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Pod Panik
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2015.06.11 12:06:30 -
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Hello all,
I am having fun with high sec exploration but I can't seem to be able to complete 4/10 sites. My dps is seriously lacking. For instance, one of the sites has 4 EM shield booster that protects the other ships. I can't destroy the EM boosters and I can't get through the webbers so i am essentially a sitting duck...
A couple things about me:
- main damage system is drone with missile as close 2nd...
- i can't stand missiles for exploration (carry all that ammo) so i am slowly switching towards medium lasers
- i can't pilot T2 ships yet so i am stuck with T1
- i only have a single account so my ship needs to be "one size fits all". I can however use mobile depot to switch hardners...
- i have level 3 in all cruiser types
- i want to be able to run 3/10 sites so i can't use BC
- i have a Stratios parked...but given my current experience i find it risky to use it and possibly lose it. Pretty expensive and not sure it would grant more dps then the Vexor
- slowly crawling towards the Ishtar but i wonvt be there for another couple weeks
My current fit is:
[Vexor, Vexor high sec combat] Medium Armor Repairer II Prototype Armor EM Hardener I Prototype Armor Thermic Hardener I Damage Control II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Core Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe Heavy Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M Improved Cloaking Device II Heavy Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I, Multifrequency M
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Hobgoblin II x5Hobgoblin II x5Salvage Drone I x5
Is the Vexor the right tool for the job?
Any recommendation on fit or totally different ship?
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Brutus Utama
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2015.06.11 13:07:37 -
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Personally i would stick with 3/10's untill you raise your skills with cruiser level 3 your missing out on 20% of the bonus you get for your drones... get this upto atleast 4 aswell as getting your drone skills up.....
Also do NOT run your micro warp drive unless you need to it increases your sig radius by alot meaning you take more damage,,,
I would look at changing to a higher DPS ship vexor Navy or maybe a GIla....
Vexor navy has more DPS due to more drones being able to launch you want to ideally use sentries IMO, land in sight burn out to about 50km and drop sentries...
The Gila is a great ship... has a relaly nice tank and also combines missiles with drones.... you can easilly get a gila upto 600DPS even with lower skills but it can get much higher DPS also...
I used the Gila when i lived in High sec for running sites.... launch your drones they make quick work of most things and then if anything gets close use your missiles....as these are really a secondry weapon after the drones... although the Gila is pretty expensive it is one of the better cruisers in game i think...
The stratios you have is also good but the tank is paper thin you need to use it to Kite also it allows you only 4 drones... but yes you will get more DPS from it due to having the tanking resist bonuns allowing you to add more drone damage amps...
for now i say go with a Vexor Navy or a Gila... unless your in low sec the Gila should be fine....
in regards to your fit below drop the cap rechargers and add a cap booster... and 2 omnidirectional tracking links for your drones...
drop the nano pumps for trimark armour rigs for more buffer... and maybe the cap rig for an EM shield rig which then free's up a low slot for another Drone damage Amp...
cloaking device? not sure why you need this to explore...
also it will be well worth getting your tanking and drone skills up more and also your engineering skills (cap/power)
I would also swap the lasers out for rails or blasters as thats where the Vexor bonus's are....
But as i said Gila or Vexor Navy will be much better for doing them in...the Ishtar will be better than your Vexor but again the price tag on it is alot higher.... and i wouldnt fly that untill you know how to use it propperly as it operateds differently than a vexor...
This is only my Opinion hope it helps... |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
331
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Posted - 2015.06.11 14:51:43 -
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Get faction Sentry drones and your problems are solved. |
Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
323
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Posted - 2015.06.11 19:48:03 -
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Pod Panik wrote: My dps is seriously lacking.
Never thought I'd ever hear those two things together in the same post... |
Paranoid Loyd
5764
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Posted - 2015.06.11 20:18:17 -
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You get a bonus to hybrids, I am curious why you are using lasers.
If you are in highsec there should be no need for a cloak. It gimps your scan resolution so it takes longer to lock things as well as taking up a slot that can be used for DPS.
I don't do a whole lot of scanning for combat sigs but if you can lose the rig and replace it with another armor rep rig you can lose the DC and put another Drone Damage Amp in your lows and net out at the same repair of 212 (vs Blood Raiders). T2 hardeners will get you a little more EHP and effective rep (235). If you want more scan strength you can consider carrying a mobile depot and changing your mids out for scan mods while you scan then back to combat fit when you find something, this will slow you down though.
Using a combination of 2 large, 2 med and 1 small will get you the max DPS, if you can't use T2 large yet use the Fed Navy versions. You can also consider using a Omnidirectional Tracking Link in place of a cap recharger to get bet application from your drones.
Good: This does 638 DPS to your 358 DPS as well as applying damage better.
Bad: you lose almost 50% of sustained cap and can't scan quite as well.
[Vexor, Vexor high sec combat] Medium Armor Repairer II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II
Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II 50MN Microwarpdrive II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Core Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe Modal Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M Modal Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M Modal Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1 Ogre II x2
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Praxis Ginimic
Best Kept Frozen.
