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Thornspawn Chalice	Posted - 2006.11.20 22:33:00 - [1] Edited by: Thornspawn Chalice on 20/11/2006 22:33:28 right now - they have 3 bonuses unlike the hacs or CS - 4th is this gonna be changed in kali1 or kali2, kali3? this can make them worthy for pvp.. in that moment its something inline with destroyers and stealth bombers [but better :)]
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.20 23:09:00 - [2] What do you suggest? -----------------------------------------------
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.21 02:21:00 - [3] Originally by: Patch86 What do you suggest? 5% shield resists per level for Harpy, 5% rof for hawk for starters. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Sir Drake	Posted - 2006.11.21 06:15:00 - [4] Cap bonus for the amarr AF would be nice. either 5% more cap per level or 5-10% cap recharge per level Speed bonus for minmatar AF. no idea about gallente or caldari especially gallente is pretty nice as it is
Wompm Rogue Method Rogue Method Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.21 07:26:00 - [5] 10% drone hitpts and dmg for the ishkur
Thornspawn Chalice	Posted - 2006.11.21 07:39:00 - [6] Harpy - 5% to shield ressist [like eagle] Hawk - 5% to rof bonus Enyo - 5% dmg bonus or 1 more tracking bonus [if u think dmg is ub3r etc] Ishkur - dmg bonus for drones or another bonus for dronebay [it still small] Retribution - 5% to rof and 1 more medslot maybe? Vengeance - donnow Jaguar - 5% to speed [or another if u think this ub3r] Wolf - 7.5% tracking boni
Akiman	Posted - 2006.11.21 07:54:00 - [7] i do agree
Captain Raynor Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.21 07:59:00 - [8] AF could use some love.. 4th bonus please. Quote: Daniel Jackson > a harbinger cant be a raven cause its not caldari Daniel Jackson > and its not a missle ship Jim Raynor > thank you for that expert analysis DJ
Sir Drake	Posted - 2006.11.21 08:07:00 - [9] Originally by: Thornspawn Chalice Retribution - 5% to rof and 1 more medslot maybe? No thanks to the extra med slot, that would fck up the whole concept of the retribution. Slot layout is very nice as it is, maybe another turret hardpoint but definetly no 2nd med slot. How about a 5% resistence bonus? That would save me a EANM II
Teis Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.21 08:21:00 - [10] * Teis counts the bonuses on a Harpy ...... 5 Quote: Caldari Frigate Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret optimal range, 15% bonus to Shield and Armor Thermal Resistance and 10% bonus to Shield and Armor Kinetic Resistance per level Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret optimal range and 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage per level * Teis counts the bonuses on a Cerberus ....... 4 Quote: Caldari Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Kinetic Missile damage and 10% bonus to Missile velocity per level Heavy Assault Ship Skill Bonus: 10% bonus Light and Heavy Missile flight time and 5% bonus to Missile Launcher rate of fire per level I think the poor HAC's need some love Tactical Training Officer State War Academy School

