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Kaervek Dalani
Starcade Group
Elemental Tide
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Posted - 2015.06.09 21:52:45 -
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I guess I feel that acceptable 'system activity' has been whittled down to either 'ratting' or mining. Plus, I do PI so I'm painfully biased. Just wanted to get some thoughts. :) |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.06.09 22:07:28 -
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Because it's mostly passive.
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Fidelas Constans
2475
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Posted - 2015.06.09 22:09:51 -
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Very passive, and you don't have to risk much to squish the numbers in your favor. |
evotta
Territorial Hanseatic League
5
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Posted - 2015.06.09 22:25:05 -
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I hope a general revision of those indexes is in the plans, as they don't seem to really reflect the activity in a system.
However i don't think PI would be a nice idea, as it's mainly a passive interaction. |
Lena Lazair
Khanid Irregulars
Khanid's Legion
496
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Posted - 2015.06.09 22:30:54 -
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Kaervek Dalani wrote:I guess I feel that acceptable 'system activity' has been whittled down to either 'ratting' or mining. Plus, I do PI so I'm painfully biased. Just wanted to get some thoughts. :)
The replies that "it's passive" are insufficient. The problem is that it's passive in a way that is too easy to game in perfect safety just for index purposes. Mining and ratting can be stopped by an attacking force. Even if you mine and rat inefficiently in super-tanked bait ships for the sole purpose of raising a system index, the reality is that you are out in space and vulnerable.
PI you can manage remotely, extract all resources locally, don't even need a POCO, and can simply launch stuff into space and let it rot. All just to get your index up. At no point can any attacking force do ANYTHING about that. All they can do is interdict PI exports from leaving the system, but if the sole point is to raise the system index, you don't care about that. It becomes a free, perfectly safe way to influence system index. And there's no way CCP can try to tie a PI index to the actual physical removal of the products from the system without making it horribly game-able in other ways.
In short, until someone can bombard your PI installations from space or equivalent, there's no way to make PI part of the system index because it's all reward, no risk. |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
1170
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Posted - 2015.06.09 22:38:00 -
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Because it hasn't been coded in yet.
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
331
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Posted - 2015.06.09 22:42:41 -
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Same reason manufacturing isn't? |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6686
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Posted - 2015.06.10 00:02:39 -
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Lena Lazair wrote:Kaervek Dalani wrote:I guess I feel that acceptable 'system activity' has been whittled down to either 'ratting' or mining. Plus, I do PI so I'm painfully biased. Just wanted to get some thoughts. :) The replies that "it's passive" are insufficient. The problem is that it's passive in a way that is too easy to game in perfect safety just for index purposes. Mining and ratting can be stopped by an attacking force. Even if you mine and rat inefficiently in super-tanked bait ships for the sole purpose of raising a system index, the reality is that you are out in space and vulnerable. PI you can manage remotely, extract all resources locally, don't even need a POCO, and can simply launch stuff into space and let it rot. All just to get your index up. At no point can any attacking force do ANYTHING about that. All they can do is interdict PI exports from leaving the system, but if the sole point is to raise the system index, you don't care about that. It becomes a free, perfectly safe way to influence system index. And there's no way CCP can try to tie a PI index to the actual physical removal of the products from the system without making it horribly game-able in other ways. In short, until someone can bombard your PI installations from space or equivalent, there's no way to make PI part of the system index because it's all reward, no risk.
My experience with PI is very poor. But I would imagine it could be used as a factor for index if there was some way to interdict it.
Wasn't that one of the ideas for DUST? That you can drop troops down to mess things up? Of course I don't imagine (at this time) that would still be viable.
I would hope that PI would be "linked" to the overall POS/ratting/mining indices but they become vulnerable as well, as in more than just shooting the PoCo for example.
There could be much to the imagination: like being able to bombard PI facilities from orbit (yeah yeah "Nuke from Orbit" ) but new installations like Stackfire missiles (see "Templar One" ) that can fight back. Basicallly imagine something like a "POS on the ground" that creates commodities.
Of course that's a lot of content and we can sit here and spin content ideas all day. Such things take code and time.
Who knows what will happen. I say make it less passive and throw it into the mix.
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Otso Bakarti
Filial Pariahs
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Posted - 2015.06.10 00:34:30 -
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Uhm...ratting and mining? Ganking. There's one officially endorsed activity. Ganking.
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Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
1353
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Posted - 2015.06.10 13:34:31 -
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Too easy to manipulate.
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Fidelas Constans
2476
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Posted - 2015.06.10 13:37:21 -
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Otso Bakarti wrote:Uhm...ratting and mining? Ganking. There's one officially endorsed activity. Ganking.
Not really 'ganking' when there's no concord. |
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