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king jks	Posted - 2006.11.25 23:46:00 - [1] So I was sitting there in quickfit setting up dream ships of the Nyx and Erebus, like I'm sure we've all done at some point. I shared some of my setups with my friends who play the game in IRC and my Nyx setup had drone control units and I believe a cloak in the highs, maybe a faction nos or two, but in any case they told me to drop the drone controls and put in officer smartbombs, I thought "wait, why waste high slots on smartbombs." They told me it was to bomb interdictor bubbles because thats the only thing that can keep titans and moms in place. Now this seems a bit odd to me, because for one, what would a titan/mom be doing without LOTS of support to prevent it dying in situations where it can't jump out/warp out etc. It just seems to me that something like that shouldn't be left up to the ship in question, there's also not a guarantee, because dictor bubbles have a range of 20km and the best officer smartbombs have a range of 9.5km if I remember correctly. Are they right?
Kiyano	Posted - 2006.11.25 23:52:00 - [2] Never underestimate human stupidity, someone lost a Carrier to 3 ceptors before because it had no support, in theory yes they should always have support, Titans should have 50+ really but as i said, never underestimate stupidity. If you never use a ship like this solo and you're careful you shouldn't need those modules, if you have the support. However... in the end when all is said and done, there is nobody you can truely rely on more then yourself. Its up to you what you'd fit.
DrLogan New Age Solutions	Posted - 2006.11.25 23:58:00 - [3] Better to not have to rely on others to pop the bubbles.
king jks	Posted - 2006.11.25 23:59:00 - [4] Edited by: king jks on 25/11/2006 23:59:54 Well in the end I think we compromised on 3 drone units 1 cloak and 2 officer bombs on the Nyx, but I couldn't really think of anything else to put there anyway, so whatever... EDIT: Shut up Logan :/
Zarch AlDain The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.11.26 00:11:00 - [5] Not everyone hides their mothership behind a fleet ;) Zarch AlDain
Bill Shankly	Posted - 2006.11.26 00:49:00 - [6] Quote: yes they should always have support why?
Yukiko Kanezaki	Posted - 2006.11.26 00:55:00 - [7] Originally by: Bill Shankly Quote: yes they should always have support why? Because you don't drive a tank into a city filled with hostiles with out infantry to back you up. Capital ships are not the end all be all of EVE. Carriers probably come close, but if you get a competent gang on you, your doomed unless you have a competent on your side as well.
Orvas Dren Gallente The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.11.26 01:04:00 - [8] I have met more than one capital pilot that would prove you otherwise. Solo is possible and will be even more possible post-patch when even carriers get a tank that is nearly unstoppable. Siege mode or no... Imagine if you will a carrier with 180k armor, triple capital armor reps and nearly 80% resists all around (Archon). My corpmate has done this on SiSi and will be doing it on TQ. BTW, Cap Recharge rigs = triple capital rep fully sustainable with standard gear in the rest of the slots. Add faction or officer cap gear in the mids/lows and your looking at a NOS resistant setup. EVE-Mail me for custom signature work. Price Negotiable
Chronus26 Gallente Dark Blood Contracts	Posted - 2006.11.26 01:29:00 - [9] I'd just fit 1 Officer Smartbomb... not much need in fitting more tbh. ----- Move along, nothing to see here...
digitalwanderer Gallente The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.11.26 02:06:00 - [10] Originally by: Orvas Dren I have met more than one capital pilot that would prove you otherwise. Solo is possible and will be even more possible post-patch when even carriers get a tank that is nearly unstoppable. Siege mode or no... Imagine if you will a carrier with 180k armor, triple capital armor reps and nearly 80% resists all around (Archon). My corpmate has done this on SiSi and will be doing it on TQ. BTW, Cap Recharge rigs = triple capital rep fully sustainable with standard gear in the rest of the slots. Add faction or officer cap gear in the mids/lows and your looking at a NOS resistant setup.

Clone runner	Posted - 2006.11.26 02:30:00 - [11] doesnt make much difference but in kali Quote: Warp Disrupt Probes have changed, their hitpoints have increased to 1000, flight time decreased to 120 seconds (and carries over after jumps), portion size increased to 2 and volume decreased by 50%.
