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Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 2914	Posted - 2015.06.22 16:06:51 - [1] - Quote CCP Rise wrote: First of all, the Ishtar. -1 mid slot, +1 low slot This is something that some of us were suggesting from the first set of balance changes of the Ishtar. Glad to see if finally happened. +1 CCP Rise wrote: Next up, Drone Damage Amplifiers Drone Damage Amplifier I - 15% (was 16%) Drone Damage Amplifier II - 20.5% (was 23%) Dread Guristas Drone Damage Amplifier - 23.8% (was 25.8%) Federation Navy Drone Damage Amplifier - 23.8% (was 25.8%) Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier - 23.8% (was 25.8%) Sentient Drone Damage Amplifier - 23.8% (was 25.8%) Unit D-34343's Modified Drone Damage Amplifier - 24.5% (was (26.5%) Unit F-435454's Modified Drone Damage Amplifier - 25.15% (was 27.15%) Unit P-343554's Modified Drone Damage Amplifier - 25.8% (was 27.8%) Unit W-634's Modified Drone Damage Amplifier - 26.5% (was 28.5%) Knee jerking reaction was rage, but I calmed down a little bit and looking at it, it is not that bad and drone ships are in a powerful position and this will not hurt them all too much so a reluctant +1 for this also. Roleplaying Trinkets for Explorers and Collectors
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 2914	Posted - 2015.06.22 16:13:49 - [2] - Quote Canon Makanen wrote: Because now it is almost impossible to use shield tank. That is the point. Shield Ishtar = OP Ishtar. Roleplaying Trinkets for Explorers and Collectors
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 2915	Posted - 2015.06.22 16:35:34 - [3] - Quote battle Barviainen wrote: Yeah remove the sentry bonuses from it and let it keep the current slot layout If the slot layout is kept the same then people would just start to complain about brawling Ishtars with 5 heavy drones and 4 DDAs instead. Roleplaying Trinkets for Explorers and Collectors
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 2915	Posted - 2015.06.22 17:47:41 - [4] - Quote MeBiatch wrote: ccp rise is bad at whacking... tried to whack the Ishtar ended up whacking all drones ships But then wrote: leaving the Ishtar untouched... This doesn't seem possible. Roleplaying Trinkets for Explorers and Collectors
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 2916	Posted - 2015.06.22 18:09:05 - [5] - Quote MeBiatch wrote: Omnathious Deninard wrote: MeBiatch wrote: ccp rise is bad at whacking... tried to whack the Ishtar ended up whacking all drones ships But then wrote: leaving the Ishtar untouched... This doesn't seem possible. ishtar is dominate due to its sentries and range... they pretty much left that untouched. refocus the ishtar to a heavy drone ship... if you want to pigion hole it to armor... give it an armor repping bonus instead of drone activation range. It doesn't need to be a heavy drone focused ship, we already have the EOS for that. The Ishtar should be as it would seem to be given the progression of its race, an armor tanked T2 drone cruiser. It now has the low slots for armor tank, the sentry damage or projection bonus could leave. Removing the control range would be a benefit, no more free DLA that could be replaced with a tank bonus but traditionally there is only one HAC that gets a tank bonus and the Deimos got that. Roleplaying Trinkets for Explorers and Collectors
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 2925	Posted - 2015.06.23 11:41:52 - [6] - Quote For those who cry the Ishtar should just be a medium drone ship, 5 Hammerhead IIs on a 50% bonused ship will only out DPS high damage heavy missiles on a 5% bonused ship. Every other weapon system using 5 units with a 5% damage bonus will out damage 5 Hammerhead IIs which get a 50% damage bonus. Edit: Used a Gnosis as the testing ship, and remember Hammerheads are high damage drones so use the appropriate charges if you want to see the exact numbers. Roleplaying Trinkets for Explorers and Collectors
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 2926	Posted - 2015.06.23 16:54:05 - [7] - Quote You could always make Sentries "not a drone" similar to how fighters and fighter bombers used to be not drones. Then anything that doesn't specifically state that it benefits Sentries then it doesn't. Roleplaying Trinkets for Explorers and Collectors
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 2928	Posted - 2015.06.24 11:27:01 - [8] - Quote CCP Rise, after looking at some fits and comparing old Ishtar to proposed Ishtar here are my thoughts. Consider moving 200 Shield HP to Armor HP Remove the Sentry Damage and HP bonus from the ship. Leave the Powergrid at 780 Roleplaying Trinkets for Explorers and Collectors
