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Auldare Soundless Storm	Posted - 2006.11.26 02:22:00 - [1] Haven't been playing much for the past 4 months due to waiting to see what revelations will be like. Just hoping to see if it will pump some new blood into the game.... Ah was going to write a big essay on it all but I'll condense it; Warp to 0km- Totaly destroys my view of the game so cyas all out. ================================================
emepror Gallente The Lookers	Posted - 2006.11.26 02:25:00 - [2] if your leaving can i have your stuff?
Auldare Soundless Storm	Posted - 2006.11.26 02:28:00 - [3] Nope, keeping it all in case in the future they change their mind ================================================
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.26 02:28:00 - [4] Can I have your corpse? ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "Victory is the weakness of the enemy." Corp/Alliance Services
Pham Sirge VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.26 02:30:00 - [5] Hi Auldare, Ive never met you before so... Um bye. If you happen to get over your crying fit, can you send me your stuff?. P.S. Why is it you choose to tell everyone you are quiting? I mean do you think CCP will go "oh no Auldare quit!!! guess we better roll back warp to zero"? lol. , <VTIL> Pham Sirge
Auldare Soundless Storm	Posted - 2006.11.26 02:37:00 - [6] More voicing my opinion on the matter. EVE is a great game there is no other game out there that comes close. I've been an avid anti insta person ever since they started to become a must have. It's just a shame to see CCP bow to the masses over this and not keep to their image of EVE. Not looking to throw my toys out of the cot or anything as such, just voicing my opinion on an upcoming feature and saying goodbye to the guys who do know me. ================================================
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.26 02:40:00 - [7] Originally by: Pham Sirge Hi Auldare, Ive never met you before so... Um bye. If you happen to get over your crying fit, can you send me your stuff?. P.S. Why is it you choose to tell everyone you are quiting? I mean do you think CCP will go "oh no Auldare quit!!! guess we better roll back warp to zero"? lol. , <VTIL> Pham Sirge CCP has plenty of better reasons to kill WTZ than one person quitting over it. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "Victory is the weakness of the enemy." Corp/Alliance Services
Zhaine B e l l u m	Posted - 2006.11.26 02:43:00 - [8] You'll be back mate Like you said nothing comes close. Not that I mind one way or the other, but care to explain how Warp-To-0 destroys the game, in your view at least? - - - - - - - - - - "PERGITE DEGUSTATE FORMOSUM BELLUM" Forward to taste the beautiful war. . .
Pr1ncess Alia	Posted - 2006.11.26 02:48:00 - [9] buh bye o/
Taralesk Inshani Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.26 02:53:00 - [10] Originally by: Auldare I've been an avid anti insta person ever since they started to become a must have. It's just a shame to see CCP bow to the masses over this and not keep to their image of EVE. It's a measure to reduce the horrendous database lag that instas can and do cause. That said, CCP could have just removed instas altogether.. causing ALOT MORE people to quit than if they gave instas to all. We'll see how it pans out in the future. I may not like it, but less lag = win for everyone. . Quote: Oh, yeah, what are you gonna do? Release the dogs? Or the bees? Or the dogs with bees in their mouth and when they bark, they shoot bees at you?
Auldare Soundless Storm	Posted - 2006.11.26 02:57:00 - [11] heh heh k, will do. I'll throw my view on it in bullet point; 1. Aggro timer- all it takes it someone to jump out and log and their ship is safe with instas and warp to 0km this will always happen, there should be a way of maintaining the timer when jumping through a gate and it not reseting. 2. Fast ships v slow ships- There should be a strategic reason for having pilots in fast ships with warp to zero we will still end up with the problem of trying to catch a slow ship who can be only one system ahead. A way they could fix this is making the warp speed multiplier effect a ship's acc a dec in warp also (so many systems are too small to make a fast ship able to take advantage of their warp speed as it is) Thats just a quick overview of it, there is more but it's 3am right now and I can't type the best atm ================================================
Taaketa Frist The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.26 03:06:00 - [12] hmm m'kay. If I remember rightly Ouver stated that they had gone through several different solutions via internal testing and he I quote (can't remember where from) him saying "I have lost faith in other methods." And his only two solutions left were, warp to 0km. Or no instas at all. IE: All celestial objects have a minimum of 15km warp range. Obviously the later didn't get put in but meh I don't see why but hey thats the way the cookie crumbles. -------------- Dang nabit
Nigh7F0x	Posted - 2006.11.26 03:26:00 - [13] Auldare won't ever leave, hence the reason that he won't give up his equipment. If he was really upset about the WTZ then he would willingly hand over his stuff and call it quits. But more than likely he is someone's whinney alt that has nothing better to do than to clutter the forums will false reports of him leaving.
