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Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.11.20 15:32:00 - [1] I don't raise new topics often, but I don't think I have ever seen a thread on this specific point before. Most drones have their strengths and weaknesses, but EM drones have been pretty much useless since the game began. I always try to look for the hidden advantage in everything, I enjoy finding the hidden strengths of the various ships and modules... but I have yet to find a redeeming feature for EM drones. As an Amarr pilot that likes to use drones heavily (since we do have a few select ships that excel at using drones) I would kind of like to be able to occasionally use my races primary damage type of drone. I realize that one of the main strengths of using drones is the ability to get a different damage type from our primary (and damage type restricted) weapons system, however I do believe that there should be some sort of slight advantage to using EM drones over other types. They are weak on damage, slow, and fairly fragile. Maybe I just haven't looked at them hard enough. What am I missing?
jeNK Caldari STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.20 15:53:00 - [2] Edited by: jeNK on 20/11/2006 15:53:29 The beauty of drones is select damage. You're amarr, so fit EXP dmg drones. If you're minmatar, use EM dmg drones. Etc. Obviously that's for pvp, pve just use the weakest resisted. EM drones don't need a buff. They are equal with the other drones and that how it should, and hopefully will, stay.
Loka Gallente adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.20 15:57:00 - [3] EM works as good against shieldtanked ship, as Expl against armor tanked ships. EM on armor tanks works as good as Expl on shieldtanks. _________________________ Noob In Action - [NIA]
Siakel	Posted - 2006.11.20 16:12:00 - [4] Originally by: Loka EM works as good against shieldtanked ship, as Expl against armor tanked ships. EM on armor tanks works as good as Expl on shieldtanks. Ok, except the EM drones damage mod is so low, even if you were fighting a shieldtanker that had EM as his lowest resist, a Thermal, or even Kinetic drone would do more damage. This is aside from the fact that maybe one in ten ships you fight in PvP are shield tanked, and that fully half of those are either Minmatar ships with EM resist as high as explosive, or Ravens with EM as the second highest resist. The EM drones even suck for NPCing, because the NPCs their damage type is decent against also have low Thermal resist, and, once again, the pathetically low damage mod on EM drones means Thermal drones are better anyway. So what, exactly, makes EM drones worth using, or balanced with the others? They do the lowest damage, they do the worst damage type possible, tied for lowest HP with Explosive drones, and lowest shields by a fair margin. So what about them makes them good, pray tell?
Clavius XIV Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.20 16:15:00 - [5] Edited by: Clavius XIV on 20/11/2006 16:16:55 EM Drones have the most armor hp (yes pretty useless, and tied with thermal but there you have it). They do need someting but what can you give them? About the only thing I can think of is to give them stupidly good tracking. Still won't get them used much but its someting.
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.11.20 16:31:00 - [6] Edited by: Ranger 1 on 20/11/2006 16:33:41 Originally by: jeNK Edited by: jeNK on 20/11/2006 15:53:29 The beauty of drones is select damage. You're amarr, so fit EXP dmg drones. If you're minmatar, use EM dmg drones. Etc. Obviously that's for pvp, pve just use the weakest resisted. EM drones don't need a buff. They are equal with the other drones and that how it should, and hopefully will, stay. If you actually read the post, I do acknowledge the advantages of different damage types with drones. In PVE the above poster has already shown where Thermal drones are still superior. EM drones best attribute is indeed armor, but still does not surpass Thermal drones if I remember correctly... and Thermal drones do the best damage of all the drones available. I'm not trying to be argumentative, normally I find game balance to be quite good. But in this case I think it is out of whack and needs to be looked at. Yes, upping their tracking has potential I suppose. I would really have thought that the way tanking works now perhaps raw damage done should be a uniform base number with drones... but I truthfully do enjoy the variety of characteristics that are used in their balancing. I just can't find any advantage to using EM drones in any situation... especially compared to Thermal. I don't know, up their ROF perhaps? Hmmm...
Rafein Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.20 16:38:00 - [7] Em drones got 2nd best tracking, 2nd best speed, and most armor, as I recall. They just suck at dealing damage, with the lowest damage mod.
dalman Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.11.20 16:39:00 - [8] They used to have the best tracking. Then that was given to the explosive ones. :s However, this has got to be the first time ever I see an amarr pilot that want to do more EM damage instead of using his drones for exp/kin :s And they are supposed to do least damage. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Ambien Torca	Posted - 2006.11.20 16:49:00 - [9] They could improve them a bit, maybe boost their damage mod to same level as explosives.