889
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Posted - 2015.06.11 21:18:47 -
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Brutus Utama has some good advice but his fitting advice wasn't very good at all (no offence Brutus). The vexor is a drone boat and doesn't need any weapons in the high slots. That freea up a lot of fitting space. You should be able to kite from far enough away with sentries that your tank is really just auxiliary.
This fit will do great against bloodraiders, sansha & serpentis but I would stay away from gurista & angels. Use something with a shield tank for them. Otherwise, just swap hardeners and drones as necessary. You should be able to drop the dc for another dda in most sites. Welcome to eve & good luck.
[Vexor, Vexor - Newbro HS] Damage Control II Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Medium Armor Repairer II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I Medium Peroxide Capacitor Power Cell Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Core Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe Drone Link Augmentor I [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Imperial Navy Curator x3 |
Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
423
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Posted - 2015.06.11 21:45:43 -
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The only reason to use a Stratios for exploration is the ability to fit a Cov Ops cloak, and the scanning bonus, neither of which are really necessary in highsec. It can only deploy 4 heavy or sentry drones where a Navy Vexor or Ishtar can deploy 5.
My advice? Get a Navy Vexor as soon as possible, and get all skills affecting your drone DPS to 4, then start taking them to 5.
VNI deploys 5 heavy or sentry drones to the Strat's 4 or Vexor's 3. It also gets a very nice tracking and speed bonus to all drones if you use something other than sentries. I ran Serpentis 4/10's for a bit with a VNI and was getting over 700 DPS easily. You can use either a passive shield tank or an active armor tank with specific hardeners and 3 drone damage mods in the lows. Use the VNI for awhile until you have the skills and ISK to upgrade to an Ishtar or Gila.
Of those 2 boats, the Ishtar is cheaper, has higher resists, and a wider drone selection but the Gila gets a better over-all tank and is probably better for removing unwanted guests from your site due to medium drones' superior mobility and damage application. (They will catch things and hit them much faster than heavy drones, and sentries struggle to hit targets with any transversal velocity)
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Pod Panik
United Allegiance of Undesirables
38
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Posted - 2015.06.11 22:28:21 -
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...the reason I stick with light drones is because i find that the applicability of damage from medium and especially heavy drones is very bad vs frigates and destroyers (and to some extent...cruisers). Those ships are the main opponents in high.
...the reason why i keep a cloak handy is for the low sec escalations. However, i could very well keep it in cargo and fit it when required. More dps then...
...and why lasers? Well i hunt in Amarr space and i don't want to carry ammo around. It takes cargo space for nothing. Plus, lasers are cool. I use missiles on my Rattlesnake for missions and its fine because you always have access to your stash in base so you only bring the minimal amount of ammo for the mission. But for exploration, i prefer not to have to carry anything.
Now. I see the recommendation for the Ishtar and I agree. Its probably the best ship for that. However I am weeks away from having all the required skills.
But i never considered the Navy Vexor...interesting. i may play with that a bit.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
424
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Posted - 2015.06.11 23:06:45 -
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Pod Panik wrote:...the reason I stick with light drones is because i find that the applicability of damage from medium and especially heavy drones is very bad vs frigates and destroyers (and to some extent...cruisers). Those ships are the main opponents in high.
...the reason why i keep a cloak handy is for the low sec escalations. However, i could very well keep it in cargo and fit it when required. More dps then...
...and why lasers? Well i hunt in Amarr space and i don't want to carry ammo around. It takes cargo space for nothing. Plus, lasers are cool. I use missiles on my Rattlesnake for missions and its fine because you always have access to your stash in base so you only bring the minimal amount of ammo for the mission. But for exploration, i prefer not to have to carry anything.
Now. I see the recommendation for the Ishtar and I agree. Its probably the best ship for that. However I am weeks away from having all the required skills.
But i never considered the Navy Vexor...interesting. i may play with that a bit.
Ps: why would the Ishtar be better then the Nvy vexor? Its 3x the price and requires a lot more training....
The Ishtar has almost double the drone bay size and very good resists against serpentis and guristas rats. 375m3 drone bay means you can pack a full set of heavies and sentries with room to spare for many flights of light and medium drones. But really, if you are not facing those factions, a VNI will perform just as well. I suspect you could gin up a pretty fearsome passive shield VNI especially if you shelled out the money for T2 rigs. And 125 bandwidth compared to the regular vexor's 75 is a huge improvement.
A VNI will murder 3 and 4/10's and higher DPS than a Stratios means faster completion and more ISK. Lowsec escalations can be pretty tough and require specific fits so I wouldn't worry about those just yet. Not to mention the risk of local miscreants trying to gank you.
Ishtar is still worth it when you can, built in thermal resist of 68 helps vs. Sansha and 5 mid slots makes it easier to shield tank, just remember to plug the EM hole.
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
1181
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Posted - 2015.06.12 18:20:02 -
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train for sentries, drop them 40km away from targets and start reading a book. If stuff get's close, pack up and MWD away and repeat. |
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
425
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Posted - 2015.06.13 20:47:10 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:train for sentries, drop them 40km away from targets and start reading a book. If stuff get's close, pack up and MWD away and repeat.
Sentry tracking and the Ishtar's sentry bonuses just got nuked.
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