Madcat Adams Mission Runners Anonymous Incorporated	Posted - 2006.11.26 04:14:00 - [14] meh, set up a +30 day skill and keep an eye on the forums. Don't really think this will destroy anything, except perhaps some of the noob ganking in low sec. Otherwise, it's the same as having instas, without the headache of making them. Removing instas entirely however would have a major effect, the removal of safe spots. There are a few reasons to argue for that, such as carriers hanging out there while their fighters zoom around the system. Overall though this would be a bad thing. Also there is still a reason to have a fast ship over a slow one, the warp speed. That inty reach system X faster than the freighter with it's much higher AUPS. Gate campers will just have to invest in a few interdictors and mine the jump in vectors. It's great being Amarr, ain't it? Aimez- "oh ****, this is empire......." Thanks for the loot, and next time you go out to pirate, carry more tech 2 plz =)
Herring Pimpology Pimpology in Mining Player	Posted - 2006.11.26 04:57:00 - [15] The game will be the same as it was before, with the exception of the lazy people who didn't make instas. The lazy factor now have that service provided for them, so they don't have to have 2 gazillion bookmarks lagging up their gameplay. If you base your entire game experience, to the point of wanting to quit, on the fact that your own ability to have a 15km window to gank people with has been removed, then you probably should take some time off anyway. Wishing for better mining ships in a system near you.
Idara Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.26 05:10:00 - [16] Oh noes people will have to chance tactics to catch people! That's never, ever happened before in EVE... --- Go! Go! Go pointless Tier 3s! NERF PAPER!
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.26 05:11:00 - [17] Originally by: Herring The game will be the same as it was before, with the exception of the lazy people who didn't make instas. The lazy factor now have that service provided for them, so they don't have to have 2 gazillion bookmarks lagging up their gameplay. Umm...I'm lazy because I don't use instas? You have it backwards, instas were FOR the lazy players. WTZ is just CCP saying its valid and they no longer care about travel being something to think about. I never used instas (and have never needed to), but I will use WTZ. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "Victory is the weakness of the enemy." Corp/Alliance Services
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.26 05:13:00 - [18] Originally by: Idara Oh noes people will have to chance tactics to catch people! That's never, ever happened before in EVE... I forgive you for only being able to see the limited gate PvP aspect of WTZ's implementation. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "Victory is the weakness of the enemy." Corp/Alliance Services
Fuujin Hadean Drive Yards	Posted - 2006.11.26 05:16:00 - [19] So you're leaving before even seeing how it affects the game? Don't let the door smack you in the ass on the way out! _______________ Sig removed. Please keep sigs to 400x120 pixels, 24000 bytes or less, and related to Eve. -Kaemonn
Idara Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.26 05:17:00 - [20] Originally by: Thor Xian Originally by: Idara Oh noes people will have to chance tactics to catch people! That's never, ever happened before in EVE... I forgive you for only being able to see the limited gate PvP aspect of WTZ's implementation. Maybe I am narrow-minded when it comes to warp-to-zero...but what else outside PvP does this affect? AP is the same as always, and Warp-to-zero means that you have instas already like many thousands of other players for routes you use most often. Also, instas aren't for lazy people, they actually require you to make/buy/copy them, and then stay at your EVE client to use them, unlike AP. --- Go! Go! Go pointless Tier 3s! NERF PAPER!
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.26 05:18:00 - [21] Originally by: Idara Originally by: Thor Xian Originally by: Idara Oh noes people will have to chance tactics to catch people! That's never, ever happened before in EVE... I forgive you for only being able to see the limited gate PvP aspect of WTZ's implementation. Maybe I am narrow-minded when it comes to warp-to-zero...but what else outside PvP does this affect? AP is the same as always, and Warp-to-zero means that you have instas already like many thousands of other players for routes you use most often. Also, instas aren't for lazy people, they actually require you to make/buy/copy them, and then stay at your EVE client to use them, unlike AP. Try to imagine what Eve would be like today if instas had never been invented, and you might understand why I don't want them or WTZ in Eve. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "Victory is the weakness of the enemy." Corp/Alliance Services
Idara Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.26 05:19:00 - [22] Edited by: Idara on 26/11/2006 05:19:48 Filled with pointless stretches of time between the fun? Answer my question instead of evading it with things like that. --- Go! Go! Go pointless Tier 3s! NERF PAPER!
