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H1de0
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
20
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Posted - 2015.06.29 12:39:16 -
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Rytha Main wrote:I will iterate once and for all.
There were blinding flashes of light and horrific sounds of discharge.
I do not use boosters or any other sort of drugs.
It happened at least twice, and subsequent to those discharges, I was then able to tear through their shields. They did not have a secondary shield, and they were significantly weakened.
If you didn't see it, then you were not looking in the right direction, because it happened.
That is a very intriguing development. If it can be confirmed in any way of course.
Despite the skeptical scientist within me crying to ask about brain reactions to battle fatigue, ecstasy feelings of any sorts known to erupt during such events etc. basically any kind of reaction that can lead to hallucinations (please don't take it personally), for the sake of the argument let's assume that what You saw truly had occurred.
(I wish to omit discussing potential divinity of this event and consider a device of any sorts as it's source)
Have You received reports of PIE, CVA or any other pilots present on the field being able to examine Drifter ships wrecks and/or retrieve any parts (focusing on shield generators, power relays, capacitor batteries etc.)? Researching the nature of the damage taken by those would help us to determine if any uncommon weapon types and/or disruption devices where used.
Decrypting the Sleeper cache..
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bardghost Isu
Casteil Extraction Corporation
5
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Posted - 2015.06.29 12:45:35 -
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H1de0 wrote:Rytha Main wrote:I will iterate once and for all.
There were blinding flashes of light and horrific sounds of discharge.
I do not use boosters or any other sort of drugs.
It happened at least twice, and subsequent to those discharges, I was then able to tear through their shields. They did not have a secondary shield, and they were significantly weakened.
If you didn't see it, then you were not looking in the right direction, because it happened. That is a very intriguing development. If it can be confirmed in any way of course. Despite the skeptical scientist within me crying to ask about brain reactions to battle fatigue, ecstasy feelings of any sorts known to erupt during such events etc. basically any kind of reaction that can lead to hallucinations (please don't take it personally), for the sake of the argument let's assume that what You saw truly had occurred. (I wish to omit discussing potential divinity of this event and consider a device of any sorts as it's source) Have You received reports of PIE, CVA or any other pilots present on the field being able to examine Drifter ships wrecks and/or retrieve any parts (focusing on shield generators, power relays, capacitor batteries etc.)? Researching the nature of the damage taken by those would help us to determine if any uncommon weapon types and/or disruption devices where used.
I agree that we need to find what is responsible for this as it will give us the upper hand in the fights with the drifters |

Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
1788
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Posted - 2015.06.29 13:22:18 -
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Archbishop Abraxas wrote:Avio Yaken wrote: Not everyone there was a Amrrian loyalist...
One day... Some of them still helped.
Akrasjel Lanate
Member of Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Citizen of Solitude
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Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2014
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Posted - 2015.06.29 15:09:33 -
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Now that I am free and able to do so, I would like to extend help to the recovery and medical teams involved in this disaster. We specialize in palliative neurology, but can handle any case. If any medical triage or recovery centre would like to transfer patients to LDR Biomedical and Cybernetic, we are well-suited to dealing with head, brain and spinal trauma, and will take on this effort with the utmost dilligence. We are at your disposal. |

