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Jon Ogden
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Posted - 2003.11.13 23:07:00 -
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Edited by: Jon Ogden on 13/11/2003 23:09:52
I was mining a system when a hostile corp entered the belt that I was mining. As I could not attack him/her, I decided to use my ship to ram his out of position. Is that a "legal" activity as far as CCP and the EULA is concerned?
The person who was rammed filed a harrassment petition and a polaris member (Faolchu) told me that I must stop. I would like some clarification (preferebly by CCP) as to why ramming would not be allowed? If ramming is harrassment, so is an all-out attack... can I file a petition when a PK attacks me?
If CCP can, please advise. Thanks.
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SUNscatcher
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Posted - 2003.11.13 23:13:00 -
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You can leaglely ram the jettisoned can and I've gotten those to move over 50k with a properly timed warp in. 
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Valeria
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Posted - 2003.11.13 23:33:00 -
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LMAO.
EVE is slowly, but surely, becoming Horizons in space...
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Crimsonjade
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Posted - 2003.11.13 23:36:00 -
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Bite your tongue Valeria...
No pain, no palm; no thorns, no throne; no gall, no glory; no cross, no crown.
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piij
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Posted - 2003.11.13 23:37:00 -
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Its tiiiiiime.... The annual Gallentean Container Ram contest.... who can get it furthest away from the beacon....
event team should do this as event :P
- Care to watch moo dance?
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.11.13 23:39:00 -
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Get this - today I was camping a spot in HED-GP with my commander and a couple of guys when, lo and behold, a blast from the past appears in local - RONIN of RUS.
Shortly after RONIN appears in his Apoc! w00t!
I'm locking and locking him while the "Magnetic Field" disturbance clears and, yay, I finally get a lock and warp-jam him.
I then get a stupefied look on my face as he activates his MWD (or two) and rams me over 20km away and safely jumps through the gate.
He would've got through the gate regardless but the way he aimed his ship at me and punted me 20km away was superb.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Cruise
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Posted - 2003.11.13 23:40:00 -
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Good lord, you're kidding! They filed a harrassment petition over simply being rammed?? Is this ALL that went on, or did a smack-talk-a-rama ensue, etc., and then they petition it? I can't see you being told to stop for simply ramming someone.
Considering PvP is part of the game, why would ramming another ship - which technically does no harm to the other ship, just acts as a nuisance - be any less okay? 
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Jon Ogden
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Posted - 2003.11.13 23:40:00 -
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Edited by: Jon Ogden on 13/11/2003 23:49:04
No smack talk. We were in the same belt competing for the ore that was there. He locked me to try to scare me (he was in a Bestower) so I decided to ram him and show him that he wasn't welcome there. Simple as that.
FYI... I just chatted with a GM who told me that ramming is a valid activity as people compete for scarce resources. If I just rammed someone to harrass him, that is one thing. But as a non-lethal attack, to make it dificult for someone to collect a scarce resource (in the name of competition), it is OK.
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Lord Slappy
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Posted - 2003.11.14 00:21:00 -
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typical polaris ****up, they can't do **** right and should be FIRED. Let CCP and the GM's do the work after intensive training. When dumbasses that earn nothing are controlling the game, the game will spiral into a nice brown mass under a cows butt.
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Xander Teg
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Posted - 2003.11.14 00:49:00 -
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hmmm. I think i know the person you are talking about Jon. Did he look like this?
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Aethelgrin
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Posted - 2003.11.14 00:55:00 -
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Ramming should totally be fine. I see no reason to disallow ramming.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2003.11.14 01:47:00 -
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typical polaris ****up, they can't do **** right and should be FIRED.
Better yet, have them work hours on end for free.
Wait...
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Ariell Lucinwind
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Posted - 2003.11.14 02:56:00 -
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Dumb Q -- How do you ram something/one ?
Do you click "Approach" and just go at full speed ?
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GALAGA
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Posted - 2003.11.14 03:50:00 -
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Yes Ariell, that is the correct way and 2 MWD's work nicely if you get a 20kn + running start.
I used to ram ore thieves with my Raven, Scorp, Blackbird, etc... but have since kicked the habit as I see it doesn't deter them that much.
What I really enjoy doing now is keeping an alt or 2 in the same or nearby system that I am mining in.
I have trained them up in missile and cruiser skills.
If I see or hear of a thief, I log out and return with my friendly alt in a Caracal or a Kestral.
You would be surprised what a volley of 7-10 torpedos, or 6-8 cruise missiles will do to deter those pesky thieves.
For some reason they don't want to play with me anymore and I don't usually see their clone again.
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SUNscatcher
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Posted - 2003.11.14 06:38:00 -
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Xander where did you get my baby pic from??
If you can catch me you can have me. |
Terghon
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Posted - 2003.11.14 06:38:00 -
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Ramming like that seems valid. Sure it's harassment, but it's in-game/in-character harassment. If you used some kind of exploitive technique or macro to ensure an overwhelming result then it would be a problem.