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.26 05:23:00 - [23] Originally by: Idara Edited by: Idara on 26/11/2006 05:19:48 Filled with pointless stretches of time between the fun? Answer my question instead of evading it with things like that. It wasn't an evasion, it was a direct challenge to try to see the game as CCP intended it to be. Not what it is now. The typical player of today seems to think that fun has to be 30+ jumps away every time you login. And even if that is true, it is true because of instas, not despite them. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "Victory is the weakness of the enemy." Corp/Alliance Services
Idara Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.26 05:29:00 - [24] On that logic, everything CCP has done over the years is a violation of their original vision. HP increases? Mark II project? As for instas causing people to assume that fun has to be 30j away, that's bull. Some people like to have a little variety in the game they're paying for. I could stay in one system with my agent and do missions, but I prefer to be able to go across the universe and do some PvP with my corp as well. Instas don't make people go looking for fun elsewhere, they make it bearable. Would you prefer to have no autopilot or route planning like in beta? That was a hoot. --- Go! Go! Go pointless Tier 3s! NERF PAPER!
Cleric JohnPreston	Posted - 2006.11.26 05:30:00 - [25] Omg eve is a better place without idiots like you.. Instas ARE warp to 0 if you didnt know.
Idara Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.26 05:31:00 - [26] Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston Omg eve is a better place without idiots like you.. Instas ARE warp to 0 if you didnt know. What??!?! Since when? PS. Joking there...obviously... --- Go! Go! Go pointless Tier 3s! NERF PAPER!
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.26 05:40:00 - [27] Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston Omg eve is a better place without idiots like you.. Instas ARE warp to 0 if you didnt know. Captain Obvious...is that you?! ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "Victory is the weakness of the enemy." Corp/Alliance Services
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.11.26 05:40:00 - [28] Originally by: Idara On that logic, everything CCP has done over the years is a violation of their original vision. That in many cases is true, how is that a justification for more of it? Quote: HP increases? Mark II project? Irrelevant. Quote: As for instas causing people to assume that fun has to be 30j away, that's bull. You are not fully comprehending what I'm saying. Instas are the reason you even have to go 30j to find 'fun'. Because people have instas, they don't have any reason not to just go as far away as they can with tons of empty and unused space in between. Vast multi region empires being maintained with a mere thousand or so players is entirely possible because of instas. Quote: Some people like to have a little variety in the game they're paying for. How does WTZ promote variety? If anything it retards it. Quote: I could stay in one system with my agent and do missions, but I prefer to be able to go across the universe and do some PvP with my corp as well. So you commute across the galaxy to have 'fun'? Quote: Instas don't make people go looking for fun elsewhere, they make it bearable. Would you prefer to have no autopilot or route planning like in beta? That was a hoot. Your comments are showing your lack of understanding what I'm trying to say. I'm not against the idea of easier or faster travel, I'm against the idea of making distance insignificant. Eve is a big galaxy...and that is supposed to matter. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "Victory is the weakness of the enemy." Corp/Alliance Services
Cleric JohnPreston	Posted - 2006.11.26 05:44:00 - [29] no you tit. captain sarcasm which you obviously didnt get :/
Idara Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.26 05:44:00 - [30] Originally by: Thor Xian Your comments are showing your lack of understanding what I'm trying to say. I'm not against the idea of easier or faster travel, I'm against the idea of making distance insignificant. Eve is a big galaxy...and that is supposed to matter. Well, see, if you simply answered my bloody question when I asked it instead of making vacuous comments... I agree that it'd be great if EVE was made to feel immense, but that isn't the case with the game as it is now. Solar systems are generally generic systems with nothing of note or value or interest in them. Limiting people to play in a constellation with systems that are exactly the same except for difference in the asteroid belt count is retarded. If they took the time to make individual solar systems interesting, then it'd be fine to not have instas as you wouldn't need to travel very far to have a different experience. But again, because systems are generic and insignificant in the game today, warp-to-zero is needed. See what happens when you actually state your reasons for opposing something rather than just being seen to have GWS (Generic Whiner Syndrome)? --- Go! Go! Go pointless Tier 3s! NERF PAPER!

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