Brandi Wiseman
Den Sorte Loge
75
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Posted - 2015.06.29 16:50:28 -
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bardghost Isu wrote:Brandi Wiseman wrote:Might there be another explanation? The super weapon was originally discharged in the location. Could there have been some residual effect that weakened the drifter ships when they warped to the same location, especially if there may be some link between the technology used to power their own super weapon?
I am not normally a religious person but it would be a great coincidence indeed if the choice of location for the summit itself held the key to destroying drifter forces. The only way we could find that out would be to engage them there again to see if the effects are the same.
I certainly hope another engagement is not considered necessary to test a theory. The loss of life would, at best, be 'counterproductive'.
Surely there are sensor logs from ships that survived the encounter that can be studied; this, in addition, to visual descriptions of events and recordings when compared to time-stamps of activity (I speak in particular of the time stamps relating to the notification that shield systems had been compromised). Unfortunately, my own sensor logs were seemingly completely destroyed along with the wholesale destruction of my ship otherwise I should be glad to pass these to the Amarr Navy for further study.
I still maintain my hypothesis that environmental considerations may have impacted on the perceived vulnerability. I arrived early to the summit and spent some time examining the wrecks from the previous incident. Wrecks of capital ships still dominate the area and may be leaking residual low-level radiation in to the surrounding space. A full sensor study of these wrecks may yield useful and enlightening results, especially compared with energy readings derived from activation of Drifter Ships' primary weapon and recorded by sensor logs during the battle. A full study might consider the range of Drifter Ships apparently impacted by sudden shield loss to the nearest affected wreck to provide further evidence (or lack thereof) of any causal link.
We may have exposed a weakness in Drifter technology, through mere happenstance or through divine intervention; either way evidence needs to be carefully examined to corroborate any theory to determine an effective counter to the Drifter threat.
Fly Caldari!
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bardghost Isu
Casteil Extraction Corporation
13
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Posted - 2015.06.29 16:59:03 -
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Brandi Wiseman wrote:bardghost Isu wrote:Brandi Wiseman wrote:Might there be another explanation? The super weapon was originally discharged in the location. Could there have been some residual effect that weakened the drifter ships when they warped to the same location, especially if there may be some link between the technology used to power their own super weapon?
I am not normally a religious person but it would be a great coincidence indeed if the choice of location for the summit itself held the key to destroying drifter forces. The only way we could find that out would be to engage them there again to see if the effects are the same. I certainly hope another engagement is not considered necessary to test a theory. The loss of life would, at best, be 'counterproductive'. Surely there are sensor logs from ships that survived the encounter that can be studied; this, in addition, to visual descriptions of events and recordings when compared to time-stamps of activity (I speak in particular of the time stamps relating to the notification that shield systems had been compromised). Unfortunately, my own sensor logs were seemingly completely destroyed along with the wholesale destruction of my ship otherwise I should be glad to pass these to the Amarr Navy for further study. I still maintain my hypothesis that environmental considerations may have impacted on the perceived vulnerability. I arrived early to the summit and spent some time examining the wrecks from the previous incident. Wrecks of capital ships still dominate the area and may be leaking residual low-level radiation in to the surrounding space. A full sensor study of these wrecks may yield useful and enlightening results, especially compared with energy readings derived from activation of Drifter Ships' primary weapon and recorded by sensor logs during the battle. A full study might consider the range of Drifter Ships apparently impacted by sudden shield loss to the nearest affected wreck to provide further evidence (or lack thereof) of any causal link. We may have exposed a weakness in Drifter technology, through mere happenstance or through divine intervention; either way evidence needs to be carefully examined to corroborate any theory to determine an effective counter to the Drifter threat.
Yes it would be highly counterproductive to do so. But from early reports it seems very few have witnessed the full event (Light,Sounds And Weakened Drifters) With most just seeing weakend drifters. I also support the theory that it is residual energy from the wrecks. However it could be the way their weapon and shield systems work that it was caused by to many there at once and was their own fault effectively short-circuiting their shields somehow.
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Brandi Wiseman
Den Sorte Loge
75
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Posted - 2015.06.29 17:59:46 -
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bardghost Isu wrote:Yes it would be highly counterproductive to do so. But from early reports it seems very few have witnessed the full event (Light,Sounds And Weakened Drifters) With most just seeing weakend drifters. I also support the theory that it is residual energy from the wrecks. However it could be the way their weapon and shield systems work that it was caused by to many there at once and was their own fault effectively short-circuiting their shields somehow.
I agree entirely. This is why I have advocated the sharing of datalogs. What we need now is analysis and study to test any theory. Sharing of sensor data must be the first activity.
We attended the Mekhios Summit out of a shared concern over the Drifter threat and following a call for unity by Empress Jamyl. It is our duty to share our records as part of that call.
Fly Caldari!
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Archbishop Abraxas
Defensores Fidei
8
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Posted - 2015.07.01 02:56:20 -
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Congratulations to all Amarrian faithful and allied forces who made history by being the first and only (to-date) active fleet who has defeated an entire Drifter Armada.
I have heard that previously, it would take the equivalent of two Archon class carriers to defeat a squad of just 2 drifter battleships. The fact that 100 were slain, shows the Might of our most Holy God and his Empire.
Now we must wait for an Amarr Certified News release (none of that Scope rubbish). |

Malleus Karris
Karris Family
16
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Posted - 2015.07.01 03:04:34 -
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Rytha Main wrote:If you didn't see it, then you were not looking in the right direction, because it happened. My camera drones had a very good view of the battlefield. There were the telltale flares of warp in and warp out points, as well as concentrated fire on many Drifters and various explosions. There were no flashes of light other than this.
To say that some Divine intervention occurred other than the strength of the capsuleers uniting against this unholy threat is wishful thinking.
I am reminded of early reports of Circadian Seekers "vanishing in brilliant light", when it was simply normal warp out flare. In the heat of battle, it is not uncommon for us to perceive things that are perfectly normal but altered in our perception due to stress.
This battle was stressful. I am not saying you did not see what you saw, simply that you are attributing it to something other than what it really is. |

