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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
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Posted - 2015.06.15 22:30:07 -
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There are so many posts where pilots are honest about their lazyness and thus produce a lot of suggestions how to make the game process more and more semi-automated.
So i'm really wonder about this kind of current behaviour is that shows us that vets got tired or bored and their major wish to make most things an AFKailable or it's a new generaration who don't want to dive into the game procesess and learn those meta games? |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2015.06.15 22:37:34 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote: it's a new generaration who don't want to dive into the game procesess and learn those meta games?
Pretty much this. If the game cant play itself, or you cant buy your way into 'end game' content, then its hard to keep them entertained.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Kinete Jenius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2015.06.15 22:43:28 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Tiddle Jr wrote: it's a new generaration who don't want to dive into the game procesess and learn those meta games? Pretty much this. If the game cant play itself, or you cant buy your way into 'end game' content, then its hard to keep them entertained.
"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."
Plato Circa 400 BC
It's the same thing repeated over the past 3000 years. Every generation bemoans how the generation after them is lazy, unruly, etc.
Can we stop this silliness?
Besides the meta game in this game is nothing but drama queens trying to out drama each other. It's boring. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
236
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Posted - 2015.06.15 22:57:58 -
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You just confirmed the Plato's words. It is cute. |
Aza Ebanu
HC - Serenity
165
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Posted - 2015.06.16 00:12:52 -
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Well i wouldn't call it lazy, I'd call it math adverse. Funny thing is, people who play video games in RL for the amount of time it takes t be good in EVE are considered lazy by people who don't. Maybe I should tell them about all the hard work the video game takes..... |
Aerasia
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.06.16 01:31:50 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:There are so many posts where pilots are honest about their lazyness and thus produce a lot of suggestions how to make the game process more and more semi-automated. Why, in my day we had to make bookmarks for all the gates we wanted to go through. Both ways! And dad-gum we liked it that way. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.06.16 01:43:39 -
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Aerasia wrote:Tiddle Jr wrote:There are so many posts where pilots are honest about their lazyness and thus produce a lot of suggestions how to make the game process more and more semi-automated. Why, in my day we had to make bookmarks for all the gates we wanted to go through. Both ways! And dad-gum we liked it that way. I still make at least one and maybe more bookmarks for every gate. (Not warp to 0 but tacticals)
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1206
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Posted - 2015.06.16 02:15:35 -
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we've always been lazy, its just pesky ccp keeps changing things so we keep having to find new ways to be lazy. For years cap stable missile boats were the norm for pve, then missiles got changed, and we moved to cap injected. not sure if it happened at the same time or after, but then we moved to guns because of the instantly applied damage, and damage type not mattering quite as much, although there is preference for the mach as it can swap damage type to an extent. Drone boats got more interesting as drone mods are a thing now. plus with the gurista ships and the huge drone HP bonuses. The MJD was a huge boon to laziness! and auto-targeting missiles don't hit structures anymore.
I'm lazy and I'm making more isk than ever \o/
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Sietemaka Sevenfolde
Buddhist Enlightenment - New Tibet Trading Co.
0
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Posted - 2015.06.16 02:53:25 -
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Perhaps it's the height of "lazyness" not to spell check laziness. Irony, lost on the newer generations. |
Otso Bakarti
Filial Pariahs
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Posted - 2015.06.16 02:55:52 -
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Laziness in EVE, such as not being bothered to learn how to spell "laziness" before you use it. THAT kind of laziness?
People don't become someone else if they start playing a video game. They may think they do. They may wish they do. However, 9 out of 10 mental health professionals agree - you do not. That "one" plays video games, by the way.
If you're lazy coming in. You're gonna be lazy as you play. If you're tiresomely energetic...then yes, you'll be just as annoying to your fellow players as you are to your family members. Making an avatar and naming it something cool does not turn you into someone else.
IF you're lazy. You're lazy. If you're not. You're not. Remember. Ultimately, you're just moving a mouse around and clicking buttons while pounding keyboard keys. You're doing all this while SITTING IN A CHAIR. HOW much more LAZY can you GET?
You are NOT outside running an under four minute mile. You are not practicing your javelin. You are not even flying a KITE.
RIGHT?
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
381
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Posted - 2015.06.16 02:56:10 -
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Its human nature to micromanage things and become more and more efficient for less and less work involved over time. In this gap we consider our profits. If I am more efficient or do less work I can get paid more than another who isnt. Its something humanity as a whole is taught from birth really.
Then you add the fact that people get bored of grinding over time for goals, as in the beginning the grind was exciting in and of itself for some people, and instead just want the same isk, or more, as before while trying to find a way around DOING the work.
Ironically I think its part of the evolution of the meta atm. More and more people "being honest", or straight out "begging" in local. And if one does the herd is soon to follow and it has.
So no I dont think that people in game are actually less lazy, theyre just saying it more and its more apparent.
As for people not wanting to dive in and actually learn the game thats also a function of human nature. Ive had so many people say hey u know the game heres my toons API, just tell me what to train. Hey I want to be a PvP god!! Tell me how!! Rather than enjoying the learning process they really only have learned to enjoy the reward. To me this game has been solely about the journey and not the destination. Ive enjoyed diving in and getting dirty to learn the intricacies of how things interact but Ive come to realize that Im very much a minority in that case.
I think a lot of parents do this to their children too in RL. I made X and Y mistakes so Im going to shield my child from all of that, and buy them happiness and success. Helicopter parenting et al really. Forgetting that life is about making the mistakes and doing things rather than just looking at the answer in the back of the math textbook. In life you gotta show your work not just your answers. Its about the knowing the way to the right answer. Most people only want the right answer, and in Eve that is usually min/max be that PvE or PvP. Moar iskies!! or Moar killmails!! They dont want to know why X beats Y or why that market change happened. Because frankly thinking is hard, its time consuming and well people are lazy lol. Besides they got better things to do with their time than read or think or study.... drink beer, post **** gifs and talk **** about absolutely nothing with their buddies!!