Lain Khazar Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.21 08:24:00 - [11] How about some box-of-wonder reduce in mass? AF are slow like hell, compared to cruisers. Yes I know, that's what they are supposed to be but that's the main reason why I prefer a cruiser over an AF all the time. AF is better tank in some cases (higher resistances and stuff) but with almost same speed as a cruiser. (Speaking for Caldari which are the only ones I used (yet).) -- A alternative way of living... WTB: avatar-pic (this char is about 8 month old and still doesn't have a avatar-pic )
Sir Drake	Posted - 2006.11.21 08:46:00 - [12] Originally by: Teis * Teis counts the bonuses on a Harpy ...... 5 * Teis counts the bonuses on a Cerberus ....... 4 I think the poor HAC's need some love Guess you missed the HAC¦s integrated resistence boni.
Xoduse Beasts of Burden Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.22 04:29:00 - [13] Originally by: Sir Drake Originally by: Teis * Teis counts the bonuses on a Harpy ...... 5 * Teis counts the bonuses on a Cerberus ....... 4 I think the poor HAC's need some love Guess you missed the HAC¦s integrated resistence boni. Yep thats the whole point, AFs miss out on a bonus b/c 1 of them is for the resists that HACs already have built in. ---------------------
ChronoLynx Caldari Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.11.22 05:07:00 - [14] If the Hawk gets a ROF Bonus I want my ROF bonus back on my crow... Elitest Carebear with Fangs and Claws
Xoduse Beasts of Burden Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.22 16:21:00 - [15] Originally by: ChronoLynx If the Hawk gets a ROF Bonus I want my ROF bonus back on my crow... Yah because crow doesnt pwn the the other poor inties enough as it is...sigh ---------------------
Kruel Blunt Force Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.22 16:27:00 - [16] Originally by: Wompm 10% drone hitpts and dmg for the ishkur Hellzyeah. /signed for that! Will it make Ishkur overpowered? Probably. Do I care? No, cuz I fly an Ishkur.
Xoduse Beasts of Burden Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.11.22 16:29:00 - [17] Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Wompm 10% drone hitpts and dmg for the ishkur Hellzyeah. /signed for that! Will it make Ishkur overpowered? Probably. Do I care? No, cuz I fly an Ishkur. Exactly the kind of crap we dont need in revelations...and i fly ishkurs. ---------------------
Sorja E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.11.22 16:31:00 - [18] Originally by: Lain Khazar How about some reduce in mass? AF are slow like hell, compared to cruisers. Indeed. I only fly Caldari assault frigs and they behave like cruisers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but last time I checked I had the feeling a Caracal aligned as fast as a Harpy/Hawk. It might just be an impression, but a frig should be a frig, it's already too bad we have the Kestrel/Manticore which fly like bricks. An agility boost might be a bit overpowered for Minmatarr frigs, but I for one don't care, I'd like to enjoy flying an assault frig instead of trying to push them through the monitor... ____________________ A gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipe, but who does not.
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.11.22 16:31:00 - [19] Originally by: Xoduse Originally by: ChronoLynx If the Hawk gets a ROF Bonus I want my ROF bonus back on my crow... Yah because crow doesnt pwn the the other poor inties enough as it is...sigh While it can kill other inties, it's pretty much useless for killing larger ships than frigates (which the other ceptors can do). While the lack of tracking issues is great for killing frigates, the DPS is shockingly low Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Ixian001a Caldari Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.11.22 20:24:00 - [20] Somehow giving the harpy a resistance bonus seems wrong since it really is more of a gank ship in comparison to the hawk. Give the Harpy a resistance bonus and the Hawk a straight damage bonus.

GrumpyCat	Posted - 2006.11.22 21:07:00 - [21] Originally by: Sorja Originally by: Lain Khazar How about some reduce in mass? AF are slow like hell, compared to cruisers. Indeed. I only fly Caldari assault frigs and they behave like cruisers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but last time I checked I had the feeling a Caracal aligned as fast as a Harpy/Hawk. It might just be an impression, but a frig should be a frig, it's already too bad we have the Kestrel/Manticore which fly like bricks. An agility boost might be a bit overpowered for Minmatarr frigs, but I for one don't care, I'd like to enjoy flying an assault frig instead of trying to push them through the monitor... I agree. Harpy and Hawk handle like a caracal. Haven't flow any other afs, but a frig should be a lot more agile than a cruiser and i'm not talking about speedwise.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.22 22:50:00 - [22] Originally by: Thornspawn Chalice Ishkur - dmg bonus for drones or another bonus for dronebay [it still small] 40-50m3 on a frig is small? Sounds like someone just wants to beable to use heaviers with their AF for absurd pwnage. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.22 22:51:00 - [23] Originally by: Teis * Teis counts the bonuses on a Harpy ...... 5 Quote: Caldari Frigate Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret optimal range, 15% bonus to Shield and Armor Thermal Resistance and 10% bonus to Shield and Armor Kinetic Resistance per level Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret optimal range and 5% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret damage per level * Teis counts the bonuses on a Cerberus ....... 4 Quote: Caldari Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Kinetic Missile damage and 10% bonus to Missile velocity per level Heavy Assault Ship Skill Bonus: 10% bonus Light and Heavy Missile flight time and 5% bonus to Missile Launcher rate of fire per level I think the poor HAC's need some love I'd yell at you if I didn't believe you're just being sarcastic. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.22 22:53:00 - [24] Originally by: Ixian001a Somehow giving the harpy a resistance bonus seems wrong since it really is more of a gank ship in comparison to the hawk. Give the Harpy a resistance bonus and the Hawk a straight damage bonus. The Harpy is a small Eagle, so it might seem wrong, but it's not. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.


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