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Shin Mai
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Posted - 2006.11.25 13:31:00 -
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Blasters are short range weapons and u should not be able to shoot perfectly at 20km, 5-10 km is shortrange, and in this range they should be the best weapons.
And if a Hyp loose a battle against a rook in short range something is really wrong...
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murder one
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.25 14:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Shin Mai
Blasters are short range weapons and u should not be able to shoot perfectly at 20km, 5-10 km is shortrange, and in this range they should be the best weapons.
And if a Hyp loose a battle against a rook in short range something is really wrong...
Now you've done it. Get ready to be flamed... 
Because I said so...
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Doc Extropy
Gallente
Cradle of Freedom Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.25 14:38:00 -
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I fully agree with the opinion that the Rokh is massively overpowered and renders at least the Megathron obsolete. It, on the other hand, can't do that to the Hyperion, because the Hyperion is obsolete anyway. 
Originally by: Fortior
Good things come to those who persevere.
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Kiyano
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Posted - 2006.11.25 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Doc Extropy
I fully agree with the opinion that the Rokh is massively overpowered and renders at least the Megathron obsolete. It, on the other hand, can't do that to the Hyperion, because the Hyperion is obsolete anyway.
Nobody even mentioned the Rokh here lol, he said Rook. Sure the Rokh has the range but it doesn't have the damage, I don't think the Hyperion is obsolete but its a bit silly to have to pay that much for a ship thats only slightly different and not much better.
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Doc Extropy
Gallente
Cradle of Freedom Inc.
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Posted - 2006.11.25 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kiyano
Originally by: Doc Extropy
I fully agree with the opinion that the Rokh is massively overpowered and renders at least the Megathron obsolete. It, on the other hand, can't do that to the Hyperion, because the Hyperion is obsolete anyway.
Nobody even mentioned the Rokh here lol, he said Rook. Sure the Rokh has the range but it doesn't have the damage, I don't think the Hyperion is obsolete but its a bit silly to have to pay that much for a ship thats only slightly different and not much better.
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Originally by: Fortior
Good things come to those who persevere.
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murder one
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.25 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kiyano
Originally by: Doc Extropy
I fully agree with the opinion that the Rokh is massively overpowered and renders at least the Megathron obsolete. It, on the other hand, can't do that to the Hyperion, because the Hyperion is obsolete anyway.
Nobody even mentioned the Rokh here lol, he said Rook. Sure the Rokh has the range but it doesn't have the damage, I don't think the Hyperion is obsolete but its a bit silly to have to pay that much for a ship thats only slightly different and not much better.
Now that he edited his post, guess you're pwned.
Because I said so...
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Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2006.11.25 15:07:00 -
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Forget blasters. With the HP increase, blaster setups have become all but obsolete. The short range T2 ammo nerf was just the final nail in the coffin.
I've read threads about Gallente now being overpowered. Let's see; drones are still buggily implemented, and blasters don't kill ships in time anymore.
I guess Gallente still have a good mining ship in the Brutix.
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Shin Mai
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Posted - 2006.11.25 15:15:00 -
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but every ship should be playable, and if u decrease the blaster dmg and inrease the shield, blasters are useless, why not give the hyp more grid, less dronebay, to make a good blastership, and t2 ammo should not be changed, with this changes blasterboats are useless 
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Mar Idoun
Aurora Empire
Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
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Posted - 2006.11.25 15:28:00 -
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all ships get the HP boost, even the blaster boats. If that doesn't work itself out the devs will in the future.
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murder one
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.25 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Mar Idoun
all ships get the HP boost, even the blaster boats. If that doesn't work itself out the devs will in the future.
No it won't. Look at the Deimos...
Because I said so...
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Scorched Evil
The Silent Rage
YouWhat
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Posted - 2006.11.25 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Now you've done it. Get ready to be flamed...
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Asariasha
Caldari
Cataclysm Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.25 18:20:00 -
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Go and learn on how to use your Mega as blaster boat.
Fit speed modules, go to your opti range and orbit a
Rokh at for Battleships high speeds.
Also please make sure you have understood which features
Kali will add. There are Rigs to even more specialize
your ship. So, fit for example speed rigs. In addition
to maybe an inertia stabilizer you should get orbiting
speeds in which YOU can hit with 7.5%/lvl tracking bonus
while the Rokh will hardly be able to hit you.
PS.: All that noobish opinions without taking a picture
on the whole becomes disgusting and I hope the DEVs know
that 90% of whinethreads are based on half-knowledge and
TQ fittings
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murder one
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.25 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Asariasha
Go and learn on how to use your Mega as blaster boat.
Fit speed modules, go to your opti range and orbit a
Rokh at for Battleships high speeds.
