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Kazuo Ishiguro Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2006.11.24 15:11:00 - [1] I'm thinking of things along the lines of faction/officer modules or implants, so probably not more than about 150m^3 of items at a time in total, when it becomes difficult to find people willing to pay sufficient collateral and expensive to pay them to courier the items for you. I'm mainly interested in high-sec hauling, or from low sec to high sec. My first guess would be a covert ops frigate, but I'd like to hear people's comments on less skill-intensive alternatives. Apart from Chribba's preferred method, that is... ---------- An idea for helping people to appreciate ECCM
St Dragon Blood Association of Dragons	Posted - 2006.11.24 15:12:00 - [2] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro I'm thinking of things along the lines of faction/officer modules or implants, so probably not more than about 150m^3 of items at a time in total, when it becomes difficult to find people willing to pay sufficient collateral and expensive to pay them to courier the items for you. I'm mainly interested in high-sec hauling, or from low sec to high sec. My first guess would be a covert ops frigate, but I'd like to hear people's comments on less skill-intensive alternatives. Apart from Chribba's preferred method, that is... Try a covert ops frigate with a tech 2 cloaking device. ----------------------------------------------- "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
ScreamingLord Sutch	Posted - 2006.11.24 15:20:00 - [3] Edited by: ScreamingLord Sutch on 24/11/2006 15:20:30 Use a battleship if it's a highsec route. It will be hard to suicide gank by anything other than a large co-ordinated group.
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2006.11.24 15:25:00 - [4] As far as high sec goes, it's worth the time to insta the route, and test it, before you load your items. The use of instas pretty much guarantees you will make it through high sec whatever ship you choose. Your most vulnerable part is your alignment before warping to the next gate, so try to stick a moderately quick and small vehicle, maybe a Condor or Kestrel if you're Caldari. Secondly, tell noone. Not even the best friend you've had for the last 7 years. Nobody. Thirdly, and this might help with the low sec part. Make your run 10 seconds after downtime. As little as 5 minutes after downtime, and the low sec gate gankers are likely to be back in place. Lastly, don't post on the forums that you are going to be moving high value items some time soon. Dude, leave those items where they are for the next 3 months at least. Some people, perhaps many people, will follow your movements from now until eternity after reading it. I hope you posted with an alt. Me and my corp are totally pro. Really uber and evryfink. We do C4mpz0rs! UUUuuber
slothe Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.11.24 15:32:00 - [5] Edited by: slothe on 24/11/2006 15:34:57 use at2 exchequer , oneiros http://www.eve-online.com/itemdatabase/ships/logistics/gallente/11989.asp highs small rails 125 and whatever else you can fit fit mid slot mwd, em shield hardner t2, and rest large shield extenders t2 lows 4x named wcs drones whatever medium / light. you get around 6k shields with decent resists, 4 wcs, fast ship, excellent agility. i use this all the time to fly from empire 30 jumps into 0.0, pickup faction loot and fly back. flown thru gate camps, been attacked, survived everything. it is a touch skill intensive but not as much as a covert ops ship. but the ship only costs around 20-30 mill nad doesnt need a cloak that costs over 50 mill.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.24 15:33:00 - [6] Viator. 3x Nanofiber 10mn MWD -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
turnschuh Eye of God	Posted - 2006.11.24 15:42:00 - [7] vagabond with 3xlarge shield ext, 5xnanos and 10mn mwd
Laythun Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.24 15:43:00 - [8] omg. just a flipping cruiser, 1600mm plate and nanos. bingo. CEI's own Undercover Brother It's great being Amarr, aint it?Ö
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.11.24 15:44:00 - [9] Huge value high sec hauling, solo, you do it in a battleship. Plated, with instas. Most of the time though, you want instas and a plated Claw (400mm, damage control, 2 nanos). Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Sebastien LeReparteur Minmatar SpaceTravelers Freelance Corp	Posted - 2006.11.24 15:54:00 - [10] Edited by: Sebastien LeReparteur on 24/11/2006 15:56:55 lol Claw 10mwd (named or t2 even better) hull conversion all the low slot. I would be surprised anything could catch you. at 5k m/s I would not even bother with the instas... with auto pilot this poppy takes 3 sec to close in on the gate and instant gate jump no need to go clicky just make sure you hit mwd as soon as you get out of warp.
