nigh) - Igneus Auctorita Video -
6Bagheera9 Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 06:25:00 - [295] FFS let it die.

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