Also please make sure you have understood which features
Kali will add. There are Rigs to even more specialize
your ship. So, fit for example speed rigs. In addition
to maybe an inertia stabilizer you should get orbiting
speeds in which YOU can hit with 7.5%/lvl tracking bonus
while the Rokh will hardly be able to hit you.
PS.: All that noobish opinions without taking a picture
on the whole becomes disgusting and I hope the DEVs know
that 90% of whinethreads are based on half-knowledge and
TQ fittings
LOL!!!! you talk about half-knowledge etc. and speak of orbiting with battleship sized blasters?!?! Are you insane? The sheer idiocy of thinking that would actually work just boggles the mind.
Because I said so...
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Kristoffer
Amarr
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2006.11.25 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Asariasha
Go and learn on how to use your Mega as blaster boat.
Fit speed modules, go to your opti range and orbit a
Rokh at for Battleships high speeds.
Also please make sure you have understood which features
Kali will add. There are Rigs to even more specialize
your ship. So, fit for example speed rigs. In addition
to maybe an inertia stabilizer you should get orbiting
speeds in which YOU can hit with 7.5%/lvl tracking bonus
while the Rokh will hardly be able to hit you.
PS.: All that noobish opinions without taking a picture
on the whole becomes disgusting and I hope the DEVs know
that 90% of whinethreads are based on half-knowledge and
TQ fittings
Thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
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Asariasha
Caldari
Cataclysm Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.25 18:31:00 -
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Have you tried ?
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murder one
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.25 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Asariasha
Have you tried ?
I know enough about the game not to. Do you just run missions or manufacture in Jita or something?
Because I said so...
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Asariasha
Caldari
Cataclysm Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.25 18:37:00 -
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So maybe you know that with Revelations the whole gameplay
changes. Especially the rigs will enable to suit
your ship for even more specialized roles.
Im sorry that I havent got a complete list of
possible rigs, but maybe there are rigs which enhance
your tracking. Add this + speed rig + speed fitting
and test it out before complaining that something is
impossible which you havent tested, yet.
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murder one
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.25 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Asariasha
So maybe you know that with Revelations the whole gameplay
changes. Especially the rigs will enable to suit
your ship for even more specialized roles.
Im sorry that I havent got a complete list of
possible rigs, but maybe there are rigs which enhance
your tracking. Add this + speed rig + speed fitting
and test it out before complaining that something is
impossible which you havent tested, yet.
If you knew anything about the game's mechanics and how the guns work you would know that it's completely worthless and a huge waste of time to even bother testing your 'brilliant idea'. Please stop talking.
Because I said so...
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Asariasha
Caldari
Cataclysm Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.25 18:50:00 -
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Well the world is a plate, right?
I honor those pilots who run experiments
on fittings and come out with a future
fotm setup.
I guess your not such a pilot 
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murder one
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.25 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Asariasha
Well the world is a plate, right?
I honor those pilots who run experiments
on fittings and come out with a future
fotm setup.
I guess your not such a pilot
I probably experiment more than 99% of the players in Eve.
Allow me to explain why your idea won't work-
Large Blaster tracking is so horrible that if you have *any* transverse at all, you're going to miss. A battleship is *not* an interceptor with little guns that can track a target while orbiting. If you want to hit you need to stay as still as possible. By the time You're moving around a Rokh fast enough for his blasters to miss, yours will miss too, regardless of what kind of tracking bonus you may posess.
So, the funny part about all of this is that there are a bunch of players that are going to read this and laugh at you for continuing to insist that this is a viable tactic to use against a Rokh, when in fact it is quite possibly one of the worst ideas of all time.
Because I said so...
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Asariasha
Caldari
Cataclysm Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.25 19:21:00 -
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Following your opinion this would mean that a tracking bonus
is completely worthless.
The tracking of large weapons is horrible, right. But
I don't suppose to orbit a victim on frigate-speeds.
So, if you find out the optimal speed for orbiting your
opponent he will hardly hit you especially when you use
rigs and so on.
The "window" for an effective BS-BS orbiting speed
is small but can be optimized with Kali features.
Of course you can still claim that all this isnt possible,
but until you don't try it all this here is nothing more
than a discussion about which ice cream is the most delicious 
because he said so ... or was it because whining is easier huh
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Syris Anu
Evolutionary Pressure
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Posted - 2006.11.25 20:00:00 -
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Regarding the tracking issue, although I agree some tests might be warranted regarding the Rokh tracking, in general I think that putting further tracking penalties on the tech II Void and Null ammo effectively makes the Mega a one-bonus battleship, as I said here.