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.11.24 15:58:00 - [11] Originally by: Sebastien LeReparteur lol Claw 10mwd (named or t2 even better) hull conversion all the low slot. WTB: Grid. Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
Kylania Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.24 16:00:00 - [12] I'll go with "not letting everyone know you're about to". :) -- Lil Miner Newbie Skills Roadmap \| CCG Card Lookup
Zarch AlDain The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.11.24 16:00:00 - [13] Assault Frigates and Intercepters are both nice as well. Covops for 0.0 - or even better an AF/Intie with covops scout. Zarch AlDain
Sebastien LeReparteur Minmatar SpaceTravelers Freelance Corp	Posted - 2006.11.24 16:02:00 - [14] Originally by: Verus Potestas Originally by: Sebastien LeReparteur lol Claw 10mwd (named or t2 even better) hull conversion all the low slot. WTB: Grid. rofl typo 1MWD man can't even start to imagine the speed that puppy would get qith a 10MWD!!!!
Varrakk Chosen Path	Posted - 2006.11.24 16:33:00 - [15] Freighters, they can't drop loop. Gotta be a serious gang killing it before Concord deals with them. No profits engaging a Freigher
Big Al The Aftermath	Posted - 2006.11.24 16:42:00 - [16] High sec: Plated out battleship, instas not required. or Anything that alligns quick + instas, the danger here is a black screen out of say, jita 4 while your invuln timer runs out, some bastard decides to suicide a battleship with smartbombs and you die. Then you get to wait a month for the "logs don't show anything" A similar thing could happen if they were looking for you, disposable destroyers will easily gank a fragile frigate under the guns. or Freighter for now til they make them drop loot, then you can bet they will be getting suicided by raven gank squads. Low sec: Disposable alt scout + cov ops + cov ops cloak covers you pretty well. or Carrier jump it into a backwater low sec system. Kill a farmer, win some isk!
Abriana Overlord Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.24 16:45:00 - [17] Use a force recon, travel cloaked on instas, falcon is a good bet
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.24 17:11:00 - [18] Edited by: Sakura Nihil on 24/11/2006 17:13:54 What kind of volume are we talking about here? If its <100 m^3, I'd recommend an interceptor - nothing says "**** you gankers!" like them seeing a Curse BPO go by at 4 km/s. If its bigger, say 150-500 m^3, and really valuable, say like a few hundred mil, I'd go tanked BS, preferably with instas just to be very safe, but even without them you'd be fine.
Kazuo Ishiguro Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2006.11.24 17:17:00 - [19] Originally by: Kylania I'll go with "not letting everyone know you're about to". :) If I did anything with this character, I'd probably go for something with a Covert Ops Cloak. Otherwise, I will naturally be using an alt I like the idea of an Oneiros for this sort of thing, I have to admit, but it would take longer to train for that. 200m^3 of goodies in a Cheetah is easily enough. Apart from not bumping into things, is there anything useful to know about when attempting to get a covert ops frigate through a gatecamp? ---------- An idea for helping people to appreciate ECCM
Fubear Vogon Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.11.24 17:29:00 - [20] Executioner, 2x Nanos, 1x MWD, 1x Cap Recharger Takes about 30 mins to train Amarr Frigate II to use, goes at 3KM/sec, aligns and warps faster than anything in the game can lock you, and only costs between 100-200K to buy and fit. With instas (or Revs Warp to 0), nothing will be able to lock you to scan you in the first place. I use them for playing with people who attempt to highsec gank by can stealing.