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1323
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Posted - 2015.07.01 09:20:29 -
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Archbishop Abraxas wrote:Congratulations to all Amarrian faithful and allied forces who made history by being the first and only (to-date) active fleet who has defeated an entire Drifter Armada.
I have heard that previously, it would take the equivalent of two Archon class carriers to defeat a squad of just 2 drifter battleships. The fact that 100 were slain, shows the Might of our most Holy God and his Empire.
Now we must wait for an Amarr Certified News release (none of that Scope rubbish).
And I've heard that a single well fit ship can play tag with the Drifter BS at range and destroy them with ease one on one. I seem to recall seeing camera drone footage of such too.
I wonder if this is still the case though since they learn and adapt, be wary of your assumptions of superiority lest they learn and adapt before the next fleet engagement. |
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bardghost Isu
Casteil Extraction Corporation
15
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Posted - 2015.07.01 12:09:58 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Archbishop Abraxas wrote:Congratulations to all Amarrian faithful and allied forces who made history by being the first and only (to-date) active fleet who has defeated an entire Drifter Armada.
I have heard that previously, it would take the equivalent of two Archon class carriers to defeat a squad of just 2 drifter battleships. The fact that 100 were slain, shows the Might of our most Holy God and his Empire.
Now we must wait for an Amarr Certified News release (none of that Scope rubbish). And I've heard that a single well fit ship can play tag with the Drifter BS at range and destroy them with ease one on one. I seem to recall seeing camera drone footage of such too. I wonder if this is still the case though since they learn and adapt, be wary of your assumptions of superiority lest they learn and adapt before the next fleet engagement.
With them learning and adapting, Could that be the real reason CONCORD have taken no action so far so when the time comes they can destroy the majority of drifter forces with ease ? |

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1324
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Posted - 2015.07.01 12:19:17 -
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bardghost Isu wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Archbishop Abraxas wrote:Congratulations to all Amarrian faithful and allied forces who made history by being the first and only (to-date) active fleet who has defeated an entire Drifter Armada.
I have heard that previously, it would take the equivalent of two Archon class carriers to defeat a squad of just 2 drifter battleships. The fact that 100 were slain, shows the Might of our most Holy God and his Empire.
Now we must wait for an Amarr Certified News release (none of that Scope rubbish). And I've heard that a single well fit ship can play tag with the Drifter BS at range and destroy them with ease one on one. I seem to recall seeing camera drone footage of such too. I wonder if this is still the case though since they learn and adapt, be wary of your assumptions of superiority lest they learn and adapt before the next fleet engagement. With them learning and adapting, Could that be the real reason CONCORD have taken no action so far so when the time comes they can destroy the majority of drifter forces with ease ?
I certainly wouldn't put it past them to use us as self funding guinea pigs who act first and think later. |

bardghost Isu
Casteil Extraction Corporation
15
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Posted - 2015.07.01 12:20:40 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:bardghost Isu wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Archbishop Abraxas wrote:Congratulations to all Amarrian faithful and allied forces who made history by being the first and only (to-date) active fleet who has defeated an entire Drifter Armada.
I have heard that previously, it would take the equivalent of two Archon class carriers to defeat a squad of just 2 drifter battleships. The fact that 100 were slain, shows the Might of our most Holy God and his Empire.
Now we must wait for an Amarr Certified News release (none of that Scope rubbish). And I've heard that a single well fit ship can play tag with the Drifter BS at range and destroy them with ease one on one. I seem to recall seeing camera drone footage of such too. I wonder if this is still the case though since they learn and adapt, be wary of your assumptions of superiority lest they learn and adapt before the next fleet engagement. With them learning and adapting, Could that be the real reason CONCORD have taken no action so far so when the time comes they can destroy the majority of drifter forces with ease ? I certainly wouldn't put it past them to use us as self funding guinea pigs who act first and think later.
Agreed |

Vaari
Imperial Pharmacy Silent Infinity
673
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Posted - 2015.07.01 14:14:02 -
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PIRAT corporation should be declared enemy of mankind beccause they openly sided to the drifters. |