Siakel	Posted - 2006.11.20 16:52:00 - [10] Originally by: Rafein Em drones got 2nd best tracking, 2nd best speed, and most armor, as I recall. They just suck at dealing damage, with the lowest damage mod. Most armor tied with the highest damage drone, and least total HP tied with explosive drone. And for a Drone that has no purpose other than 'shoot the target' sucking at doing damage isn't good. With Ships the low-damage high-tank ships have other uses. They can be heavy tacklers, or EW support, that kind of stuff. But a combat-drone that sucks at doing damage? What's the point? So why is it that they are outdamaged by a drone that is faster, has better tracking, and has just as much HP, along with having one of, if not the, best damage types in game?

Ithildin Gallente The Corporation The Corporation Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.20 16:53:00 - [11] They've got slightly better tracking versus orbit velocity than the rest, I believe. Explosive drones actually have the worst tracking in that respect. But their main benefit is: They are drones answer to the Ares - they look awesome Drone usage is pretty simple: Fighting Guristas or Serpentis - Kinetic. Fighting Bloods, CONCORD, Rogue Drones, Mercs, Sansha or Amarr Assaults - Thermal. Fighting Angels, Gallente assaults, Caldari assaults, or Minmatar assaults - Explosive. PvPing in Gallente or Amarr ships - Explosive PvPing in Minmatar ships - Thermal * I think Therefore we can make a drone hierarchy: 1. Thermal In most situations the most damaging drone. It's speed is a major drawback and since it does thermal damage it tend not to complement the host ship too well. 2. Explosive A very close second. Does third least damage, but is the fastest drone which counts for a lot. Actually, it's high speed counts for ****loads since drone MWDs are more bugged than BF2142 at release. 3. Kinetic Seldom useful, seldom useless. Avarage between the two above. 4. Empty The EM drones just didn't make it on our drone-top-4 list, because it's useless. At no point do you benefit from launching EM drones than any of the others. It's damage mod is so low that even if the ship has a big gaping EM hole, thermal drones tend to do more damage anyway. Myself I prefere explosive drones. They're fast, and thus reliable. Really. The main thing with drones aren't damage - they're so slow that you can't gank with them anyway. - EVE is sick.
genes Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.20 17:12:00 - [12] Edited by: genes on 20/11/2006 17:12:06 Lots of armor and almost no shield is not a good thing on drones either. Anyone who've ever used vespas while flying a curse knows what im talking about :P
Nahia Senne Fortunis Novum	Posted - 2006.11.20 17:22:00 - [13] truth be told, no reason to use EM drones at all. they are simply the worst drones in the game. they aren't even worth carrying in your domi... people much prefer therm/exp drones. Make ECCM viable! Give it 25% to scanning resolution!
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.11.20 23:04:00 - [14] Originally by: Ithildin They've got slightly better tracking versus orbit velocity than the rest, I believe. Explosive drones actually have the worst tracking in that respect. But their main benefit is: They are drones answer to the Ares - they look awesome Drone usage is pretty simple: Fighting Guristas or Serpentis - Kinetic. Fighting Bloods, CONCORD, Rogue Drones, Mercs, Sansha or Amarr Assaults - Thermal. Fighting Angels, Gallente assaults, Caldari assaults, or Minmatar assaults - Explosive. PvPing in Gallente or Amarr ships - Explosive PvPing in Minmatar ships - Thermal * I think Therefore we can make a drone hierarchy: 1. Thermal In most situations the most damaging drone. It's speed is a major drawback and since it does thermal damage it tend not to complement the host ship too well. 2. Explosive A very close second. Does third least damage, but is the fastest drone which counts for a lot. Actually, it's high speed counts for ****loads since drone MWDs are more bugged than BF2142 at release. 3. Kinetic Seldom useful, seldom useless. Avarage between the two above. 4. Empty The EM drones just didn't make it on our drone-top-4 list, because it's useless. At no point do you benefit from launching EM drones than any of the others. It's damage mod is so low that even if the ship has a big gaping EM hole, thermal drones tend to do more damage anyway. Myself I prefere explosive drones. They're fast, and thus reliable. Really. The main thing with drones aren't damage - they're so slow that you can't gank with them anyway. I think you pretty much covered the problem. For some ships though, drone damage is as cruicial as their speed or reliability. Particularly a nos equiped drone carrier that attacks at close range. Someone suggested that Minmatar pilots would of course carry the EM drones to diversify their damage. I seriously doubt you will find any that actually do. That is my point.
dicequeen	Posted - 2006.11.20 23:12:00 - [15] There's only one good use of em drones... And it's limited to venal and those npcers
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.11.20 23:27:00 - [16] Originally by: Ithildin Drone usage is pretty simple: Fighting Guristas or Serpentis - Kinetic. Use Thermal for those two. The resists are similar, and the thermals deal more damage overall, accounting for the slight disparity between the two resists. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Marcus TheMartin Gallente CURSED LEGION OF DOOM Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.20 23:28:00 - [17] I use em drones for those mean caladari Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes


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