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 2930	Posted - 2015.06.24 13:39:04 - [9] - Quote I like how this went from discussion about the changes of the Ishtar to crying about PVE which is very rarely considered for balance changes. Roleplaying Trinkets for Explorers and Collectors
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 2931	Posted - 2015.06.26 11:04:16 - [10] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: And people are just ignoreing his job. What would you put in place of the ishtar bonuses? Come on, find me 4 relevant bonus to put on the ishtar that do not make it a split weapon system (That would make peopel whine as well). His job is not easy! Very True Kagura Nikon wrote: THe only good solution someone gave was to create MEDIUM sentry drones with 10M bandwidth. Then reduce the bandwidth of all ISHTAR/navy vezor hulls to 50. Then make its base drone bonus increase a lot for medium drones (to keep almost same DPS with non sentries) and put the other bonuses on the new medium sentries, that can be balanced to compete with MEDIUM SIZED GUNS. The problem i see with this, is they would need a 30% damage buff per level to maintain there current DPS, and cruiser sized sentries with a 30% damage buff would put medium range engagements in a worse place than they are now. Roleplaying Trinkets for Explorers and Collectors

Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 2931	Posted - 2015.06.26 14:07:33 - [11] - Quote The shield Ishtar was OP, being able to fit 3~4 DDAs and a DC then have 5 mids for shield tank and prop mod. Roleplaying Trinkets for Explorers and Collectors
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 2931	Posted - 2015.06.26 18:13:37 - [12] - Quote Jeremiah Saken wrote: Kagura Nikon wrote: At least you cared to make a proposal. But look how non elegant it becomes with basically alist of several exceptions glued together. The problem is that they simply cannot make 4 reasonable and at same time generic bonuses for drones without making the ship OP. I probably would remove the sentry bonus completely and replace it for a large bonus to ewar drones. They are almsot not used.. so at least might change something. The only ship that should ever get sentry bonus shoudl be the domi on my opinion. Problem with balancing Ishtar is nonequal bonuses with other HACs. All have 2+2 and role bouns, Ishtar has 3+2 and role bonus, Rise don't want to remove sentries from this cruiser but it has great range and tracking with them. So Gallente Cruiser skill bonus per level: 7.5% Heavy Drone max velocity and tracking speed 10% bonus to Light Drone, Medium Drone, and Heavy Drone hitpoints and damage Heavy Assault Cruisers skill bonus per level: 5% bonus to Sentry Drone hitpoints and damage 4% to armor resistances (it may be too good with slots switching) Sentries will loose range and tracking but still be usefull. Good concept except Gallente doesn't get armor resistance bonuses for it's racial tanking bonus. Trade that for a 4% hull resistance like Kagura said and we might have a fun ship. It would need to stay 4/4/6 though. Roleplaying Trinkets for Explorers and Collectors
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 2932	Posted - 2015.06.28 14:24:24 - [13] - Quote I can put a single sentry drone on my Tristan, it now has a "battleship weapon" with a 10% tracking bonus also. Death to the Tristan 10% tracking buff. Roleplaying Trinkets for Explorers and Collectors
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 2950	Posted - 2015.07.04 19:38:54 - [14] - Quote Ordala wrote: CCP Rise wrote: One more post for the Aegis release covering a couple more small balance changes. rly? small? LOL u guys rly know what you do? At this point you guys have to think about a refund of SP or total redesign of drones not only one nerf after another! Ppl spend lifetime to skill drones and stomp it to the ground. Had nearly max drone skills since before DDAs were around and most drones modules only had T1 versions. PVE drones were only Gallente drones and PVP drones were only Minmatar drones. This is a small Nerf to drones overall , and we finally get an armor Ishtar. Roleplaying Trinkets for Explorers and Collectors
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 2954	Posted - 2015.07.07 13:25:59 - [15] - Quote Keep crying, I have lots of drones that need washed. Roleplaying Trinkets for Explorers and Collectors
Omnathious Deninard Novis Initiis 2955	Posted - 2015.07.09 11:00:36 - [16] - Quote As I said earlier in the thread, the Ishtar needed to lose a few hundred shield HP and gain some armor HP. Roleplaying Trinkets for Explorers and Collectors

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