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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.11.21 13:03:00 -
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PvP in Kali
Finally there is no need to whine or complain anymore, no need for anymore nerfs or buffs - balance has been achieved!
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MECTO
Xenobytes
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.21 13:10:00 -
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haha. good point
It's Great Being Carebear in Kali - aint it?
 Originally by: Tuxford
In this picture you might think that Gallente totally pwn. Well they're alright
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Tiuwaz
Minmatar
Omacron Militia
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Posted - 2006.11.21 17:41:00 -
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my alt complies with CCP'S new vision and is now training for caldari BS
Originally by: Oveur
This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.21 17:55:00 -
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I suspect that CCP is waiting till we have a 99% fleet saturation with rohks and then nerf longrange fleet combat back to 2003.
At least we won't run out of skills to train.
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Angus McLean
Gallente
Divinity Trials
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Posted - 2006.11.21 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel
I suspect that CCP is waiting till we have a 99% fleet saturation with rohks and then nerf longrange fleet combat back to 2003.
At least we won't run out of skills to train.
Your EvE history is a bit backwards. In 2003 people could use glitches and fire 9AU with a tempest. I dont think thats what CCP is planning.
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Albert Anastacia
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Posted - 2006.11.21 18:08:00 -
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Edited by: Albert Anastacia on 21/11/2006 18:08:42
Achura alt almost has max gunnery now, rail spec 5 starts next month then BS 5 and ROLL ON KALI!
I might even sell my main char for ISK and keep the Rokh pilot, who needs SniperGeddons now?
Like they say, adapt or die. I adapted and now I get to Iwinbutton all over everyones face.
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TheFirstInquisitor
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Posted - 2006.11.21 18:13:00 -
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Hmm. Rokh has longest range, thats the biggest thing.
Am i jumping on the bandwaggon having chosen Caldari based on the "bounty hunter" in the description and just simply looking the most awesome in the charecter selection in 2004?
Its giving me mixed thoughts, because i honestly beielved that the HC pilots would stick to their guns and stay with other races. Naive, yes. Bandwagon? been on it since it started for Rail Caldari BS.
Please CCP, make the others worth flying for LR combat, because the message im getting is that you WANT LR combat ships like the Rokh as the staple. Perhaps if the Mega got a boost, the other Rail BS of Eve would be popular aswell, hell, upgrade all the Turret BS to be on par with each other in their own little ways...
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St Dragon
Blood Association of Dragons
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Posted - 2006.11.21 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Albert Anastacia
Edited by: Albert Anastacia on 21/11/2006 18:08:42
Achura alt almost has max gunnery now, rail spec 5 starts next month then BS 5 and ROLL ON KALI!
I might even sell my main char for ISK and keep the Rokh pilot, who needs SniperGeddons now?
Like they say, adapt or die. I adapted and now I get to Iwinbutton all over everyones face.
Join the caldai vet club 
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korrey
Taurus Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.21 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: St Dragon
Originally by: Albert Anastacia
Edited by: Albert Anastacia on 21/11/2006 18:08:42
Achura alt almost has max gunnery now, rail spec 5 starts next month then BS 5 and ROLL ON KALI!
I might even sell my main char for ISK and keep the Rokh pilot, who needs SniperGeddons now?
Like they say, adapt or die. I adapted and now I get to Iwinbutton all over everyones face.
Join the caldai vet club
Heh I cant wait for Caldari nerf. All these pilots selling their mains to use Caldari, then the flavor of the month goes out.
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.11.21 18:23:00 -
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*cough*
RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy |
TheFirstInquisitor
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Posted - 2006.11.21 18:23:00 -
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Turret weps are best bet ingame. We now have sh**loads of Caldai pilots aiming at turrets. Nerf Caldari and they have support skills for the weps of all other races (well maybe drones on gellente...). Nerf Caldari and they spread out, who knows, flavout of next expansion may see an exodus to minmatar ships, which are the new designated "I win Button" due to a rewrite making huge cargoholds and speed being best wep ingame :)
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Earthan
Gallente
The Amazing Fire Eaters
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Posted - 2006.11.21 18:31:00 -
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Well i got still caldari bs level 4 from times when shield tankign was only passiblity and scorpion was ruling cause it could achieve 90 % or something resistance and tank everything:)
Still we will see hoe it plays out i do fear Rokh will be declassing for other bs too.
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A knight in space,war veteran.
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kirjava
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Posted - 2006.11.21 18:34:00 -
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Edited by: kirjava on 21/11/2006 18:34:43
Surely the Blasterthron will have a place in our hearts 
Cos there sure as hell a hole in my Covetor after having run into one...
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari
eXin Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.21 20:21:00 -
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*quietly continues training for biracial HACs and Command Ships.
Meh, battleships.