king jks	Posted - 2006.11.26 04:06:00 - [12] Originally by: Orvas Dren Imagine if you will a carrier with 180k armor, triple capital armor reps and nearly 80% resists all around (Archon). My corpmate has done this on SiSi and will be doing it on TQ. BTW, Cap Recharge rigs = triple capital rep fully sustainable with standard gear in the rest of the slots. Add faction or officer cap gear in the mids/lows and your looking at a NOS resistant setup. A bit off topic, but this is what I've been waiting for. My eventual end goal would be a thanatos/nyx(if I'm lucky) and I already have my alt training for a chimera. I was getting tired of seeing all these vids about taking down carriers so easily.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.26 05:09:00 - [13] Originally by: Kiyano Never underestimate human stupidity, someone lost a Carrier to 3 ceptors before because it had no support, in theory yes they should always have support, Titans should have 50+ really but as i said, never underestimate stupidity. Proof please? 3 ceptors would take forever to kill a carrier, if even possible, which is unlikely because a capital rep/booster = uber. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.11.26 05:13:00 - [14] Originally by: Orvas Dren I have met more than one capital pilot that would prove you otherwise. Solo is possible and will be even more possible post-patch when even carriers get a tank that is nearly unstoppable. Siege mode or no... Imagine if you will a carrier with 180k armor, triple capital armor reps and nearly 80% resists all around (Archon). My corpmate has done this on SiSi and will be doing it on TQ. BTW, Cap Recharge rigs = triple capital rep fully sustainable with standard gear in the rest of the slots. Add faction or officer cap gear in the mids/lows and your looking at a NOS resistant setup. NOS reistant =! NOS immunity though. Besides, that Archon still faces the problem of having no DPS if heis fighters all get blown away. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Coasterbrian Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.26 05:18:00 - [15] Edited by: Coasterbrian on 26/11/2006 05:20:25 Carriers will be the new solo pwnmobiles after the patch for those people that can afford them and have an alt with covert ops/recon. Fighters aren't the only option, a carrier has space for literally hundreds of smaller drones. ---------- I say what I mean, but I don't always mean what I say.
Jovius Marginus Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.26 06:18:00 - [16] Originally by: Orvas Dren I have met more than one capital pilot that would prove you otherwise. Solo is possible and will be even more possible post-patch when even carriers get a tank that is nearly unstoppable. Siege mode or no... Imagine if you will a carrier with 180k armor, triple capital armor reps and nearly 80% resists all around (Archon). My corpmate has done this on SiSi and will be doing it on TQ. BTW, Cap Recharge rigs = triple capital rep fully sustainable with standard gear in the rest of the slots. Add faction or officer cap gear in the mids/lows and your looking at a NOS resistant setup. Few nos Domis + a Lach and a Falcon and thats going to be a nice killmail =)
Derrios Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.11.26 09:27:00 - [17] Originally by: Zarch AlDain Not everyone hides their mothership behind a fleet ;) true story... hxxp://axe.griefwatch.net/?p=details&kill=6215 I thought we were gonna get a thanatos kill too. Next thing I'm thinking... "Hey wait a second the Thanatos cant pop 15 fighters." O man my best death yet though. <3 ----------------------------------------------- <3 conspiracy theories. Originally by: Omeega We (aAa) could do this - did this? /me hands the DBP paycheck with the small note - Please bbq AXE
Exogene	Posted - 2006.11.26 12:07:00 - [18] To my knowledge, you cannot kill dictor bubbles, you can only kill MWDs. In any case fitting smartbombs is just a waste of slots.
Bill Shankly	Posted - 2006.11.26 12:59:00 - [19] Originally by: Yukiko Kanezaki Originally by: Bill Shankly Quote: yes they should always have support why? Because you don't drive a tank into a city filled with hostiles with out infantry to back you up. Capital ships are not the end all be all of EVE. Carriers probably come close, but if you get a competent gang on you, your doomed unless you have a competent on your side as well. hmm seems that many people with these pvp beasts are a tad scared toloose them. You dont need support at all in a carrier if you know what you are doing and do it well.
Sir Bart Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.11.26 13:21:00 - [20] Originally by: Bill Shankly You dont need support at all in a carrier if you know what you are doing and do it well. You can have a couple recons tackle you to the point you are helpless, then they call in a buddy in a dread to pop you while you try to explain to them how you knew what you were doing. -Bart

Chronus26 Gallente Dark Blood Contracts	Posted - 2006.11.26 15:02:00 - [21] Originally by: Sir Bart Originally by: Bill Shankly You dont need support at all in a carrier if you know what you are doing and do it well. You can have a couple recons tackle you to the point you are helpless, then they call in a buddy in a dread to pop you while you try to explain to them how you knew what you were doing. -Bart The only recon i can see managing this is a Lachesis, why? Falcom/Rook - Jammers miss once carrier locks and fighters pop it. Curse/Pilgrim - yes lets tracking disrupt a ship with no guns (the NOS hurt though) Rapier/Huggin - Oh noes webbing! My awsome speed! Nerfed! and ZOMG my already massive sig is bigger! god save us! leaves us with Arazu/Lachesis - Carrier with 1 Sensor booster (shadow serp) = atleast 170k lock... lach with 3 damps takes this down to 5k with a massive 5 Min 30s Lock time ... Can you say Gallente ftw? (Stats based on Thanatos with my skills btw) ----- Move along, nothing to see here...