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Pattern Clarc
The Priory
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Posted - 2006.11.25 20:27:00 -
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Edited by: Pattern Clarc on 25/11/2006 20:27:57
Originally by: Asariasha
Following your opinion this would mean that a tracking bonus
is completely worthless.
The tracking of large weapons is horrible, right. But
I don't suppose to orbit a victim on frigate-speeds.
So, if you find out the optimal speed for orbiting your
opponent he will hardly hit you especially when you use
rigs and so on.
The "window" for an effective BS-BS orbiting speed
is small but can be optimized with Kali features.
Of course you can still claim that all this isnt possible,
but until you don't try it all this here is nothing more
than a discussion about which ice cream is the most delicious
because he said so ... or was it because whining is easier huh
how the **** do you orbit when your usualy webbed? and using ammo with 50%-75% less tracking than antimatter? go back to jita fool
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Asariasha
Caldari
Cataclysm Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.25 20:38:00 -
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Maybe then you should experiment with ammo that has no
tracking penalty? Oh hmm, but this would mean less dmg.
But wouldnt it be better to be able to hit your target
instead of missing?
About the webbing. Yes this would be an issue, but a
Rokh using med slots for EW will not have an unbreakable
tank.
The unbreakable tank pilots on SiSi usually fit all meds
and lows only for shield tanking and to be honest. The
fittings on SiSi are most of the time extreme setups
which you will never ever see on TQ due to the lack of
versatility.
These fittings usually mean a distortion of how the
ships actually will work on TQ and are the reason for
all our whines
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murder one
Gallente
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.11.25 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Asariasha
Maybe then you should experiment with ammo that has no
tracking penalty? Oh hmm, but this would mean less dmg.
But wouldnt it be better to be able to hit your target
instead of missing?
About the webbing. Yes this would be an issue, but a
Rokh using med slots for EW will not have an unbreakable
tank.
The unbreakable tank pilots on SiSi usually fit all meds
and lows only for shield tanking and to be honest. The
fittings on SiSi are most of the time extreme setups
which you will never ever see on TQ due to the lack of
versatility.
These fittings usually mean a distortion of how the
ships actually will work on TQ and are the reason for
all our whines
I don't care what ammo you put in what large guns, if you're orbiting, you're going to miss, no matter how many tracking computers etc. you pile on the ship. And Clarc brought up another good point. Unless you have a faction web, you're going to be webbed yourself and not do much orbiting at all.
Because I said so...
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Kiyano
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Posted - 2006.11.26 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Kiyano
Originally by: Doc Extropy
I fully agree with the opinion that the Rokh is massively overpowered and renders at least the Megathron obsolete. It, on the other hand, can't do that to the Hyperion, because the Hyperion is obsolete anyway.
Nobody even mentioned the Rokh here lol, he said Rook. Sure the Rokh has the range but it doesn't have the damage, I don't think the Hyperion is obsolete but its a bit silly to have to pay that much for a ship thats only slightly different and not much better.
Now that he edited his post, guess you're pwned.
Yes... i'm pwned because a guy can't spell...
Regarding the thread, if you're in a Hyperion and you can't beat a Rokh using blasters with the same amount of SP in the ship setups then you're doing something wrong, simple as that.
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Jack Nodeal
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Posted - 2006.11.26 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: murder one
Originally by: Asariasha
Maybe then you should experiment with ammo that has no
tracking penalty? Oh hmm, but this would mean less dmg.
But wouldnt it be better to be able to hit your target
instead of missing?
About the webbing. Yes this would be an issue, but a
Rokh using med slots for EW will not have an unbreakable
tank.
The unbreakable tank pilots on SiSi usually fit all meds
and lows only for shield tanking and to be honest. The
fittings on SiSi are most of the time extreme setups
which you will never ever see on TQ due to the lack of
versatility.
These fittings usually mean a distortion of how the
ships actually will work on TQ and are the reason for
all our whines
I don't care what ammo you put in what large guns, if you're orbiting, you're going to miss, no matter how many tracking computers etc. you pile on the ship. And Clarc brought up another good point. Unless you have a faction web, you're going to be webbed yourself and not do much orbiting at all.
So basicly unless both ships are fully still large blasters cannot hit at all? Now you are the one that sounds idiotic. How about you slap on some tracking mods, maybe a few target painters in meds you know stuff to help you 'track'. And think of it this way, if you cannot hit him he cannot hit you, however most times a Rohk wont slap on tracking mods and doesent have the bonus that blaster ships do. And tracking from large blasters isn't that **** bad as you make it seem, otherwise, a megathron would never be able to kill anything smaller then a bs and never anything that moves at all. And since I know for a fact that I have hit small frigs in my cruiser using med rails at less then 2 km, I think your full of dung.
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