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Nyxus
GALAXIAN
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.11.21 21:59:00 -
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Sad but true, sad but true. Anyone who saw T2 ammo come out has seen this scenario before. Anyone who is smart will take advantage of it. The ability to fire on hostiles without them having the ability to fire back is a tactical advantage of IMMENSE proportion.
And it will be used.
Originally by: Verus Potestas
*cough*
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!! Truly done in style.
Leaves me with a tough question. Keep training up Large T2 Projectiles for my Amarrian Abaddon or start on T2 Rails for my soon-to-be mandatory fleet Rokh. 
Nyxus
Nyxus
Originally by: keepiru
I cant imagine a stronger signal of how pants 3/4 of new BS are than the fact that Matari will be training Amarr BS and Amarrians will be training Large Projectile to use the same ship |
Christopher Dalran
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Posted - 2006.11.21 22:11:00 -
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Personally i HOPE everyone switches to caldari and flys the rokh, thats probably the only way to ENSURE the nerf bat starts swinging.
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Wilfan Ret'nub
Singularity.
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Posted - 2006.11.21 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Christopher Dalran
Personally i HOPE everyone switches to caldari and flys the rokh, thats probably the only way to ENSURE the nerf bat starts swinging.
Well, it worked with the Raven 
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Verus Potestas
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2006.11.22 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Wilfan Ret'nub
Originally by: Christopher Dalran
Personally i HOPE everyone switches to caldari and flys the rokh, thats probably the only way to ENSURE the nerf bat starts swinging.
Well, it worked with the Raven
And then as soon as everyone stopped, they introduced Javelin Torps
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing.
RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy |
Paigan
Amarr
Katsu Corporation
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Posted - 2006.11.22 11:22:00 -
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All i say is:
I have Caldari BS V - Rokh will be imba, Scorp will be still good, even kind of buffed (range rigs)
I don't have T2 425mm - T2 Turrets will be nerfed
What should i say? This patch was made for ME :D
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.22 11:29:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 22/11/2006 11:32:33
The Rokh will mostly suck, except for fleets comprised on ONLY Rokhs, which you won't see outside of entities like BE (if they even would want to).
It will be usefull for smaller fights however, due to the awesome medslots and high range with antimatter.
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slothe
Caldari
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.11.22 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 22/11/2006 11:32:33
The Rokh will mostly suck, except for fleets comprised on ONLY Rokhs, which you won't see outside of entities like BE (if they even would want to).
It will be usefull for smaller fights however, due to the awesome medslots and high range with antimatter.
tbh if anyone i can see bob using fleets of rokhs or 5. having fought 5 many times (at least when i fought against them) they relied on their ability to outrange oponnents, and when they fought at mid / shorter range they didnt do so well.i can see the 5 mentality travelling to bob.
realistically how many fights do bob do at mid / short range? i dont know ive never fought bob fleets.
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.22 11:41:00 -
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Hmm...
Seems like I need to start training for caldari BattleShips.
Since the Rokh will be the fleet ship of the day and Raven will be the best viable solo BS, since it doesn't need cap to fire... And can tank all day...
Oh, well. **** the other races. Go Caldari!
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Auman
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.22 11:50:00 -
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Don't see what all the fuss is about. Most ships can hit out to around 200km the extra 49km you get with a lot of micro management hardly seems worth it.
In BoB you're more likely to see fleets of Abaddons, Hyperions (if you're BNC <3 3x SBII) and Maelstroms.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.22 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 22/11/2006 11:54:56
Originally by: slothe
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 22/11/2006 11:32:33
The Rokh will mostly suck, except for fleets comprised on ONLY Rokhs, which you won't see outside of entities like BE (if they even would want to).
It will be usefull for smaller fights however, due to the awesome medslots and high range with antimatter.
tbh if anyone i can see bob using fleets of rokhs or 5. having fought 5 many times (at least when i fought against them) they relied on their ability to outrange oponnents, and when they fought at mid / shorter range they didnt do so well.i can see the 5 mentality travelling to bob.
realistically how many fights do bob do at mid / short range? i dont know ive never fought bob fleets.
Well, since in large fleets it is not realistic to only use Rokh's (not even for BoB with our relatively high number of high SP characters), you will end up with a mixed fleet.
That gives you the choice. Fly the Rokh's in with the rest or put them at a different range, outside of direct counterfire. Choosing the second will only lead to the enemy simply adapting and sending for example their support fleet into your Rokh's.
Secondly, the Rokh has many midslots, and doesn't need tracking comps for them either. That makes it a nice EW platform in fleet fights if you are so inclined. But that EW is useless at more then say 160km.
For smaller gangs against larger ones using hit and run sniping the Rokh might be usefull, but it will also lack both alpha strike and dps to do it effectively seeing the hp increases coming in Kali. A couple of Rokh's at 220km will be reached by your claws before they kill any of your BS. A large amount of Rokh's simply leads to you warping off to a point out of their range.