Brandi Wiseman
Den Sorte Loge
83
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Posted - 2015.07.01 15:31:24 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Archbishop Abraxas wrote:Congratulations to all Amarrian faithful and allied forces who made history by being the first and only (to-date) active fleet who has defeated an entire Drifter Armada.
I have heard that previously, it would take the equivalent of two Archon class carriers to defeat a squad of just 2 drifter battleships. The fact that 100 were slain, shows the Might of our most Holy God and his Empire.
Now we must wait for an Amarr Certified News release (none of that Scope rubbish). And I've heard that a single well fit ship can play tag with the Drifter BS at range and destroy them with ease one on one. I seem to recall seeing camera drone footage of such too. I wonder if this is still the case though since they learn and adapt, be wary of your assumptions of superiority lest they learn and adapt before the next fleet engagement.
Drifters were once susceptible to ECM and sniping tactics but they have as you surmised adapted and now fit an ECCM fit which boosts their sensor strength to unjammable proportions. I also understand that their super weapon can now fire at targets up to 500km away. Those scans were to detect our capabilities and respond accordingly.
Fly Caldari!
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1325
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Posted - 2015.07.01 15:38:31 -
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Brandi Wiseman wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Archbishop Abraxas wrote:Congratulations to all Amarrian faithful and allied forces who made history by being the first and only (to-date) active fleet who has defeated an entire Drifter Armada.
I have heard that previously, it would take the equivalent of two Archon class carriers to defeat a squad of just 2 drifter battleships. The fact that 100 were slain, shows the Might of our most Holy God and his Empire.
Now we must wait for an Amarr Certified News release (none of that Scope rubbish). And I've heard that a single well fit ship can play tag with the Drifter BS at range and destroy them with ease one on one. I seem to recall seeing camera drone footage of such too. I wonder if this is still the case though since they learn and adapt, be wary of your assumptions of superiority lest they learn and adapt before the next fleet engagement. Drifters were once susceptible to ECM and sniping tactics but they have as you surmised adapted and now fit an ECCM fit which boosts their sensor strength to unjammable proportions. I also understand that their super weapon can now fire at targets up to 500km away. Those scans were to detect our capabilities and respond accordingly.
A particularly disturbing thought is that they may have sent that fleet in (100 seems an awfully even number) just to test the response and performance whilst learning new tactics. People are assuming this was a huge fleet and a great success. What if this is simply one if the Vidette ( or whichever it was) scout groups? |

bardghost Isu
Casteil Extraction Corporation
15
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Posted - 2015.07.01 16:27:19 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Brandi Wiseman wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Archbishop Abraxas wrote:Congratulations to all Amarrian faithful and allied forces who made history by being the first and only (to-date) active fleet who has defeated an entire Drifter Armada.
I have heard that previously, it would take the equivalent of two Archon class carriers to defeat a squad of just 2 drifter battleships. The fact that 100 were slain, shows the Might of our most Holy God and his Empire.
Now we must wait for an Amarr Certified News release (none of that Scope rubbish). And I've heard that a single well fit ship can play tag with the Drifter BS at range and destroy them with ease one on one. I seem to recall seeing camera drone footage of such too. I wonder if this is still the case though since they learn and adapt, be wary of your assumptions of superiority lest they learn and adapt before the next fleet engagement. Drifters were once susceptible to ECM and sniping tactics but they have as you surmised adapted and now fit an ECCM fit which boosts their sensor strength to unjammable proportions. I also understand that their super weapon can now fire at targets up to 500km away. Those scans were to detect our capabilities and respond accordingly. A particularly disturbing thought is that they may have sent that fleet in (100 seems an awfully even number) just to test the response and performance whilst learning new tactics. People are assuming this was a huge fleet and a great success. What if this is simply one if the Vidette ( or whichever it was) scout groups?
If so then even running can't save us.
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1326
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Posted - 2015.07.01 19:59:10 -
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Apparently they are blocking gates via entosis now too. People had better get used to scanning down wormholes for escape routes.
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bardghost Isu
Casteil Extraction Corporation
15
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Posted - 2015.07.01 20:28:38 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Apparently they are blocking gates via entosis now too. People had better get used to scanning down wormholes for escape routes.
Wait when did this start happening ? |

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
1326
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Posted - 2015.07.01 20:32:10 -
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bardghost Isu wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Apparently they are blocking gates via entosis now too. People had better get used to scanning down wormholes for escape routes.
Wait when did this start happening ?
Check the Barira traffic control thread. I had my suspicions after the first report and they have been confirmed. |
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bardghost Isu
Casteil Extraction Corporation
15
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Posted - 2015.07.01 20:47:15 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:bardghost Isu wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Apparently they are blocking gates via entosis now too. People had better get used to scanning down wormholes for escape routes.
Wait when did this start happening ? Check the Barira traffic control thread. I had my suspicions after the first report and they have been confirmed.
Can you link me the thread can't seem to find it.
Don't worry found it |

bardghost Isu
Casteil Extraction Corporation
15
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Posted - 2015.07.01 20:57:54 -
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Seems more coincidental timings to me there have been problems with the nodes the last few days and it just came back up at same time they warped off. I'd expect to see more posts about it happenning if it were the case, Although do keep your eye's out incase it's not coincidence. |

Vailen Sere
The Oasis Group TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
3
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Posted - 2015.08.10 00:08:47 -
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"To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. " |
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