Unfamed II FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.26 16:00:00 - [22] Originally by: Exogene To my knowledge, you cannot kill dictor bubbles, you can only kill MWDs. In any case fitting smartbombs is just a waste of slots. You really have no clue, do you? Seriously, it's not that great being an amarr, is it?
Jovius Marginus Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.26 16:12:00 - [23] Originally by: Chronus26 Originally by: Sir Bart Originally by: Bill Shankly You dont need support at all in a carrier if you know what you are doing and do it well. You can have a couple recons tackle you to the point you are helpless, then they call in a buddy in a dread to pop you while you try to explain to them how you knew what you were doing. -Bart The only recon i can see managing this is a Lachesis, why? Falcom/Rook - Jammers miss once carrier locks and fighters pop it. Curse/Pilgrim - yes lets tracking disrupt a ship with no guns (the NOS hurt though) Rapier/Huggin - Oh noes webbing! My awsome speed! Nerfed! and ZOMG my already massive sig is bigger! god save us! leaves us with Arazu/Lachesis - Carrier with 1 Sensor booster (shadow serp) = atleast 170k lock... lach with 3 damps takes this down to 5k with a massive 5 Min 30s Lock time ... Can you say Gallente ftw? (Stats based on Thanatos with my skills btw) That plus a Falcon means it has to keep trying to relock and will never get a lock at all.
digitalwanderer Gallente The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.11.26 16:14:00 - [24] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Orvas Dren I have met more than one capital pilot that would prove you otherwise. Solo is possible and will be even more possible post-patch when even carriers get a tank that is nearly unstoppable. Siege mode or no... Imagine if you will a carrier with 180k armor, triple capital armor reps and nearly 80% resists all around (Archon). My corpmate has done this on SiSi and will be doing it on TQ. BTW, Cap Recharge rigs = triple capital rep fully sustainable with standard gear in the rest of the slots. Add faction or officer cap gear in the mids/lows and your looking at a NOS resistant setup. NOS reistant =! NOS immunity though. Besides, that Archon still faces the problem of having no DPS if heis fighters all get blown away. You're assuming said pilot would be dumb enough to only carry fighters in the carrier,when in fact said pilot has over 600 drones along for the ride,wich 400 or so are T2 combat ones of all sizes.... 14 T2 heavy drones with really good drone skills,still pack close to 1000 DPS,wich is enough to take down a BS....
Rawthorm Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.11.26 16:35:00 - [25] Originally by: Derrios Originally by: Zarch AlDain Not everyone hides their mothership behind a fleet ;) true story... hxxp://axe.griefwatch.net/?p=details&kill=6215 I thought we were gonna get a thanatos kill too. Next thing I'm thinking... "Hey wait a second the Thanatos cant pop 15 fighters." O man my best death yet though. <3 That was an interesting fight. One of the few groups who had the balls to engage us as I recall.
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2006.11.26 18:51:00 - [26] Edited by: Sinlare on 26/11/2006 18:51:38 Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Kiyano Never underestimate human stupidity, someone lost a Carrier to 3 ceptors before because it had no support, in theory yes they should always have support, Titans should have 50+ really but as i said, never underestimate stupidity. Proof please? 3 ceptors would take forever to kill a carrier, if even possible, which is unlikely because a capital rep/booster = uber. http://www.killboard.net/?p=details&id=78255
The MelonMan Caldari Tactical Enterprise Group LTD The Imperial Order	Posted - 2006.11.26 19:42:00 - [27] the second i saw an establishment post in this i was thinking the nyx gatecamping and the whole uk fight
Sedai Hara	Posted - 2006.11.27 19:58:00 - [28] This might be off-topic, so plz slap me if its to off Some1 said in middle that a carrier doesnt have to fit fighters.. true, very true.. Was out cruising on Sisi with some of my corpmates, then one of them says, "wait! i can go get my carrier adn we can have soem fun" thinking "eyah right.. carrier cant kill so much, only fighters, that i usualy can tank pretty good(dont care about dieing)" He warped to me at about 70km, perfect range for my seiges, he pops out his drones, that happens to be.. 9 BOUNCERS! Should be able to do much so i just kept fireing, i was so wrong. 5 volleys against my shiled, with 3x t2 hards, where 2 was for kinetic (think its the dorns dmg type) and a t2 xlarge booster with amp going, i was down to armor, a few more volleys and i was to structure.. So u dont HAVE to be fighter support, u can atleast defend yourself against smaller taregts real good, and fit a master tank. OFF TOPIC? MY BEHIND YEAH!


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