So, what do you end up with ? A ship that doesn't *need* t2 turrets per sT, and is actually most usefull at around 80-100km, seeing how it's comfortably using high damage t1 ammo there when other BS need to switch to their longrange tech2 by then. That's the big pro of the Rokh: relatively cheap and low-SP investment fleet combat alternative with the medslots to be usefull in EW+gank combos at medium to long range. Ergo: medium gang combat or low damage/sp long range combat.
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Jacinto Naysmith
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.11.22 12:35:00 -
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Caldari? In a ship capable of participating in fleet PVP? Get back in your level 4 mission where you belong 
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DarkElf
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.11.22 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Laboratus
and Raven will be the best viable solo BS, since it doesn't need cap to fire... And can tank all day...
not sure where u get that from. raven never has and probably never will be the best solo bs. to tank well it has no tackling equipment. and needing no cap to fire also applies to minnie weapons and aint really that important tbh in the majority of cases.
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Fi T'Zeh
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.22 16:05:00 -
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Can i just add the following bits of evidence to this discussion. These are the killmails of the primary and a few further targets called in monday night's engagement on K-9, BoB v ASCN.
http://www.killboard.net/?p=details&id=118995
http://www.killboard.net/?p=details&id=118984
http://www.killboard.net/?p=details&id=119020
http://www.killboard.net/?p=details&id=118988
http://www.killboard.net/?p=details&id=118974
Now can you explain to me precisely, which pilots from those mails are suddenly going to switch up and start training for a Rokh ???
Cos frankly, I can only see one. And he probably won't because I happen to know he likes his raven. In fact, notable by their absense is almost anyone flying Caldari. Which must be lies right, cos they are overpowered and everything.... Yeah, and the geddon is clearly a sucky unpopular ship too.
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Raste
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.22 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Fi T'Zeh
Can i just add the following bits of evidence to this discussion. These are the killmails of the primary and a few further targets called in monday night's engagement on K-9, BoB v ASCN.
http://www.killboard.net/?p=details&id=118995
http://www.killboard.net/?p=details&id=118984
http://www.killboard.net/?p=details&id=119020
http://www.killboard.net/?p=details&id=118988
http://www.killboard.net/?p=details&id=118974
Now can you explain to me precisely, which pilots from those mails are suddenly going to switch up and start training for a Rokh ???
Cos frankly, I can only see one. And he probably won't because I happen to know he likes his raven. In fact, notable by their absense is almost anyone flying Caldari. Which must be lies right, cos they are overpowered and everything.... Yeah, and the geddon is clearly a sucky unpopular ship too.
As things stand on TQ now you generally take out the turret damage dealers first. Since Caldari doesnt have a turret BS now, how would the choice of primaries on TQ today have anything to do with how things will be once the Rokh is introduced?
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Albert Anastacia
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Posted - 2006.11.22 16:45:00 -
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Edited by: Albert Anastacia on 22/11/2006 16:44:54
Originally by: Rod Blaine
The Rokh will mostly suck, except for fleets comprised on ONLY Rokhs, which you won't see outside of entities like BE (if they even would want to).
How can you even say that? 
Imagine a long range fleet engagement pre-Revelations where half the people would turn up in cruisers. Would a FC be picky if he said "Sorry guys, come back in a BS or a support ship" ??
Now fast forward to 6 months from now where it will be "Sorry guys, come back in a Rokh or a support ship". You know its going to happen, having everybody in Rokh's vs. a fleet that consists of a little bit of everything would give you a HUGE advantage which simply can't be denied. FCs play to win, after all.
We have never been in the situation where one ship had such a huge advantage over the other one. The Rokh will be MANDATORY to fly in any proper fleet and anyone who says different is wrong.
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Auman
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.22 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Raste
Originally by: Fi T'Zeh
Can i just add the following bits of evidence to this discussion. These are the killmails of the primary and a few further targets called in monday night's engagement on K-9, BoB v ASCN.
http://www.killboard.net/?p=details&id=118995
http://www.killboard.net/?p=details&id=118984
http://www.killboard.net/?p=details&id=119020
http://www.killboard.net/?p=details&id=118988
http://www.killboard.net/?p=details&id=118974
Now can you explain to me precisely, which pilots from those mails are suddenly going to switch up and start training for a Rokh ???
Cos frankly, I can only see one. And he probably won't because I happen to know he likes his raven. In fact, notable by their absense is almost anyone flying Caldari. Which must be lies right, cos they are overpowered and everything.... Yeah, and the geddon is clearly a sucky unpopular ship too.
As things stand on TQ now you generally take out the turret damage dealers first. Since Caldari doesnt have a turret BS now, how would the choice of primaries on TQ today have anything to do with how things will be once the Rokh is introduced?
He's talking about which BoB pilots on the killmails would you expect to switch to a rokh. The answer is none of them will unless they lose their mind.
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