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.06.16 02:57:39 -
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Sietemaka Sevenfolde wrote:Perhaps it's the height of "lazyness" not to spell check laziness. Irony, lost on the newer generations. It's in keeping with the thread:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Lazyness
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
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Posted - 2015.06.16 03:55:53 -
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At least someone spent somtime to go and check. So, definitely not a lazy person. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
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Posted - 2015.06.16 03:57:28 -
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At least someone spent somtime to go and check. So, definitely not a lazy person. |
Carrie-Anne Moss
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.06.16 04:01:07 -
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Its a freaking VIDEO GAME DUDE
I go to school I go to work I deal with my parents nagging I deal with my sexy ass smoking hot girlfriend nagging I go to work some more I go so some homework
Then i logon to play internet freaking spaceships with drones and laserbeams and make explosions.
You treat Mario or Madden Nfl or Halo like a job? No its a freaking passtime VIDEO GAME DUDE |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.16 04:24:42 -
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QFT she nags pretty bad.
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Arisidana
Amadari Traders
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Posted - 2015.06.16 04:25:37 -
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I'm even to lazy to log on. |
Vek Hareka
Fist Bumps All Around
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Posted - 2015.06.16 06:12:48 -
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It's in our nature, be it in a game or in real life, to try and make things easier for us.
That's how we survive, how we evolve. That's were progress comes from: hard work so that we don't have to work hard anymore. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
237
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Posted - 2015.06.16 07:04:09 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Its a freaking VIDEO GAME DUDE
I go to school I go to work I deal with my parents nagging I deal with my sexy ass smoking hot girlfriend nagging I go to work some more I go so some homework
Then i logon to play internet freaking spaceships with drones and laserbeams and make explosions.
You treat Mario or Madden Nfl or Halo like a job? No its a freaking passtime VIDEO GAME DUDE
Calm down, it's just a video game. |
Beta Maoye
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Posted - 2015.06.16 07:16:39 -
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I think they should keep fleetwarp to probe results and bookmarks. Furthermore, they should add two more fleet functions, fleettargetting and fleetF1. Then Eve will be a perfect game for me. |
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HeXxploiT
Big Diggers Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2015.06.16 07:42:09 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:There are so many posts where pilots are honest about their lazyness and thus produce a lot of suggestions how to make the game process more and more semi-automated.
So i'm really wonder about this kind of current behaviour is that shows us that vets got tired or bored and their major wish to make most things an AFKailable or it's a new generaration who don't want to dive into the game procesess and learn those meta games?
A very good question. I believe if one were to really get down the the root of the problem it's that everyone has great dreams in eve but something is in the way of that dream and it is, for whatever reason, currently unobtainable. There is no getting bored in eve there is only "how do I get there from here?" and in the meantime one 'ship spins'. |
Arisidana
Amadari Traders
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Posted - 2015.06.16 07:43:28 -
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Beta Maoye wrote:I think they should keep fleetwarp to probe results and bookmarks. Furthermore, they should add two more fleet functions, fleettargetting and fleetF1. Then Eve will be a perfect game for me.
Not to forget fleet gate jump and fleet un/dock |
Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
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Posted - 2015.06.16 09:05:06 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:There are so many posts where pilots are honest about their lazyness and thus produce a lot of suggestions how to make the game process more and more semi-automated.
So i'm really wonder about this kind of current behaviour is that shows us that vets got tired or bored and their major wish to make most things an AFKailable or it's a new generaration who don't want to dive into the game procesess and learn those meta games?
Most people really aren't that intelligent and most certainly aren't that good at EVE, they will mask it by glorifying laziness and stupid stuff. It allows them to look cool while not actually having to do something because it would out them for being ****.
On top of that we have Generation Zero Accomplishment. |
Portiko
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.06.16 09:10:39 -
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People never used to be lazy until goons came along |
Mr Duffo
Operation Meatshield
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Posted - 2015.06.16 09:32:25 -
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Im lazy I rarely go roam anymore. I just sit in fw plex and wait someone to come fight me. Long live caldari
Also players are getting old which means less play time so don't want to waste time on grinding that much anymore. Short cuts like buying plex is great choise for this kind of people |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
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Posted - 2015.06.16 09:42:17 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Tiddle Jr wrote: it's a new generaration who don't want to dive into the game procesess and learn those meta games? Pretty much this. If the game cant play itself, or you cant buy your way into 'end game' content, then its hard to keep them entertained.
no, the people are just getting tired of doing boring things over and over again
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.06.16 10:29:33 -
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Harry Forever wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Pretty much this. If the game cant play itself, or you cant buy your way into 'end game' content, then its hard to keep them entertained. no, the people are just getting tired of doing boring things over and over again Seems pretty crazy to do something boring even once, let alone over and over.
Why would anyone do that instead of having fun in the game instead?
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
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Posted - 2015.06.16 10:44:53 -
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Portiko wrote:...until goons came along
This comment became a bad joke since 200... |
Portiko
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.06.16 11:15:02 -
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Oh I'm very sorry, would you feel better if I deleted my post? |
Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
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Posted - 2015.06.16 11:58:02 -
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Beta Maoye wrote:I think they should keep fleetwarp to probe results and bookmarks. Furthermore, they should add two more fleet functions, fleettargetting and fleetF1. Then Eve will be a perfect game for me.
that sounds pretty poopy without fleetanchor
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