But 40k you guys? Sheesh. My friends and I thought we were good getting our cans 15k from the belt (it turned into a hilarious competition... I think we lost about 100k Omber in one of the cans because we beat on it for over 2 hours).
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Jasmyn
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Posted - 2003.11.14 07:39:00 -
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Quote:
Edited by: Jon Ogden on 13/11/2003 23:09:52
I was mining a system when a hostile corp entered the belt that I was mining. As I could not attack him/her, I decided to use my ship to ram his out of position. Is that a "legal" activity as far as CCP and the EULA is concerned?
The person who was rammed filed a harrassment petition and a polaris member (Faolchu) told me that I must stop. I would like some clarification (preferebly by CCP) as to why ramming would not be allowed? If ramming is harrassment, so is an all-out attack... can I file a petition when a PK attacks me?
If CCP can, please advise. Thanks.
i know exactly whats been going on. i just think its rude to ram someone with several MWD when THEY are mining...especially if they ask you to stop. then posting to find out if you might get in trouble for harrasment..hm. just be nice and dont ram people away from what they are doing ( in .9 space thank you)
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Fred0
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Posted - 2003.11.14 07:54:00 -
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OMFG. How low have we sunk. Filing a petition over being bumped. Is there any obstacle in this game that is small enough for people to take in character and rise to the occassion?
This is person (if it's the whole story) must be the essence of what the fluffy bear expression is all about.
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Belzavior
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Posted - 2003.11.14 08:10:00 -
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Is no one else seeing what I'm seeing? Secure a couple cans preferibly 4-8 creating a box (5km wide and tall), then fly 100km and repeat.
Grab some buddies drop a can, and you got soccer in space!!!! We should invent a league =)
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Astaroth
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Posted - 2003.11.14 08:37:00 -
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lol if i know it right the players would end up getting podded by the fans watching the game
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GALAGA
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Posted - 2003.11.14 08:40:00 -
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Hint:
If you move in close to a group of asteroid, they will have a hard time ramming you as they usually bounce off of one of the roids.
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Rickenbacker
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Posted - 2003.11.14 09:04:00 -
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Ramming is OK, but the way the ships currently react like they're made out of balsa wood makes it exceedingly silly. If you ram a BS with your own BS it would probably move slowly a few hundred meters at the most, not 30 km.
And yes, I know that in space it would just keep going (slowly, of course), but it seems like Eve space has friction for some reason.
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BatManolo
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Posted - 2003.11.14 09:29:00 -
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If you ram a BS with your own BS it would probably move slowly a few hundred meters at the most, not 30 km.
It would probably move a bit, but most likely the two BS would be hell bent over and turned to scrapmetal. Especially with MWD's!
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MrMojo
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Posted - 2003.11.14 09:36:00 -
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i got pretty well rammed the other night
still got the hangover and kebab stains...
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McWatt
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Posted - 2003.11.14 11:20:00 -
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lol
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Deadflip2
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Posted - 2003.11.14 12:12:00 -
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this could become a new way of pirating 0.9, bump the afk miners!
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Nirces Y'Tuk
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Posted - 2003.11.14 12:18:00 -
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i ram ore thieves away all the time, and i will ram afk miners away if i want to mine what they are mining. i see this as valid use of the game mechanics, or is someone saying thats its a bug and not a feature that players bouce off each other?
The joke about ramming in eve is its all about speed and not size, a frigate going at 400 m/s can easily ram a bs going at 100m/s
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Blood Hawk
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Posted - 2003.11.14 12:36:00 -
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And yes, I know that in space it would just keep going (slowly, of course), but it seems like Eve space has friction for some reason.
Actually space is not *empty* ... there is no such thing as a COMPLETE vacuum (it just isn't physically possible!  ) and so eventually everything would be slowed down, but yeah.... not as quickly as in the EVE universe 
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Scragg
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Posted - 2003.11.14 14:41:00 -
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Lets see...
Creating lag at spawn points and at gates is ok.
Stealing ore from cans is ok.
When you run into a ship the developers decided to design collision bubbles and went to the trouble of designing their own physics for the effects. I'd have to say it's ok.
Now depending on the circumstances it might be considered harassment. Up to the GM's and Polaris to decide I suppose.
Scragg, Tyrell Corporation
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Nostradamu5
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Posted - 2003.11.14 15:05:00 -
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FYI... I just chatted with a GM who told me that ramming is a valid activity as people compete for scarce resources. If I just rammed someone to harrass him, that is one thing. But as a non-lethal attack, to make it dificult for someone to collect a scarce resource (in the name of competition), it is OK.
In my sector we've had problems with BS strip mining our AB's, well Damn I'm going out and ram the hell out of their drones and their ships with my cruiser.
So if they ask me in local why I rammed them, should I respond with "I really want to kill your a s s but I can't take you and CONCORD out too"
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