Mort Sinious	Posted - 2006.11.24 17:29:00 - [21] Yes, practice timing of activating/deactivating the cloak in just the right moment. Sounds easy, and only get's you another split second, but this split second can safe your ship.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.24 17:41:00 - [22] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 24/11/2006 17:42:24 Edited by: Rod Blaine on 24/11/2006 17:41:43 High sec route ? A freighter. It's got the most hitpoints, so many you'd need an alliance fleet to take it down before concord wtfbbq's your gang, and it doesn't drop loot, removing the most obvious motivation for anyone trying in the first place. Low sec route ? either nanod vaga, oneiros, covops, or inty. Old blog
Quibbles	Posted - 2006.11.24 17:49:00 - [23] Viator all the way...stack it full of nanofibers and with the already +2 WCS installed on the ship you can say see ya! Quibbles and bits...but not my bits, your bits.
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.24 17:51:00 - [24] Edited by: Sakura Nihil on 24/11/2006 17:51:14 To sum up the answers: - Speed, an interceptor if you can use one, or one of the tier2 fast frigates (atron, slasher, executioner, condor) with nanos and MWD - Tanks or hitpoints, a freighter, tanked BS, or T2 indy ftw here - Stealth, covops frigate All of these are really valid, it just depends on the circumstances to determine which one is best for you.
Adoro adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.24 17:52:00 - [25] Vagabond...no one will kill you... --------
Fredou Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2006.11.24 18:02:00 - [26] 400m¦, 480m¦ with cans --- Don't forget to check my current Escrow!
Za Po Caldari	Posted - 2006.11.24 18:22:00 - [27] In low-sec, probably a covert ops. Or something with a jump drive - why fear gate camps, if you don't use gates? In hi-sec, there are a plethora of options. With small items, there are so many that I can't help laughing whenever I read someone whining about hi-sec suicide gankers stealing his BPOs. Basically, pick anything that has enough cargo and can't be one-volleyed by a few battleships. Plenty of T1 ships fit the bill. With large items, the principle is the same, but there aren't that many tough ships with 10K+ cargo space, and none of them is terribly cheap. But you would be a fool to be cheap on the ship you're using to carry billions. So use a freighter or a T2 hauler.
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.24 18:24:00 - [28] 0.0 and lowsec, yup, carriers. Okay, I'm going to stop whoring this thread now, let's just say there are plenty of ways to protect your goods, so if I see you whining about getting suicide ganked in a few days, I'm going to link you back to this thread and laugh .
Grez Minmatar The Raven Warriors	Posted - 2006.11.24 18:25:00 - [29] Originally by: Sakura Nihil Edited by: Sakura Nihil on 24/11/2006 17:13:54 What kind of volume are we talking about here? If its <100 m^3, I'd recommend an interceptor - nothing says "**** you gankers!" like them seeing a Curse BPO go by at 4 km/s. If its bigger, say 150-500 m^3, and really valuable, say like a few hundred mil, I'd go tanked BS, preferably with instas just to be very safe, but even without them you'd be fine. Crusader with two nano's, two wcs's and a named MWD = the win. --- Cache Clearer Still waiting for a Wrangler-edit!
Eudyptes sclateri	Posted - 2006.11.24 18:31:00 - [30] Originally by: slothe Edited by: slothe on 24/11/2006 15:34:57 use at2 exchequer , oneiros http://www.eve-online.com/itemdatabase/ships/logistics/gallente/11989.asp highs small rails 125 and whatever else you can fit fit mid slot mwd, em shield hardner t2, and rest large shield extenders t2 lows 4x named wcs drones whatever medium / light. you get around 6k shields with decent resists, 4 wcs, fast ship, excellent agility. i use this all the time to fly from empire 30 jumps into 0.0, pickup faction loot and fly back. flown thru gate camps, been attacked, survived everything. it is a touch skill intensive but not as much as a covert ops ship. but the ship only costs around 20-30 mill nad doesnt need a cloak that costs over 50 mill. Holy crap, a use for a logistics ship? __________________________________________________ Ever notice that people who say "problem solved" seem to have the worst ideas?

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